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SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:02 GreYMisT wrote: Do you think sheer post count is enough to absolve people? And risen, thats an interesting opinion, do you think im scum? I'm referring to the content of those posts, are you serious | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:40 DoYouHas wrote: My case against Alderan does not hinge upon his meta (which btw, I have played 2 games with him. 1 scum, 1 town). That is what tipped me towards him being scum. I know there is a stigma against using meta against anyone that isn't a complete vet, but I think when a person says they screwed the town with their inactivity and apologize for it in their last game, it SHOULD be a red flag when that person posts little and avoids making cases or taking stands. But let's move past meta, because my case really hinges upon the fact that Alderan has been spreading around suspicion while avoiding the spotlight of actually making a case. We are about 6 hours out from the deadline. Alderan has been suspicious of Lyter, Acro, Matt, Grey, Zealos, Layabout, and now SLJ. But he has not really pressured any of these people (with the possible exception of Layabout, but I happen to disagree with him that Layabout's posts have been scummy). Instead, he posts a short reason why they are suspicious, immediately drops it, and moves on to someone else. I find that behavior to be very anti-town. Alderan is good enough to realize (yes, he is) that if you want reactions you need to actually push someone. He has given no reason for anyone whom he suspects to take him seriously, because he isn't really trying to convince the rest of us. He just wants to look like he is scumhunting, without actually doing it. Even now his vote is on Layabout because he had "been lurking, and when you do actually post it's just one liners or one liners with a lot quoted. You have provided nothing to the town". I find that strange because when I look at Layabout's filter I see him making it clear who he thinks is scummy and why, defending those thoughts, and pointing out voting that seems inconsistent. It is true that his filter is pretty sparse, but I definitely don't find it to be absent any substance and/or scummy. If Alderan was really going to choose a lurker why not Evan? Evan has an even shorter filter than Layabout's and has a poorly explained vote on Mattchew to top it off. Then there is Alderan's bungling of Greymist and gumshoe. There was no reason for him to wait on his Greymist case or act like he was still null towards gumshoe. And even after gumshoe came back without disproving Alderan's case, Alderan decides to vote Layabout instead of Greymist. Alderan keeps going through the song and dance of scum hunting, but he never actually gets around to doing it. Can we please start this game off on the right foot and lynch Alderan? About the Greymist/gumshoe thing. Yes it does make sense to wait on gumshoe to post. Why would I create a post saying why I think gumshoe is town BEFORE he actually defends himself. I was basing my analysis off of 2 posts, so I was not totally sure if I was indeed correct. Had I posted prior to his defense, I would have given him ammunition if he was in fact scum. That's not something I'm ever going to do. I try to let everyone defend themselves first. It just makes sense. I do agree with you about Evan, I just had not taken a look at his filter at the time and had not realized the extent of his lurkiness. As for Layabout, he's doing the same thing you accuse me of (being suspicious of a lot of people) but you make no note of it. Look back at his filter. Here are his suspicions: - Suspicious of Xatalos - Suspicious of Evantrees - Suspicious of Oberyn - Suspicious of Nicholas - Suspicious of Gumshoe - Suspicious of me - No longer suspicious of Oberyn. How can you ignore this (which literally makes up every single one of his posts) and focus on me. I'm at least generating discussion. Layabout has done NOTHING but lurk and cast suspicion. He votes for me, because he doesn't think that I think that he is scum and he thinks I am sheeping with SLJ. Compare the case against me and the case against Layabout. Use your head. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:05 SamuelLJackson wrote: I'm referring to the content of those posts, are you serious Yes. I do not see how those posts define "townieness". And you did say "he has posted more since then". You did not give me examples of quality posting, therefore i assumed you were talking about quantity, rather than quality. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Lololololol | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:02 GreYMisT wrote: Do you think sheer post count is enough to absolve people? And risen, thats an interesting opinion, do you think im scum? Note what I said earlier about people who don't post enough. Lurking is never pro-town. Never, ever, ever. No, I do not think you're scum, I think people found an easy lynch and tried to run with it when you jokingly suggested lynching wbg. No townie would ever take that suggestion seriously, only mafia looking for an easy target would. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18292 Posts
I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway? Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Hey guys, look: all the scum are switching to evantrees now! Lololololol I don't feel to well about the evantress, too much late bandwagon on the lurker and it's going fast. Compared to how slow everyone has been to unite up untill now. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18292 Posts
##unvote ##vote Nicolas | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Hey guys, look: all the scum are switching to evantrees now! Lololololol Then fuck evantrees. If he gets lynched he set himself up for this bullshit by not posting, and we're better off with him gone now so we don't have to put up with his shit later. I'd rather waste a lynch now on a useless townie so we don't have to have doubts about him later. At least if he flips town we can focus vig hits on other people who aren't lurking like a mofo | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote: Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not. I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway? Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him. You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 24 2012 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote: Layabout are you around? Lynch in a bit over 2 hours; do you not care at all who gets lynched? You are at least theoretically in danger of being lynched, though obviously with the current vote spread it's pretty much impossible to lynch scum. Greymist: he has posted more since then. Have they not made you re-evaluate your opinion at all? /syllogism In light of his recent posts I think oberyn cares about finding scum or at least he is bothering to produce the signs of looking for scum and i do not think we should lynch him. I don't think greymist cares about finding scum. He has made many posts but the only lynch candidate he has pushed has been oberyn. I looked at grey earlier but i thought it would be easier to vote for alerdan (who's vote on me is poorly justified) rather than to try to come up with some sub-par analysis, i was curious about why he was still telling us to lynch oberyn even though oberyn is showing more signs of a town agenda than half of the people in the thread. By continuing to push oberyn it looks to me like Greymist is trying to keep the votes spread. A greymist lynch sounds like the best option we still have. also i would like to point out that leading the votes are for : evantrees (3) - Mattchew, Sinensis, OriginalName a lurker layabout (3) - SamuelLJackson, gumshoe, Alderan a lurker Mattchew (3) - Acrofales, Xatalos, MrZentor, evantrees an annoying dude Did anybody else see my posting like this? On March 24 2012 02:37 Alderan wrote: + Show Spoiler [-snip-] + @Mattchew: Evantrees- I mean what is there to say. He's got 6 posts, none of which with any substance. He think's you're scummy for reasons that he doesn't list and points a vig shot at you. I'm not sure if it's scummy, but as of now he's lurking the hardest out of anyone in the thread. Xatalos- I'm getting noob town. I mean he wants to vote you for being aggressive, that's a bad play, but aside from that he's been generating discussion lately, and staying active. Not someone I'd feel comfortable lynching right now. @Layabout- The reason I voted for you is because you have been lurking, and when you do actually post it's just one liners or one liners with a lot quoted. You have provided nothing to the town, and I didn't need Sandroba to tell me that... | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:12 Acrofales wrote: Given that my favourite scum target isn't getting killed anyway I'll start the bandwagon on a modkilled guy! ##unvote ##vote Nicolas I approve this wholeheartedly. Changing my vote since no one will vote for you (reasons for which are beyond me, I still think you're the most viable lynch target, but I'm not the only one with an opinion). Still think you need to be shot by a vig Acro. Hopefully enough people can get off other equally useless votes and just lynch the modkilled guy. We're going to lose Nicolas at lynch time anyways people, in this manner we get a lot more time to see people posting. This is tough... I think evantrees deserves his death for playing so shitty, but I don't think mafia would sit by while one of their own was being lynched either. Where the fuck is Lyter? Why the focus on evantrees and not lyter who is also lurking just as much? This gives me pause, makes me think evantrees is town and lyter is scum. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:13 GreYMisT wrote: Are we serious? The town has collectively switched lynch targets 3 times in the past 24 hours. Make up your own minds for God's sake. This is one of the most frustrating day 1's I have seen in quite some time. rofl you liar, you love it. cause you're scum. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 24 2012 07:05 Alderan wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 03:40 DoYouHas wrote: My case against Alderan does not hinge upon his meta (which btw, I have played 2 games with him. 1 scum, 1 town). That is what tipped me towards him being scum. I know there is a stigma against using meta against anyone that isn't a complete vet, but I think when a person says they screwed the town with their inactivity and apologize for it in their last game, it SHOULD be a red flag when that person posts little and avoids making cases or taking stands. But let's move past meta, because my case really hinges upon the fact that Alderan has been spreading around suspicion while avoiding the spotlight of actually making a case. We are about 6 hours out from the deadline. Alderan has been suspicious of Lyter, Acro, Matt, Grey, Zealos, Layabout, and now SLJ. But he has not really pressured any of these people (with the possible exception of Layabout, but I happen to disagree with him that Layabout's posts have been scummy). Instead, he posts a short reason why they are suspicious, immediately drops it, and moves on to someone else. I find that behavior to be very anti-town. Alderan is good enough to realize (yes, he is) that if you want reactions you need to actually push someone. He has given no reason for anyone whom he suspects to take him seriously, because he isn't really trying to convince the rest of us. He just wants to look like he is scumhunting, without actually doing it. Even now his vote is on Layabout because he had "been lurking, and when you do actually post it's just one liners or one liners with a lot quoted. You have provided nothing to the town". I find that strange because when I look at Layabout's filter I see him making it clear who he thinks is scummy and why, defending those thoughts, and pointing out voting that seems inconsistent. It is true that his filter is pretty sparse, but I definitely don't find it to be absent any substance and/or scummy. If Alderan was really going to choose a lurker why not Evan? Evan has an even shorter filter than Layabout's and has a poorly explained vote on Mattchew to top it off. Then there is Alderan's bungling of Greymist and gumshoe. There was no reason for him to wait on his Greymist case or act like he was still null towards gumshoe. And even after gumshoe came back without disproving Alderan's case, Alderan decides to vote Layabout instead of Greymist. Alderan keeps going through the song and dance of scum hunting, but he never actually gets around to doing it. Can we please start this game off on the right foot and lynch Alderan? About the Greymist/gumshoe thing. Yes it does make sense to wait on gumshoe to post. Why would I create a post saying why I think gumshoe is town BEFORE he actually defends himself. I was basing my analysis off of 2 posts, so I was not totally sure if I was indeed correct. Had I posted prior to his defense, I would have given him ammunition if he was in fact scum. That's not something I'm ever going to do. I try to let everyone defend themselves first. It just makes sense. I do agree with you about Evan, I just had not taken a look at his filter at the time and had not realized the extent of his lurkiness. As for Layabout, he's doing the same thing you accuse me of (being suspicious of a lot of people) but you make no note of it. Look back at his filter. Here are his suspicions: - Suspicious of Xatalos - Suspicious of Evantrees - Suspicious of Oberyn - Suspicious of Nicholas - Suspicious of Gumshoe - Suspicious of me - No longer suspicious of Oberyn. How can you ignore this (which literally makes up every single one of his posts) and focus on me. I'm at least generating discussion. Layabout has done NOTHING but lurk and cast suspicion. He votes for me, because he doesn't think that I think that he is scum and he thinks I am sheeping with SLJ. Compare the case against me and the case against Layabout. Use your head. Bitch i haven't even read xat or evan's or nicholas's posts. Upon reflection i think i will, gimme a sec | ||
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