|
Anyway...
If anyone is interested in lynching scum, perhaps I could interest you in a hot juicy Cyber_Cheese.
On March 27 2012 07:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/P7KtZ.jpg) Alright boys, lets do this. Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
ATTENTION SCUM! IT WILL BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT ME ON THE BACK FOOT IMMEDIATELY! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO HIDE I WILL FIND YOU! Something about this seems suss. Compensating for some sort of guilt perhaps?
The important part of this post is the flag. At first I thought that Cyber_Cheese was idiotically claiming his nationality. But after rereading his play in L and seeing his posting so far, I'm finding this less and less likely. If C_C were town, I feel like he wouldn't have included any kind of clue that would hint at giving scum information, as most of the first posts by other players so far have done. It just makes more sense to try and keep scum in the dark.
On March 27 2012 07:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I noticed that you didn't give an opinion one way or the other C_C, is there a reason you don't want to commit to a stance? As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass. Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play. However, if it's a stance you want: In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner. If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers.
Taking this into account, this post looks terrible, and here's why: in the initial post, he had made an underhanded accusation of me trying to hide some sort of underlying guilt by a show of bravado or something, and when I called him out on it rather than continue that line of thinking any further he responds as he should have in the first place and comments on the content in my post.
Which begs the question: why did he attack me in the first place? What was the point? I'd been one of the few to actually post in the game so far, what's the point of raising suspicion of someone if you're not even going to respond back when asked?
My vote is going on Cyber_Cheese and if you're town, I'd go my early interactions with him and tell me what you think.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
|
Jdub, don't worry about BH. If he's town then he's "pressuring" you. Don't feed the trolls, ya know? If he's scum then you're only serving to make yourself suspicious by continuing to defend yourself for no reason.
|
I mean, respond...but you're getting emotional about it which is not the answer. Yes, he's using bad logic. So was I last game remember? Remember what I flipped? There's still a lot of time in the day. If BH's vote is still on you for the reasons he's giving, I'll gladly lynch his ass with you. Responding emotionally to his pressure only makes you seem more suspicious. I mean, obviously if you're scum I'm helping you right now, but you're using fine logic and I don't want to see you talk your way to a lynch. 
|
ET: I'm going to share with you a post from PTP1. A little backstory: it was like my second game here and I was still REALLY bad at this game. Like, real bad. But the one thing I had going for me was my willingness to go after site veterans if I thought they were acting shady. I had just smoked BloodyC0bbler because he led a lynch on me and that shit pissed me off. I thought I was clearly town and this guy gets everyone in town to vote for me. So I killed him. Jackal58 was in that game and he posted this.
Jackal wrote:
Hi guys.
Allow me to preface this with the following caveats:
1. I don't care if you like me.
2. I don't care if you think I'm arrogant, belligerent, ignorant, or any other kind of 'ent/ant
3. I'm not here to be your friend.
4. If I hurt your precious feelings you need to start spending more time in the real world.
5. I'm here to kill scum
6. I will not coddle you in the process.
Now that we have that out of the way I'm going to speak my mind.
75% of you suck. That is a simple truth.
There is no such thing as a "useless townie". That line of thinking stops right here. RIGHT NOW. You all get that? I hope you got that. If you wish to push it any more you are scum. The only useless townies are inactives that will be modkilled. If an individual is posting things you don't agree with, or you think are off the mark, or you think are scummy by all means call them out on it. But stop analyzing people you think are useless townies. If they are town they are not useless. You dumbshits are going to "useless" townie us right into oblivion.Stop fucking doing it. The only thing you are doing is giving scum a place to hide. The only useless townies are the ones calling others useless townies. Fucking stop it. Morons.
Do not base your analysis on people that piss you off. We just lost the goddamned batman because some fucking moron had a fucking hardon at BC. I understand that this game creates emotional responses from people. You dumbshits have to understand that sometimes people are looking for emotional responses. Scum love to stir the pot. If I call you stupid look at the reason why I called you stupid. Odds are if you step back you will realize that yes what you said was stupid. Stupidity does not make people scummy. Calling a persons post stupid does not make that person scummy. It happens get the fuck over it.
Scummy behavior lies in wanting to kill people for stupid shallow reasons.
Scum do not have to pressure people. Us townies do that all by ourselves. Scum simply look for the opportunity to go along for the ride. Stop driving the fucking bus. If you see a post that seems to push a scum agenda bring it to our attention Stop trying to get people lynched because you think they are stupid. Odds are if a person appears stupid it's because they are stupid. Not because they are scum.
So please stop trying to massage your fucking collective egos. Actually everybody right now take your ego and fold it up into a little square and wipe your ass with it. Then flush it. You'll know where to find it when the game is over.
I am in a mason circle that did include BC. This circle is not of my doing. As far as I know atm nobody in it is the benefactor that included all of us. BC had the best analysis of this game to this point. "General opinion is people are fucktards."
I could not have said it better. Bum can confirm this. He's in the circle with me. I will not out the others. If they wish to claim it's on them. Don't ask me to.
We need to use Bum as an asset. A lot of you are going to call this differently. As of right now I believe towns best interest lies in using Bum until the time comes where he has to play for his win condition. When that moment arrives I have no problem with kicking him to the curb.
I probably have another million things to add but I don't remember wtf they are.
Bottom line is - Town,Stop being fucking morons. Start looking for scum instead of people that piss you off or you deem as useless.
Fucking morons.
Yours truly,
Jackal58
It changed the way I viewed this game, and it made me realize something very important: there's no such thing as a useless townie. Someone actively bad at the game, who disagrees with obvious townies and helps scum push their objectives, even they help town by BEING ALIVE. Scum's win-condition is based on NUMBERS. That's why they say the lynch is town's greatest weapon: because scum can't stop the lynch by any means. If we start feeding "useless townies" to the lynch, then that reduces town's number by one, putting scum one step closer to victory.
In short, I don't know yet if johnnywup is scum, but he's certainly not scummy enough to lynch yet. DEFINITELY not for the reasons Blazinghand has stated.
|
BH, cool your jets. johnnywup is pretty new. Give him a chance to get acclimated before you throw all your weight at him.
Go look at my case on C_C. I realize you're trying to ignore me because you disagree with my tactics, but have a little faith. Go take a look.
|
BH you're leaving off the possibility that johnnywup is actually just new to the game and trying to learn what is and isn't scummy. You're attributing most of your case to "a townie wouldn't do that" but how do you know what a townie wouldn't do? I've seen townie do all sorts of things...and the tactic you're describing johnnywup using as scum is a pretty bold and risky move - WAY beyond what I think he's capable of (no offense jdub  )
So yeah dude, go read the beginning of C9++. I had similar reservations. Luckily, I had the wisdom to admit that I might be wrong and we nailed Jackal as scum D1.
|
On March 27 2012 16:59 Blazinghand wrote:Other than C_C's half-assed half-quote of me, he hasn't posted anything of any substance except: Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 07:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Alright boys, lets do this. On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
ATTENTION SCUM! IT WILL BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT ME ON THE BACK FOOT IMMEDIATELY! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO HIDE I WILL FIND YOU! Something about this seems suss. Compensating for some sort of guilt perhaps? I concur with VE that this is a troubling post. I do not like that C_C soft-claimed his nationality. As a town player this is either a huge mistake or some kind of shitty gambit. As a scum player, this is... I don't even know what this is. I eagerly anticipate C_C's reasoning for this post.
I mean, he could be fishing for town players to hint at their nationality. He could be trying to buy insta-cred with anyone who actually is SU...there are any number of possible scum motivations for doing this and very few town motivations. Hence my vote.
If you're bored with C_C, perhaps you could be convinced to look over one gonzaw? Something feels off about that guy too, I'm looking over him myself.
|
Bluelightz - if you have a town read on ET, what's the point of asking others their thoughts on him? To me, that seems to be fostering useless conversation to no reasonable end. Why? Why not scumhunt instead of see if people agree with your town-read?
|
On March 27 2012 22:32 gonzaw wrote:
@VE: So, did that "prodding" of yours help at all or something? You "proded" several people based on some pointless stuff, but you never dwelled back on it again IIRC
I've found the responses to my prods exceedingly helpful in my personal hunt for scum. I've placed a vote on who I think is scum the most so far, and you've failed to comment on or even acknowledge that fact.
Please do so. Go look at C_C and tell me what you think before you ask me useless questions again.
|
On March 27 2012 23:19 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm VE Good Point, Gonna read some others though, as for my scum read, what do you think of cccalf's response to my post?
It seems like a perfectly reasonable new-player response. If he continues to be useless, feel free to shoot him in the face if you're a vig. I don't want to lynch him yet, though...perhaps if he continues to be useless until deadline he'll be a more attractive lynch, but likely not if we have some decent scum suspects.
What do you think about gonzaw?
|
The important thing to note is that in his first post, he was sure to give the useless/obvious advice of "don't claim your nationality" but didn't seem interested in the fact that C_C already had. It seems to me that if I had an idea about something that's anti-town to do (claiming nationality) and someone has done this thing in thread (C_C) I'd be interested in hearing his reasons for doing so. He doesn't. Like he didn't even read it or something, when it's a big fat graphic in C_C's (only) post.
I don't like the smell of it. It smells like....SCUM
|
zel and Zentor - discussing town-reads is like, COOL and everything...but I'd like to use our time to find scum if you don't mind. Townhunting is more effective late-game when there are fewer people to speculate about.
You two need to post your thoughts on my case against C_C in detail and give your thoughts on my other scum-read gonzaw.
|
|
|
On March 27 2012 23:52 zelblade wrote:
VE any thoughts on ET?
So far ET seems reasonable enough and willing to get involved in conversation. At the present time I'm not considering him for today's lynch myself.
|
Ya I thought that was weird. lol It states specifically in the OP that voting is done in this thread.
Anyways, was just trying to follow protocol Hesmyrr...my bad. XD
|
On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote:
His last post doesn't seem nearly as suspicious as his first two.
He is either a nooby town or a nooby mafia, and it's really hard to tell which.
I think it would be better to lynch C_C for now.
The italicized I disagree with. Here's why.
Think about why he's posting it. I'll post it here for convenience.
On March 27 2012 22:32 gonzaw wrote:BH, I see you are still the overly-aggressive asshole from usual right? I don't know what that initial stupid outburst from yours was about, but it produced some reactions and that's fine, but you need to stop these emotional outbursts of yours since they don't help anyone. If you are scum it's also easy to fake them to instill chaos, so stop. I think I said this in Aperture Mafia as well. I see nothing wrong with johnys posts or his "case" against you, you acted very odd and there's nothing wrong in him calling you out. The subsequent bickering between you two was kind of useless and only cluttered things up. You can't infer johnys alignment from that bickering, you need to let him make other reads, contribute about other topics, and see what he does and how he does it. Continuing an argument based on some pointless thing will make it impossible for anyone to do so. However BH, you were going against Nemensis (for some stupid reason like him waking up to post or something), and then you completely ignored him. Why's that? Do you still think Nemensis is scum for those reasons or were they part of your "show" to "pressure" and shit? I find you are acting like in Aperture, being so confident and aggressive; which makes me think you are likely town. However I haven't seen you be scum (in a non-Resistance game), and you pushing that attitude of yours worries me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @VE: So, did that "prodding" of yours help at all or something? You "proded" several people based on some pointless stuff, but you never dwelled back on it again IIRC @Echelon: What's with your weird wording? Saying things like "hip hip hurrah!" or "you are crAAAzy" and that weird attitude of yours? I don't remember you ever playing like that, seems you may be trolling or something. @Bluelightz: You say ET is town and pressed people to post, do you have anything to back that up? Although I see you are posting lists now though P.S: There, I used the "-----" line breaks you guys always love >_>
Look at the size of this post sir. Take a good look at it.
Now see if you can tell me after reading it again who gonzaw thinks is scum.
+ Show Spoiler [My Guess] +
If you can, it's because you're assuming something based on what he says, but he never actually says that he thinks anyone is scum. Is he suspicious of me? His post seems to be mildly discrediting me (unclear of the point of my posts, asking if it has helped though not apparently interested in the results, negative language like "pointless" and "dwelled"). Not to mention the fact that it's clear that he's not even reading the thread fully, which I'm assuming because he commented @me but didn't comment on my largest contribution OR my vote so far. He's dancing around issues that should matter to actual townies, while spreading doubt simultaneously (read: BH, VE, Blue, ET).
This is the most suspicious post he's made so far MrZentor. What do you think about that?
|
Yes, his play is sub-par as far as I'm concerned. He argued with decent reasoning and posted without fear. I thought he was scum early on because of some of the things that happened in that game, but ultimately his play this game is completely different (read: worse).
Further, he immediately backed off of me in spite of my behavior not changing (arguably my confidence/bravado has gotten worse since the post he quoted) when I asked him about it. He never even mentions it again.
Add to that the fact that he's been eerily silent during the goings-on today and I'd say he's by far the best candidate for the day.
|
So in summary, lynches I'd be good with today:
Cyber_Cheese
gonzaw
...for reasons I've stated previously. Neither C_C nor gonzaw appear to be interested in finding scum, only spreading doubt. One or both of them are scum. I'll lynch either one without mercy.
|
gonzaw, I need you to tell me what you think of Cyber_Cheese, and what do you think of my vote of him? As far as I can tell, you think that "there's too little information". So to get a pass from you, scum need only not post/post policy discussion exclusively D1? You said you're "willing to vote him" if he doesn't step up, why not vote him now? You know, in case you can't make it back for lynch or whatever. If he's suspicious enough to vote to lynch then, he's suspicious enough to vote now...but you're unwilling to even SAY ANYONE IS SUSPICIOUS. A lot has happened in this thread and you should have a firm opinion of at least someone, I don't care who you are. So far everyone (who has posted) has at least a tertiary scum read and has shared it with the thread - you're being overly diplomatic and defensive.
Finding scum isn't a priority for you. Prove me wrong. Vote C_C.
|
I think they're trying to find scum.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
