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On March 09 2012 11:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hmm... it's a bit complex setup but nothing too hard. I'm looking forward to this, I'll clear some time for Saturday night. It's very simple, the only interesting thing I'm aware of is the KP cost mechanic but it's nothing worth deliberating over come game time. | ||
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My scumhunting in the last game was ruined by second guessing and took a steady dip as soon as my activity levels went way up, as expected. I've learned from it though and I think I do alright when I'm careful. Regardless, careful scumhunting will likely be the key to winning, I don't really care what the mafia can/can't do at night as it doesn't help anybody single them out or find them as efficiently as focus on posting behavior would. Ver's guide/etc. | ||
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On March 11 2012 13:19 Jitsu wrote: That meme is some good stuff. I love you Jackal. So, let's get this ball rolling, then. I'm not sure I want to comment on Lurkers or anything yet. Looking at the player list, I think everyone will have a decently good job of staying active enough to contribute to a pro-town atmosphere. No one really stands out to me as a lurking player, so enough of that. Also, this is going to be pretty much a direct rip from my first post in Storm. It's something that I think should set the mood for town discussion. I hate liars, unless there is a clear and logical reason to do so (blue prolonging his anonymity, ect.), anyone lying should (and will) be 100% held accountable for the actions they decided to run with. Does anyone in anyway disagree with this, and if so, why? I will hold myself to the same standard, and anyone who is found blatantly lying, crossing stories, anything of that sort is going to be pushed by me, and i'd like to assume that the majority of the town players can agree with me on that. I agree. More often than not, townie plans that involve calculated lies do more harm than good. Unfortunately, TL rarely ever punishes liars except in very obvious cases like counterclaims. It is important to differentiate between lies and the sort of absentmindedness that is often characteristic of town though. Reflecting on Storm Mafia has given me way more confidence in my ability to differentiate between bad town and mafia. Beware of people who seem to be too in tune with town sentiment or afraid of making themselves heard. | ||
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On March 11 2012 14:05 Mattchew wrote: i will not be using the pm function until atleast day 2 or 3 when I have a better feel for everyone. I will be announcing to the thread who I decide to PM with when I do, and if someone adds me I will announce that as well. I think we should all partake in this practice So if someone PMs you will you ignore it? Seems like an easy way to avoid pressure. PMs are better for town than they are for scum and if you're not scum you have nothing to be afraid of. In fact, talking to scum should be your first priority as town, why would you just want to PM other townies for?? | ||
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On March 11 2012 14:09 gumshoe wrote: I dont think we should have to announce who were pming, but I do think we should all say when we have at least two people who have decided to pm us. Why? Because I dont think everyone should be pming the one guy who we all think is a great townie, everyone should have 4 contacts ideally, that way the spread of information is even and we have a better chance to gain more information as opposed to having everyone pming one guy. Of course that is optional and I wont suggest that you announce who has decided to pm you, just tell us when you have two contacts so we can keep the spread of pm lines even. I don't think that's necessary. It will be much more telling to see how PM lines form when left unattended by the thread. People should use their own judgment and not the wisdom of the "town". As far as being open with who you select, I can't see how that would be anything but pro-town. | ||
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On March 11 2012 14:44 Mattchew wrote: why not sheth... go something to hide? don't wanna slip that you said something to your scum teammate? scum can already PM each other tbh i don't see any reason for scum to hide their PM targets if you can explain why that's something scum would want to do then you should explain how it's scummy | ||
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PM should be used as a tool to pressure and harass your scumreads imo not to setup town circles unless you have an investigative role or some means of entrapping scum/confirming people with it, it's better to bring the pressure directly to scum where they can't just ignore it like they can in the thread. if someone is going around and using their PMs just to buddy up with people and try to gain trust, I would think of that as being highly suspicious right away. the goal of a townie is not to prove they are a townie. at the end of the day a policy of "lynch anyone who doesn't claim pm targets" would be ridiculous so as usual it's up to an individuals discretion. i don't think scum have a huge incentive to hide who they are PMing especially considering it would only bring more scrutiny on them | ||
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It's up to an individuals discretion whether or not they share who they are PMing with, policy lynching someone for not doing it is stupid. Also, town circles could be set up so that somebody can claim DT to someone they confirm and then use that person to broadcast their reads, or a tracker/watcher/etc. That can be useful. In that case the last thing you want is everyone saying who they are with. Jackal58 is being a bit silly with what Wiggles and people like that are saying. His point is that scum know who town is and because of that they can cut down any circles that arise that they aren't directly involved in themselves. Especially it would be dangerous for someone to say "i'm pming with A B C and D" and then later come out and say "I'm PMing the DT and..." when say, B and C are dead or something. It's up to an individual to share their PM targets or not. Gumshoe is posting a lot and very focused on town circles and such. For that reason, I'm voting for him. He has 2 pages of filter all completely disconnected from finding scum. The way you're probing Caller looks as though it would be helpful, but doesn't actually lead to anything. It's wishy washy, I feel like it's the kind of thing that scum would feel they can't ignore but don't want to commit to Caller if he's town. That'll satisfy me for now, it's pretty likely I'll come up with something better or that Gumshoe will just make himself look worse | ||
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I don't buy into the case against Jackal to be honest, it seems forced as hell. he instead first brings up a list of random people that he thinks would be lynchable in my shitty circumstance He was clearly trying to demonstrate how your logic was flawed and selective, which to be honest was right on point. I'd down with lynching Caller to be honest. This "haha i was fucking with you all along to see how you'd all react!" thing reeks of bullshit to the core. The case on Jackal is forced, he's just playing disruptively. | ||
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On March 12 2012 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't worry everybody, I've arrived. The game can start now. I'm reading through, but I can already tell that Caller is going to rub me the wrong way. I see we've moved past the LaL discussion, that's a plus. At a glance I'd say I'm disinclined to vote Jackal today. Further details to come. Just letting everyone know I'm here and that I'm lurking hard. Smooches. I would call you scum for making these worthless announcements but Storm Mafia is giving me some hesitations. We should have nailed WBG from the start, I laid the foundation | ||
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On March 12 2012 15:03 Bill Murray wrote: @doctorh, what are the reasons you like from curu? I'm catching up, and I value your opinion. That is also why I am sort of sheeping you. You saw what I saw out of gumshoe, switched when that wagon wasn't going anywhere for some reason, and probably found a good one here. I remember Caller's posting earlier on in the day being suspect. He came in like a bull, china flying everywhere, and the broken glass and debris are making it easy to see a case on him being valid. tl;dr: catching up, asking questions, can see caller being scum Caller came in trolling then made his case when there was light pressure and it seems forced. I'm not totally sold on him at the moment because I feel like this is pretty much in line with the way he always acts but Curu does make a better case. I still think Caller is a better lynch than Jackal but I'm not confident enough to push it. Caller's case is based on, from what I can tell, misunderstanding of jackals post and then overstating the significance of it. Curu has a meta read that is at least accurate. Jaybrundage is one of those players who seems to me to be participating only in the surface discussion and making little effort to figure out what peoples motives are or hunt scum. His last few posts speak for themselves really. His confidence is a little bit out of place for a newer scum player though. I'm torn between Caller and jaybrundage right now. I'd be on prplhz in an instant if his logic wasn't equally terrible last time I played with him. I'm waiting for Pandain to come into play, he's awful so I'll know right away if he's scum or not. | ||
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On March 12 2012 15:36 Bill Murray wrote: top 2 suspects are jitsu and layabout, but i'm voting for caller... hmmm... sorry to spam, but something must be wrong with my brain. I'm going to switch my vote to jitsu, actually. You suspect jitsu based on disagreements about how the town operates? He might be wrong but I don't see it as particularly scummy. Do you have a better reason? | ||
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Jackal, roleclaiming was unnecessary. If there is no claim to the contrary I'll believe you. Dreamflower is a pretty specific role and I doubt there is more than one in this game as opposed to something like medic or veteran. We need to reconsider the business surrounding prplhz. His play is poor but it's not particularly scummy and the attempt to pin someone as scum for making a similar case around the same timeframe is ridiculous and comes off to me as a hamfisted attempt by scum to start a bandwagon. The fact that it took makes me even more sure it's scum originated or backed. Wiggles is the first to jump on it, doing nothing in the game besides talk about mechanics/town strategy (at great length) until this point I'm surprised his first attempt at hunting scum is so forced and illogical. The fact that prplhz made a case near the same time period is inconclusive, might perhaps implicate that he is town talking to curu or caller in PM but hardly mafiaesque. Jitsu is the only one who voted for him and he's already been in the hotseat. This is the most alarming event in this thread to me. The Caller vs VE deal is really coming off to me like an ensuing tragedy of townie vs townie. | ||
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JubJub: That makes so much sense....we better lynch him. Only scum would mess up their posts because they have the advantage of coordinating with a team that tells them what and when to post! | ||
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On March 13 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote: I see no particular reason to believe or disbelieve Jackal58's claim, it hasn't changed how I think that he's scum. I'd really like to be around for deadline but I'm going to bed soon. I expect Jackal58 to be dead tomorrow. @Curu There's probably a role blocker since that's the most common scum role around, and all other common bases are covered with they funky KP powers. There's no scum roles. Roleblocker is one of the KP powers, read the OP | ||
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If he's scum i don't think he'd add that detail because they can still use all 2 KP and the roleblock power so he can just claim RB's but because he said that it makes it significantly harder to do. If he's making the role up he wouldn't include that detail. | ||
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If you want to be nitpicky then be my guest. Your first attempt at pressure in this game is about pointing out a inconclusive reading error that makes prplhz look more town aligned than anything else. Jitsu is the scum for catching the bait and trying to make a bandwagon of it. You look bad. What is your point in making a deal of it? Do you even find anyone in this game suspicious? IF you don't think that error was indicative of alignment what do you think of Jitsu who took it to mean exactly that? By cover you mean the hide flip role correct? I assumed that would be used to hide lynches. That same thing happened in Storm Mafia Day 1. | ||
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Curu's analysis is BS. Imagine a scenario in which scum fakes a claim (choosing dreamflower of all things impossible to confirm) and on top of that includes a clause that makes it impossible for them to dodge the lynch by claiming RB. If Jackal is scum it's highly likely dreamflower was provided to scum as some sort of list of fake claims as is normal in a closed setup which implies that it does exist or may exist in the setup and Curu's speculation on what hosts would or wouldn't do is unfounded. | ||
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On March 13 2012 06:37 gumshoe wrote: any thoughts on my bm case? also Dh I noticed you posted a case against me way back, do you still want me to address it? not particularly, i'm not voting for you Pandain why the fuck would you claim DT day 1 with no pressure | ||
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Lynch Jitsu. The WIFOM concerning Jackal will sort itself out at night right? So why are we lynching a claimed blue right now? It's not something mafia can even fake it would go down in history as the worst fakeclaim ever | ||
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Say, Curu, if Jackal isn't lying who do we lynch then? | ||
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The only reason you should vote for jackal is if you are sure he is lying | ||
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solid. Vig's hit Jitsu and Curu tonight. If Jackal doesn't die he's probably shooting Curu at this rate so of course he's desperate to get him lynched. He contradicts his own logic by saying he wouldn't mind lynching VE (despite voteswitching being terrible apparently) omgus and not even following through with it lol | ||
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You're the one spearheading his lynch. You're the only person to provide any reason to put suspicion on Jackal but not nearly enough to push this bandwagon as hard as you have. You have no reason to believe Jackal is lying about his claim besides "hurrrr this is a normal game" | ||
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I try to just look at people as individuals, I tend to second guess myself a lot when I start to think of teams and until somebody actually flips it's difficult for me. It caused a lot of problems for me in Arkham City particularly. You're both acting scummy in my eyes so what am I supposed to think? | ||
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On March 13 2012 08:25 Caller wrote: DoctorH this is why nobody is listening to you. Nobody is listening to you either so why are you being antagonistic | ||
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On March 13 2012 08:33 layabout wrote: So this is how it is: If Jackal is lying about his role, it should be exposed fairly soon and we would be able to lynch him if this were to happen. If Jackal is not lying then whether his role is beneficial to town or not, he is town and we should not lynch him. So we really do not have to lynch him. The main problem that we face is that we are running short on time and the other candidates look green. I think Jitsu is town. I think caller is town. I also think that i need to sleep. I want to post this + Show Spoiler [click for win] + Kurumi is not trolling. It follows that he is probably scum. ##Vote Kurumi but it is too late for that. Instead: DocH who of the current lynch targets would you least like to lynch? Jackal because I believe his claim. | ||
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On March 13 2012 08:29 Caller wrote: Just because I threw a bullshit reason at you to bait scum doesn't mean you're off the hook. Just try me. You threw bullshit reasons at Jackal too, all you've done is throw bullshit. You won't get under my skin when you're playing this retarded. | ||
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Do you actually suspect Jackal? | ||
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That yells sarcasm to me a lot more then it screams scum. Wiggles brings up a good point. prphlz is a player that wouldn't just happen to miss the name of someone that posted. It's almost like prphlz was waiting for Curu to post something, realized he fucked up, then tried to cover it. It's not surprising that prphlz mistakes Curu for Caller, and then 10 minutes later, Curu ACTUALLY comes out with a small little case against Jackal as well. Shit reeks. ##vote prphlz and according to the voting thread Not voting: Jitsu, Mr. Wiggles, [UoN]Sentinel, deconduo what did I miss exactly? | ||
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On March 14 2012 03:40 Palmar wrote: hey drh, who did you mason and why? VisceraEyes. I thought he might be scum for announcing he was ready to hit the thread with reads then going AWOL for the rest of the day. My reads on him in Storm were off until he told me he was SK and I figured I'd have his number before too long. | ||
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On March 14 2012 03:52 prplhz wrote: So what did you find out about VisceraEyes in PMs? jesus | ||
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On March 14 2012 03:58 Palmar wrote: prplhz asked a valid question, why do you not answer it? It's pointless. If I had found anything worth stating, I would have stated it. Why don't you share everything you've done in PMs Palmar? What a ridiculous question. | ||
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The only thing that seemed suspicious during PMs was how self-conscious he was about his Storm Mafia meta. That even though he was right in his reads I kept calling him out as scum. The fact that he was third party in that game made him nervous and I thought he might be expressing that he is non-town who doesn't know how to appear as town but it makes no sense for him to reveal that to a town player so I thought it was more reasonable to assume he just lacked confidence. At any rate, I'm not roleclaiming to you. | ||
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On March 14 2012 07:14 prplhz wrote: Jackal58 you fucking shoot tonight if you're actually town. Confirmed scum? He said a bunch of times he's gonna shoot you. This means you both die if you're town since you have no guaranteed means of protection. If you're scum you can block and hit jackal which means you don't die and he never gets to claim his hit implicating you. Nice slip bro. | ||
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unless you don't give two shits about this game and want 2 town deaths tonight? that's anti-town no matter how you cut it. | ||
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rG is lurking. He's posting elsewhere on TL (pua thread) but not in this game versus AC as town where he was quite active. | ||
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Node's vote switch to Sheth is a joke. Not only was Jackal not gonna get lynched but I refuse to believe by the way he was posting that he put so little thought into the game as to waste a vote on somebody completely random (the only one that actually had excusable inactivity) like Sheth. | ||
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On March 14 2012 10:49 Mattchew wrote: when have you ever seen him not spam or atleast with a lot of posts? In AC when he was a medic | ||
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I'll eat my hat if scum claimed dreamflower in this game | ||
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what is even the point of confirming a role? I don't care if he confirms anything, he isn't scummy his claim seems like something that mafia wouldn't claim (only confirmable via suicide or killing your own team, can't even claim RBs) his town is inherently worse for town than it is good, if he didn't shoot that's a great thing and he shouldn't be lynched for failing to confirm his role via double townie suicide jesus christ i forgot tl towns only care about confirming blues | ||
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On March 14 2012 13:32 Curu wrote: Why wouldn't scum claim Dreamflower? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FAKE IT. IF DREAMFLOWER SHOOTS THEY CONFIRM THEMSELF. Jackal refuses to shoot. Is it that fucking hard to understand? He is refusing to do the thing that makes the role believable. Like I don't understand how this can be made any clearer to you. He's dreamflower. Refusing to shoot is the most pro-town thing he would do. If he were that intent on gaining town cred he wouldn't have made up a whole clause that prevents him from faking a roleblock or he would have bussed a teammate that night god you're just like the fucking jubjub post HE CANT PROVE HES TOWN LYNCH HIM! ONLY SCUM CANT PROVE THEYRE TOWN get a grip | ||
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"Why are we lynching a claimed blue with town KP instead of Jitsu again? Because this is a "normal" game ? " Apparently not wanting to mislynch someone who is potentially useful down the line (after a broadcasted DT check for example) which I say easily in the same breath as calling it a role that is generally bad for town, those statements are in no way contradictory, means I think his role is great for town and I'm a liar Curu you are either scum or a complete fucking moron | ||
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That's an almost undeniable scumslip by Kurumi there. Everyone should vote for Kurumi. | ||
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On March 15 2012 04:55 Jitsu wrote: Hey DocH, why are you voting for Kurumi and not prplhz? Because Kurumi knows what roles are in the game i.e. he is mafia | ||
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On March 15 2012 04:50 prplhz wrote: What is a scumslip? I involuntarily cringe every time someone says "scumslip". Saying something only scum would know/say | ||
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On March 15 2012 05:31 Jitsu wrote: Yet, you thought prplhz had an equally telling scumslip, where he was near "confirmed," and this is also the same game where you wanted to hang me for posting against what I perceived as a scumslip as well, right? Cool. If you can point out where I said it was equally telling that'd be cool This is definitely worse than what prplhz said. Encouraging a suicide vig to shoot you is scummy as hell but it doesn't touch what Kurumi did. You don't think Kurumi is scum? Do you have blinders on because I called you out yesterday? Use your brain. | ||
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I said that way before what Kurumi did. If I had said "Kurumi's slip is equally bad as prplhz" at anytime then that would count as calling them equal. Thinking that a townie would never say what prplhz said there then voting for Kurumi after he claimed something much worse (and also more objective, there has never been a town role that knows of other roles and we know for a fact mafia gets safeclaims) is not the same as that. It isn't the same. Do you understand that? Do you understand the difference between saying "confirmed scum?" and antagonizing someone I find scummy and saying "prplhz is confirmed scum everyone vote for him" like I am now with Kurumi? Do you fucking understand? Do you understand? | ||
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What the fuck is the point of what you're even saying do you really think it's scummy to change your vote based on new information throughout the day should I just stick with my first read forever jesus christ | ||
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if you're scum you just roleblock him and mislynch or even better, no-lynch, he doesn't flip so you don't get implicated and the town keeps running around in circles, jackal loses his shot and probably gets lynched day 2 or 3 . flips don't include role descriptions so you can maybe weasel your way out of the backlash if you're town you both die that's the last time i'll say anything about it kurumi's slip is monumentally worse and i was antagonizing prplhz on purpose to see how he would react. can we lynch kurumi for admitting he's mafia now | ||
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On March 14 2012 07:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Confirmed scum? He said a bunch of times he's gonna shoot you. This means you both die if you're town since you have no guaranteed means of protection. If you're scum you can block and hit jackal which means you don't die and he never gets to claim his hit implicating you. Nice slip bro. yeah i never explained it im done with this game | ||
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what's the point of being in a game where the town is so awful that you come under attack constantly just because people are too lazy to read your posts or think on the level of a highschool student | ||
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does anyone honestly believe kurumi at this point? | ||
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i can't imagine a scenario in which a townie ever procs a suicide vig to shoot when the suicide vig has been saying he'd shoot that townie i really can't understand that logic is it that important to you to "confirm" a blue role that it's worth dying | ||
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jaybrundage, you play like scummy shit all game then start demanding role claims from everyone. Stop doing that. If you're town, it's stupid and unhelpful. With Kurumi gone, we need to shoot prplhz tonight or lynch him tomorrow. He's been on Jackal and didn't react to Jackal's claim but despite this obvious fakery from Kurumi, he chooses to ignore it then go after me. He is aggressive then immediately backs off and acts like he was just messin around. What a joke. Curu straight up lies about things I say, he at least has the good sense to vote for Kurumi. I'm not pushing Caller anymore, his claim seems to be legit and like I said I lost some confidence in him as the day went on and moved toward Jitsu (who is also misrepresenting me). It isn't scummy for a player to change their mind and it isn't my priority to tell the town about every change of thought or thing I think, otherwise I'd end up spamming the thread. If you're that interested in my thought process, just PM me, I'm not going to clutter the thread with that shit. kurumi, prplhz, curu that's my best guess. Abenson, rgTheSchworz, Sentinel, probably scum or traitor between those 3. Dunno about Palmar. His play seems pro-town but I know he's good. If he's town this game is probably in the bag, if it's scum it's over since it seems a town circle has been built around him. Nobody has PM'd me in this game yet, which surprises me a little. | ||
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On March 15 2012 09:22 prplhz wrote: DoctorHelvetica is a guy who has a set of opinions that he considers unequivocally true and consequently the people who disagree with him the loudest has to be scum. I don't really think you're scum anymore. What? I second guess myself more than anyone lol | ||
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On March 15 2012 11:21 gumshoe wrote: caller do you have a dt ability like sentinal say? he's a dayvig lol he shot node | ||
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he has helped town? how the fuck has he helped town | ||
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I also can't believe that Curu making shit up to try to get Jackal killed and him and his scumbuddy prplhz trying to get a town suicide vig to shoot at night (benefits scum) ONLY seems odd to me. This is far and away the most embarrassing town performance I've ever seen. You're an idiot if you don't vote for Kurumi. Caller is saying to vote for me because I flip flop and "only talk about the set-up". That's a bald faced lie, the majority of my posts are about scum or pressure and I'm WELL KNOWN to flip-flop and second guess myself constantly as town such as in AC where I changed my vote like ten times in the first day. In fact, if anything, the fact that I haven't changed my vote a million times makes me look bad. I don't even know what Katina is doing but she has no sense of meta and seems to be completely missing the obvious. Caller is the dayvig, he confirmed it as far as I can tell so unless he somehow faked shooting Node, why would anyone vote for him? Scum have their powers in that KP cost thing it says so in the setup ... So what Kurumi did is too scummy to be scummy? Congratulations, you've failed the most basic fucking trap of bad townie logic now never sign up for another game again you retarded jubjubs | ||
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He spent the first day spewing "code" to make people think he's the traitor, but if he were traitor I don't think he would be provided with what roles are in the game. Kurumi is scum. Kurumi was trying to find the traitor Day 1. He made up a fake role to justify the fact that he knows what roles are in the game. We know he lied about that. And you see that as a stupid vote? | ||
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On March 16 2012 04:54 Caller wrote: of course he's mad he's mad that he's getting caught and is trying to cover it up with indignant anger I'm mad that town is so bad that they would all bandwagon Jackal's believable claim and let Kurumi get away with this. I'm mad that people are sheeping you despite you saying things about me that aren't even close to true. "Just talks about set-up" my ass, did you even read my filter? If you want to win this game try thinking. | ||
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any questions? Palmar proved his roleclaim was legit, thinking he's scum is just stupid at this point. | ||
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King, I think it was | ||
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On March 16 2012 13:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote: He said VE was a kingmaker, and made him king for the day. That means he gets to pick a lynch of someone on the day where he's king. It's not his role, unless this is a different kind of kingmaker, and even then, it doesn't say anything about his alignment, as VE made him. What did you say to him to get him to think that Jackal was a good lynch? Why did you think Jackal was a good lynch? Did it have anything to do with Kurumi's roleclaim? Why do you think he believed you? Would you mind sharing the relevant chat logs? Oh, that's right. After the lynch I forgot it had gone back to VE's choice and assumed it had something to do with Palmars original role. Nevermind that then. | ||
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the fact that you're jumping off of this lynch trying to gain huge town cred for it makes you look even scummier than you did before dude | ||
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Screaming that having been a part of a successful lynch confirms you isn't helpful and it's just outright stupid. No one has any confidence in you because you are bad and recognizing the most obvious scumslip of all time isn't exactly something to pat yourself on the back for. Despite your unfounded confidence and annoying behavior, I agree with your reads for the most part. I think you're, in fact, the traitor rather than scum. You're basing all of your reasoning this night on voting patterns which is unreal bad. From now on I'm going to ignore literally every useless word you type because dealing with jubjubs like you is just a distraction. Tomorrow we lynch Bill Murray or Katina. Could be wrong. Day 2 was somewhat productive because either one of three things happened: 1. Scum bussed Kurumi from the start 2. Scum resisted Kurumi lynch for a while, then bussed later 3. Scum actively resisted Kurumi lynch It might even become clear which one of those is the case tonight. Once we know, the rest of the scumteam will fall like dominoes. | ||
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wowie zowie | ||
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that was all @jaybrundage you're fine, maybe a bit too disinterested but i really don't think you're scum | ||
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JB can you really not fathom the sort of tactics that mafia might use to confuse people and fuck up their reads or are you that desperate for town cred and roleclaims? does the fact that everything is already centralized around palmar make you nervous or something | ||
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________________ Dealt with it myself , who do You think is scum? Node looks like it. Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: Don't talk in riddles to me. What are your reads? You've done nothing but troll in this game. Hide nested quote - Original Message From Kurumi: I am stuck in Viridian Forest without antidotes and my Rattata is poisoned _________________ Then he sent me this PM later which I ignored: We need to fight the heretics! I think Schworz and Abenson are the heretics! Burn them! Kick them, whatever, You're the Doctor! | ||
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We talked about you for a moment, I'll post the logs of that. _________ VE: Shouldn't be strange - Palmar has entered the fray and considers him town. *shrug* Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: Nowhere. I'm reconsidering Jitsu and trying to figure Caller and prplhz out right now. On prplhz, I don't see anything worse than I saw in Storm when we mislynched him. I feel really strange how many people are just taking Caller being town for granted. Hide nested quote - Original Message From VisceraEyes: Where'd you go sir? Get everything you need out of me? _____________ We stopped PMing after discussing the switch in Katina's meta for a while, here: VE: Keep an eye on Katina too - she was coached in Arkham, she may very well be scum out of her league without a coach this game. Her first post was literally "Teehee I'm gonna do this scummy thing (try to blend in) and call attention to it while simultaneously vote for someone ultimately inconsequential. I'M SO CUTE!!"...followed up with "...yet I can speak with the authority of a veteran player when I say that you can take layabout's posts with a grain of salt". Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: I was calling you scum in storm though up until way later oh well was katina scum in AC i don't even remember people are gonna call you out though having announced a case and then going inactive. they'd be right to do so as well. you might as well tell the thread what you're telling me. VE: Katina was scum in AC. Her lurking was often accounted for and planned on in that game. There's virtually nothing to go on in this game...her tone is what I'm concerned about. I don't know what I think of Jackal yet. His claim is interesting. I know I think Caller is scum though, riding a wave of thread presence. Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: If her tone is so different she's likely town and confused or the traitor. I think I'm switching off to Jitsu. Caller's posts are awful but I can't stand playing with guys like this because they make me second guess myself so much. I would ask a DT to check him in the thread but that means automatic use of their cover power probably. They still get 2 KP if they use it. I feel pretty at ease about Jitsu. The prplhz bandwagon is the one I can single out and say mafia are definitely involved in because the logic is so poor or rather "forced" I guess | ||
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It seems like a sure thing at this point, so, who's next? I vote jaybrundage | ||
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On March 18 2012 01:41 Abenson wrote: Well, Caller looks like the best choice atm... Voting now. Isn't this your first post in like days | ||
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Let's go after the scum with substance, first. If BM is scum he will expose himself in due time. Lynch jaybrundage/deconduo/katina in no particular order. PM detective is a role that benefits scum more than town imo. Scum use the power after someone says "a DT claimed to me" or something like that for blue snipes. | ||
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On March 20 2012 22:22 deconduo wrote: @Dr H At what time exactly did you mason Kurumi, and why? Near the end of the first day. I thought he might respond to direct pressure since he had no clear interest in making sense at all in the thread. He decided to keep trolling instead. | ||
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On March 21 2012 05:15 sandroba wrote: From what I gather the most accepted theory is that kurumi was claimed traitor that mafia found and thus flipped red. @docH how come you never claimed you pm'ed kurumi and he kept trolling when you were pushing for his lynch? Didn't you think that would make the case stronger? Do you have any reasoning to have kept that info hidden until decon outted it in thread? I wouldn't mind a abenson lynch instead of wiggles. It wasn't really necessary and I don't think it would have pushed more votes onto him tbh I'm pretty sure I claimed that I PM'd Kurumi when Palmar asked me stuff about VE | ||
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There is so much being taken for granted int his game and Caller's alignment was never really in question by most of town despite his scummy actions until he shot Palmar, which is bad. Palmar thought he was town and everyone just sheeped him. Well, Palmar was wrong, and until people start thinking for themselves we're never going to win this game. This case against Wiggles is retarded, even though he's wrong about a connection between me and BM. I never go after lurkers, historically, I have never done it and I always move to lynch active players. It's what I feel most confident doing. I'm not defending BM, I'm just stating his gameplay is also consistent with his blue meta and I've actually never seen scum BM before but I'm guessing he's probably more aggressive than this. If we lynch him, I don't think it should be today. That's all. Considering the check, it's a pretty bad move for today. | ||
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On March 21 2012 07:04 jaybrundage wrote: Curu no one is confirmed town till they die including you. People may have a town read on you but its just that a read then stop acting like you are buddy | ||
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On March 21 2012 07:09 jaybrundage wrote: hey doc get on Abenson stop trolling Why would I go on your bandwagon when I think you're scum? Since when were you confirmed exactly? Because you pushed kurumi? Learn to play please. | ||
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On March 21 2012 11:03 sandroba wrote: docH what exactly is your reason for thinking JB is scum. I get that you think he is not confirmed town, but I filtered you and saw no reasons as to why JB is scum. I've been too busy recently to pull aside time to make a long post about it, unfortunately. I should be able to in the morning though. | ||
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On March 21 2012 11:05 sandroba wrote: Also this reasoning for not voting abenson because you think JB is scum for no clear reason goes directly against what you said in your previous post that mafia may be bussing left and right. Shouldn't you, according to your own beliefs, look at abenson individually and decide whether he is likely scum or not, and vote accordingly? 3 bus in a row in a 4 mafia game + traitor is stupid | ||
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On March 21 2012 12:33 Mattchew wrote: with the way abenson has played i wouldnt be surprised... bussing him wouldn't shock me at all from my pov why bus a lurker who is getting no attention? you bus to misdirect or when a bandwagon gets too strong not just because you can | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:18 layabout wrote: when did drH pick him? Early day 1, pressured him. Got nothing out of it. I don't think Kurumi was the traitor either, but rather scum looking for traitor. This is some WIFOM armchair psychology stuff but why would traitor make himself so clear? If I'm traitor, I'm a bit afraid and I'd play really inactively. Scum will probably figure that the traitor will be inactive or playing really sheepishly and just start rolechecking into people who don't post. The way he said he was trying to trick traitor into claiming to him or scum into wasting their check on him confirms that to me, that it was planned and that he was scum looking for traitor. You get to bait for traitor all game then say that you were just baiting scum, it's a good defense but his fake claim sealed the deal for him. There was no reason for him to lie about being dreamer as town, especially against someone who he had no reason to "know" was town like Jackal. Because he flipped red, that means scum guessed him on Night 1 right? Scum catch the traitor and then just immediately let him fakeclaim like he did? It seems unlikely to me. He very well could be traitor, but I think it's more likely Abenson or Katina or Jaybrundage. | ||
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On March 21 2012 15:43 jaybrundage wrote: I haven't called my self confirmed town in ages. And to be frank I don't care if you think I'm town or mafia at this point. You're playing sloppy, tunneling a townie all game is really making you look bad. Read my post's from the perspective of a townie or mafia and see which one makes the most sense. You tunneling like this is really hurting your play. I think I have done well to establish what I want to do this game, and that is lynch scum. Unless you think I'm willing to bus every single one of my teammates. Then it's unlikely I'm scum. You have been tunneling me hard just like Matt. Doc do you not think that Abenson is scum. Do you think he has been a contributing townie? In response to ET I PM'd prplhz which I claimed already and posted the PM's to Prlphz and JayBrundage's Pms I also PM'd Curu and claimed to him. Because why not. ET I was looking thru Layabout's PM's because I wasn't sure if he might be scum. But at the moment I'm getting a null-read. And then there was BM but Palmar checked him. But I still stand by my read's on Abenson and Katina. And Katina was my original read silly XD. She has been scummy from the get go. And her case just gets clearer and clearer. I'm pretty damn certain she is scum. Ill be posting a compilation of my cases on Katina soon. I think we should all just go for Abenson and then start talking about who we should lynch next. We can't the discussion die down. Why is tunneling bad? I haven't tunneled you all game, I'm just on you today because I've been busy and you were one of my strongest reads since the beginning of the game. I don't know, Abenson is really inactive, but isn't that exactly his meta? He's probably a disinterested townie or the traitor. Whether I vote for him or not, he's gonna die today so I don't really feel the need to move my vote. I think you're scum so I'm voting for you. You can't say that you're not confirmed and then that I look bad for tunneling a townie because no one knows your alignment except you and scum. Do you not see why that bothers me? katina has called me out for stupid reasons but I'm not saying she looks like shit for "tunneling a townie" because my alignment isn't confirmed. It doesn't look bad to anyone except you and possibly your stupid scumbuddies. If I had the time I'd write a big post on you but you've been on my radar since Day 1 doing a lot of meek posts about worthless things like LaL which don't help town (townies lie often in TL, everyone knows this) Then you come out later blazingly confident asking people to roleclaim to you for no reason, sheeping Palmar basically, and now you're still talking to me like you're confirmed and I'm an idiot for suspecting you. Get real. | ||
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On March 21 2012 13:14 EchelonTee wrote: this I'm the one who prty much initiated the Abenson lynch (even though a lot of people agreed with me without expressing mcuh on the topic earlier...), so JB being on it isn't so much a bus, as a "vote for nearest lynch". btw when I said @layabout any scum hunting, that was meant to be @jaybrundage, mbad. JB you said last night that you were going to be looking through filters, dyou have any original reads, or is it still Katina-Abenson at this point? He wants to lynch lurkers because he's scum and too scared to do anything else lol "klets just lynch lurkers guys i know theyre scum" is classic scum play, older than my grandpa | ||
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On March 22 2012 07:07 jaybrundage wrote: I know I'm town. So your tunneling a townie is bad. But your right me lynching scum and pushing is my reads is really scummy >.> I haven't played meek at all this entire game. My first post was voting for Rg because i didn't like his play. You call me sheeping Palmar? Lol I thought Palmar might be scum for a long while. Doc you act like im confirmed scum. When this game ends and I'm town. You can just see how bad your read was. I have pushed lynches on Kurumi and I was one of the first to vote for Caller (wasn't to sure on him tho) The funniest part is that we have the same reads and you still think im scum. Pretty funny stuff. We are not lynching me period get over it. Would you be willing to lynch Katina tomorrow? Because that's the lynch i would like. Almost forgot Ill try to compile a case on Katina. Im so tired tho You're completely missing the point of my post. "I'm town" is not a defense nor does it indicate my alignment. Since when is anyone expected to have 100% of their reads right? I'm more upset by how awful you are as a player than anything, maybe that's clouding my judgment. Either way you flip, you are a horrible player | ||
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On March 22 2012 09:14 sandroba wrote: @docH you promised you'd explain why you think JB is scum and I still see nothing. All I see is useless argument going in circles. If you think the guy is scum you don't need to convince him, you present a case for us. Please be more objective. I said I'd make a case if I have time which I don't have enough to do much than pop in here and react, unfortunately. My personal life has gotten really busy over the last few days. | ||
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@JB, nothing else besides Katina because I've been too busy to pay attention to this game for the last few days. I've had 3 days of job interviews and have gone out with my family a lot but tomorrow I have no plans so I'm gonna play catch up. I'm not super confident in anything other than you being stupid to be honest | ||
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Mafia have a one time guess to figure him out and if correct, can communicate with him. The traitor also has a one time guess to join the mafia as well. If at any point he can pm the host with one less than the total mafia count mafia correct out of the total count (i,e 3 mafia correct out of 4 guesses with 4 mafia alive), he will join with the mafia Mafia have a rolecheck power. It'd be retarded not to just rolecheck whoever you think traitor is each night then guess when you find him. I'd never fish for the traitor, I'm too paranoid as scum. Bullshit reasoning. | ||
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On March 23 2012 12:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Did Caller claim both of his picks, or only Sentinel? Also, I think scum might have been PMing people fishing for the traitor, just look at Caller and Sentinel. Lynching on this kind of speculation is a bad idea. If deconduo has no reason to suspect me other than he thinks Kurumi is the traitor then it's a really bad bandwagon. Even if Kurumi were the traitor, the fact that I PM'd him is utterly inconclusive. I was inquiring about his reads, not his codes, and when he continued to babble our conversations hit a halt. | ||
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On March 24 2012 04:27 deconduo wrote: Regardless of whether you think I'm town or not, my role has been pretty much confirmed. On top of that, no one has said anything in the spreadsheet is wrong, so you can check it yourself. As for Kurumi, I find it very difficult to believe that he wasn't the traitor. -He thought Jackal was scum, so he made up the dreamer role to defend him from getting lynched. This would absolutely never have happened if he was scum, as he would know Jackal was town. -His made up dream was riddled with grammatical errors. Why not get Caller or any other teammate to spellcheck it first if he was scum. Why would his team even LET him post it. -The rattata post which was blatantly claiming traitor. Also given how Caller tried to recruit sentinel, its fairly obvious that scum were going to pm the traitor to make sure before recruiting them. It can't be ruled out, but I'm still inclined to believe that he was scum searching for traitor. If I had to guess at a traitor I would guess Bill Murray is the traitor if he isn't blue. Your second point is moot. Kurumi flipped red, not black, and he made his fake dream the day he was lynched and I seriously doubt scum recruited him that far into the day without using a rolecheck. They have a onetime guess and why would they waste it on a player about to be lynched that they haven't rolechecked? That doesn't add up to me. I still think Kurumi was a bus, which is why I'm not sold on jaybrundage's alignment in the slightest. | ||
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As much as I'm usually inclined to OMGUS, I think Katina is probably town. Misguided, but town. I've been too little of a factor lately for scum to need to distract me like this and there's no reason to post a huge case on me unless they're trying to get me to react or form a serious bandwagon. The fact that only small targets have been dying (non "vet" players) at night leads me to believe scum is either blue sniping or just hitting people who have the right leads. Considering Mattchew died, that definitely adds some spice to the Mr.Wiggles case. I'll have to read it to determine if it's enough for my vote though as well as go through Wiggles filter. | ||
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On March 25 2012 03:15 Curu wrote: I think there's a very solid reason sandroba was shot and I was left alone. sandroba is a better player, definitely, but he was quite disinterested in the game. I had considered DrH almost certain Town while sandroba was getting pretty suspicious of him in thread and in PMs. That I haven't been shot yet I think shows that I was on the wrong track so I'm going to with sandroba's read. I have no idea what Sandroba said in PMs. My theory on scum shots is that they're avoiding you, myself, wiggles and so on because they don't want people to ask why one of us is alive and the rest aren't. That's solid imo especially when no lynches are so easy to pursue. And please man have some confidence and don't just sheep a dead townie to get another mislynch. We really can't afford it. | ||
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On March 25 2012 03:25 Bill Murray wrote: Dr.H have you claimed? No, I don't see the point of doing so. It can't confirm me and even if it could TL Towns will still lynch anyone who claims so why would I claim defensively? Just giving scum another angle to attack me from. But you know that, don't you. | ||
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Why would I find the traitor on Day 1 then instruct him to fakeclaim so I can bus him? I didn't even play that lynch for towncred, in fact I criticized the fuck out of JB for trying to take cred off of it. That is such a weak platform for a lynch and at LYLO it doesn't cut it. | ||
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On March 26 2012 02:46 Curu wrote: I feel like Katina is Town now, considering the Abenson/Wiggles flips. It's a bunch of things. DrH's PM explanation is awful, considering he Masoned VisceraEyes as well who he felt was likely Town. There is absolutely, positively, 100% no reason for any Town player to ever want to Mason Kurumi who is going to be the most useless player in any game not containing sinani. His sudden and random hostility towards jaybrundage with no reason whatsoever besides that he was calling himself Town. He can come up with no reason to actually call jaybrundage scum when asked about it. There was also a KP missing the second night, originally I had thought it was because Palmar got hit and prplhz Medic protected him (prplhz was a Busy Medic thus didn't know if he protted his target or not) but I think it's very probable Bill Murray was covered. His sudden influx of activity, the fact that DrH didn't show any of this downright hostility towards him for calling himself confirmed Town, and his retarded reasoning. He voted DrH following Katina/deconduo/etc, as well as following the popular vote without any reasoning or posts on every other candidate, but all of a sudden come lylo he wants to lead the Town? Not happening. jay Katina is probably Town, if we lynch her we lose. As I said I am not moving my vote, I am 100% certain DocH is scum, as certain as I was on Kurumi/Caller. Palmar and sandroba both suspected DrH, please trust us on this one. That is the opposite of what I said. | ||
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On March 26 2012 04:04 Katina wrote: You are wrong about your last sentence. Not every person I have pushed has been town. That will be clear once DrH flips. That's not really an indicator of whether someone is mafia or not. I think Jay might be mafia because he has been pushing for me all game and basically ignoring everything else that is going on. I think the mafia is probably telling Jay to keep pushing me so he doesn't mess anything up. He really hasn't done anything else and has ignored all the big cases. Jay also said he would make a case against me.... I have yet to see one. Jay is mafia or big JubJub, Jay's mafia. Even though you're attacking me I'm not dumb enough to realize you're not town. Considering the attitude and context of your posts, I'd be shocked if you were mafia despite a shaky Day 1. | ||
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On March 26 2012 12:18 deconduo wrote: Dr. H is scum, he never picked to PM Kurumi: ##Vote DoctorHelvetica USA USA USA That's completely untrue. | ||
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There was another hole in your logic for thinking Kurumi was traitor earlier too that I pointed out. You said his Day 2 claim was too obvious for a teamed scum to do, but your assumption was based on me finding out Kurumi was the traitor on Day 1. You're also assuming Sentinel wasn't the traitor, that scum wasted masons fishing for the traitor, and that the traitor was not Bill Murray or Jaybrundage as I suspect it is. This is way too flimsy for LYLO, Deconduo. | ||
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On March 27 2012 06:08 layabout wrote: Doc, why don't you tell us what you would like to do today? Would you like to comment on the pile of bodies that told us to lynch you? What do you want me to say about the night hits? I had no part in it so I can only assume they're using hits to push mislynches or are blue sniping. Jaybrundage is who we should lynch today. I believe that he was the traitor and was recruited some point around Cycle 2 or 3. Mafia will be careful with their buses until they pick up the traitor. An early bus without traitor means that scum lose their ability to use a .5 power and 2 hits. It makes sense that they would bus after picking up the traitor. The sharp turnaround in the playstyle of Jaybrundage is what makes me suspect him. After a scummy and wishywashy Day 1 he turns around and acts very brash and confident, asks for roleclaims, etc. He also tried pretty hard to get himself further town cred off the Kurumi lynch which I still think was a bus. If it was not a bus, the scum team was very very stupid to think that the town would buy Kurumi's claim and they also had no real reason to stop Jackal from getting lynched other than the hopes that he might shoot a town player at some point later in the game. Seeing as he had threatened Caller before, I think that's pretty unlikely. Look who tried to get the cred off of that lynch, look who used it to set himself up for the rest of the game. Hint - it wasn't me. | ||
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I'm not saying that scum should immediately bus after picking up traitor, I just don't think they would bus before traitor. If you have any arguments not based on what scum would/wouldn't do or the fact that I PM'd Kurumi I'd love to hear them. Again, Katina is the only one who provided any logical reason to vote for me at all. | ||
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On March 28 2012 01:53 Katina wrote: DrH only has two votes at the moment? We need the votes on him to start coming in. DrH hasn't been defending himself. He first shrugged off my case against him then he said it was the only one with a genuine analysis. As said before he is throwing around a lot of doubt. He hasn't been contributing anything useful even in the most recent days. DrH said his life was hectic but he posted about forty posts on day one. For someone who claims to have an active life he had time to make ~40 posts day 1 and continues to be one of the most active players. His actions are inconsistent and don't add up. I wasn't busy around the first two cycles. | ||
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On March 28 2012 03:09 layabout wrote: Dr.H when you realised that we were likely at lylo what did you resolve to do to ensure town's victory? Question is meaningless. The amount of effort I put into the game based on personal factors is not indicative of anything besides how busy I am or are not. Anyway, this is why I believe JB is scum or the traitor. There is a sharp change in his behavior. He begins the game with a very soft stance on LaL. When he comes under fire for what he's talking about, he pulls back a little bit. There is also this gem which is typical of scum "We are unlikely to get a mafia day one So lynching a bad townie isn't to bad IF we choose to lynch him." TRANSLATION : When lurkers are lynched on the basis of being bad or just lurkers, it's very easy for scum to decide which lurkers are lynched. All they have to do, for example, is say "Hey, let's kill Abenson for lurking" instead of scum lurker Y and when it gets into late game they can swing each lynch where they want it. The problem with killing lurkers fast is that the best does not lead to lurker lynches, only the loudest voice does. On March 12 2012 09:01 jaybrundage wrote: Responding to Layabout There's nothing wrong with putting a vote out there just for the hell of it. I dont like Rg playstyle (lying like 6 times as town) He even expressed he lied alot as town so he could get away with lying alot as mafia. We are unlikely to get a mafia day one So lynching a bad townie isn't to bad IF we choose to lynch him. I was mostly fishing for reactions. Didn't get to many sadly I say i do agree with lynching liars and Lurkers. However i suggest we use them as guidelines. TL towns dont lynch liars often enough and pushing lurkers to talk and contribute forces mafia to contribute. And in the process mess up Sharing PMs or not Sharing PMs both have pros and cons. To act like one is simply pro mafia is dumb. I think they both are viable ways to proceed. Also I put the list of players out. To try to elicit responses from them. I dont want to lost because half our player base isn't contirbuted it doesn't matter if they town or mafia. A town that contributes is a good town. (not spam tho) I want the lurkers to come out T_T I dont know about the jackal lynch we could of found a scum. Ill have to go over him. I dont know his meta to well tbh tho. This players have not posted in the thread yet. And i suggest we lynch one of them. Katina VisceraEyes Node [Uon]Sentinel Pandain RgTheSchoworz Curu The part in bold is what worries me the most. Lynch lists are beyond useless, I remember going off on VE for pages about his in Storm which got him so upset he almost quit so I won't beat a dead horse, but I still think it's scummier than not. This post was so early in the game that calling out a lurker is worthless, not only that, he's suggesting we already lynch one of these players just for not posting early into the day. On March 12 2012 15:18 jaybrundage wrote: Doc I understand where you coming from. I am not scumhunting. I honestly don't do well day 1. And i as you dont feel confident in my reads to push anything atm. I still think the jackal lynch makes sense even if mostly based on meta. I also think that our lurkers need to speak up a bit more. Apologetic and wishy washy. This changes very fast. On March 14 2012 08:40 jaybrundage wrote: Hm if this is Town VE I don't know quite what to say I have only seen VE's scum play. XD Glad Palmar is here funny thing i only seen Palmar's town play XD (And one pro town third party) Palmar are you going to claim your DT check or not :o. Tommorow I think we should shoot into one of the scummy lurkers. Lots of posts like this. He's really just summarizing what's happening and adding useless comments. On March 15 2012 08:01 jaybrundage wrote: Hey Doc are you scum? You should PM and tell me your role Newfound confidence occurs after he goes after Kurumi. JB calling out Kurumi is what sparked his claim, this does not indicate that JB was town or anything. If this confirms JB to anyone then it must also confirm me because I pushed the case equally hard and voted for Kurumi as well. Don't have a double standard now. As a rule, I'm much less interested in who defends who than just who acts like scum. I'll second guess myself into a corner otherwise. I never tried to play this lynch for town cred or to "confirm" myself and then fish role claims out of people. Are you kidding me? JB gets away with that? On March 16 2012 13:49 jaybrundage wrote: Doc I started the Kurumi lynch are you kidding me? At this point i should be confirmed town. I was the first to try to lynch kurumi. ROfl if you think im scum im dont knwo what to say On March 16 2012 14:23 jaybrundage wrote: WAIT how is Palmar getting cred for the lynch i pushed. This doesnt make any sense. You guys are delusional. You are assuming Palmar is town based on nothing. He hasn't dont shit this game. Besides kill two townies. Saying Palmar is confirmed town is pretty retarded. He's not He needs to start pushing good lynches and start doing work as town. DocH i think your town because you were pushing the Kurumi lynch with me. But your not making sense. Cant a get a single townie that can be transparent. I want to lynch Katina next. She was trying to kill node. who was green. And then she tried to get people to look at cases and not lynch Kurumi. If people think im scum rofl moslty you DocH you think im scum for what reason. Starting a lynch on a scum? Post a case on me. This case will probably determine to me if your scum or not. So please put some work in it. Look at JB's logic here. This is the only post that makes me think "bad townie". He seems to genuinely view the game this way: Town - Only bandwagon or vote for scum. Never vote for a town aligned player. Scum - Only bandwagon or vote for town. If you vote for scum you're town, if you vote for town you're scum. Katina is scum for pushing Node when a lot of people suspected him? And me and JB are town because we got Kurumi lynched who was scum? Sorry, that's not how mafia works. On March 16 2012 16:46 jaybrundage wrote: First off I'm not begging for town cred. I'm demanding it. I did push Kurumi. But don't worry hopefully I'll get another scum tomorrow. Speaking of scum your looking pretty scummy there buddy. Want to go on the docket? Lets see didnt vote for Kurumi check. Trying to discredit a townie check. Let me ask you think ET do you think Katina is scummy and why. Im assuming your answer is going to be no because you know your her scum buddy. And um yea thats about it :D Trying to discredit a townie? Again, more making cases based on the assumption that he is confirmed. Unbelievable. JB continues down this path. I believe JB was the traitor, probably rolechecked by scum Night 1 which explains his behavior coming out on Day 2. If Kurumi wasn't a planned bus, it could be a sloppy bus. I was sloppily bussed in HP Mafia and did a sloppy bus on LSB in that game too iirc. Basically, one player says "I'm just gonna bus Kurumi" but the rest of the scum don't go along with it, maybe some do or some don't, or see a chance to make mislynch/nolynch happen near the end and fuck with the vote. It could be any number of reasons. There is no denying JB had a sharp change of attitude from wishy washy/apologetic and only commentating on nothings/policies to brash, aggressive, confident, arrogant even pushing people and trying to force everyone to think he's confirmed based on nothing more than the fact that he posted a case on someone who was scum. Something I also did. Twice. If you think JB is town and I'm not JUST because I was busy and rude for a little bit (not too strange for me, I've almost been modkilled for rudeness and flaming as town before) and the fact that I PM'd Kurumi because I THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM AND THEN PUSHED HIS LYNCH DAY 2 you are a jubjub. | ||
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If you lynch me, it's game over. Look how JB has twisted the game to try to make himself the center of town and attention although he has failed miserably. Palmar got the town circled around him and JB tries to discredit him over and over. Scum. Scum. Scum. | ||
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Scum argue with scum and town and town argue with scum and town. Scum lynch scum and town and town lynch scum and town. That's the reality of the game. JB is in complete ignorance of that because he obsessed over this idea of himself being confirmed. I don't think a town player would be dense enough to really believe that or push himself that far into town center territory based off a single lynch. | ||
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On March 28 2012 08:11 Katina wrote: To address some random issues. I have not been activitly lurking and I have not been playing in pm land as I said above anyone who I have been pming with thinks I'm mafia. Thus my willingness to talk to people in pm's has deminished. I have contributed my reads the entire game not just when I have been pressured. My case against DrH came way before I was even a candidate for being lynched. Infact Billmurray. DrH is the one who has posted analysis under pressure. As seen by his recent case against Jay. As Layabout pointed out his case is very convoluted and desperate. DrH had promised analysis in the past three days and have only chosen now to give it. The problem with DrH is that he has refuted nearly all the arguments against him with the fact that he's been busy. He has done little to respond to the points that he's been inconsistent and clearly not acting the way he usually does when he is town. It's not the fact that he says he's been busy because everyone has a life. It's the fact that it's really all he has said. As I mentioned before he never really responded to my case. At first he just brushed it off as whatever and just recently just claimed it was a good analisys. That's not true. Let me rephrase good analysis to good reasoning. You're looking at my post behavior and intentions and not making a WIFOM guess based on information town doesn't have like deconduo was. Your arguments fall short, but they come from the right place. I pushed Jitsu Day 1, I pushed Kurumi Day 2 VERY hard, Caller was an overwhelming bandwagon and there was nothing to push. The only time I didn't push a lynch hard was when I was either too busy (Abenson lynch) or when it was too obvious. I actually had to push Kurumi because it was almost a no lynch. And the one lynch that I pushed super hard killed scum. I haven't promised analysis either. I said if I found the time I would do something and haven't found the time or care until today. Seeing as it's LYLO and the bandwagon was forming against me, would you rather I said anything? If I continue as I was, you will think I'm scum. If I shape up and defend myself, apparently that means I'm scum too. What would you like me to do? Go back in time and cancel all my job interviews? My girlfriend has been moving in and I've had a very busy couple of weeks. What exactly would you like me to do about that? | ||
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I planned a much more elaborate bus of Kurumi in which he made a fake DT claim incriminating Node, setting up Caller's shot, then claimed the person who claimed DT told him that scum must have used frame then the next day Kurumi would claim that DT was Palmar, giving Caller a believable reason to shoot Palmar and then setting up Kurumi to get bussed Day 3 but he ended up doing some dreamer claim when I wasn't paying attention because I was pissed that Caller wasn't just doing what I told him to do and kinda half ragequit the game at that point and stopped caring, plus I got super busy later (that wasn't a lie) I'm a control freak | ||
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On March 29 2012 02:22 Kurumi wrote: A Coroner spin-off. Considering it was a half-flip game, an information role checking dead people was likely(or, in that case confirming roles being present). The Dreamflower knowledge was logical - I defended Jackal D1 without a claim and backed it up D2. Nothing wrong here. it was a bad claim and the poor english made it more obvious, should have went with my DT mason plan | ||
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Katina you really nailed me but you need to work on your tunneling. Your inactivity and complete focus in on me was what got you killed. Try posting more, pressure people you think are scum and get them to slip up. | ||
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