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Toad_in_Pink_Dress
Profile Joined March 2012
United States50 Posts
March 21 2012 20:15 GMT
#721
I am about to take a trip to indonesia and slap my other head across the face with a wet fish for out-lurking me when i am still alive in another game.

Nemesis what is your current stance on VE?
all glory to the hypnotoad!
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
March 21 2012 21:41 GMT
#722
Ok did a whole reread of thread.
On March 20 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote:
Remember people, the ones that we are really looking after are people that are actively avoiding to say anything that could be considered scummy, trying to blend in and hide, while not actually doing anything thing useful

First pick is Probulous:

Upon rereading the thread, ALL his activity D1 centered around a defense of johnnywub. All of it. There is no indication of desire to scumhunt. He acknowledges that he had suspicions on me due to my interactions with xsksc but did not push his case, nor did he even ask any probing questions to get a better read. Even when he moves his vote to Tobon after he has his scuffle with VE, he doesn't pursue a stronger read.

Conclusion: I think that he chose an easy way to look active by defending a townie (notably after Sandroba gives his johnny is town read - contrast to Nemesis who defended him from a poor case before anyone gave such reads). Blending in and not doing anything useful ( I expressed how I think his case on me had holes in them)

I'll put my money where my mouth is:
##Vote Probulous

Next is TIPD:
Just pull up his filter. I've expressed this sentiment on D1 and I still do. Lurking and not really putting in any effort.
He is on the Jackal wagon but I don't think it is too far fetched to think it was bus. People were piling votes on him and it only met "resistance" when I did a no-lynch vote 10 minutes before deadline. However the need for a hammer was unforseeable and so I can see mafia bussing.

Conclusion: No original effort evident. "go with the flow" attitude.

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
March 21 2012 21:42 GMT
#723
On March 22 2012 05:15 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
I am about to take a trip to indonesia and slap my other head across the face with a wet fish for out-lurking me when i am still alive in another game.

Nemesis what is your current stance on VE?


What is your stance on me and Probulous?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 21:51 GMT
#724
I noticed that about Probulous too slOosh...the biggest actual stance he took yesterday was that I was scum based on my attack on johnnywup, which he ended up dissolving before the final vote stuff started happening. And after Jackal flipped scum, he didn't even look twice at me - just immediately voted for slOosh. If he were town and he had even an inkling that I was scum, wouldn't he be more convinced that I'm scum when Jackal (someone I called confirmed town early on and defended for a lot of D1) flipped scum?

Think you might have just saved yourself slOosh. Everyone on Probulous, GOGOGO!

##Vote: Probulous
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 21:51 GMT
#725
Alright I just got in to work. Going to read up on and respond shortly.

I am Town, Vanilla Town, lynch Sloosh.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
March 21 2012 21:56 GMT
#726
@slOosh:

Can you point me to where your opinion changed on xsksc and what your reasoning is for no longer believing he is scum (or at least him not warranting your top 2 picks)?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:00 GMT
#727
On March 22 2012 06:56 Snarfs wrote:
@slOosh:

Can you point me to where your opinion changed on xsksc and what your reasoning is for no longer believing he is scum (or at least him not warranting your top 2 picks)?


No time, go vote for Probulous. I wanna hit scum every day. E'ERY DAY I'M SCUM LYNCHIN SCUM LYNCHIN
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 22:03 GMT
#728
On March 21 2012 22:23 slOosh wrote:
As for who I would start discussion about it would be Probulous.
For someone who has closely watched my posting in my newbie games, it doesn't make sense that he would use raw meta to "set the tone" - he knows the failure that was my SNMMVII game (where I was VT) and yet still assumes that meta is viable, as if I didn't want to improve my play.


Everyone wants to improve and I know you are changing your style. The point is the only evidence we have on your meta is your newbie games so to dismiss it as "it was a newbie game" is stupid. Anyway that isn't the meat of the case.

He gives off lurking vibes, especially so since I've seen his scumhunting / discussion driving nature. The only thing he has talked about after D1 is me - I'd think he would move on to find the "last scum" as there isn't any serious opposition to my lynch.


You are scum my friend. Nothing you have done since then makes me think otherwise. As for finding the last scum, I find them one at a time. We still have a whole day before the night and then another two days before the next lynch. There is still plenty of time to find your buddy/s.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
March 21 2012 22:04 GMT
#729
On March 22 2012 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:56 Snarfs wrote:
@slOosh:

Can you point me to where your opinion changed on xsksc and what your reasoning is for no longer believing he is scum (or at least him not warranting your top 2 picks)?


No time, go vote for Probulous. I wanna hit scum every day. E'ERY DAY I'M SCUM LYNCHIN SCUM LYNCHIN

No time? We have a full day
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:05 GMT
#730
On March 22 2012 07:04 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:56 Snarfs wrote:
@slOosh:

Can you point me to where your opinion changed on xsksc and what your reasoning is for no longer believing he is scum (or at least him not warranting your top 2 picks)?


No time, go vote for Probulous. I wanna hit scum every day. E'ERY DAY I'M SCUM LYNCHIN SCUM LYNCHIN

No time? We have a full day


Sshhhhhh...
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 21 2012 22:08 GMT
#731
I'd rather lynch slOosh, and I'll tell you why: the role block claim.

I think Probulous and slOosh are both equally probable scum. And I see VE switching targets so that we won't flip slOosh, just as soon as the discussion about how unlikely 2 role blockers are died down a bit.

So if slOosh is scum, we lynch scum (yay!), but if slOosh is town, we lynch VE tomorrow.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 21 2012 22:10 GMT
#732
Probulous...your defense is saying he's scum rather than addressing what he said? -_-
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:16 GMT
#733
On March 22 2012 07:08 Tobon wrote:
I'd rather lynch slOosh, and I'll tell you why: the role block claim.

I think Probulous and slOosh are both equally probable scum. And I see VE switching targets so that we won't flip slOosh, just as soon as the discussion about how unlikely 2 role blockers are died down a bit.

So if slOosh is scum, we lynch scum (yay!), but if slOosh is town, we lynch VE tomorrow.


Nono, I won't allow a mislynch. If we can't get all the necessary votes, I'm down with flipping slOosh. I'd just prefer a Probulous lynch at this point.

For the sake of transparency, slOosh's alignment doesn't tell us anything about who blocked him...so if he flips town, it's just as possible that he was blocked by town that it is that he was blocked by scum. Likewise where I'm concerned...my alignment has nothing to do with who blocked me, and it has nothing to do with who blocked slOosh (if he's telling the truth about the block).
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 22:18 GMT
#734
On March 22 2012 02:05 sandroba wrote:
SlOosh is behaving like townie right now and probulous doesn't seem to care too much about this game. I heard from someone that he is normally very good and very active. Day1 he spent the whole day bickering about your unvote on johnny and going around in circles. Also no one (besides you) really tried to keep votes away from jackal and probulous was mia at that time. His argument about slOosh trying to distance himself from jackal with that post right before the lynch does not make sense, because that post actually accomplishes the opposite.


You seem to be forgetting I am on the other side of the world. I am here and posting but everyone else is in the middle of the night. So when I log on in the morning there are pages of stuff to read just before the deadline. Normally the deadlines are later so people are on later and I can push and drive discussion.

You call it bickering, I call it putting VE in his place. He could well be scum, his vote to seal the Jackal lynch is what "confirms" him. He knew his case was shit yet he was actively pushing for the lynch. I even asked him if he intended to lynch Johnny and he made it clear that he did. Then he says he knew he case was weak. Are you telling me that discussion was useless?

The thing that made him town in my mind was his Jackal vote. He could have pulled a Sloosh and said he wasn't sure, hell he thought he was town for most of the first day, but he hammered Jackal and for that he gets a town read.

I explained why I was MIA. That post of Sloosh puts us in a WIFOM situation. Did he do it because he wanted town to reason he wouldn't do it as scum? I think VE's point about how it contradicts his earlier positioning on you is a great point that I missed. I also think it highly unreasonable that anyone would doubt a mason claim from you on day 1. It is way way way too risky a scum move and to assume otherwise is a huge logical fail. I just don't see Sloosh actually believing you could be scum.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:24 GMT
#735
On March 22 2012 07:18 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 02:05 sandroba wrote:
SlOosh is behaving like townie right now and probulous doesn't seem to care too much about this game. I heard from someone that he is normally very good and very active. Day1 he spent the whole day bickering about your unvote on johnny and going around in circles. Also no one (besides you) really tried to keep votes away from jackal and probulous was mia at that time. His argument about slOosh trying to distance himself from jackal with that post right before the lynch does not make sense, because that post actually accomplishes the opposite.


You seem to be forgetting I am on the other side of the world. I am here and posting but everyone else is in the middle of the night. So when I log on in the morning there are pages of stuff to read just before the deadline. Normally the deadlines are later so people are on later and I can push and drive discussion.

You call it bickering, I call it putting VE in his place. He could well be scum, his vote to seal the Jackal lynch is what "confirms" him. He knew his case was shit yet he was actively pushing for the lynch. I even asked him if he intended to lynch Johnny and he made it clear that he did. Then he says he knew he case was weak. Are you telling me that discussion was useless?

The thing that made him town in my mind was his Jackal vote. He could have pulled a Sloosh and said he wasn't sure, hell he thought he was town for most of the first day, but he hammered Jackal and for that he gets a town read.

I explained why I was MIA. That post of Sloosh puts us in a WIFOM situation. Did he do it because he wanted town to reason he wouldn't do it as scum? I think VE's point about how it contradicts his earlier positioning on you is a great point that I missed. I also think it highly unreasonable that anyone would doubt a mason claim from you on day 1. It is way way way too risky a scum move and to assume otherwise is a huge logical fail. I just don't see Sloosh actually believing you could be scum.


So what's the deal? Do you think slOosh is scum? This is a long post, and all I really get from it is you trying to discredit me in one paragraph and agreeing with me in another. I can't tell what you think of slOosh from this post. What's the point of this post?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:26 GMT
#736
Also, I'm going to be playing the part of the wall you have to bang your head against today Probulous...good luck sir.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 22:30 GMT
#737
On March 22 2012 06:41 slOosh wrote:
Upon rereading the thread, ALL his activity D1 centered around a defense of johnnywub. All of it. There is no indication of desire to scumhunt. He acknowledges that he had suspicions on me due to my interactions with xsksc but did not push his case, nor did he even ask any probing questions to get a better read. Even when he moves his vote to Tobon after he has his scuffle with VE, he doesn't pursue a stronger read.

Conclusion: I think that he chose an easy way to look active by defending a townie (notably after Sandroba gives his johnny is town read - contrast to Nemesis who defended him from a poor case before anyone gave such reads). Blending in and not doing anything useful ( I expressed how I think his case on me had holes in them)


For God's sake people I am always going to be catching up because of when the game starts. Of course others are going to be saying stuff before me, I can't help that.

As for Day 1. VE was getting a very very easy ride. I don't why people assumed he was town just because he was active. I pushed him about his weak case because I thought he was scum then when he responded openly and confirmed he thought the case was weak and that was why he unvoted my case didn't make sense anymore. So I looked elsewhere, Sloosh I know you tunnel, so I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I did go scumhunting, I found Tobon who was saying crazy stuff that made no sense. I pushed him and he responded with a passive aggressive dismissal. So I kept my vote there.

At this point on Day 1 my scum reads were VE and Tobon but the VE case didn't make sense anymore. It was more of a gut thing than anything else so I left my vote on Tobon. Then I get called into a meeting before the deadline so I can't re-evaluate what has happened overnight.

VE's hammer on Jackal confirmed him in my eyes so I had to look elsewhere. Tobon has been more active and looks better. With my knowledge that VE was town I went back and looked at those siding with me on the Jonny debate. I took a closer look at your case against xksc and it made no sense. Then I looked at your behaviour since then and it made you scum. I posted what I could on my lunch break.

I know the timing isn't great but you have to realise that I have contributed when I can. This whole thing about me not contributing is just plain wrong. I was the one that pushed the case on theyou. XKSC put his suspicions out there but I drove this case. I pushed VE on Day 1 and I pushed Tobon.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:32 GMT
#738
Probulous I'm over here bro! You realize that you're defending yourself to the person you're saying we should all lynch right guy?!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:35 GMT
#739
Unreal. Everyone needs to be on Probulous right effing now. slOosh is not confirmed town and Probulous just claimed scum. Let's DO THIS PEOPLE.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
March 21 2012 22:35 GMT
#740
On March 22 2012 07:30 Probulous wrote:
VE's hammer on Jackal confirmed him in my eyes so I had to look elsewhere.

I know you keep using this word and I'm verifying that by 'hammer' you do indeed mean '2nd to last vote'?
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