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I like this setup, good one Bugs. | ||
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For shame. | ||
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For instance, are you treating T and TT as the same thing where mafia are concerned? | ||
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VisceraEyes for Ethical and Reasonable Treatment of Serial Killers | ||
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I solemnly swear by my honor as a good Liquidian that I shall not, through action or inaction, force the moderator to take ultimate punitive measures to ensure proper adherence by the remaining players to the rules set forth in the OP. That being said, I'm also presently /in to Aperture Mafia, so if you need my spot go for it. | ||
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Anyways, ongoing games, etc. etc. | ||
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....the most important MSPaint pictures in the whole sub-forum incoming. | ||
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.....I mean uh...please stop talking about ongoing games. XD | ||
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Heeeey...that kinda makes a really good AWFUL case for policy lynching a hydra! NOTED!!! :d | ||
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<3 = Drunken Ruination. | ||
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I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone that I'm town and definitely NOT scum this game, so feel free to take my posts as you would take them from a confirmed townie. Together, we're going to find the scum and we're going to eliminate the scum. If anyone has a problem with that, they're obviously scum. Smooches. | ||
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Moar wasted scum KP = more townies alive to find the scums. It's a good thing. | ||
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On March 18 2012 07:41 johnnywup wrote: I don't buy it from VE, no reason to reveal faction at this stage in the game when no one is even accusing you. You may be trying to get our subconscious trust from the very beginning. But I don't know. You could be lying but you could be telling the truth. It's too early to say which is more likely. But I've got an eye on you. Step one is establishing my innocence. You don't buy it, maybe some will. This is but a step along the path. Walk with me my son. | ||
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I can see skepticism in your weary eyes. Perhaps jaded by the scum's repeated attempts at manipulation? Deceit taking it's toll on your very soul? Those days are over. | ||
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I'm more interested in lynching inactives than any, because I've got opinions about people who don't post in a game that's impossible to play if people don't post. Very low opinions. I don't like them guys, and I want them to die. Discuss. | ||
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I see what you did there johnnywup, very slick. *wink* | ||
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On March 18 2012 08:00 Jackal58 wrote: I always feel like a winner when WBG dies. Bitch please. Take a couple of Midol and open a fresh box of bonbons. You're bleeding red all over the place. Jackal confirmed town / started early. It's going to be a good game. | ||
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I thought we were past these little games Jackal. | ||
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Allow me to further your read on me in whatever meager fashion I can. Do you have a query? | ||
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Other things that will make you seem more green to me, while we're on the subject...
Thanks for you interest! Gosh, I think this has been productive! | ||
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On March 18 2012 08:27 xsksc wrote: Yeah. Why do you think Jackal is town, already? I'm interested in the answer to this as well. I have my own reasons, and I've strategically omitted them for an occasion such as this! What fun! | ||
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On March 18 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote: I'm not completely sure but I'm inclined more to believe he's town. It has to do with the way he posts...he's attacking someone who accused him rather than being defensive with his words. If he knows hes innocent he has nothing to hide. The way I see it, he's thinking "if someones already accusing me, he must be scum". Of course, I could be overthinking things. But this isn't concrete evidence, and will probably change after different events. And who accused him and of what if you please johnnywup? Because that seems to be a big part of your reasoning - that Jackal was being defensively aggressive... | ||
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On March 18 2012 08:35 xsksc wrote: You mean, where he asked him if he rolled scum again? Okay.... He also rather crudely suggested that I'm acting scummy, johnny is right about that. | ||
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We'll have the scums on the run in no time, I can feel it. Together! | ||
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When I said Jackal was 'feigning' a read, I meant that he was, as Jackal said, 'yanking my chain'...that while I can see him thinking that the way I'm playing is "off" (this is a new style I'm trying out) he didn't really come to the ultimate conclusion that I'm scum based on my posts, and that he was instead faking a red-read on me to guage my reaction to the pressure. Because you're wrong, not only scum 'fake reads'...scum have to make 'fake cases' but both town and scum can 'fake reads' for any number of reasons. | ||
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We'll start with an easy one. What do you think about johnnywup's early contributions to the thread? jcarlsoniv left me with the feeling that he's...less than pleased...with johnnyboy. | ||
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On March 18 2012 09:31 johnnywup wrote: I'm town. If there's anything about me that makes me seem like scum, address it and i'll give my reasons on why I acted that way. Slow down there killer, my business with you is done for now. I was asking Jackal's opinion. | ||
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On March 18 2012 09:54 Jackal58 wrote: As long as you stop the Bill Murray nonsense. This like all other day 1s I start out in the dark. If you are not scum I will gladly enjoin you in the destruction of them. If you are scum I'll see you hang first. So go ahead and keep asking for medic protection and DT checks. I have an extra rope around here somewhere. Or ya know you could play like a real townie. Johhnyup has not tripped any scum alarms in me as yet. Doesn't mean anything yet. I'm not that astute on day 1. With that I am going to be off for the evening. The Dropkick Murphys and a case of Killians are calling me. All right all right, whatever. How's this for D1? He's tripped a scum-alarm for me, particularly where his read of you is concerned. I found it to be weak and wishywashy. He even goes so far as to clarify that his read of you is "likely to change"...twice he said it. Plus not having much of a reason to state in-thread that he had a town read on you. Like, I have a town read on you, but his first response to my line of questioning was like "I don't know, I can't explain, etc etc." I know exactly why I have a town read on you, and it's quite easy to explain (as I demonstrated). And while I hope that doesn't change, I would never say that it's "likely" to change because I'm working under the assumption that I'm right. So yeah, gonna go ahead and ##Vote: johnnywup ...and see what shakes loose. | ||
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I think we got a winner here guys. Ready, set, VOTE! | ||
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On March 18 2012 10:28 Nemesis wrote: Mind explaining your vote? I think that right now you guys are jumping on an easy bandwagon. johnnywup is a new player and this is his first game. Newbie mafias are more likely to lurk and be wishy washy with their post as you say. But he did take a stance that he thought jackal was town, which means that he is not avoiding the issue at all. It's interesting that you should say that Nemisis. Let's explore that line of thinking. Saying that you think someone is town, only to clarify twice that it's not based on any concrete evidence and is likely to change is absolutely not taking a stance...he backed off his read the very moment it was questioned. Secondly, why would scum be likely to 'avoid the issue' of someone being town or not? They know they're RIGHT! Scum love dishing out town reads sir! "Avoiding" is more behavior I'd expect when asking a scum about his scummates - like, if Jackal were scum, I'd say he was "avoiding" the issue of johnnywup being scum...but since I think he's town, I'm attributing it to townie reservation rather than scummy avoidance. What's the difference you might be asking? Well, simply put, johnnywup was "so bold" as to call Jackal town, while Jackal said no such thing of johnnywup. | ||
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On March 18 2012 10:31 xsksc wrote: While I certainly dislike what I've seen of him so far, I hesitated to add a vote to my post on him, simply because I'm not sure if he's posting that way because he's a brand new townie, or if there is a scum motive to his posts. I don't think it's sensible to call for a bandwagon on him THIS early in the game, give it some time (we have practically the whole day left). If nothing much has changed when it comes to lynch time, sure, I'm totally up for lynching fuck out of him. No need to rush into things though, let's use all this time we've got! We're able to switch our vote. Right now, I think johnnywup is our best shot of hitting scum, so there's no reason to dance around the issue. If you think he's scum, you should be voting for him. I'm certainly not above changing my vote to a better candidate should one arise, but considering his posting so far, that's not likely as far as I'm concerned. But yeah, take time if you need it. I don't. I wanna lynch that dude. | ||
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On March 18 2012 10:40 johnnywup wrote: i'm bad at the game first game, that might be a reason why im so bold @_@ i dont know when or when not to be bold with reads. Yet you seem to know enough to immediately backpedal on a read because "then you'd be a prime lynch candidate". Why is that again, exactly? | ||
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And with that town, I'm off for to celebrate Drinking Day. Adieu. | ||
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Go read XLVIII, Toadesstern, being one of the resident newer player scum members on the team, fake-claimed Doctor and introduced enough doubt into the town to help power through 2 no-lynches before we threw it all in at the end. This was after being advised against doing such a thing. And you're telling me that you believe that not even 3 hours into the game, scum are dictating what their potential "newer players" are typing in-thread? Something tells me you haven't played scum many times here. At any rate, good luck with defending the indefensible, because as little reason as you think I have to be attacking him, that's exactly as little reason you have for defending him unless you know something I don't. You say he's a new player - I say I'm calling out new player scum mistakes. Now if you're done, I've got a scum to lynch. | ||
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I'm willing to entertain Nemesis as a secondary candidate, but I'd like to see more of his posting that isn't just defending jdub. | ||
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On March 19 2012 06:18 xsksc wrote: VE, what do you think of sloosh and his case on me? Does it look like a possible chainsaw defence to you? It's a case, and it's in no way a chainsaw defense. A chainsaw defense implies that he was attacking you because you're attacking johnnywup, when it's clear from his posts that he's attacking you because he finds your behavior suspicious. How do you think we should be spending our time xsk, if not voting for who we find suspicious? You made it clear that at this point in time that you're only really interested in voting for johnnywup to avoid a no-lynch, so is there anyone you'd like to lynch because you think they're scum? | ||
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On March 19 2012 06:45 Tobon wrote: So, VE, you don't think it's a chainsaw defense, but you aren't very clear about what you think of Sloosh's case. Is Xsksc looking scummy in your eyes because of it, then? Or are you just defending Sloosh? I'm withholding my thoughts on the case until I see an adequate defense of it. | ||
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I'm making dinner and lurking, that's what you get from me right now. | ||
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On March 19 2012 07:19 sandroba wrote: Hey. Let's lynch jackal just for kicks. Jonnywup I'm pretty sure is town. I kinda think VE is town too and I'm expecting him to carry me this game if his reads are half as good as they were in storm mafia. I'm confirmed town masoned with jcarl. Sup. Vote: Jackal Son, I am disappoint. | ||
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You're not confirmed anything, you're just much more likely town than idiot scum. | ||
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On March 19 2012 07:57 Tobon wrote: Okay, going back then: VE, why the unvote on Johnny? There was supposedly an explanation pending. There was never an explanation of my unvote pending. Don't worry about my unvote. Worry about your vote Tobon. You're not allowed to comment on ANYONE'S vote until you place your own - that's a new law I just enacted here in town. No one is allowed to comment on others' votes (or lack thereof) unless they've placed one of their own. Now, what there WAS incoming was my thoughts regarding Sloosh's case on xkxkxkjajekqnn. Personally I find the case to be a little strange. I can't really tell what about xsksc's behavior he actually finds scummy. Take this passage for instance. On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote: It's like mad libs, just replace "Jackal was town" with "johnnywup is scum" and xsksc's name with someone else's. Wishy washy about his read, giving obvious advice about using our time without actually doing it himself and keen to explain why he did not add a vote even though no one actually asked him. What does this mean? Let's take his advice and treat the quote as a Mad Lib and follow his instructions. On March 18 2012 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Then you posted your early game reads and said you thought johnnywup is scum, then when you're questioned about it, you instantly became wishy-washy about it. Reading your posts, I'm getting the feeling that you're posting for the sake of posting something, rather than trying to push a town agenda. You seem very keen to let everyone know how on the fence you are. Why? I fail to see how this exercise has in any way indicated that xsksc is scum at all. I fail to see how this indicates anything at all. Now, do I think slOosh is scum? Can't tell. First of all, he's at the very least willing to scumhunt...but his first 'case' is laughably bad, but I can't tell if it's bad in a scummy "let's make up some shit" kind of way or bad in a "this is suspicious, but I don't know how to say it" way. Right now I'm probably leaning town for the effort. | ||
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But yeah, obviously anyone who defends someone who flips scum will be taken under further scrutiny by default. | ||
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On March 19 2012 11:03 Probulous wrote: VE, can you respond to this please. In light of your unvote I can only assume you no longer intend for him to be lynched. Of course I intend for him to be lynched. Why would I vote for him otherwise? Silly questions. Don't worry about my vote. It's mine and I'll control it. You worry about your vote. Do something with it. | ||
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On March 19 2012 12:06 johnnywup wrote: I'd kill tobon. He's very dodgy with answers and wants to kill anyone thats popularly being voted for lynching. Very scummy. I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest. What about you? My voice is being virtually ignored in spite of me "dictating conversations". Pull the other one jdub. | ||
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Anyone else have any other fucking questions? | ||
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On March 19 2012 12:53 Probulous wrote: Fuck this ##Vote: VisceraEyes Maybe you'll play now. I'm not interested in "selling" johnnywup to anyone as a lynch. If you don't agree with me, that's fine. I'm interested in hearing some other options, but half the players are inactive. So yeah, good luck with your VE vote. Let's see what that shakes loose. | ||
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I don't want to have to go all OMGUS on you Probulous, so please understand that I know that you're better than to actually think I'm scum. | ||
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Yes, I talk a lot. What? You wanna fight about it? | ||
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On March 19 2012 14:06 Probulous wrote: No that's all I needed. I talk a lot too. I disagree with your read on Johnny but at least your actions now make sense. ##unvote ##Vote: Tobon What are your thoughts on Tobon? Actually, his latest post kinda alleviates any problems I've had with his play so far. I actually do remember reading something pretty off by him, but that last post kinda makes me wonder. Let me go reread and I'll make a more informed judgement. | ||
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On March 19 2012 10:12 Tobon wrote: oh yeah, boldness: ##vote Jackal58 On March 19 2012 14:08 Tobon wrote: Snarfs made a random Nemesis lynch vote but never made a case for it. On March 19 2012 14:12 Tobon wrote: EBWOP: ##unvote ##Vote: Snarfs Yup. ##Vote: Tobon | ||
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On March 19 2012 14:26 Tobon wrote: VE, why's that the bit that convinces you to vote me? Snarfs is simply one of the three that are semi-lurking, trying to fit in scum-feel. I realize I've said any number of things that someone might think is scummy, I just don't know why that in particular? Because your main defense is that you don't have faith in your scumhunting abilities and would rather lynch according to the majority....but your vote is on Snarfs, someone who no one has really mentioned as a lynch candidate to begin with. What happened to voting with the "confirmed townie" Sandroba? Wasn't that your plan for town success earlier? Why the sudden desire to lynch a lurker instead? | ||
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##Unvote: Tobon ##Vote: Jackal58 That do anything for ya? | ||
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##Unvote All right, I'm doing a full reread from the beginning. | ||
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That's enough for me to filter him after I'm done rereading though, thx Jackal. What are your thoughts on johnnywup and Snarfs? | ||
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On March 20 2012 02:22 Tobon wrote: Morning, all. I am reading TIPD scummiest of the three (TIPD/Snarfs/Dirkzor) semi-lurkers so far, because he's attempted to look the most involved while also contributing the least. And if you guys do end up lynching me today, and I flip town, be sure to notice how both TIPD and Snarfs are band wagoning to get it done. What has changed between last night when you said Snarfs is "the most suspicious of the semi-lurkers" and now when TIPD is "the most suspicious of the semi-lurkers"? | ||
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The fact of the matter is that Snarfs tried this as soon as pressure started building on him. Did anyone else notice that? | ||
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I reread Dirkzor, I don't mind that guy - is this some kind of mild OMGUS? | ||
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On March 20 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: I won't oppose [Snarfs] lynching though. I still haven't decided on my final vote. On March 20 2012 04:46 johnnywup wrote: Responding to dirkzor. I'm still leaning towards voting for tobon Don't the italicized statements kinda contradict each other? | ||
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Yeah, reading comprehension. | ||
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I'm disliking Jackal's contributions to the thread and their infrequency, but his tone has struck me as town enough. I'm undecided, and as you're unwilling to lynch me D1 in this pool, so am I unwilling to lynch Jackal D1 in this pool. | ||
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##Unvote: Snarfs ##Vote: Jackal 58 | ||
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-.- My brain hurts. I hope we're doing the right thing. | ||
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So for the record, you're saying you think that Jackal is town, correct? | ||
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Okay guys, what's up now? Medics on Sandroba/jcarlson, DTs on anyone not on the Jackal lynch, that's fucking what. | ||
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Good shit guys. | ||
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On March 20 2012 07:41 Jackal58 wrote: Fucking Jub Jubs. Mother Natures a cunt. GG to you too sir. | ||
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On March 20 2012 07:59 sandroba wrote: I'd like to point out that I knew jackal was scum before he knew himself he was scum. That's cause you're IMBA Sandroba. | ||
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Check scum instead. I have nothing to fear from a check, and with hitting scum D1, we have a check to spare...but I think the list of non-Jackal-voters is a good enough list to DT into. But that's just my opinion, and it's heavily biased with the information I have (my alignment.) e: My bad. Image Removed. | ||
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On March 20 2012 09:53 wherebugsgo wrote: the fuck lol VisceraEyes is given permission to edit out an ad that randomly appeared in his post. I have taken a screenshot of it and it has been noted that VisceraEyes' tastes in porn are incredibly strange. Original post, sans image: :S | ||
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On March 20 2012 09:58 johnnywup wrote: Lets see here. You're doubting your vote but you keep it because it's going to be lynch. then Except, the thing is, if I had removed my vote it would NOT have been a lynch. That's all there is to it, because Jackal was lynched with 7 and 7 only votes...if I had moved my vote to someone else, there would have been no lynch. On March 20 2012 09:58 johnnywup wrote: you say the wagon was too fast yet you think that those who didn't vote are candidates for scum. maybe they were on the same boat as you, his lynching came too fast and there weren't that many facts there so they withheld their vote (as opposed to you who voted anyways). Now jackal happened to be mafia. You and non-voters were on the same boat of the vote going too fast without that much substance to base it off. So thinking the non-voters are scum is thinking you yourself are scum. ...I did say the wagon built super-fast. That's a fact, Jackal went from having what, 2 votes? To SEVEN votes in the span of like 10 minutes. That's a fast wagon bro, I don't care where you are used to playing. However, the fact that I brought attention to this yet kept my vote on him is actually a town tell if you think about it. First of all, the fact that the wagon built so fast is absolutely a good reason to mistrust a wagon, and if I were Jackal's scumbuddy, I would have been sooooooooooo safe in just removing my vote and causing the no-lynch. Anyone who's played with me knows my stance on no-lynches...if I thought Jackal was town I would have forced a no-lynch regardless of my alignment because in my humble opinion, a no-lynch is better than a town-lynch. I, however, did not think Jackal was town, and kept my vote where it was. Anyone who wasn't on Jackal, was not on Jackal. You can speculate that it was because they thought the wagon built too fast, you can speculate that they thought he was town, you can speculate that they were scum...but the fact of the matter is that they were not on the Jackal wagon, and I was on the Jackal wagon, so my holding people not on the Jackal wagon accountable is not, as you put it "thinking I myself am scum"...and the leap you took to arrive at that conclusion is pretty staggering - I'm surprised your legs aren't broken. | ||
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So that brings me back to my original point: a check on me, while not wasted, is not optimal. I think there's more than enough information in the thread to determine my alignment and I think there's a hellified list to check into in non-Jackal-voters. My two cents. | ||
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Allow me to clear any doubt you have the old-fashioned way. Ask me questions you think ONLY TOWN VE will know, and I'll prove that I'm town. | ||
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You know what I don't like? The fact that the case you've made could have been made yesterday with the same accuracy and validity, yet you didn't. Why is that? | ||
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Eh? Yeah? No? It's cool, your case is weak enough without me debunking it or discrediting you - and I'm going to die, so you'll only have to explain yourself to everyone else tomorrow. But yeah, thanks. That's what I was looking for. | ||
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But you're wrong STILL because my scum play is in NO WAY irrational. Maybe you can share a few links? Maybe you can say what games you're referring to when you say my scum game is "irrational"? Maybe you're just talking out of your ass because you've never played any games with me ever? Who knows. I don't. I also don't care. If I'm alive tomorrow and you want to waste your vote AGAIN, town will punish you for it...providing they don't punish you for wasting your vote yesterday. It'd be much easier if you just accept the fact that you could be wrong (you are) and keep looking. EVEN IF YOU'RE RIGHT, I'm not going to be the only scum left. Look elsewhere. I promise you're wasting your time. Pinky swear, bro. m/ | ||
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2) See 1. I had a town read on him because of the level of aggressiveness. Go look at his first post in his scum games Sandroba. 3) I made a judgement call on jdub, and TO THIS MOMENT I feel like it was the right thing to do. I don't regret making the case on johnny, first of all it generated good discussion about what should/shouldn't be considered scummy and it ultimately gave me a certain level of thread-presence which has carried me all the way here. 4) I wouldn't say "spreading doubt" on your claim is entirely accurate or fair...you came in here saying you're "confirmed town"...but you're NOT Sandroba. In exactly the same way that Jackal wasn't confirmed town when I called him confirmed town, you're not confirmed town when you say you're confirmed town. Yes, it's VERY unlikely that scum would gambit claiming Masons, and I at no point thought that's what was happening...but if I'm being held to a standard, shouldn't you as well? 5) I was asking YOU about the wagon Sand, I wanted your opinion on the speed of it. It scared me how fast Jackal got run up the pole, and if that didn't worry you then I've got a whole different beef with you. Anything else I can clarify Sand? | ||
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That's what Sandroba meant by "confirmed town"...but regardless of the probability of it, it's still POSSIBLE, so he's actually not strictly speaking "confirmed". | ||
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On March 20 2012 12:14 sandroba wrote: Except for the fact that I got the whole thread to vote for jackal on my own. If that doesn't confirm me then I don't know what does. WHATEVER YOU JUST THINK I SUCK AND CAN'T BE RIGHT EVER MEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH .....I mean, uh.... Yeah Sandroba, you're definitely not scum this game. Cheerio. | ||
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I'm also assuming no GF because we flipped a framer, but again, I'm blissfully ignorant in regard to balance/setup. | ||
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Ugh...known setups which are actually really unknown. | ||
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C9++ The link above explains the setup this game was based on...it involves choosing 7 numbers at random 1-100 and those numbers end up corresponding to letters which determine the setup. Actually, it's not even safe to assume a DT either, because the roles are chosen at random to begin with. I mean, it seems kinda bastardmod to include a framer in a game that has no DTs, but the setup is random, so I don't know. This works out a lot better when there aren't unknown factors. | ||
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On March 20 2012 01:27 Jackal58 wrote: Anybody else see the problem here? There really was no wagon and what little of it there was could be argued jcarl started. However Dirkzor feels compelled to make more out of it than what anybody could possibly do. Plus the man really needs to start picking it up. He's posted less than I have and I spent yesterday without power. Mother nature is a bitch. What should we make of this post? The way I see it, there are two options, and I'd like to hear which is more likely from everyone.
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Especially you if you're scum and feeling in a particularly honest mood. lol No, I tend to agree with you - having been on scum teams with Jackal, he's not the biggest fan of bussing mates. Like, verbally opposing it when mentioned for the most part. Exceptions exist (he was all about bussing Sandroba in XLVIII when it became clear he wasn't playing with the rest of us) but the majority of the time, he'd much rather off a townie. | ||
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On March 21 2012 07:13 Nemesis wrote: Ok fine, I may have been tunneling you a bit VE. I admit that I may have been wrong about you. I'm willing to let go of lynching you, and look elsewhere for now. Any particular reason for the change of heart? | ||
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I ask because you were so tunneled in on me yesterday that you not only weren't hearing a single word I was saying to you, you were also so intent on voting me that you ignored the fact that we almost no-lynched, refusing to move your vote off me. This seems like opportunism. Is it not? | ||
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##Vote: slOosh For the record, this might be the fastest wagon ever. Not that it matters much at this point - we're not likely to get much resistance to any wagon we create even if it's on scum. | ||
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On March 21 2012 08:25 sandroba wrote: Well I don't really think that reasoning is valid, if I was scum in this spot I'd definitely sheep whoever all town is voting in order to avoid further suspicion. It's unlikely they can stop whatever wagon we decide without risking outing themselves a lot. That's not to say sloosh must be scum because of this, but I'm convinced he is our best bet as of now and we will probably end up lynching him at a later date anyway if not now. Since mafia kp is fixed we might as well get this over with. You ninja. You a boss. | ||
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Sandroba, of the people ON the Jackal wagon, who do you feel is most likely to be scum? | ||
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From town to scummy, going down. Green indicates no doubt. VisceraEyes - towniest town that ever towned a town sandroba - obviously mason, made Jackal lynch happen Snarfs - secured Jackal lynch. johnnywup - constant activity, not cracking under pressure indicating sincerity, hasn't raised a fuss about being called "jdub" Dirkzor - Jackal came back and, in my opinion, attempted to shift the vote to a townie. I don't think given his activity that he would have tried to shift the vote onto a scumbuddy to save himself. TIPD - second most vocally suspicious of Jackal D1. Switch to Jackal felt like genuine townie consolidation. xsksc - not afraid to give opinions, interacts with SlOosh and myself the most... So I guess the most likely to be scum would either be xsksc or TIPD? It's a tough call, everyone on the Jackal lynch is a SHINING STAR after going back with knowledge that Jackal is scum. Ultimately, I'm now more convinced that scum were playing for no-lynch yesterday. Several people on the wagon expressed doubt, and it would have been just too easy to cite "fear of speed/lack of resistance" and jump off. All the remaining scum can be found off the Jackal wagon. Tell me if this is too much of an intuitive leap. | ||
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This isn't so much about the fact that you didn't sheep sandroba. Games don't have that many blind sheep. Jackal made himself suspicious enough to gather that many votes by being inactive. The fact that you were willing to "sheep" sandroba on a Snarfs lynch "because town sandroba is boss", yet when sandroba calls for someone else, you vote for "no-lynch" over a null read is suspicious no matter what you give as your reasoning. Jackal was suspiciously silent, and this lynch didn't happen just because sandroba waved a magic wand. Your reasoning for not being on the lynch is inconsistent with your previous votes. | ||
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On March 21 2012 16:03 johnnywup wrote: What's everyones take on TIPD? They haven't contributed that much and have been fairly inactive.. As I said, TIPD was one of the first to actually agree that Jackal is at least moderately suspicious this game. The only thing I'm put off by is how little actual effort appears to be coming from the hydra - like, a bunch of their posts imply that they've been in communication and have reached a conclusion, but there's never any reasoning behind it...just the conclusion. | ||
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On March 19 2012 19:03 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: My town reads atm are VE - Contributing lots, active and pushing discusson sandro & jcarl - mason layabout - ofc what the hell is with me I'm not sure of Probulous but I think a DT should check him I think, Scummy in my opinion reads: Tobon - Look at his filter, he took easy potshots at the lurkers, ezpz way for reasonning as to reads and avoiding attention, oh and planning to sheep =_=. On the lurkers, I think we should keep on the pressure, I'm waiting on Jackal cause I never get a correct read on him(except in purgatory mafia mwahahahhaha) I'm gonna read up some past games of him as town and scum to compare, for reference to anyone that is going to compare Mafia, I will use MLP Mafia for his town games and TL Mafia XLVIII as for his scum games. I'm gonna talk about this with my other part as soon as I can. I'm gonna vote Tobon for now, I'm willing to switch to another person if a better on arises but for now, my eyes are on Tobon. ##Vote: Tobon /blue <3 <3 <3 I was referring to the bolded, but I did think the post you quoted was earlier in the day too. | ||
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Are you thinking a mass vote-switch? | ||
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I never filtered Probulous because reading slOosh's filter convinced me, I think I'm gonna go read that filter and see what I see. So if we vote-switch, you're saying Probulous is your preferred lynch? | ||
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Think you might have just saved yourself slOosh. Everyone on Probulous, GOGOGO! ##Vote: Probulous | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:56 Snarfs wrote: @slOosh: Can you point me to where your opinion changed on xsksc and what your reasoning is for no longer believing he is scum (or at least him not warranting your top 2 picks)? No time, go vote for Probulous. I wanna hit scum every day. E'ERY DAY I'M SCUM LYNCHIN SCUM LYNCHIN | ||
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On March 22 2012 07:08 Tobon wrote: I'd rather lynch slOosh, and I'll tell you why: the role block claim. I think Probulous and slOosh are both equally probable scum. And I see VE switching targets so that we won't flip slOosh, just as soon as the discussion about how unlikely 2 role blockers are died down a bit. So if slOosh is scum, we lynch scum (yay!), but if slOosh is town, we lynch VE tomorrow. Nono, I won't allow a mislynch. If we can't get all the necessary votes, I'm down with flipping slOosh. I'd just prefer a Probulous lynch at this point. For the sake of transparency, slOosh's alignment doesn't tell us anything about who blocked him...so if he flips town, it's just as possible that he was blocked by town that it is that he was blocked by scum. Likewise where I'm concerned...my alignment has nothing to do with who blocked me, and it has nothing to do with who blocked slOosh (if he's telling the truth about the block). | ||
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On March 22 2012 07:18 Probulous wrote: You seem to be forgetting I am on the other side of the world. I am here and posting but everyone else is in the middle of the night. So when I log on in the morning there are pages of stuff to read just before the deadline. Normally the deadlines are later so people are on later and I can push and drive discussion. You call it bickering, I call it putting VE in his place. He could well be scum, his vote to seal the Jackal lynch is what "confirms" him. He knew his case was shit yet he was actively pushing for the lynch. I even asked him if he intended to lynch Johnny and he made it clear that he did. Then he says he knew he case was weak. Are you telling me that discussion was useless? The thing that made him town in my mind was his Jackal vote. He could have pulled a Sloosh and said he wasn't sure, hell he thought he was town for most of the first day, but he hammered Jackal and for that he gets a town read. I explained why I was MIA. That post of Sloosh puts us in a WIFOM situation. Did he do it because he wanted town to reason he wouldn't do it as scum? I think VE's point about how it contradicts his earlier positioning on you is a great point that I missed. I also think it highly unreasonable that anyone would doubt a mason claim from you on day 1. It is way way way too risky a scum move and to assume otherwise is a huge logical fail. I just don't see Sloosh actually believing you could be scum. So what's the deal? Do you think slOosh is scum? This is a long post, and all I really get from it is you trying to discredit me in one paragraph and agreeing with me in another. I can't tell what you think of slOosh from this post. What's the point of this post? | ||
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Why am I "confirmed town" for my vote on Jackal? Why was I not scummy for defending Jackal (as sandroba seems to think) after Jackal flipped scum? Your attention was on me for the majority of the day, surely it didn't just escape your notice that I called him 'confirmed town' and was defending him for a fair portion of the day... Re: responding to slOosh's case - if you're town and think that slOosh is scum, you'd be interested in clearing your name with townies, not scum. Even in your response you say "you seem to be taking it seriously"...if it was about me, why didn't you respond to MY post on the matter, your townread, rather than slOosh's, your scumread? | ||
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On March 22 2012 07:53 Probulous wrote: Well there are a lot of posts to get through. I was working through them but realised answering everyone is not working. It doesn't matter to me where the case comes from. Your post mirrored his anyway. You are not scummy because you chose to vote for Jackal when you didn't have to. His lynch was basically everyone sheeping sandroba and you had made it clear you thought Jackal was town. Of all the people in this thread you had a reasonable explanation for not voting for Jackal. But you chose to nail him to the wall. I just don't see why you would buss a potentially strong scum buddy on day 1. The only one who was really pushing you was me. Sure sandroba was a little skeptical of you but you were in no danger of being lynched. The upside was minimal compared to losing a scum buddy. There is nothing wrong with defending someone who is scum. Everyone does that at some time in the game because we don't know who scum are. Your actions, namely your vote, clears you in my mind. I'll find your post and respond to it now. You really can't think of an upside? Really? | ||
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On March 22 2012 07:53 Probulous wrote: Well there are a lot of posts to get through. I was working through them but realised answering everyone is not working. It doesn't matter to me where the case comes from. Your post mirrored his anyway. You are not scummy because you chose to vote for Jackal when you didn't have to. His lynch was basically everyone sheeping sandroba and you had made it clear you thought Jackal was town. Of all the people in this thread you had a reasonable explanation for not voting for Jackal. But you chose to nail him to the wall. I just don't see why you would buss a potentially strong scum buddy on day 1. The only one who was really pushing you was me. Sure sandroba was a little skeptical of you but you were in no danger of being lynched. The upside was minimal compared to losing a scum buddy. There is nothing wrong with defending someone who is scum. Everyone does that at some time in the game because we don't know who scum are. Your actions, namely your vote, clears you in my mind. I'll find your post and respond to it now. Really really? | ||
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On March 22 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote: VE I don't understand your case. I am scum because I didn't think you were mafia after you voted for Jackal? What is wrong with my reasoning because it still makes sense to me? Votes > words in my opinion. Explain this to me because I am completely at a loss as to why this makes me scum. I am town and have followed the same logic I use every game so if there is something fundamentally wrong in my thinking, point it out. Otherwise I am going to get mis-lynched again. Does everyone else understand what VE is saying? I'm taking a step back. Maybe reread your filter. If you still look like scum, I'll try and explain it to you again. In the meantime, I'll just point out that the italicized statement in the quote above indicates inherent self-guilt. If you'll notice, there's a fair amount of resistance to switching off slOosh...but I'm sure it doesn't feel that way to you. | ||
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On March 20 2012 07:27 sandroba wrote: Yes, but cop should only claim on a red check or to save an innocent from lynch. DT check on VE would put my mind at ease. I guess sandroba is scum since only scum do this. | ||
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I defended Jackal for a fair amount of D1. How is that any different? What makes TIPD scum rather than me? | ||
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On March 21 2012 16:16 VisceraEyes wrote: As I said, TIPD was one of the first to actually agree that Jackal is at least moderately suspicious this game. The only thing I'm put off by is how little actual effort appears to be coming from the hydra - like, a bunch of their posts imply that they've been in communication and have reached a conclusion, but there's never any reasoning behind it...just the conclusion. Ultimately null. | ||
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And I read it as "I have a hard time reading Jackal, but we think he looks scummy"...obviously your mileage may vary. Although I will say this: TIPD was going to go through meta on Jackal to make an educated guess, but we never found out if they actually did do that and what they found. This was the only clue one way or the other. | ||
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On March 22 2012 13:56 wherebugsgo wrote: jcarlsoniv, town Mason has been modkilled. + Show Spoiler + biatch I modkilled you! Does this mean we can't talk about jcarlson? I forgot to ask sandroba about jcarlson's reads. :OOO | ||
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##Unvote: Probulous ##Vote: slOosh Not sure how I feel about it, given the roleblock claim. If it's legit, initial reaction is that he's probably town...but going back over his filter, he doesn't do anything like blue-slip or lurk or anything. I can't imagine why scum would roleblock him. So, if I had to guess, I'd say that it was town who roleblocked him and scum who roleblocked me. Obviously speculation, but it at least puts my mind at ease about flipping slOosh...the chances are much greater that slOosh is scum (in my eyes) since it appears that town RB'd slOosh. If anyone has any serious reservations about slOosh flipping, now is the time guys. If we want to switch targets, we need to start talking about it now. I'm okay with slOosh flipping, myself. | ||
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In addition to what slOosh has said, he claims that he thought I was scum until the Jackal lynch - that the Jackal lynch was the only thing that "confirms" me. Yet he unvotes long before the flip - he was content with my defense against his points, but still is not satisfied with my explanations. His stories are conflicting. I prefer a Probulous lynch. | ||
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As far as I can see, Probulous' reasoning for suspecting me is the following:
The thing about his read though is that it changed over the course of our interactions. Why? My reasoning was never sufficient for him. I never refuted is point about not wanting to kill johnny. My actions, strictly speaking, should still be inconsistent, and he should still be suspicious of me. But he proceeds to unvote after I say that I talk a lot. Before the Jackal flip. Yet when pressured about the reasoning for pushing me yesterday as scum, this was Probulous' response. On March 22 2012 07:18 Probulous wrote: You seem to be forgetting I am on the other side of the world. I am here and posting but everyone else is in the middle of the night. So when I log on in the morning there are pages of stuff to read just before the deadline. Normally the deadlines are later so people are on later and I can push and drive discussion. You call it bickering, I call it putting VE in his place. He could well be scum, his vote to seal the Jackal lynch is what "confirms" him. He knew his case was shit yet he was actively pushing for the lynch. I even asked him if he intended to lynch Johnny and he made it clear that he did. Then he says he knew he case was weak. Are you telling me that discussion was useless? The thing that made him town in my mind was his Jackal vote. He could have pulled a Sloosh and said he wasn't sure, hell he thought he was town for most of the first day, but he hammered Jackal and for that he gets a town read. I explained why I was MIA. That post of Sloosh puts us in a WIFOM situation. Did he do it because he wanted town to reason he wouldn't do it as scum? I think VE's point about how it contradicts his earlier positioning on you is a great point that I missed. I also think it highly unreasonable that anyone would doubt a mason claim from you on day 1. It is way way way too risky a scum move and to assume otherwise is a huge logical fail. I just don't see Sloosh actually believing you could be scum. Then why the unvote before the flip? What about my defense was the most compelling Probulous? Because the whole paragraph before you explain how I was "confirmed" for you, you spent describing how I'm still suspicious according to your reasoning. If you thought I was scum before Jackal flipped, why did you unvote when you did? Why weren't you voting for me to be lynched with Nemesis?+ Show Spoiler + I think you were setting yourself up to do whatever you wanted today, according to town sentiment. I think you knew Jackal would flip scum, but just in case sandroba pushed for my lynch today (he's said he's suspicious of me several times this game,) you could jump on-board with no repercussions. ##Unvote: slOosh ##Vote: Probulous | ||
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Probulous is verbose, so if you think he's making sense as town, you have to assume he's capable of making sense as scum. Explain what's so frustrating about this game. | ||
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On March 23 2012 02:22 Tobon wrote: Finally, I can't quite put my finger on the exact analogy, but this really feels like a Monty Hall Problem to me, where a switch is always statistically better, no matter what your original choice. I'm sure it doesn't feel that way to Probulous, regardless of his alignment. | ||
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On March 23 2012 05:01 johnnywup wrote: also tobon monty hall doesnt apply here because no persons role was revealed during a vote There's also not guaranteed to be scum inside our lynch candidates, technically speaking. That is unless you know something we don't. It's an interesting analogy though... | ||
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That being said, everything I said in my case I've already said to you. You just skipped over it or didn't understand it. *shrug* | ||
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You expect me to believe that you thought I was scum with malicious intent and an agenda, and you just took for granted that I'm town because I admitted that my case 20 minutes into the game wasn't strong? That's what you're selling to me? | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:01 Snarfs wrote: Well... I hope either way we get some good info out of this. Well, we'll have to pretty much policy lynch me tomorrow if Probulous is town, so I'm hoping he's scum. | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:11 Probulous wrote: I want to die already That's not a very helpful attitude guy. I hope you're not mad at me. | ||
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And for my next trick, I'll derp around for three days trying to find the last mafia! *rolls up sleeves* | ||
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Medics, take a coin. Flip it. Heads, protect me. Tails, protect Sandroba. IF it lands on its edge, pick one of Snarfs/johnnywup to protect. DTs, you should every single one of you be on Nemesis. If he's town we gotta know about it...like now. Vigs, open fire. I repeat, open fire on all targets not on the Probulous lynch. Roleblockers, if you're town, gtfo me. It's a waste. Block scum. If you're scum, come get some more bitch. | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:27 johnnywup wrote: Tobon I know but it's still possible they bussed jackal. Not possible they bussed Probulous. Why is that not possible? | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:30 johnnywup wrote: It just seems like its impossible to win for scum if they lose their GF at this stage. We way outnumber them and have the power role lead almost definitely. They can't afford to lose anyone. The vote was decided in the last minute AGAIN sir...the last scum could have been voting for Probulous not thinking he'd get lynched or something...hiding from the mislynch or something. It happens bro, don't rule anything out. | ||
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On March 23 2012 08:01 johnnywup wrote: i wasn't talking about that at all. I was talking about the "...is someone who has to die before lylo". Which is an absurd statement considering its likely we have 1 scum left. Why should we be worried about lylo? Because NOW we have the mislynches to spare. Later on we won't. We either kill him tomorrow, or we don't...but if we don't and we mislynch, then that's one less mislynch to spare in case he IS town and killing him is a mislynch. We have to have an extra mislynch in case he's town. | ||
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On March 23 2012 08:02 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: Is it bad that i'm annoyed at how dumb that switch was? Oh well, time to go 3/3. and kill Nemesis I wish i could have had an answer to this earlier. Dirkzor, do you still think that slOosh is scum? What are you talking about "how dumb that switch was"? | ||
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A little bit ago the Mod posted: Probulous the Scum Godfather has been lynched. That's the point. Where's this negativity coming from TIPD? Pissed off all your buddies are dead? Getting lonely? | ||
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On March 23 2012 08:43 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: VE, what are you even talking about? I guess you don't have anything to add to the conversation since you're reducing everything that's happening down to "Where's this negativity comingfrom" right? So can you refrain from posting unless you have something constructive to add? Fucks sake. You're toast tomorrow. Fuck Nemesis, you die D3. 3 and out baby. | ||
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On March 19 2012 19:03 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: My town reads atm are VE - Contributing lots, active and pushing discusson sandro & jcarl - mason layabout - ofc what the hell is with me I'm not sure of Probulous but I think a DT should check him I think, Scummy in my opinion reads: Tobon - Look at his filter, he took easy potshots at the lurkers, ezpz way for reasonning as to reads and avoiding attention, oh and planning to sheep =_=. On the lurkers, I think we should keep on the pressure, I'm waiting on Jackal cause I never get a correct read on him(except in purgatory mafia mwahahahhaha) I'm gonna read up some past games of him as town and scum to compare, for reference to anyone that is going to compare Mafia, I will use MLP Mafia for his town games and TL Mafia XLVIII as for his scum games. I'm gonna talk about this with my other part as soon as I can. I'm gonna vote Tobon for now, I'm willing to switch to another person if a better on arises but for now, my eyes are on Tobon. ##Vote: Tobon /blue <3 <3 <3 DING-DING-DING-DING D1, Probulous is not only on TIPD's town reads (at least that's what I assume from the words "town" and "reads"), but TIPD also feels it's prudent for our DTs to check Probulous over his scum reads or even the lurkers he's looking into. We have a winner guys. Vigs, I'll be ur best friend if you put a hole in TIPD's head. THX GUY!! | ||
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On March 23 2012 13:29 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: We will go down fighting till the last drop of amphibian blood!!!! Just surrender guys. You're lynched tomorrow. We win right? | ||
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He scum-claimed. This is over. | ||
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Medics on me. We win this tomorrow. | ||
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Scum were very passive this game, which made it hard to find them at first...but when the flips started happening, it was over. Things I would have done differently: NOT shot differently. Their D1 shot was good, because Sandroba was a good choice for medics and I hadn't really done much besides call Jackal "confirmed town" D1 and sheeped Sandroba. Killing me would have been silly at the point where they made the choice to shoot with the info they had. I WOULD have been more active in trying to incriminate me D2. First of all, anyone who plays with me knows I'm prone to emotional outbursts regardless of alignment...scum could have accused me of defending Jackal and introduced at least a little doubt into the D2 vote. From there, I might have lost my shit, or I might have given up depending on the level of derp that ensued. I disagree that Snarfs' possible modkill was the turningpoint. This game would have been MUCH more interesting if Jackal hadn't run into circumstances that forced him to "lurk" most of the game. I was a little disappointed when JubJub and GoT started taking precedence over this game for Sandroba, especially considering how completely we were dominating. Sadface. Luckily, we didn't "need" him to win...only his vote. Which thankfully came as scheduled. | ||
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Subsequently, when TIPD came in and accused me and Probulous of "shitting up the thread", I knew he was scum. I mean, I couldn't have asked for better cooperation and openness from everyone, and everyone (pretty much) was succinctly answering any questions I had. The fact that TIPD thought we were "shitting up the thread" indicated to me that he wasn't looking at the thread the same way I was. He was looking for something different. | ||
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On March 24 2012 02:04 sandroba wrote: Rofl, nice work guys! ##Fistpound Interestingly, your single contribution (the Jackal quick-switch) might have been the most important thing in the game. Well done sir. | ||
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Early on I decided to go with a confident, authoritative tone because given my recent successful reads in Storm and [redacted], not only did I think my openness and fearlessness set an example for the newer townies, but it gave me genuine confidence in my reads. That's probably why I pushed johnnywup harder than I should have D1 and probably why a lot of townies might have been onboard with a VE lynch D2 if things had gone differently. The risk, however, was worth it. | ||
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If Jackal had put ANY effort in, I would have fought his lynch D1. I was able to sway public opinion of Probulous when he wasn't around to combat this situation. We can talk all day about the thread atmosphere and who pulled through on the town end, but these were contributing factors to town's victory in this game. Not to downplay what we accomplished here...just sayin. We had help. | ||
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On March 24 2012 03:09 sandroba wrote: Wow don't down play my contributions =P. Didn't I instigate the whole probulous switch? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321159¤tpage=36#707 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321159¤tpage=36#710 But yeah, you guys did most of the heavy lifting. ##Fistpound No, that was an exaggeration obviously. You also commented on the Jackal-wagon after the flip as I requested and you generally cooperated passively late-game including joining the Probulous wagon which was pivotal. That was harsh, I was just annoyed seeing you posting in the other games. We coo'. | ||
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On March 24 2012 04:15 jaj22 wrote: EchelonTee: Not really. More a victory that shows the positive side of sheeping, as long as you pick a near-confirmed town veteran to sheep Towards the end of day 1, there are no strong or popular cases. Sandroba calls a late switch on Jackal, who's not playing much scummier than usual. I'm not sure Sandroba thought it was much better than a 50/50 shot, given that he wanted an even later switch to Sloosh. Picks up five town votes not including his mason buddy and a terrible bus. Scum unravels from there. If Sandroba picks a townie, it's a totally different game. This was always a risk in the game with Sandroba as mason, but scum could have reduced the risk by pushing a case harder themselves. All three scum were pretty quiet. Sloosh's day 2 play was decent, but then his day 1 performance was bad and that got him into trouble in the first place. This idea of lurking day 1 because you're prone to tunnelling otherwise is not good. VE's new style freaked me out. Something about the way he toned down his language. Probably worked though, as he wasn't alienating as many people as usual despite the early noob-tunnelling. Is it any different than veterans who tend to lurk early to avoid night-kills? Or scum who lurk early to hide in lurkers? I didn't see it as bad as just a style of play thing. slOosh really pulled through with contributing in the end. | ||
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On March 24 2012 04:19 Toadesstern wrote: yeah agree, I said that in the obs-QT as well: I really dislike those mafia players who are just lurking. Yes it can work out, especially if you got a bunch of lurkers in town as well to hide between but it's some kind of an all-in, There is no problem at all to post early on as mafia. Town has no idea what's going on, just post as if you roled VT and you're fine as long as you're rereading your posts before pressing "post" to check for scumslips; although I still think there's no such thing as a scumslip, at least when talking about people who aren't using english as their native tongue because you guys saw me "scumslip" several times as a townie as well, just because I posted something with german grammar after rearranging my post, so that happens as well and imo you have no idea how to figure out if it's a townie slip because english is not his 1st language or a mafia slip but whatever. Prob did good imo once Jackal died. His defence on d2 was decent, at least about the stuff he was asked and it made sense. Obviously him not doing a shit on d1 and suddenly starting to bust out like that after Jackal looked weird and it was hard to explain that he suddenly cared so much about the game when he did not 24 hours ago. Except for the fact that he did not do that d1 as well, he did a decent game imo. I can attest to this, in XLVIII there were a couple times where I was literally like "TOAD DAMNIT YOU JUST CLAIMED SCUM IN THE THREAD WHAT THE HOLY FUCK" Yeah, I go overboard sometimes. | ||
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On March 24 2012 04:22 Toadesstern wrote: well veterans do that for a reason. If you are foolish and you know you're going to have a list that is 99% dead on by the end of d3, be my guest and lurk the first few days to survive but in sloOshs case it made no sense. I don't think he is capable of doing that (no offence, I am neither) and I don't think he is capable to lead town yet, because people don't know if he's capable to do that or not. slOosh wasn't doing it to try and lead town later - his reasoning was different if I'm understanding correctly. He's trying to avoid tunneling D1 to cut down on the possibility of "confirmation bias" later on and look less scummy overall (lurking>tunneling). | ||
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On March 24 2012 04:50 SamuelLJackson wrote: Also for fairness snarfs should have been modkilled imo (but not banned or anything). Yes, it was the hosts fault for not giving out the standard role pms, but it fucked scum over a lot. QFT. I wouldn't have begrudged a modkill in this instance...it was clear rule infraction and leaving him alive gave us one more vote we would have had to win over otherwise. Look at the Jackal lynch, for instance. | ||
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The thing about little prods is that in larger games, prods like that can get lost in the shuffle, even in a relatively chilled thread environment. By focusing on one player and forcing that one player to respond before you do anything else, you not only put yourself out there for people to read you (that should be your number one goal as a town aligned player, regardless of role), you also are sure to not get lost in the shuffle. Get page bumped? Blame it on his scumteam and ask again! | ||
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No, I take that back. Some stuff needs other stuff. Additional stuff. I'll PM you later. But this game should certainly be noted somewhere on the Library. And you're getting nominated for Mod Award for this game too (I think those exist right? No? We're makin one) for the effort overall. Next one should have an SK obv obv. | ||
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TBH the real meat of that statement was the "started early" part, joking that he was already drunk-posting LMAO I had an early town read on Jackal to be sure, for how he called me out on my early posting, but it wasn't as strong as anyone actually believes. Everyone focused on the wrong thing and EVERYONE missed the joke. | ||
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Overall you did really well johnny, and I mean that. We did it! We smashed the scumteam together! | ||
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On March 24 2012 15:30 Toadesstern wrote: I feel like it's kind of hard to judge individual play this game, especially for town. Town did incredible good and after the very nice Jackal lynch the game was basicly already won. I mean the guys who are not considered to be vets sheeped the confirmed townie vet and that guy ended up being dead on right d1. It was the right decision to do that as a townie but it gives little to analyze about those people because they did little on their own. I liked Nemesis a lot the first couple of hours (the first RL-day) and the fact that he was not blindly following without thinking this trough although he should have realized what was going on later on. That kind of asking questions really is a nice town treat although people gave him a hard time for not just accepting what was said in the thread. VE did a good job d2 and d3. Sandroba did a nice job given that he was kind of mod-confirmed and didn't have to prove his alignment. That's btw the reason I really like the nooby mafia games. I'm not so sure it was a good game to learn from for townies. I doubt the new guys understood why Sandroba wanted Jackal dead and he still hasn't explained his thoughts behind his d1 and d2 actions which still leaves me uncertain what his plan was d2 when he "sheeped" the rest like VE. I got a couple of guesses and I think those could be right but I'm not certain. And at the same time everyone else was following Sandroba without doing a lot themselves, because he's Sandroba after all. Sure sometimes you need to know when to shut up and just sheep the good guys but it took away a lot of work from other people and that's what is going to improve your play naturally. I think you're putting too much stock in vote analysis Toad - the players you're saying weren't providing anything useful by sheeping were, in fact, providing something useful...they had spent all day and would spend all night establishing their towniness by other means. While it's true that they could have reached their own conclusion more often than they did, I think that by cooperating in the effort they contributed FAR more than voting for whoever THEIR best read was and allowing a no-lynch to happen. | ||
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On March 24 2012 15:38 DimmuKlok wrote: I for one was surprised to see the VE tuned out to be a medic. I personally thought he was a good mafia player, until all the mafia started dying... Quote of the thread. Thank you Dimmu. Yes, I realize it wasn't a compliment. | ||
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On March 24 2012 16:42 SamuelLJackson wrote: Yeah VE is pretty good. I'm proud he joined mafia after the noobie game he played for stupid reasons. To be honest, I'm not really sure what you're saying here. Do you mean after my horrific showing in SNMMII? | ||
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