EPTNemesis what is your current stance on VE?
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Toad_in_Pink_Dress
United States50 Posts
Nemesis what is your current stance on VE? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote: Remember people, the ones that we are really looking after are people that are actively avoiding to say anything that could be considered scummy, trying to blend in and hide, while not actually doing anything thing useful First pick is Probulous: Upon rereading the thread, ALL his activity D1 centered around a defense of johnnywub. All of it. There is no indication of desire to scumhunt. He acknowledges that he had suspicions on me due to my interactions with xsksc but did not push his case, nor did he even ask any probing questions to get a better read. Even when he moves his vote to Tobon after he has his scuffle with VE, he doesn't pursue a stronger read. Conclusion: I think that he chose an easy way to look active by defending a townie (notably after Sandroba gives his johnny is town read - contrast to Nemesis who defended him from a poor case before anyone gave such reads). Blending in and not doing anything useful ( I expressed how I think his case on me had holes in them) I'll put my money where my mouth is: ##Vote Probulous Next is TIPD: Just pull up his filter. I've expressed this sentiment on D1 and I still do. Lurking and not really putting in any effort. He is on the Jackal wagon but I don't think it is too far fetched to think it was bus. People were piling votes on him and it only met "resistance" when I did a no-lynch vote 10 minutes before deadline. However the need for a hammer was unforseeable and so I can see mafia bussing. Conclusion: No original effort evident. "go with the flow" attitude. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 22 2012 05:15 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: I am about to take a trip to indonesia and slap my other head across the face with a wet fish for out-lurking me when i am still alive in another game. Nemesis what is your current stance on VE? What is your stance on me and Probulous? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Think you might have just saved yourself slOosh. Everyone on Probulous, GOGOGO! ##Vote: Probulous | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
I am Town, Vanilla Town, lynch Sloosh. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
Can you point me to where your opinion changed on xsksc and what your reasoning is for no longer believing he is scum (or at least him not warranting your top 2 picks)? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 22 2012 06:56 Snarfs wrote: @slOosh: Can you point me to where your opinion changed on xsksc and what your reasoning is for no longer believing he is scum (or at least him not warranting your top 2 picks)? No time, go vote for Probulous. I wanna hit scum every day. E'ERY DAY I'M SCUM LYNCHIN SCUM LYNCHIN | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 21 2012 22:23 slOosh wrote: As for who I would start discussion about it would be Probulous. For someone who has closely watched my posting in my newbie games, it doesn't make sense that he would use raw meta to "set the tone" - he knows the failure that was my SNMMVII game (where I was VT) and yet still assumes that meta is viable, as if I didn't want to improve my play. Everyone wants to improve and I know you are changing your style. The point is the only evidence we have on your meta is your newbie games so to dismiss it as "it was a newbie game" is stupid. Anyway that isn't the meat of the case. He gives off lurking vibes, especially so since I've seen his scumhunting / discussion driving nature. The only thing he has talked about after D1 is me - I'd think he would move on to find the "last scum" as there isn't any serious opposition to my lynch. You are scum my friend. Nothing you have done since then makes me think otherwise. As for finding the last scum, I find them one at a time. We still have a whole day before the night and then another two days before the next lynch. There is still plenty of time to find your buddy/s. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On March 22 2012 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote: No time, go vote for Probulous. I wanna hit scum every day. E'ERY DAY I'M SCUM LYNCHIN SCUM LYNCHIN No time? We have a full day  | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Sshhhhhh... | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
I think Probulous and slOosh are both equally probable scum. And I see VE switching targets so that we won't flip slOosh, just as soon as the discussion about how unlikely 2 role blockers are died down a bit. So if slOosh is scum, we lynch scum (yay!), but if slOosh is town, we lynch VE tomorrow. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 22 2012 07:08 Tobon wrote: I'd rather lynch slOosh, and I'll tell you why: the role block claim. I think Probulous and slOosh are both equally probable scum. And I see VE switching targets so that we won't flip slOosh, just as soon as the discussion about how unlikely 2 role blockers are died down a bit. So if slOosh is scum, we lynch scum (yay!), but if slOosh is town, we lynch VE tomorrow. Nono, I won't allow a mislynch. If we can't get all the necessary votes, I'm down with flipping slOosh. I'd just prefer a Probulous lynch at this point. For the sake of transparency, slOosh's alignment doesn't tell us anything about who blocked him...so if he flips town, it's just as possible that he was blocked by town that it is that he was blocked by scum. Likewise where I'm concerned...my alignment has nothing to do with who blocked me, and it has nothing to do with who blocked slOosh (if he's telling the truth about the block). | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 22 2012 02:05 sandroba wrote: SlOosh is behaving like townie right now and probulous doesn't seem to care too much about this game. I heard from someone that he is normally very good and very active. Day1 he spent the whole day bickering about your unvote on johnny and going around in circles. Also no one (besides you) really tried to keep votes away from jackal and probulous was mia at that time. His argument about slOosh trying to distance himself from jackal with that post right before the lynch does not make sense, because that post actually accomplishes the opposite. You seem to be forgetting I am on the other side of the world. I am here and posting but everyone else is in the middle of the night. So when I log on in the morning there are pages of stuff to read just before the deadline. Normally the deadlines are later so people are on later and I can push and drive discussion. You call it bickering, I call it putting VE in his place. He could well be scum, his vote to seal the Jackal lynch is what "confirms" him. He knew his case was shit yet he was actively pushing for the lynch. I even asked him if he intended to lynch Johnny and he made it clear that he did. Then he says he knew he case was weak. Are you telling me that discussion was useless? The thing that made him town in my mind was his Jackal vote. He could have pulled a Sloosh and said he wasn't sure, hell he thought he was town for most of the first day, but he hammered Jackal and for that he gets a town read. I explained why I was MIA. That post of Sloosh puts us in a WIFOM situation. Did he do it because he wanted town to reason he wouldn't do it as scum? I think VE's point about how it contradicts his earlier positioning on you is a great point that I missed. I also think it highly unreasonable that anyone would doubt a mason claim from you on day 1. It is way way way too risky a scum move and to assume otherwise is a huge logical fail. I just don't see Sloosh actually believing you could be scum. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 22 2012 07:18 Probulous wrote: You seem to be forgetting I am on the other side of the world. I am here and posting but everyone else is in the middle of the night. So when I log on in the morning there are pages of stuff to read just before the deadline. Normally the deadlines are later so people are on later and I can push and drive discussion. You call it bickering, I call it putting VE in his place. He could well be scum, his vote to seal the Jackal lynch is what "confirms" him. He knew his case was shit yet he was actively pushing for the lynch. I even asked him if he intended to lynch Johnny and he made it clear that he did. Then he says he knew he case was weak. Are you telling me that discussion was useless? The thing that made him town in my mind was his Jackal vote. He could have pulled a Sloosh and said he wasn't sure, hell he thought he was town for most of the first day, but he hammered Jackal and for that he gets a town read. I explained why I was MIA. That post of Sloosh puts us in a WIFOM situation. Did he do it because he wanted town to reason he wouldn't do it as scum? I think VE's point about how it contradicts his earlier positioning on you is a great point that I missed. I also think it highly unreasonable that anyone would doubt a mason claim from you on day 1. It is way way way too risky a scum move and to assume otherwise is a huge logical fail. I just don't see Sloosh actually believing you could be scum. So what's the deal? Do you think slOosh is scum? This is a long post, and all I really get from it is you trying to discredit me in one paragraph and agreeing with me in another. I can't tell what you think of slOosh from this post. What's the point of this post? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 22 2012 06:41 slOosh wrote: Upon rereading the thread, ALL his activity D1 centered around a defense of johnnywub. All of it. There is no indication of desire to scumhunt. He acknowledges that he had suspicions on me due to my interactions with xsksc but did not push his case, nor did he even ask any probing questions to get a better read. Even when he moves his vote to Tobon after he has his scuffle with VE, he doesn't pursue a stronger read. Conclusion: I think that he chose an easy way to look active by defending a townie (notably after Sandroba gives his johnny is town read - contrast to Nemesis who defended him from a poor case before anyone gave such reads). Blending in and not doing anything useful ( I expressed how I think his case on me had holes in them) For God's sake people I am always going to be catching up because of when the game starts. Of course others are going to be saying stuff before me, I can't help that. As for Day 1. VE was getting a very very easy ride. I don't why people assumed he was town just because he was active. I pushed him about his weak case because I thought he was scum then when he responded openly and confirmed he thought the case was weak and that was why he unvoted my case didn't make sense anymore. So I looked elsewhere, Sloosh I know you tunnel, so I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I did go scumhunting, I found Tobon who was saying crazy stuff that made no sense. I pushed him and he responded with a passive aggressive dismissal. So I kept my vote there. At this point on Day 1 my scum reads were VE and Tobon but the VE case didn't make sense anymore. It was more of a gut thing than anything else so I left my vote on Tobon. Then I get called into a meeting before the deadline so I can't re-evaluate what has happened overnight. VE's hammer on Jackal confirmed him in my eyes so I had to look elsewhere. Tobon has been more active and looks better. With my knowledge that VE was town I went back and looked at those siding with me on the Jonny debate. I took a closer look at your case against xksc and it made no sense. Then I looked at your behaviour since then and it made you scum. I posted what I could on my lunch break. I know the timing isn't great but you have to realise that I have contributed when I can. This whole thing about me not contributing is just plain wrong. I was the one that pushed the case on theyou. XKSC put his suspicions out there but I drove this case. I pushed VE on Day 1 and I pushed Tobon. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On March 22 2012 07:30 Probulous wrote: VE's hammer on Jackal confirmed him in my eyes so I had to look elsewhere. I know you keep using this word and I'm verifying that by 'hammer' you do indeed mean '2nd to last vote'? | ||
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