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On April 05 2012 22:15 Bluelightz wrote:
The usage of my power *gasp* I can only say to use or not to use.
For tonight just for everyone im flipping a coin if im going to use my power or not.
Jesus christ.
I say we don't lynch Bluelightz because what he is doing right now cannot be faked so I doubt he is scum. The only thing you can conclude from his behavior is that he doesn't read the thread, he doesn't care about proving his own innocence, he doesn't care about town winning, and he doesn't want to play this game. Doesn't make him scum though. He has probably just been busy or something.
You guys should kill Mr. Wiggles.
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Hey Mr. Wiggles why are you ignoring me?
We should really just kill Mr. Wiggles. No matter if there are scum or town in the Cephiro/syllogism/risk.nuke trio then it was a pretty poor move by scum to shoot Sbrubbles. It really makes more sense for town to have shot him somehow but it's still weird that noone claimed. I don't know why syllogism hasn't talked about his item yet.
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On April 06 2012 01:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 01:52 prplhz wrote:
Hey Mr. Wiggles why are you ignoring me?
We should really just kill Mr. Wiggles. No matter if there are scum or town in the Cephiro/syllogism/risk.nuke trio then it was a pretty poor move by scum to shoot Sbrubbles. It really makes more sense for town to have shot him somehow but it's still weird that noone claimed. I don't know why syllogism hasn't talked about his item yet. Ignoring you about what? Calling me scum? Actually give me your reason for thinking so, otherwise I'll ignore it because it means absolutely nothing to me.
I kind of asked you a question.
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syllogism, Bluelightz, Mr. Wiggles, Mattchew
in that order
the lynch/pop is town's primary weapon against scum and we're done wasting them on stupid plans that we have seen are vulnerable to scum interference
just push/pull that list
we pull as many of them as we can off the bottom edge and put as many of them as we can 3 places into the red zone, maybe over the top edge if you guys want to but i don't think that they can help it if they're 3 places into the red zone.
did you notice that town didn't manage to get anybody killed the first two days?
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We are done with crazy town plans. We use our PoPs in the most simple way as possible, scum that are close to the red zone are pushed and scum who are close to the bottom edge are pulled.
VisceraEyes was pushed into the fire by anonymous scum PoP power so the scum we push should be pushed to positon 18 so they can't be anonymously bumped out again. The item isn't very useful for scum (unless it's the teleportation, but that's unlikely) and if we push several scum into the red zone, they are likely to just push each other to the item anyway. We shouldn't be afraid of scum getting the item at all, it's a lot more important that we ensure that they die.
No one pushes syllogism because Mattchew can pretty easily throw him into the fire from the position that they're in right now. Mattchew: Do your thing.
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On April 07 2012 19:26 risk.nuke wrote:
Feel free to discuss ideas how or if I should do something with my power today?
I check 2 toys 1 slot above me, the toy next to me and toys 1 slot below me so a maximum of 5 toys.
illustration for those who still haven't gotten it. If I would check the red slots.
10.[Tobon][_________]
9.[Dirkzor][Mr.Zentor]
8.[Mr.Wiggles][risk.nuke]
7.[Acrofales][Nemesis]
6.[Cephiro][Bill Murray]
A condition is there needs to be atleast 2 toys in the red zone or it will malfunction so I can't be used as a dt to check a single person.
I don't think you should check while Mr. Wiggles is in there because I think we're lynching him today anyway.
How about I pull Mr. Wiggles and then you push one of Dirkzor/MrZentor and pull one of Acrofales/Nemesis and then you check the remaining two? Either you confirm 2 townies or you give us at least 50% chance to find scum in them.
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Okay we pull MrZentor off the board. If you don't know why then read his scum filter and then read town filter.
Day1 he spent arguing so much about the Palmar-item plan that he forgot to even try to scum hunt and he didn't vote at all. Day2 he supported the Cephiro-item plan. His only attempt at scum hunting has been a half arsed case against Tobon while he accused people left and right in his town filter. His analysis doesn't look like town who found scum, but more like scum who doesn't want to take any responsibility. The case is safe as Tobon has already been pushed/tunneled for ages by Nemesis and a little by a couple of other people (including me). Before the Tobon case he says that syllogism looks scummiest of the risk.nuke check-trio, but instead he tries to push Tobon even though it doesn't look like he's really hooked on Tobon being scum with the conclusion "these things make me suspect that Tobon is scum".
While the first part of this post looks like he cares about town, he never follows up on it. There's no frustration that day2 sucked because we didn't listen to his advice or any attempts at organizing town.
Also, wherebugsgo thought he was scum and wherebugsgo is a good kid.
##Pull MrZentor
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On April 07 2012 21:48 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 20:23 prplhz wrote:On April 07 2012 19:26 risk.nuke wrote:
Feel free to discuss ideas how or if I should do something with my power today?
I check 2 toys 1 slot above me, the toy next to me and toys 1 slot below me so a maximum of 5 toys.
illustration for those who still haven't gotten it. If I would check the red slots.
10.[Tobon][_________]
9.[Dirkzor][Mr.Zentor]
8.[Mr.Wiggles][risk.nuke]
7.[Acrofales][Nemesis]
6.[Cephiro][Bill Murray]
A condition is there needs to be atleast 2 toys in the red zone or it will malfunction so I can't be used as a dt to check a single person. I don't think you should check while Mr. Wiggles is in there because I think we're lynching him today anyway. How about I pull Mr. Wiggles and then you push one of Dirkzor/MrZentor and pull one of Acrofales/Nemesis and then you check the remaining two? Either you confirm 2 townies or you give us at least 50% chance to find scum in them. NO! Stop with the wating of PoP's. Don't use your power we have enough people we have to kill as it is. We only really have 5 PoPs to use. So what we need to do is kill 2 people and make them stay dead this time. Lets say we just push syllo all the way to dead. Thats 11 pushes which means we need scum to bus him or mattchew uses his throw. Its fine to use all our pushes just as long as he dies. Then we can talk about who the 2nd person to die is (wiggles?) and pull him of the end.
How would you rather we use risk.nuke's power? Do you really think that scum are going to out themselves for syllogism?
You seem to be overreacting a bit to the prospects of potentially getting pinned.
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@Mattchew: Do you throw people 2-4 positions relative to your own position or relative to their position?
@Dirkzor I didn't remember that he lost his PoP when he used his check, but it's still worth it by far. If we kill MrZentor and Mr. Wiggles then the price for checking 2 flaky people is 3 PoPs while the price of checking 3 flaky people is 2 PoPs, totally worth it. We don't have to use the information today, but it's still great to have tomorrow.
Maybe this MrZentor pull was a little premature but I'm quite confident that he's scum and I'm pretty determined to see this through. I really want to spearhead a scum lynch because then maybe Cephiro will get off my back. It's not a problem for me that he's on my back because he's never going to lynch me but I think it's a distraction for town.
So tell me, what do you think about MrZentor?
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Scummy. We can lynch him too but the most I have on him is that he's posting carefully, he's not very upset about the state of this game, and then both VisceraEyes and Palmar didn't like him and those guys rock. If nobody wants to lynch MrZentor then Mr. Wiggles it the best choice. (syllogism is still #1, but that's a given)
I'm not trying to force a mislynch here. If your only concern about MrZentor is that I'm scum and I'm trying to force a mislynch then you should say so.
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On April 07 2012 23:00 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 21:49 prplhz wrote:Okay we pull MrZentor off the board. If you don't know why then read his scum filter and then read town filter. Day1 he spent arguing so much about the Palmar-item plan that he forgot to even try to scum hunt and he didn't vote at all. Day2 he supported the Cephiro-item plan. His only attempt at scum hunting has been a half arsed case against Tobon while he accused people left and right in his town filter. His analysis doesn't look like town who found scum, but more like scum who doesn't want to take any responsibility. The case is safe as Tobon has already been pushed/tunneled for ages by Nemesis and a little by a couple of other people (including me). Before the Tobon case he says that syllogism looks scummiest of the risk.nuke check-trio, but instead he tries to push Tobon even though it doesn't look like he's really hooked on Tobon being scum with the conclusion "these things make me suspect that Tobon is scum". While the first part of this post looks like he cares about town, he never follows up on it. There's no frustration that day2 sucked because we didn't listen to his advice or any attempts at organizing town. Also, wherebugsgo thought he was scum and wherebugsgo is a good kid. ##Pull MrZentor I hate being misinterpreted. I REALLY hate being misinterpreted. 1Show nested quote +Day1 he spent arguing so much about the Palmar-item plan that he forgot to even try to scum hunt and he didn't vote at all. I spent the first half of day one trying to explain why the Palmar item-plan was a horrible plan. You can't do much to hunt scum on the first day 2, besides tunneling, which I hate, so I had planned on scum hunting during the second half of the day. I also was planning on voting, but irl things came up, as I have said countless times. 3Show nested quote +Day2 he supported the Cephiro-item plan. His only attempt at scum hunting has been a half arsed case against Tobon while he accused people left and right in his town filter. I supported the Cephiro-item plan, because it would give us an item and kill a scum. Cephiro also seemed to think he wouldn't be affected by the nullify ability. When I made my first post, Tobon seemed really scummy, so I promised to make a case on him. Later on he seemed less scummy, but I felt compelled to make the case because I said I would 4. I have two people who I think are scum, besides syllogism. I just like watching the people without telling them, so they make mistakes, which makes it easier to prove that they're scum 5. Also, which town filter are you using? I purposely acted like scum as town in one of my games 6Show nested quote +Before the Tobon case he says that syllogism looks scummiest of the risk.nuke check-trio, but instead he tries to push Tobon even though it doesn't look like he's really hooked on Tobon being scum with the conclusion "these things make me suspect that Tobon is scum". I thought it was pretty obvious Syllogism was by far the scummiest player; I just thought it would be good to have somebody else to kill after syllogism. 7Show nested quote +While the first part of this post looks like he cares about town, he never follows up on it. There's no frustration that day2 sucked because we didn't listen to his advice or any attempts at organizing town. I let day two go, because it wasn't really town's fault that there was chaos(darkness), unlike day one, when town was just retarded. I do expect much better organization today. <3 WBG It really seems quite rash to pull me on the first page of day three, before you even let me respond. Wouldn't it have been better to wait until the second half of today before pulling anybody, so you can get more information on people and pull actual scum? <insert disappoint face here >
1: What did I misinterpret?
2: Your town filter disagrees with this. You are trying to be active and help town in that.
3: And I'm in no way saying that you're lying about that and that makes you scum. Fact is that you weren't here and that's what I have to relate to. It is more likely that scum don't vote/PoP than it is that town don't vote/PoP (because scum mostly don't care as long as we're not lynching any of them and they have team mates to see to any unforeseen circumstances) so the fact that you didn't bother to be around makes you more scummy.
4: This is pretty good. You are writing a case on somebody, not because you felt that they were scummy but because you had promised town a case on that person. That's quite scummy.
5: But you didn't do anything. You're saying that you like to sit and watch but this is day3 and you only ever attacked Tobon and that was pretty half arsed.
6: I posted a link to a filter. You can't act scum as town, because you're not scum as town. You can't dismiss my case as an invalid meta argument just because I refer a little to a filter. Also, you did what?
7: So what is it, did you make the case on Tobon because you wanted another lynch after syllogism or because you thought Tobon was more scummy than syllogism?
I'd love to hear what you found out while watching but you probably found out that you weren't really being attacked so there was no reason to post in the thread.
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On April 07 2012 23:08 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 19:19 prplhz wrote:
syllogism, Bluelightz, Mr. Wiggles, Mattchew
in that order
the lynch/pop is town's primary weapon against scum and we're done wasting them on stupid plans that we have seen are vulnerable to scum interference
just push/pull that list
we pull as many of them as we can off the bottom edge and put as many of them as we can 3 places into the red zone, maybe over the top edge if you guys want to but i don't think that they can help it if they're 3 places into the red zone.
did you notice that town didn't manage to get anybody killed the first two days? Hey prplhz, mind explaining why you just hastily pulled MrZentor when last thing yesterday you were advocating 4 other people as scum and also the prudent use of pops? WTF?! Typing is a pain from my ipad in a cafe... so not much else. MrZentor is not high on my priority list. That still consists of Syllo and Bluelightz, who I feel we should kill today. I don't much like the look of cascades, BillMurray or Mattchew's filter either. Although apparently BM plays this way normally? MrZentor looks more like bored and uninterested town than scum... useless, but a real waste of using pops on him. If Mattchew throws Syllo, we can start pushing someone else (bluelightz), otherwise just push syllo to the fire and be done with him.
Mattchew is going to throw syllogism or he's going to get lynched. I've been really flaky on Bluelightz because of a lot of reasons. At first I thought he was just trolling so I defended him. Then I saw that he used his power and I thought that was so dumb that it could only be scum. Then I thought that scum couldn't fake that kind of dumb and that he probably wasn't scum. Then I saw him join another game (Bastard Mafia) which made me think that he was probably happy with his performance in this game and I thought only scum could be happy with a performance like this. Then today came along and I saw that he didn't use his power again, something I think scum would have done and I don't think he could have faked another charge on his power if he didn't have it, so he's back on town. I'm really confused about Bluelightz but right now he's not in my top3 and I think town can do better today.
Mr. Wiggles is scummy (as I said) but I find it harder to actually push him. Maybe my push was a little premature as I already said and I'm okay with you guys lynching Mr. Wiggles if you agree to it and I think it's a really good idea to agree to a lynch and then just push him over the edge without voting for anybody else. I hope you can get 6 guys to agree on it.
About Mattchew, I'm waiting to see if his throw is an anonymous power. If it is, then he's definitely town. If it isn't, then we can discuss it, he didn't really do much so far but he would still not be high on my scum list. He looks much more like a bored townie who is putting in minimal effort than MrZentor does. Bored townies who put in minimal effort don't make huge cases just because they promised to, they rely on being town to confirm themselves.
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As in, I'm strongly advocating a MrZentor lynch but Mr. Wiggles very scummy too. A problem with pushing Mr. Wiggles for me is that it's more of a gut read and relying on dead townies (VisceraEyes and Palmar didn't look like they liked him and those guys rock) and not so much of a concrete case as I believe I have on MrZentor.
If you don't like MrZentor then Mr. Wiggles is clearly the alternative. You all want to discuss this so discuss, I'll be around for a while.
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On April 07 2012 23:45 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 23:23 prplhz wrote:On April 07 2012 23:00 MrZentor wrote:On April 07 2012 21:49 prplhz wrote:Okay we pull MrZentor off the board. If you don't know why then read his scum filter and then read town filter. Day1 he spent arguing so much about the Palmar-item plan that he forgot to even try to scum hunt and he didn't vote at all. Day2 he supported the Cephiro-item plan. His only attempt at scum hunting has been a half arsed case against Tobon while he accused people left and right in his town filter. His analysis doesn't look like town who found scum, but more like scum who doesn't want to take any responsibility. The case is safe as Tobon has already been pushed/tunneled for ages by Nemesis and a little by a couple of other people (including me). Before the Tobon case he says that syllogism looks scummiest of the risk.nuke check-trio, but instead he tries to push Tobon even though it doesn't look like he's really hooked on Tobon being scum with the conclusion "these things make me suspect that Tobon is scum". While the first part of this post looks like he cares about town, he never follows up on it. There's no frustration that day2 sucked because we didn't listen to his advice or any attempts at organizing town. Also, wherebugsgo thought he was scum and wherebugsgo is a good kid. ##Pull MrZentor I hate being misinterpreted. I REALLY hate being misinterpreted. 1Day1 he spent arguing so much about the Palmar-item plan that he forgot to even try to scum hunt and he didn't vote at all. I spent the first half of day one trying to explain why the Palmar item-plan was a horrible plan. You can't do much to hunt scum on the first day 2, besides tunneling, which I hate, so I had planned on scum hunting during the second half of the day. I also was planning on voting, but irl things came up, as I have said countless times. 3Day2 he supported the Cephiro-item plan. His only attempt at scum hunting has been a half arsed case against Tobon while he accused people left and right in his town filter. I supported the Cephiro-item plan, because it would give us an item and kill a scum. Cephiro also seemed to think he wouldn't be affected by the nullify ability. When I made my first post, Tobon seemed really scummy, so I promised to make a case on him. Later on he seemed less scummy, but I felt compelled to make the case because I said I would 4. I have two people who I think are scum, besides syllogism. I just like watching the people without telling them, so they make mistakes, which makes it easier to prove that they're scum 5. Also, which town filter are you using? I purposely acted like scum as town in one of my games 6Before the Tobon case he says that syllogism looks scummiest of the risk.nuke check-trio, but instead he tries to push Tobon even though it doesn't look like he's really hooked on Tobon being scum with the conclusion "these things make me suspect that Tobon is scum". I thought it was pretty obvious Syllogism was by far the scummiest player; I just thought it would be good to have somebody else to kill after syllogism. 7While the first part of this post looks like he cares about town, he never follows up on it. There's no frustration that day2 sucked because we didn't listen to his advice or any attempts at organizing town. I let day two go, because it wasn't really town's fault that there was chaos(darkness), unlike day one, when town was just retarded. I do expect much better organization today. Also, wherebugsgo thought he was scum and wherebugsgo is a good kid. <3 WBG ##Pull MrZentor It really seems quite rash to pull me on the first page of day three, before you even let me respond. Wouldn't it have been better to wait until the second half of today before pulling anybody, so you can get more information on people and pull actual scum? <insert disappoint face here > 1: What did I misinterpret? 2: Your town filter disagrees with this. You are trying to be active and help town in that. 3: And I'm in no way saying that you're lying about that and that makes you scum. Fact is that you weren't here and that's what I have to relate to. It is more likely that scum don't vote/PoP than it is that town don't vote/PoP (because scum mostly don't care as long as we're not lynching any of them and they have team mates to see to any unforeseen circumstances) so the fact that you didn't bother to be around makes you more scummy. 4: This is pretty good. You are writing a case on somebody, not because you felt that they were scummy but because you had promised town a case on that person. That's quite scummy. 5: But you didn't do anything. You're saying that you like to sit and watch but this is day3 and you only ever attacked Tobon and that was pretty half arsed. 6: I posted a link to a filter. You can't act scum as town, because you're not scum as town. You can't dismiss my case as an invalid meta argument just because I refer a little to a filter. Also, you did what? 7: So what is it, did you make the case on Tobon because you wanted another lynch after syllogism or because you thought Tobon was more scummy than syllogism? I'd love to hear what you found out while watching but you probably found out that you weren't really being attacked so there was no reason to post in the thread. 1. You misinterpreted my actions as being scum actions. 2. The only reason I could hunt scum first day in that scenario is because Acrofales overreacted to Matthew tunneling him. We didn't have somebody overreact to a vote on the first day of this game. 3. It wasn't that I didn't "bother to be around." I had an emergency event. Also, I think scum would be more likely to vote than a non scum in that scenario. Since most people are voting and it doesn't matter who you kill, why shouldn't you act like you think one of them is scum and vote for them? Not PoPing in this game is a good way to get noticed, and mafia don't want to get noticed. 4. I did think he seemed scummy to some extent.(around 65%) It's just that I didn't think he was as scummy as I thought he was when I first posted. 5. So you're saying that I didn't attack Syllogism? 6. First, let me give you the definition of act I'm using, as you seem to not understand: to pretend; feign: Act interested even if you're bored. As town, I pretended to be mafia in that game, so if you're saying I'm not acting like that, you're saying I'm not acting like scum.(It seemed like a good idea at the time to act like scum.) In one of my last posts in that game, I prove that I was purposely pretending to be scum. 7. I don't think it's possible for anybody to look scummier than Syllogism. I thought it would be to have another lynch after Syllogism.
So Mattchew is clearly town.
1: No I didn't. They're scummy.
2: So nothing scummy happened the first day?
3: Sorry for saying that, what I meant was that when other stuff happens, townies often feel a lot more responsible to the other townies than scum do (such as virtu in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX), it's just a general trend. It sucks if you really had an emergency and couldn't be around but I can only relate to what I see in the thread.
4: Okay. This is still your only contribution.
5: I'm saying that it was nothing compared to how you attacked Tobon.
6: I was just baffled that you acted scum as town. Again, you can't just dismiss me as only arguing with meta.
7: Okay I should think this over. Don't really know if it makes sense for scum not to just push syllogism at that point.
You still didn't find out anything while you were watching us.
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On April 08 2012 00:01 Nemesis wrote:
Ok, today, we definitely need to lynch syllogism, bluelightz, and mrwiggles.
What do you guys think about pushing syllogism, pushing bluelightz and pulling mrwiggles?
@prp mrzentor's filter doesn't look too good, but it's still a lot better than some of the other players like bluelightz and mrwiggles. I don't think he should be a priority today.
It's just not that simple. Why would scum act like Bluelightz? They're more likely to get lynched that way. Scum likes to do nothing if they can and that's what MrZentor looks like he's been doing. Now he's saying that he was just sitting and watching and he doesn't like to interfere, which is valid enough, but then I'm asking him why he didn't find anything. We're at day3 and all we have is a half arsed case on Tobon.
He looks like he doesn't want to get accused for anything which is how I think scum look. Bluelightz looks like he doesn't give a shit about being accused of being an asshole but it's hard to go from that and to "he's scum".
Do you think it's likely that Bluelightz faked a second charge on his power and then didn't use it today if he was scum?
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EBWOP: Do you think that Bluelightz faked a second charge on his power or that he forgot to use it today? Because those are the only two options if he is scum.
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On April 08 2012 00:35 Dirkzor wrote:
I don't like you talking in extremes... Just because Mattchew threw syllo doesn't make him town. Anyone with just a little brain function will bus syllo now.
For now just stop pushing/pulling syllo. If anyone pushing him to the item they are scum and will be killed.
Now we need to agree to kill zentor or Wiggles by pulling them of the belt. I don't really care since they are both scum we just need to agree.
I'm not saying that he's town because he threw syllogism, that just means that he isn't necessarily scum. I'm saying that he's town because he claimed an anonymous power that scum might as well just have hidden, and he even claimed it in an attempt to save Palmar. Why would scum nullify Palmar in the red zone, and then claim an anonymous power just to attempt to save him?
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Hey I've kinda randomly decided to claim because I don't think it's a good thing that people are afraid that I'm scum right now.
Snarfs and I are town masons, we are mod confirmed to each other. Yes, mod confirmed, that was in our role PM so we are mod confirmed. Sorry for the absoluteness of this but that's just how it is.
My breadcrumb was when I called Snarfs "mod confirmed townie" in the beginning of this game (not very subtle but I was feeling a bit lazy and I didn't expect that pesky wherebugsgo to go all crazy).
Snarfs breadcrumb was when he wrote "prplhz is town" in capital letters in this post.
He'll be in here to confirm it some time but you don't really have to wait for that to happen for us to be confirmed town.
I'm going out and I won't be back until tomorrow. People need to talk about whether you pull MrZentor or Mr. Wiggles first, and if you are going to leave syllogism at 18 and then push somebody else or if you're pushing him over the edge. I say, leave him and push somebody else. You also need to talk about who you want to push.
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Hey guys the lynch is in like 12 hours and we have tons of stuff to do. There are at least 6 people who have said that Mr. Wiggles is scummy so start pulling him off the board, and then follow up with MrZentor.
I really doubt we're going to reach consensus on another push lynch (since people tend to favor Mattchew who looks pretty town to me) so maybe we should just push syllogism off the edge.
We don't want another no lynch today, please.
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I don't oppose risk.nuke's plan at all. We will never decide on pushing another play (other than syllogism) so using 5 pushes on risk.nuke and have him check into that bunch is a decent plan.
##Push risk.nuke
Doesn't matter if scum use nullify because risk.nuke will never be in danger of anything. This plan is decent and it's going to help town a lot.
People need to start using PoPs (and for something useful).
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