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Chaoser. I agree with your possible cases. You also drew them a lot prettier than I did in my post against Risen's earlier case.
I just fail to see why mafia needs to be DT. Is there some strange mechanic in the game where mafia can't see other mafia? Mafia knows mafia, right?
So why does it matter whether risen is DT or not if he's mafia? If he's mafia, he knows I'm a townie. What I don't know is why anybody is paying any attention to him.
Actually, now that I think about it a bit more, I have a theory.
The way he jumped in just 2 hours before the deadline to blueclaim is exceedingly damning. If he's really blue this must be the worst possible timing. Additionally he uses WBG's drivel as an excuse insofar as he needed one.
On March 25 2012 06:53 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 06:50 Acrofales wrote:
Seeing as nothing of note is happening at the moment and we're all waiting for WBG to be chucked out the moon door (PLEASE CURU, DO IT!!!). I have a question for WBG (yes, I want to be trolled).
WBG: why are 3/4 of your posts obsessed with killing Greymist or asserting that he is scum? Pretty sure he's telling scum not to rb him so he can shoot me. Also, should I roleclaim? Everyone seems to want me dead.
How is this not a mafia setup?
If he really is a DT, he was just setting himself up to be offed by a mobster.
If, however, he is mafia, he knows he's not getting killed by his teammates. With his earlier pushes for me to get vig'd he suspected I would react. This just sets him up for his day 2 play of painting me as scum:
1. He has put me and him directly opposit each other.
2. He has announced his blue claim prior to it actually happening.
It also makes sense of a lot of his really crappy posting yesterday evening.
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He did not even need me to react, looking at his D1 posts this was perfectly planned. It just seems I played right into his hands by doing so.
Okay, so Risen is SCUM. My vote today is in the right place. Now what can we learn about last night's kills?
Firstly, SLJ never visited Evantrees like he claimed he would.
However, I guess he might've been blocked. I am inclined to think both kills are mafia hits, because they have the same MO. I like MrZentor's analysis of DoYouHas' death, so I'll try my hand at SLJ.
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On March 26 2012 03:46 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 03:44 Acrofales wrote:Chaoser. I agree with your possible cases. You also drew them a lot prettier than I did in my post against Risen's earlier case. I just fail to see why mafia needs to be DT. Is there some strange mechanic in the game where mafia can't see other mafia? Mafia knows mafia, right? So why does it matter whether risen is DT or not if he's mafia? If he's mafia, he knows I'm a townie. What I don't know is why anybody is paying any attention to him. Actually, now that I think about it a bit more, I have a theory. The way he jumped in just 2 hours before the deadline to blueclaim is exceedingly damning. If he's really blue this must be the worst possible timing. Additionally he uses WBG's drivel as an excuse insofar as he needed one. On March 25 2012 06:53 Risen wrote:On March 25 2012 06:50 Acrofales wrote:
Seeing as nothing of note is happening at the moment and we're all waiting for WBG to be chucked out the moon door (PLEASE CURU, DO IT!!!). I have a question for WBG (yes, I want to be trolled).
WBG: why are 3/4 of your posts obsessed with killing Greymist or asserting that he is scum? Pretty sure he's telling scum not to rb him so he can shoot me. Also, should I roleclaim? Everyone seems to want me dead. How is this not a mafia setup? If he really is a DT, he was just setting himself up to be offed by a mobster. If, however, he is mafia, he knows he's not getting killed by his teammates. With his earlier pushes for me to get vig'd he suspected I would react. This just sets him up for his day 2 play of painting me as scum: 1. He has put me and him directly opposit each other. 2. He has announced his blue claim prior to it actually happening. It also makes sense of a lot of his really crappy posting yesterday evening. You're an idiot for not claiming miller at this point.
Okay. In that case I'm an idiot. I am not a miller.
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Heh, I didn't know that either. Who knows, I may be a miller.
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Okay. To start with, I for one had no clue SLJ was a vigilante. I would probably have been more careful about calling him out about his lack of attention to the game if I had known, lol.
Now on to the posts.
Given that SLJ's process of analysis is by elimination, as stated here:
Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 20:28 SamuelLJackson wrote:On March 23 2012 20:13 Acrofales wrote:
SLJ: if most of the things said are town reads, then who do you currently suspect of being mafia? Sandro's last idea was Layabout, and you were supposed to post the case. Yet, you came in and said he was town (although you didn't unvote him). So who is mafia? Imho your behaviour is increasingly suspect. As a potential leader for town, you're doing a subpar job. So is greymist, btw. I wasn't supposed to post anything and did not come in and say he was town. I only told sandroba that wbg has a point about layabout's tone not being what I expect from his mafia play, but he hasn't posted enough to go further than that. Out of the players we are more comfortable reading, we do not currently like chaoser and greymist. I scum hunt primarily by process of elimination, so a lot of my focus is on "confirming" townies. There is absolutely nothing "suspect" about our behaviour, so while you have a point about us not putting in much effort yet, and I won't promise I will, you should focus your attention elsewhere.
These, insofar as I can see in the filter are his only two real reads. He later says he's not too sure about Mattchew anymore, but never follows it up. He consistently harps on Greymist and Chaoser. Can someone confirm that these are the two other veteran players in the game, and they probably know eachothers' playstyles rather well?
Here's another exerpt:
On March 24 2012 03:37 SamuelLJackson wrote:
The difference is that he is active and I'm not confident enough on him flipping mafia to push him for a day 1 lynch. I have him leaning scum on my spread sheet as I do chaoser. However if the lynch is between him and mattchew I will vote greymist.
The final bit on Greymist is this:
On March 24 2012 07:24 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 07:13 GreYMisT wrote:
Are we serious? The town has collectively switched lynch targets 3 times in the past 24 hours. Make up your own minds for God's sake. This is one of the most frustrating day 1's I have seen in quite some time. How is that frustrating and has town really "collectively switched lynch targets 3 times"? Your frustration doesn't feel genuine to me
Which seems a bit meaningless. Especially as Greymist was on the line to get lynched at the point this was posted. Mafia or town, I doubt he wanted to get lynched, so real or feigned, he was probably posting to get out of getting lynched.
Aside from what he said above, he said about Chaoser:
On March 22 2012 17:12 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 04:56 layabout wrote:
zealos do you intend to keep spamming up the thread?
Do you intend to keep not posting? Any thoughts on Oberyn yet? Risen you've yet to express a single opinion that in any way relates to the game Chaoser I don't like this point you brought up Show nested quote +gumshoe's response to Acro's situation was also weird and problematic. His first suggestion to Acro was to role claim. Now, had that been towards a more experienced player I would have less problems with but since it's to a newbie, there was a decently high chance acro might have actually claimed (as can be seen in the recent games where there have been day one role claims). Newbieness? The rest of his posts seem to suggest so but I will be keeping tabs on him as the game goes on. Does the highlighted section in any way have relate to his alignment? Weird and problematic? This reads like something a person who has to force cases would say. Moreover, do you think it's more likely for new scum or new town to make such a ridiculous role claim inquiry? You've posted some content, but it's a bit light in terms of actual accusations; even when you assert mattchew is fake tunnelling, you don't vote for him nor do you call him scum. You say people should be aware of how much we are posting and that you will be "keeping tabs on" gumshoe. Would you be up to lynching Oberyn today? /syllogism
I kinda agree with this post, but just as with Greymist it seems far from damning. The fact that he chose to vote for Layabout on day 1 (and in fact started the bandwagon) seems to indicate that he himself (they themselves) were not sold on the idea of lynching Greymist or Chaoser.
I am unsure how either of these two cases lead to either Greymist or Chaoser getting scared enough to kill him. Both Sandroba and Syllogism seem to have a LOT of experience playing this game, though, so it might have been enough.
However, I think the main reason he was killed is because the mobsters saw something that I cannot know how they guessed: his blue role. The fact that he did not kill Evantrees as he claimed he would, seems to indicate he was roleblocked and then hacked to bits by mafia. For the life of me I don't know how they did it and I have just gone through his filter with a comb. There is no breadcrumb to Syrio there.
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I think I can confirm there is no Syrio breadcrumb in SLJ's posts:
On March 22 2012 01:17 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it's me. I guess you guys don't need me to sign my posts then =P
I'll take advantage of this post to inform you that I don't know shit about GoT and I'll strike down with great anger people that are using too much useless flavor in their posts.
There might be a vig crumb somewhere, but I cannot find it.
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On March 26 2012 04:41 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM.
Okay, the only situation in which this is true is if I were scum and was being thrown to the faceless men. I assure you that that is NOT happening.
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EBWOP: That is the only situation in which Risen and I are both scum.
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Now I am going to cook, eat and spend some time with my girlfriend, who is hanging over my shoulder and telling me to stop playing this game. See you tomorrow.
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Have to admit that today is a busy day at work for me too. Wrapping things up, but don't expect to have much time tonight either.
GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that?
Lyter and Evantrees: your filters are even emptier than Gumshoe's. Who are your top 3 scum and why? Who do you think is town?
OriginalName: you had some good posts at the start of this game, but have disappeared all night and day. You started off voting SLJ and switched to Evantrees. Do you think Evantrees is scum? Do you think Risen is scum? How about Sinensis?
Risk.nuke: your case against greymist is really bad. You misinterpreted his sarcasm. Would you still think he is mafia if you imagine his first 3 posts did not happen?
I think my own stance is pretty clear. Risen is scum and should be lynched today. His DT claim is so ridiculous, together with his followup this morning, that he is either the worst townie in history, or mafia. I refuse to believe players can be as bad as he is, so he must be mafia.
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On March 27 2012 02:27 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 01:36 Acrofales wrote:
GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that?
Remember when i did this to you and you called me scum? atleast mine was early day 1
Yeah, I overreacted. Overall that seems to be the only part of day 1 where any useful information was gathered at all, with people like MrZentor, Zealos and SLJ chipping in to have their say.
Another difference is that Gumshoe is currently my second-most-favourite lynch after Risen. It'd be great to get more information for the day 3 lynch.
Just to be clear, you're still not off the hook and I find your reasoning today exceedingly suspicious. I just think there are better targets to focus on for the moment.
Even so, it can't really hurt to show how your reasoning is just really suspicious. At the very least it'll further the discussion and allow me to decide whether you're actually scum or not. Your reasoning is pretty much explained here:
On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first
You seem to have the four cases pretty clear. However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence. I haven't seen anybody make a case against me lately. The only evidence being taken into account seems to be Risen's DT check. Apparently, for you, a DT claim is automatically enough reason to disregard all other posts by said person, OR the one he claims on, and say that he should not be lynched because he DT claimed. Wow, if I ever play a mobster I will keep that in mind!
Now lets look at the rest of the evidence:
Risen
Risen has been playing exceedingly erratically. I initially had a town read on him (as you can see if you go through my posts), although I found his analysis exceedingly weak (once again, in my posts). He then suddenly panicked at WBG's supposed kill power + Show Spoiler [pointless WBG speculation] +Littlefinger does not like to get his own hands dirty and a kill power does not fit the lore at all.
Given his insistance that I was scum from almost the start of the game, this caused me to post the pages of refutals of his analysis, as I thought he had been crumbing vigilante, not DT. At this point I still believed him, although I was both angry enough and thought he was playing terribly enough that I should vote for him on basic principle (also in my night posts).
The next morning he roleclaimed DT in an exceedingly vague and dumb manner. He claimed DT without stating his actual role name, he never crumbed DT OR his rolename beforehand and he completely ignored any possibility of me being framed or a miller and continued throughout the morning to ignore any such possibilities.
In addition to his ballsup of a DT claim, his only somewhat useful contribution to this game has been to spam a full page of really bad analysis.
Acro
I am awesome and a contributing townie. Someone should make a proper case against me if they have one that is not based on all this WIFOM around Risen's DT check.
Now, given the evidence, we have to consider PROBABILITIES of each of the four cases and then things change drastically. We can lynch me, confirmed townie, based on a somewhat decent plot by a scumster (or, I'll grant him the inkling of doubt I don't really have: an incredibly shitty DT). Or we can lynch a mobster (with a tiny tiny chance that he is actually an incredibly shitty DT).
And that is why I think your reasoning is suspect. If there was no prior knowledge then you would be right, but you are reasoning as if the DT check is the only information you have.
To be completely honest, I have no clue what way you lean at the moment. Day 1 I could've sworn you were scum. Night 1 you seemed to be playing townie and Day 2 you're back to looking scummy. I can't read you at the moment, but given that I have two reads I am far more confident in I don't mind too much. If both Risen and Gumshoe flip red, then I am quite sure you are too.
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On March 27 2012 02:38 Mattchew wrote:lol and how do you know that he is lying? (do you see where i am going with this)
Could you please wifom that for me again. I couldn't hear you above all the wifom you're wifoming.
I may be new at this game, but I'm pretty good at logics (I did just hand in my PhD on AI after all). So let me logic it out for you.
In order to decide whether you should actually believe the claim that "Acro showed red" made by Risen, that is the only information you should not take into account.
You should go through his filter and look at his history and disregard who he's pointing a finger at. Then, if you decide that, yes, Risen is a credible DT, you should believe that he read "Acro is red".
This, btw, is entirely independent of whom you think the best lynch target is. It is just more evidence. Based on all the evidence in the thread, you should then decide who is most likely to be scum. You should then post your evidence, and vote for that person, not just sheeple Risen because he will be killed by mobs at night regardless.
For the record, I have posted my findings a number of times here. Risen is scum.
I think you have homework to do (unless you're mafia, in which case you should continue to confuse and confound everybody and keep wifoming about Risen's DT claim).
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On March 27 2012 03:34 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2012 02:27 Mattchew wrote:On March 27 2012 01:36 Acrofales wrote:
GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that?
Remember when i did this to you and you called me scum? atleast mine was early day 1 Yeah, I overreacted. Overall that seems to be the only part of day 1 where any useful information was gathered at all, with people like MrZentor, Zealos and SLJ chipping in to have their say. Another difference is that Gumshoe is currently my second-most-favourite lynch after Risen. It'd be great to get more information for the day 3 lynch. Just to be clear, you're still not off the hook and I find your reasoning today exceedingly suspicious. I just think there are better targets to focus on for the moment. Even so, it can't really hurt to show how your reasoning is just really suspicious. At the very least it'll further the discussion and allow me to decide whether you're actually scum or not. Your reasoning is pretty much explained here: On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first You seem to have the four cases pretty clear. However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence. I haven't seen anybody make a case against me lately. The only evidence being taken into account seems to be Risen's DT check. Apparently, for you, a DT claim is automatically enough reason to disregard all other posts by said person, OR the one he claims on, and say that he should not be lynched because he DT claimed. Wow, if I ever play a mobster I will keep that in mind! Now lets look at the rest of the evidence: RisenRisen has been playing exceedingly erratically. I initially had a town read on him (as you can see if you go through my posts), although I found his analysis exceedingly weak (once again, in my posts). He then suddenly panicked at WBG's supposed kill power + Show Spoiler [pointless WBG speculation] +Littlefinger does not like to get his own hands dirty and a kill power does not fit the lore at all. . Given his insistance that I was scum from almost the start of the game, this caused me to post the pages of refutals of his analysis, as I thought he had been crumbing vigilante, not DT. At this point I still believed him, although I was both angry enough and thought he was playing terribly enough that I should vote for him on basic principle (also in my night posts). The next morning he roleclaimed DT in an exceedingly vague and dumb manner. He claimed DT without stating his actual role name, he never crumbed DT OR his rolename beforehand and he completely ignored any possibility of me being framed or a miller and continued throughout the morning to ignore any such possibilities. In addition to his ballsup of a DT claim, his only somewhat useful contribution to this game has been to spam a full page of really bad analysis. AcroI am awesome and a contributing townie. Someone should make a proper case against me if they have one that is not based on all this WIFOM around Risen's DT check. Now, given the evidence, we have to consider PROBABILITIES of each of the four cases and then things change drastically. We can lynch me, confirmed townie, based on a somewhat decent plot by a scumster (or, I'll grant him the inkling of doubt I don't really have: an incredibly shitty DT). Or we can lynch a mobster (with a tiny tiny chance that he is actually an incredibly shitty DT). And that is why I think your reasoning is suspect. If there was no prior knowledge then you would be right, but you are reasoning as if the DT check is the only information you have. To be completely honest, I have no clue what way you lean at the moment. Day 1 I could've sworn you were scum. Night 1 you seemed to be playing townie and Day 2 you're back to looking scummy. I can't read you at the moment, but given that I have two reads I am far more confident in I don't mind too much. If both Risen and Gumshoe flip red, then I am quite sure you are too. "However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence." I am. If asked before all this shit, I would have said that I have a town read on both of you. After this shit, I still see no case against either of you that holds any weight, however it does appear to me as if 1 of you is scum and 1 of you is town. That is why my logic has no outside factors involved with the decision making process.
In that case you should be finding scum and building a case, not sheepling onto Risen. This is beyond stupid.
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tiyccagofcaxudin!!! I hate Risen even more now. How the fuck does any of this make sense?! I actually gave a red read?! FUUUUCK.
Okay, rant over. I realise I'm fighting an uphill battle, but can someone please tell why this read is being used to throw overboard all other evidence? I want to prove my innocence, and at the moment all I have is my play so far. Please don't kill me without at least formulating a case against me.
So far, the only evidence posted is a red read. I ask you to go over my filter and make a better case than that.
Valar dohaeris!
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Nobody? Really? Okay.
Risk.nuke:
On March 27 2012 02:05 risk.nuke wrote:
I thought you said exept those, and in all honesty I'd rather kill acro before risen. Since the risk reward is better but I have little time today and I didn't feel strong enough about it to argue with the majority about it.
Yesterday you didn't feel like arguing with the majority. Now would be a most excellent time to make your case.
Oberyn: you also voted for me. Insofar as I can see, this is your case against me:
On March 27 2012 02:12 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 01:54 chaoser wrote:
If you had to lynch three people right now, who would they be? Out of acro and risen, who would you lynch? I think Arco would be the better lynch at this point. As there are still seven hours, its possible to have the situation deal with itself and allow Risen to continue to provide checks or tie up the roleblocker with the threat of a tracker or watcher. Future lynches would have to be based on today's flip, but I still think Greymist would be a good lynch.
Which seems to indicate the same as risk.nuke stated: risk/reward. It doesn't actually say anything about me being mafia. Please elaborate on the rewards of lynching and/or vigi shooting me. How are you so sure I'm mafia with only the fact that I flipped red to back it up? In fact, I am very interested to hear how you reached that conclusion before Risen turned out to actually be a DT.
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On March 27 2012 18:40 risk.nuke wrote:
We don't need a case, we got a redcheck. Acro. Sit down shut up.
Mods can we have a 24 hour day today if town agrees on it? There won't be or well you don't know with the ratio of morons in this city but there shouldn't be much confusion about who we're lynching.
So let me get this straight. You are advocating a policy of lynching anybody who has a confirmed red check, regardless of ANY other evidence?
If Ockham's razor was meant as an elaboration of this, I counter:
Ockham's razor does not tell you to disregard evidence. It tells you to choose the simplest explanation that explains all evidence.
However, you're choosing to deliberately disregard almost all the evidence (my entire game history), based on a red check. Let me remind you that red does not mean mafia, it is just another piece of evidence. It is up to you to weigh that evidence, together with all other evidence.
Ockham's razor is a tool to be used in this process, it is not used to cut away all evidence that does not fit your preconceived theory.
Now I have a seminar (a boring one). Hopefully I can continue to post from my iPad, but it'll be slow and torturous.
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On March 27 2012 20:15 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 19:07 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2012 18:40 risk.nuke wrote:
We don't need a case, we got a redcheck. Acro. Sit down shut up.
Mods can we have a 24 hour day today if town agrees on it? There won't be or well you don't know with the ratio of morons in this city but there shouldn't be much confusion about who we're lynching. So let me get this straight. You are advocating a policy of lynching anybody who has a confirmed red check, regardless of ANY other evidence? The other evidence is a confirmed DT doing that confirmed red check. And yes. when you have confirmed red check thats all the evidence you need. sucks if your a miller
So, your plan is to ignore all other evidence, kill a townie tomorrow and enter night 4 with no mafia and two wasted days. Boy, I sure like your plan, Mr. Scumbag!
Can I ask a stupid question? If this holds for millers and framed people, why does it not hold for godfathers? If Risen had said I was confirmed town, would I be above all suspicion?
NO. Before starting to play, I read a game here, where a DT checked a godfather and he got lynched anyway, but I can't find it anymore (maybe one of the veterans remembers it). So why hold "red is dead" as a holy grail, when a green check is maintained as suspect?
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EBWOP: night 3, not night 4. Still pretty bad, though.
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On March 27 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 18:40 risk.nuke wrote:
We don't need a case, we got a redcheck. Acro. Sit down shut up.
Mods can we have a 24 hour day today if town agrees on it? There won't be or well you don't know with the ratio of morons in this city but there shouldn't be much confusion about who we're lynching. Why would you want to reduce the amount of time town has for discussion? This raises my suspicions of you slightly. Also, why not contribute anything and merely post a one liner saying "we don't need discussion, we need uninformed action"? -.- If there is a second Vigilante left, you should probably shoot Acrofales tonight. If nothing else, it will prevent a day being wasted on a single argument (like day 2). I'm a bit curious about his breadcrumbs though... Is he preparing for a roleclaim later? Like MrZentor did with his "code"? If worse comes to worst, we might lose another blue this way... I'd say shooting him is still a good bet though, or we might waste day 3 completely AND end up using the lynch on Acrofales anyway.
Okay, I'll bite. You're also following the same stupid reasoning here that Greymist, risk.nuke and Mattchew want to jump on. You suspect I might be blue, but you think it is better to kill me than confirm? Losing a vigi and a DT isn't enough for you?
Can you tell me why it is better to vig hit or lynch me without even taking other evidence into account? Especially as you seem to think I'm blue?
It's not as if there aren't enough vigilante targets out there who have contributed NOTHING to this game at all.
Gumshoe has been lurking for so long it's not even funny anymore. He lurked an entire cycle! If he was mafia, he knew that Risen was a DT and was laughing his way to the bank while everybody here called him out repeatedly for posting suspect stuff and then lurking.
Evantrees has contributed a grand total of 9 posts to this game of which the only one remotely useful was his denial of being shot by SLJ. I happen to believe him, but not because of his post.
Note that I have no read on Evantrees at all, due to his complete lack of posting, but the few things he has said have been singularly unimpressive. I especially like his last post:
On March 26 2012 09:24 evantrees wrote:
only got sort of ninjaed once not twice at least...
Indeed gumshoe where are you? and OriginalName to a lesser extent.
Lurker 1, lurker 2 here, do you read me? Hello? HELLO?
OriginalName/Jitsu: I am inclined to give Jitsu a bit more time, but it has been 12 hours since he said he started reading, I am hoping he has something better to say than his predecessor.
I understand that a red check is a big deal. I would be suspicious of me too, but look through my filter. Take a comb through it. Note down everything scummy that you find and everything townie that you find. I have posted a lot of content, so it might take a while (although that alone should hint that I'm town). I have no doubt in my mind that you will conclude I am town.
But no, you insist that the red check is the end of the line and I should be vig shot or lynched for it. At least do your homework before shooting/lynching your fellow townie.
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On March 27 2012 21:36 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:25 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2012 20:15 Mattchew wrote:On March 27 2012 19:07 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2012 18:40 risk.nuke wrote:
We don't need a case, we got a redcheck. Acro. Sit down shut up.
Mods can we have a 24 hour day today if town agrees on it? There won't be or well you don't know with the ratio of morons in this city but there shouldn't be much confusion about who we're lynching. So let me get this straight. You are advocating a policy of lynching anybody who has a confirmed red check, regardless of ANY other evidence? The other evidence is a confirmed DT doing that confirmed red check. And yes. when you have confirmed red check thats all the evidence you need. sucks if your a miller So, your plan is to ignore all other evidence, kill a townie tomorrow and enter night 4 with no mafia and two wasted days. Boy, I sure like your plan, Mr. Scumbag! Can I ask a stupid question? If this holds for millers and framed people, why does it not hold for godfathers? If Risen had said I was confirmed town, would I be above all suspicion? NO. Before starting to play, I read a game here, where a DT checked a godfather and he got lynched anyway, but I can't find it anymore (maybe one of the veterans remembers it). So why hold "red is dead" as a holy grail, when a green check is maintained as suspect? Do you normally lynch your strongest town reads? detectives would be pretty useless then wouldn't they?
Isn't that pretty much my point? Care to elaborate, because if this is supposed to somehow refute what I said, I don't understand.
Detectives are far from useless, but you cannot blindly trust their findings either. Combine it with the rest of the evidence and draw your conclusion. Don't just think "lol, easy mode" and lynch a townie without even thinking it through.
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