EPTWill be my last newbie game possible. Was hoping to try out some different game types but it looks like those have all already started.
If there's a new player that really wants in, I will switch with them, otherwise I'm excited to play.
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Alderan
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Will be my last newbie game possible. Was hoping to try out some different game types but it looks like those have all already started. If there's a new player that really wants in, I will switch with them, otherwise I'm excited to play. | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:22 gumshoe wrote: I gotta say, the hosts are quickly becoming my favourite part of this game, I am almost sure that grey mist made a strong effort to bring in night fury just to make sure I had no chance of getting hawk lynched. This is my last "old game" post but I feel like it would be appreciated.... The replacement had to come in either way, because like you had already deduced if he was town you needed him to get a successful lynch, if he was scum we needed him to win. | ||
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Feels good to be town. As for my availability, I'm just a pretty sketchy dude (by that I mean I'm just really busy with a bunch of weird things). I'm going to try to post much more than I have in the past though, As for where I stand on a no lynch the first day: When I play mafia I HATE defining anything in absolutes, for example "we should NEVER no lynch", "X player is definitely town" etc. In my mind there are very real reasons we would want to no-lynch Day 1, namely, if there is a DEFINITIVE lack of reasonable cases at the end of the voting period, which we will have to determine. Also a Day 1 early vote deadline for me serves little to no purpose. I'd bet someone a dollar that by that time there will be someone who still has not posted yet, and there will be 2-4 people with only one introductory post. I like seeing everyone's reads with time to think about it just as much as the next guy, but when the reads are based off so little there is only so good they can possibly be... | ||
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This is one of them. | ||
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On February 27 2012 00:04 igabod wrote: I just finished reading the thread. I agree with lynching someone day one. I also think that the fake voting deadline could work. This is the type of post you're going to want to avoid. | ||
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On February 27 2012 01:52 gumshoe wrote: Glad to have you on our side Alderaan ( : as for absolutes do you mind making decisions like that on a day to day basis? What do you mean? | ||
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On February 27 2012 02:32 ghost_403 wrote: @alderan I really don't see any time where it would be advantageous to the town to not lynch. The town should first be lynching scum. If we can't find scum, we should instead lynch people who are not useful to the town. Lurkers fit the second criteria perfectly. By lurking, you are providing cover for the scum to hide, which is in every case bad for the town. I mean, look, I get it, if there's a hardcore lurker then we should lynch them, I'm fine with that. If there's not, and there are no adequate cases on who is scum I don't think it's worth it. Disclaimer: It is much more likely that we have an adequate lynch target than we don't. My point is that we don't rule the possibility out. | ||
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Fourface I'm going to tell you the same advice someone told gumshoe last game. - Chill out - Keep your posts CONCISE - Only post when you're going to contribute - Chill out | ||
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Who does that sound like? To early to call him obv town. We shall see. | ||
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Chocolate is super scummy to me right now. Says things like "our vote will probably end up being a lurker"... Who says this? Even if it is the case you're giving mafia free reign to post a couple BS posts and get out of the thread. He later goes on to say I'll give them until ~6 EST to post but if they still haven't by them we should vote one. Pretty adamanent about this lurker idea, right? Wrong. NOT 3 POSTS LATER he's off his lurker train now, and onto the easiest target, namely, Fourface. Fourface, for reasons stated above is very likely not scum, but I could see Chocolate's beady little eyes now getting as wide as an anime characters in joy when he saw that Fourface made one of the most "interesting" (as to avoid getting in trouble) posts I've ever seen. Oh and this: We should probably spread out our votes, don't need two people on one lurker yet imo I don't get this either. Why would you split your votes up? If it's for pressure here is a newsflash: Votes DO NOT = Pressure Pressure is cases, pressure is discussion, a one liner and vote in the vote thread doesn't cut it. Period. Then there's: That sounds like a good idea. I really can't see any problems with that tbh, and it works well for me because in the event of a massive vote swing I probably won't be online to provide input. Steve, how often did we sit around IRC last game and joke about the thread in the hour running up to the vote? Spoiler: It was every time. Scum are going to stay absent at the end of the day unless they need to affect the vote. Chocolate has conveniently positioned himself out of that responsibility but left the opportunity open that he might be there. Just priming his defense in case he needs it. | ||
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Here's how I see this vote on Jeckyll going: - Ghost puts his vote on Jeckyll, cause you know they're pressuring lurkers and all. - Chocolate also puts his vote on Jeckyll, cause you know they're pressuring lurkers and all. - Ghost gets pissed in the scum qt by saying "dude back up off me, we don't need to get too associated with each other" - Chocolate is like "shit, how can I back out of this? Oh I got it! I'll say we need to diversify our pressure portfolio!!!!!11!!" - Chocolate votes on another random lurker. - Alderan figures it out. | ||
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On February 27 2012 13:08 slOosh wrote: Oop - missed Alderan's post while building my case. Looking over and will post thoughts soon. I'm going to wait for him to respond to make a comment on your case. I've got a hunch. | ||
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On February 27 2012 13:52 FourFace wrote: I think DoYouHas is trying to look blue, but last game (i think.. where he won ezpz with mafia gg-ing) both him and slOosh did a way better job. I'm wondering if DoYouHas is in fact scum.. how in the world will we be able to lynch him. He's got too much cred from last game (he's basically shoving it up our nose judging by the pregame posts) and now everyone including me thinks he does a good job as town. I don't quite know what to make out of all the 'FourFace stop being insane!' 'Make sense please!' 'OMFGUS your posts are a pain to read' type of posts. I can't say their scummy but people should stop condescending and start acting protown if they claim to go by the book. What game would you be referring to? | ||
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On February 27 2012 13:59 Janaan wrote: One thing that stands out most to me about Ghost's posting is this gem right here He seems to think that it's perfectly fine for us to go 3 days without lynching a mafia, which would put us in a MYLO situation. Not exactly what I'd call a pro-town position to be in. His justification for saying this is pretty weak I think. 1. If the game gets to this point, scum obviously haven't been easy to spot, and it doesn't really get much easier. Sure, the "odds" might be more in your favor, but if you're in this situation, scum probably are pretty good at hiding in plain sight. 2. Yeah, scum might sacrifice one of their own. But 5 town/ 3 scum is still MYLO. I don't see how a townie could say that this is "no problem". Janaan, talk to me about Chocolate. | ||
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On February 27 2012 15:00 FourFace wrote: "I'm not gonna just make a giant fluff post if that's what you want." Silly question, the he would have figured it out by himself though.. I think it's a scum post icebraker, someone asks a silly question and the answer is give. Like saying look at me I'm active Hey what's your opinion on whatever. Same thing as the first players lurking is an issue .. WOW i didn't see that one coming. What a revolutionary point of view believe it or not .. people are going to check your posts to see when you were active (if it really comes down to that) and the way you said it .. well maybe then but wait it might be then and then and then till then. I personally don't care then asking for an opinio again. Who exactly are you condescending here. It seems like you're just talking to youself.. I'm the crazy one here you can't have that it's taken On and off about statistics etc. "So please do I'm not gonna just make a giant fluff post if that's what you want" Yeah I want you to post fluff THIS TIME lol + Show Spoiler + reverse psychology This is a really bad way to make a case.... At least make a header stating who you're investigating. Come on man..... | ||
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On February 27 2012 15:10 FourFace wrote: omg just go with it. Because I think you might be town I'm trying to help you set up your post so you will be taken seriously and given even an ounce of attention. As it stands now you are just being a nuisance. This is coming from someone who finds Janaan suspicions. | ||
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- Igabod - Chocolate - Janaan (In that, I would like to hear who you want to vote for) - Ghost_403 - Steveling I still like Chocolate as the lynch candidate for today, but I'm going to hold out as I wait for a response. Also I have more reads on Ghost, but again, I'd rather wait for him to respond so as not to jump the gun with divulging information. A note on Steveling. Last game he played a very "I'm a noob town don't lynch me" game as stated in one of his first posts in the scum qt. He obviously can't do this again if he's scum, because he knows I'm town, and I'll call it out. After playing a game with him it seems like he is a person who would use a shtick as scum. Steveling I'm telling you now, if a lurker scum is your thing, I'll find you. | ||
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On February 28 2012 02:47 FourFace wrote: This game man, it's not for me. I can't sleep because it messes with my head. Check this out: what I do regret right now is editing those last two posts instead of making 2 additionaI posts and editing them into nvm and what? That would have been awesome so you can appreciate the mood that came out of it. Nah things are getting too messy in my head I can't sleep. I'm not joking I have issues. Sorry for putting everyone through this.. it was juvenile and you came here to have fun. I had my fun but now it's like I pissed my pants. I do hope that Day 2 will start making for a good game afterall Can we take this as a request for a replacement? | ||
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@Chocolate aside from igabod who are you thinking is appearing scummy? Are you really getting a null read on everyone? To anyone who cares, I don't think Ghost_403 is that suspicious anymore. I realized that it is more likely that either Ghost or Chocolate are scum, Chocolate strikes me as someone riding the middle and keeping his head down. | ||
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We're trying to build as many cases as possible and put pressure on every one we find suspicious. The hypothetical Jeckyll vote thing was just something that popped into my head when making my case on you and I used it to push you both and see how you respond. Sorry if you think I tried to make you look dumb, that was not my intention. | ||
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Chocolate or Ghost? | ||
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On February 28 2012 06:49 Janaan wrote: To me Probable is more strong than saying you're not sure of it. But I could just be arguing semantics here. Also, if I was merely sheeping/voting with mafia like you suggest, I would've voted for you. As it is, I just found a couple things I felt were a bit odd and commented on that. Janaan where would you place your vote if deadline was in 5 minutes? | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:04 DoYouHas wrote: Anybody else think that this bandwagon is forming a little quickly on Chocolate? It wouldn't be so odd to me, but when I see a post like NightFury's which attacks Chocolate with points that are not very conclusive I start thinking that people are talking themselves into a Chocolate lynch instead of being objectively convinced. If you thought that he was our best lynch candidate because you found a few of thing things he said fishy and did not like his early lurking/middle of the road posts, that is one thing. But when you invent fairly invalid points to convince us that you aren't just sheeping the vote, it is very bad for town. Right now I am very comfortable with my igabod vote. With how the conversation is being directed towards either a ghost lynch or a Chocolate lynch, I think igabod has a better chance of flipping scum than either of them. I almost made literally the exact same post. The Chocolate thing is coming along too easily, I would have expected at least a case made against someone else. That in combination with his mildly sufficient answers have me reconsidering my vote. I would love for a case to come a long that was better, which is why I was asking everyone to come up with an opinion? I think Steveling is acting very suspiciously. I've found that after playing as scum, town is much more relaxing and less time consuming. I find it strange that he finds it the opposite. | ||
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I saved reporting the second post to you guys for obvious reasons, didn't want the scum to see it before it was time. No reason to suspect it's true in all honesty. I don't even know what to think about it. It's getting about that time. Odds are good that either both Steveling and igabod will be replaced, or just Steveling will be replaced as he asked first, and igabod will be modkilled. The question now is, do we want to go for an additional lynch or not? | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:38 gumshoe wrote: I do, read my joint case on ghost and sloosh. Problem is, I initially pushed Ghost as well and came to the same conclusions that Sloosh did, prior to his posting. I had a quote that I was going to wait for him to respond because "I had a hunch", that's what I was referring too, that I didn't actually think Ghost is the scummiest player in the game right now. Currently I find k2hd questionable as well, but I don't have a concrete case and it's too late in the voting period to be discussing a brand new case I feel. Will be a good one fore tomorrow, especially if igabod flips green. | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:45 ghost_403 wrote: @alderan We can't double lynch this game. Majority+1 for lynch. I think you misunderstood. If igabod get's modkilled, and we lynch someone, two people will die this day period. I just realized though that there is a brand new newbie game starting up, which I'm sure the mods will use to get a player to fill in, considering there is only one sub. Because of this, our chance at a mod kill seems minimal to me. I'm torn. | ||
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##vote: Steveling | ||
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igabod - 5 k2hd DoYouHas Chocolate Janaan Steveling Chocolate - 5 phagga JekyllAndHyde slOosh ghost_403 NightFury Of the 5 voting igabod I have suspicions of 4 of them. k2hd Chocolate Janaan Steveling Of the 5 voting for Chocolate I have town reads on 3 (and a half) of them. Obviously not going to list them. The way this looks to me, without one clear bus target is that we might be right. I think Chocolate may actually be scum. I think they are in a position where they have to stack on the inactive so as to save their team mate. Potentially changing my vote, what does everyone think? | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:02 Chocolate wrote: still no post, switching to steve. Steve, could you please post any and all reads you have at the moment? Me being someone you find suspicious, I find it odd that you switched to my target so quickly. | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:06 Chocolate wrote: I said an hour ago I was going to switch I'm actually an idiot. You're right. | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:06 Chocolate wrote: That's odd alderan, I have null-worse reads on my accusers. Why won't you list the ones you think are town? I don't like post who is town, as those with town credibility are most likely to be hit. It's just how I operate. You will RARELY see me make a post about someone being town, at best they will get "less suspicious". | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:08 DoYouHas wrote: But apparently you will confirm that he is town... ? | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:14 DoYouHas wrote: It is possible Qatol is WIFOMing the crap out of us with, "I'll also confirm that he has not hacked the mafia QT." But otherwise he just confirmed FF as town. I see... I don't like to get into that kind of stuff, and urge the rest of you not to either. Task at hand, lynch, 1:45 minutes. 3 options in my mind are: Chocolate igadob Steveling I think a good compromise between my last post and the people on igadob/ We vote Steveling, we're killing a lurker that we don't know, and he's voting with the others that I find suspicious. | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:41 DoYouHas wrote: This may have already occurred to you, but I don't trust Alderan atm. That is why I pick igabod for a lurker lynch over Steveling. If you don't want to policy lynch a lurker, I suggest we move towards a no-lynch. This should be good. We need to decide here shortly though regardless, and my vote is going to be crucial. If your plan to no lynch is assuming a modkill then it is inherently flawed and we shouldn't do it. I would still like to lynch Steveling rather than igadob, and potentially Chocolate ahead of igadob. | ||
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The important thing to remember is we're not lynching this person because of fear that they will continue to lurk, because they will be replaced (if igadob votes last minute we lynch him tomorrow). We are voting because we are going into tomorrow with 0 reads about those players where we have a days worth on others, and all of the current cases could be excused by noob/aggressive town. | ||
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Where do you stand on a no-lynch today? | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:22 gumshoe wrote: I like what ghost said about him and chocolate, we lynch igo meh, we lynch one of them we can back track and look at the history of pressure, willing to lean chocolate right now because ghost actually brought that to attention which I really appreciate. I'm leaning Chocolate as well over igabod. I'm trying to decide where "no lynch" falls in my preference order. | ||
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Fingers crossed on getting them replaced. | ||
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As for the whole Chocolate/Ghost issue, I think it might be helpful for you to see the timeline of my thought process- - Searching through filters looking for suspicious people. - Read Chocolate's filter and think "Hey! All this stuff is absolutely bizarre, no ones made any concise cases yet, let's give it a shot". - While making post, realize that the voting three times in the first 12 hours of the game is really weird for anyone, scum included, so after I posted the Chocolate post I went back to see why he would have done it. - Make the "Ghost hypothetical" post prior to checking Ghost's filter. - Went back to check his filter, realized he was actually not suspicious to me at this point because he is playing far too aggressively, which is why I told Sloosh I had a "hunch" about Ghost. - Without posting that sentiment, I waited for Ghost to respond (just to get some more info), which he did more than adequately, and I dropped my suspicion of him. As for the DYH thing, I guess there is no way to corroborate this but the reason I posted in agreement of the idea that the Chocolate lynch was "happening to quickly" is because I legitimately believed that, and in fact had the post typed in the text box, only to be delete as Chocolate still had not responded himself and I wanted to wait and see his response before lowering the axe, if you will. I don't like defending anyone this early in the game prior to them having a chance to respond. Make them post under pressure, that increases the chance of slips exponentially. As for the end of the day yesterday, I was obviously torn between voting for a no lynch, a weak case, or a lurker who is getting replaced. The reason I appeared so wishy washy in the thread is because I was trying to be as transparent as possible about my decision. Essentially I was thinking aloud in the thread and trying to get people into a back and forth, which is much harder to deal with when you're scum then coming in, making a long post, and coming back in 12 hours. Hopefully this clears up some stuff. | ||
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Why I found you suspicious the originally: - You had, prior to the very end of the day yesterday, exactly 1 productive post. - Your first point in said post was to say you didn't find FF very scummy. - Your second point was to find Ghost suspicious for the same thing that seemed to clear him for everyone else. - You soft agree with me about Chocolate. - You vote for a no lynch. You had no strong convictions, made no original cases, you simply agreed with other people sentiments, and then chose to vote for a no-lynch, the ultimate middle of the road move. Important note: Notice the fact that you voted for igadob is no where to be found in this reasoning. It's because that move is not inherently scummy, I found you and 3 others that were voting for igadob suspicious, which in turn lead me to believe that Chocolate could be scum. I had enough doubt however to choose to vote for either lynching the scummiest lurker in my mind, or no lynching. Why I find you more suspicious: - Opening sentence of your second meaningful post is "Now for those who are starting to suspect me." What a bizzarre way to start a post, I've never heard a towny be worried about being "suspected" - The rest of his post has absolutely no substance. - Spends 3 paragraphs saying he's going to be inactive a lot. - Says he couldn't make an informed enough decision to switch votes to get a lynch because of his inactivity. - Touts being the first to "bring igadob up. He was a lurker, you didn't do anything special, you just voted for a lurker. Who tries to make their actions look more meaningful than they are? Scum. - Agrees with Sloosh and Zelblade that I look suspicious. Makes 1 extra point about the case that was inherently flawed. You state that I was giving Janaan a pass. I wasn't. In case you did not notice all of those people were lurking really hard, except for Janaan, who was posting enough, just not making a stand on anyone, and that's what I was asking him to do. See what you guys think. | ||
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Post number 1: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2012 21:08 k2hd wrote: Right then. First off, FourFace. His posts sound like a town player who is very enthusiastic about playing things his way, and having fun with his writing style, hence the kooky posting, so I agree that we should take the heat off of him just for now... As for chocolate and ghost, I must say I have my suspicions regarding them as well. I'm not going to quote too much because I think others have done enough of that already while I've been away. Ghost seems VERY insistent on lynching. He's even against using FOS and wants to straight out lynch anyone he considers suspicious, as some have already pointed out. Then, when FourFace places a vote on jekyl just to "pressure" them, ghost posts this: It doesn't really say much about WHY FourFace is doing it wrong, and conveniently places another vote on jekyl. Then, FourFace presents himself as a better, and more possible target for a mislynch. Ghost accuses FourFace of scummy/crazy play, and it seems to me like he is out to get the easy mislynch again. Does he actually just think that FourFace is playing a very weird and seemingly nonsensical style? Maybe, but he has yet to unvote FourFace in the voting thread. Now for chocolate. I don't have as much to go on for chocolate aside from what's already been said, but I think it's interesting that he is voting for FourFace with ghost as well, perhaps hoping to start some sort of bandwagon? This part of his post: I'm going to vote for you for the time being because that was really weird. If you sufficiently explain yourself and start to make sense I will unvote you. Seems like a way of joining ghost in starting the bandwagon, while at the same time giving him the option of pulling out if the bandwagoning fails. I'm just not sure why you would actually put your vote into the voting thread at this stage, instead of just posting the thought and leaving it at that till FourFace actually DID post more so he could decide. To be fair to him though, he (seemingly) hasn't had the chance to read why posters such as alderaan and jekylandhyde don't think FourFace is scum yet. For now, I will remain suspicious of these 2 without voting yet, for reasons that will be explained below. I'm also very curious though to know why everyone is ignoring igabod. Up until now, his contributions have been these 2 posts: All he has done is agree with what has been said so far (without even bothering to put it into his own words, or back his agreement up with his own logic), and since then we have heard nothing from him. Now I should say that this will likely be my last post from now until the voting deadline (the real one) because I have to head off to bed soon for class tomorrow, and will be in uni when the deadline is up. I have pretty much no breaks tomorrow either in between classes. Because of this, I will vote for a no lynch for today only. Since I will be away for so long, I'd rather not vote for a lynch on someone who posts a proper defense when they wake up, or if a better target presents themself and I'm not available to change my vote. Just to confirm, can I ACTUALLY vote for a no lynch, or does that only occur when there is no majority? I will actually probably come online tomorrow during a lecture just to check this post (and change my vote if I have to), wouldn't want to be modkilled for a stupid mistake like this Just fyi, If I cannot vote for a no lynch, I will be voting for igabod no matter what, because I won't have time to go through posts properly in a lecture to consider what everyone has to say. It seems like a safe enough option for now because I am sure I will not get a majority on him anyway at this stage, so this vote shouldn't have an effect on tomorrow's lynch. I'll be able to post more as I have Wednesday and Thursday off (GMT +11). ##vote: no lynch Post #2: + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 21:58 k2hd wrote: Now for those who are starting to suspect me. Ghost_403, I have already explained why I've been inactive (or "hardcore lurking" as you put it). I'm in Melbourne, Australia, which puts me at my most active when you are all busy/asleep it seems (with the exception of the new additions I guess). When you are all active, I am either in class or asleep. It is as simple as that. I can't discuss lynch options with you when you're up, and I can't bounce ideas off others or discuss things when -I- am up, which is why I've pretty much just been making 1 significant post each irl 24 hours. Note that I was able to post multiple times before the game started because it was a Sunday for me, and I was home. I am also going to repeat again that the other part of this hydra account is unable to play at all because of some stuff that has come up, so she cannot post for me. All posts up until now have been by me; BassInSpace, and I will be continuing to post by myself for the rest of the game. Gumshoe, I know you asked me to change my vote from igabod, but as already stated above, I was not going to because I could not consider all the new posts that had been made. That 1 sentence post where I said I would change from voting no lynch (which I couldn't do) to igabod was made on my ipod in uni, where I had no time to check posts aside from the one post asking the hosts if it was possible to vote no lynch. Alderan, I want to ask you now, do you think I'm still suspicious for "stacking" my vote on igabod to potentially save chocolate? I see that you yourself changed your vote away from chocolate, so I'd like to hear what your case is against me now. I already stated why I voted igabod. I had suspicions regarding chocolate and ghost like everyone else (was leaning more towards ghost in fact), but did not want to vote for either one in case they posted some convincing arguments while I was gone, and still have my vote on one of them because I wasn't around to change it. I was the first to bring igabod up, and voted for him because I didn't want to affect the outcome of today's lynch as I figured that sure, he was lurking, but was that by itself enough to convince others to vote for him? Turns out he did almost get lynched, but hey, I missed out on a LOT while I was gone. Not that it matters now anyway. Hi to the new entrants btw  Sloosh, I find your case against alderaan very interesting. And just to add to what zelblade has said, here's this post by alderan: + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 01:28 Alderan wrote: Obviously we need to hear more from everyone, but here is who I'm specifically looking forward to: - Igabod - Chocolate - Janaan (In that, I would like to hear who you want to vote for) - Ghost_403 - Steveling I still like Chocolate as the lynch candidate for today, but I'm going to hold out as I wait for a response. Also I have more reads on Ghost, but again, I'd rather wait for him to respond so as not to jump the gun with divulging information. A note on Steveling. Last game he played a very "I'm a noob town don't lynch me" game as stated in one of his first posts in the scum qt. He obviously can't do this again if he's scum, because he knows I'm town, and I'll call it out. After playing a game with him it seems like he is a person who would use a shtick as scum. Steveling I'm telling you now, if a lurker scum is your thing, I'll find you. He wanted to hear about what those 4 had to say, but janaan is exempt from explaining himself, he just has to tell him who he's voting for. He has now stated that janaan makes him suspicious (in alderan's post regarding those among igabod's voters who he found suspicious), so we will have to see how convincing a case he posts for janaan, or if he is going to post a weak case and let someone else tear it down because it is not concrete enough, thus absolving janaan of any guilt. I say all this because I have also started to get suspicious of janaan. However, I don't think I have enough yet to be any more than moderately suspicious of either at this point (would alderan really shove himself into the spotlight this much if he were mafia? It must be awfully hard to keep from any slips this way... But I'm new to mafia, so who knows). I would like to hear from both of them first before going further with this. I'd also just like to sleep on this too, I've spent hours looking at everyone's filters, having over 10 tabs open and trying to find what I want in each of those tabs. Also, I obviously want to see what the night brings along. I'd also like to read more from jekylandhyde, who hasn't really taken a firm stance on anyone. So far he's put what he called a "placeholder vote" on Chocolate, which he changed to another placeholder vote on DoYouHas. He didn't REALLY want to vote chocolate, he didn't REALLY want to vote DoYouHas, and he didn't want to vote igabod because replacements were coming in, so that he could pressure them. This is while he has had access to the thread more than me. It seems like he may be stalling if you ask me. zelblade, I voted igabod with plenty of time to go before the deadline, so he still had a chance to post after I voted. | ||
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- I'm not sure I was scrambling the hardest to get a lynch, I think that if you go back and look through that last hour or so, I was legitimately torn with which direction to go, because admittedly my Chocolate case was not as damning as I'd originally hoped. - On voting Steveling rather than igadob. Here is my logic. Steveling had cast a vote, igadob had not. If Steveling was indeed an inactive scum, we could in all likely hood clear igadob's replacement. If igadob was scum we had much less information to work off of. I addressed some of the other things in my response to Sloosh. Let me know if you need any more clarification. | ||
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Gumshoe- I think we need a case from Gumshoe soon, he's been active but not assertive, he needs to post an original case rather thanto continue to just evaluate others' cases. Janaan- Extremely suspicious in my eyes, and after looking through his filter I think this case could be more suspicious than my k2hd case. Here is a quote from "Chocolate, of all the people with cases against them seems the most scummy to me, and I can't quite put my finger on why exactly." This quote sums up how he is playing to me. He's not making any original cases, he's not taking any hard stances. He defends with WIFOM constantly, and he has done nothing but agree with the most popular decision of the thread. Here is his filter. I don't have time to make a complete case on him at the moment, about to have to run to class, but just read through this filter and you'll see how useless he has been to the town up to this point. Will return with more after my classes, maybe even in class, if I'm feeling friskey. | ||
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2 lurkers. Steveling had placed a vote. Igadob had not. Both equally likely to get replaced. Both had not posted anything to give anyone a read either way. Lynch Igadob results in: Lurker lynched If town, no additional information. If scum, no additional information aside from voting patterns. Lynch Steveling results in: Lurker lynched If town, no additional information. If scum, evidence (not definitive) that igadob may be town, as well as voting patterns. Playing optimally, in the event that we would have lynched a lurker, Steveling would have been the correct choice. | ||
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On February 29 2012 06:21 ghost_403 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 10:02 Alderan wrote: I might have lied to you. I just went back to the voting thread and here is what I saw: igabod - 5 k2hd DoYouHas Chocolate Janaan Steveling Chocolate - 5 phagga JekyllAndHyde slOosh ghost_403 NightFury Of the 5 voting igabod I have suspicions of 4 of them. k2hd Chocolate Janaan Steveling Of the 5 voting for Chocolate I have town reads on 3 (and a half) of them. Obviously not going to list them. The way this looks to me, without one clear bus target is that we might be right. I think Chocolate may actually be scum. I think they are in a position where they have to stack on the inactive so as to save their team mate. Potentially changing my vote, what does everyone think? So, let me get this straight. Correct me where I'm wrong. 1) You think Chocolate is scummy and make a not terrible case against him. 2) He defends, adequately (according to you), and you decide that he might not be the best day 1 lynch. 3) You complain that people are busing against Chocolate, and change to a Steveling lynch. 4) You then go wishywashy in-between an Igabod lynch and a Steveling lynch, based on almost nothing. 5) You then make the above post saying that you think most of the people on the Chocolate lynch are townies and that they might be right. 6) Call Chocolate fishy. 7) Return to being wishy washy on the no lynch/lurker lynch thing. By the way, you were right on the Steveling thing. If I had been less sure that Chocolate was scum, I would have lynched him instead. Voting lurker? Not in my town. 1) Yes. 2) He never made a defense, I was just concerned about how fast the votes come together, then came his defense that I said was "ok", 3) I never complained people are bussing, I just said a case taking on legs that easily sometimes mean the scum are throwing votes onto them. 4) Not wishwashy, I've explained this enough times though. 5) I stand by that. 6) I stand by that. 7) Couldn't decide if my case was good enough to lynch. Decided it was not and put a vote on Steveling. | ||
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Janaan could have looked blue to a scum. This needs to be quoted, it's the scummiest thing that's been said in the whole thread imo (and definitely not just because its about me. On February 29 2012 13:42 nttea wrote: How about default lynch on alderan If we don't get any better ideas? I feel he worked extremely hard (but trying to not make it obvious) on making sure we didn't get a lynch done last day... Someone called him out on it, and he responded with this: ok so 3 people arguing AGAINST alderan, i don't have any better ideas maybe i just suck at this game and yes there's plenty more time for more info to come out that's why i said alderan unless we get something better. Apparently people seem very against that so i'll yield but i hope someone comes up with something This was the best way i could think of contributing since i thought alderan dropped what seemed like something convincing from his part right into nothing, i was just thinking if alderan was scum it would be really good play by him, if he is townie i don't see what he contributed except making sure nobody got lynched, but yeah it's a pretty weak claim that's why default cause we don't have anyone better from what i can see We're not even 12 hours into the 48 of the day period and he is trying to crush discussion and have a default lynch target... He then abandons that because "people don't like it" and "I must suck at this game". Classic scum moves. | ||
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On March 01 2012 01:55 slOosh wrote: Mindset correction: This is a dangerous mindset to hold as is untrue. There is a difference in a person driving discussion and discussion being generated about/around a person. In this case it is the latter, and it is easy for either mafia or town to defend themselves and thereby "create" content. It shouldn't be considered a town tell on that account, let alone the fact that there are mafia playstyles that are very active (zarepath in NMMIII comes to mind). Stuff revolving around Alderan: First off is the flushing of lurkers. I held off on commenting because of this exact reason, and we see nttea come out, sheeping my case. Could be a newbie townie unsure of how to contribute or a mafia supporting a mislynch, or a mafia busing a teammate under scrutiny to take attention off of themselves. Its good that people are keeping watch of everyone, and a few people have called him out. Please stay on that, and for everyone else keep an eye on that (it is counter productive if we all turn our attention to that since if case he is newbie town we just wasted the whole day, and it might turn into easy bandwagon on him, and we don't need whole town to pressure lurkers) Second: I think we have different usage of the word "set up". Mine is more along the lines of what I bolded in your post, and what I wrote as my conclusion: " he is casting confusion amongst town by setting up multiple suspects without good reason or case". I don't think his goal was to pull off the mislynch D1 (I doubt mafia would be so brazen to do that last minute when it would result in intense scrutiny of whoever caused the last minute swing) - I'm saying that it is suspicious to cast suspicion on people without good reason. Third: I didn't bring this piece of information up since I wanted to see how Alderan, and others would respond to my case and his defense. If you look at his PBPA on Choco and read where the quotes come from in Choco's filter, you will realize that the quotes are not chronological (the 3rd quote is actually written before the 1st and 2nd quotes). This is why my suspicion remains on him - removing time stamps so people won't instantly be able to realize it to build a misleading case and cast suspicion on Choco. At best this is a biased townie who built the case with the mindset of proving that Choco is mafia. Was it an honest mistake? Maybe, but if we spend the whole game excusing potentially intentionally poor play by saying it is a newbie game we won't ever get anywhere. Stance on gumshoe As to the discussion revolving around the N1 Janaan kill - Phagga put it best himself: It is discussion that is inconclusive. We can try to guess what the mafia were thinking, but that is all it will amount to. A guess. Even if we discussed it over and come to a consensus, it is still at best conjecture that isn't strong enough to help find and lynch mafia. The reason why we should stop talking about it, is that it allows an easy avenue for mafia to contribute, because its ultimately meaningless - they don't fear saying anything condemning because everyone doing is just guessing and no one is going to be called out on a guess. I don't like gumshoe right now for two reasons: 1) Is the obviously weak accusations he is flinging at me. For someone who is obviously against the use of meta his sole suspicion of me revolves around meta. I've clearly explained the intentional change in my playstyle, and he tries casting suspicion on me, and getting others to do it for him. Not only is it suspicious for him to do this, I have to divert attention and time addressing this each time so people don't start thinking like him and start ignoring my cases and discussion points, and it is really hindering my ability to generate quality posts. Zelblade basically built a case while I was writing up this post. Will read over it and Alderan's response when I have time during the latter part of the day. Sloosh this is getting repetitive.... - You say I'm just defending myself and that's where I'm generating content. If I'm correct I have posted more player analysis than anyone in this thread. Just because they are not "Super long, one post a day posts" (that I did last game when I was scum; that you are doing now) doesn't mean I'm not generating content. - I didn't remove the stamps, it's just much easier to copy and paste and then add quote brackets. They are out of order because the post was not set up chronologically but topically. I wanted to put all the posts on lynching lurkers together, and then I wanted to talk about his lynch deadline availability. - I don't know how you can call me a biased towny, I've said multiple times that my Chocolate case was not that strong, I've taken into account other's input, and I've posted new cases to see what others thought about it. This is how you scum hunt, and it's also the best way to maximize reactions of the town for more reads. Any other questions? | ||
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Let's see what we got here: I think I can address all of Sloosh and Jekyll's worries about me in one sentence: A person can have more than one case active at a time, especially when the town is as inactive as this one. Look, I posted a couple cases of people I find scummy at the end of the night/beginning of the day period to see what everyone thinks about the cases. Sloosh I used to think you were just playing poorly (while ridiculing my play nonetheless) but now I realize you are just misleading the town to cast suspicion on me. Alderan puts up a case against k2hd, but as Hyde points out he drops case and suspects Janaan. I did not drop anything, I'm suspicious of multiple people, ya know, because there are more than one scum. Then you had this post: On March 01 2012 15:52 slOosh wrote: Alright, gotta sleep now. DYH I don't think right now holding off too much on your case is the best choice. Right now our votes are spread between 4 suspects, and it is critical that we rally and focus on the best possible choice. It could be the case that more than 1 of them are mafia, but even then we should be unified in which one to lynch. Thinking about our friends in alternate timezones, they may not be able to read your case and we can't really bank on Alderan and k2hd posting satisfactorily and I think in this situation a soft deadline would also be helpful. But I trust your judgement - we need content from everyone and not just a few of us. I just want us to be mindful of the situation that we are in. What in the hell does that even mean? Again you continue to try to discredit my name, my cases, and my contributions for seemingly no reason. You already admit that you don't find me as suspicious as you originally did with your first case, so why the blatant cut down. | ||
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K2hd has still not provided anything of value, under the guise of being a "noob town". Quite frankly I'm sick of responses like this. WE'RE ALL NOOBS.... hence the title of this game. Read filters and make cases. I say from this point forward we stop accepting responses like this. His vote is currently on Ghost_403. His reasons: - He thinks Chocolate is town. - Ghost voted for Chocolate. - Ghost made a slightly suspicious post (a point that I actually brought up initially) - Therefore Ghost is scum. What? It doesn't work like that. ##vote K2hd | ||
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Please look objectively? "we can't really bank on Alderan and k2hd posting satisfactorily".... There is only one way to take this sentence, regardless of the fluff you just posted above. I understand we need more contributions, and we need to come to a come to consensus which is why I'm dropping this fight with you. Your vote is on gumshoe, would you consider switching it to k2hd? | ||
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On March 02 2012 04:53 DoYouHas wrote: EBWOP: So should zelblade. If our mafia last game was looking at the situation last night, we would have split the votes equally, definitely no more than 2 on the same person so as to cut losses if some shit hit the fan. I would have set it up where it was 2 maybe on Chocolate (assuming he's town), one on igadob (assuming he's town) and one on a random other. I think the wrench in things when comparing it to last game is the orientation of igadob. Because he was a lurker, and didn't even vote, it's highly possible he was just a scum inactive player, and because we have heard next to nothing from his replacement there's still no way to tell. If this was the case they would make sure to save igadob's life if at all possible because a replacement was almost guaranteed. In this situation I would put one on igadob and the rest on his closest competitor, who at the time was Chocolate. As scum, I would not have wanted any of our cases to have been one of the one's leading the lynch on the first day (I know mine against Dimmuklok was, but I've already said I did not want him to get lynched at all). So that being said everyone would post soft arguments and coast into the first night. The Day 2 was about starting casting suspicion, but again, you don't want to come out real strong against someone and them flip green. So you come out hard against people, but not necessarily put a vote on, or actually try to get them lynched. I did this with Sloosh last game, I believe he might be doing this to me now. There were two lurkers on our team through day 2, and I would expect that to be fairly similar here. Then we had semi active noob scum, Steveling, who reminds me of K2hd from this game. It's all WIFOM'y, nothing solid, but I certainly keep how our scum played in the back of my mind, as this game does seem to be playing out similarly. | ||
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On March 02 2012 07:39 gumshoe wrote: man why is this thread so quiet, does seriously no one have any questions for me? Is test the only one interested in my accusation? This is kinda sad -_- I mean gum, I don't really know what you want.... It's a PBPA against a lurker with 11 posts, 5 hours prior to the vote... We need to be focusing on who to lynch. I think we have targets picked with a little more solid case behind them. Testproject is a good back up plan, but I think there are better cases on the table that will get us more information upon the flip. I'm not sure that test has a lot of informational value at the time. This is I guess assuming that he will eventually come and be a proper player of this game. You know what the say about assuming though. | ||
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If I'm being 100% honest, I don't even remember posting those 2 posts last night. For that I apologize. As for the ntea lynch. It seems unacceptable to allow him to continue lurking and ninja voting. My vote will be on him unless something very drastic happens. ##Vote: Ntea I'm going to go back and read through the last couple of pages again so I can comment on the other issues. | ||
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When I flip town you can almost assuredly say that DYH is town. There are a couple reasons, but the biggest one is that on N1 DYH basically berated me for buddying up to him. This is not something that scum does, they want the town to befriend them, so they can carry votes and look less suspicious. DYH calling me out on buddying him that early in the game would have been a terrible move as scum, and DYH is better than that. Everyone's vote should instantly go on Sloosh. He's done nothing but belittle others (namely me and DYH) under the guise of active posting. He's also the Godfather, so a dt claim that he is town will only show scum who to hit. Honestly if there is a vig, shoot Sloosh tonight. Trust me. Sloosh's hardcore defense of K2HD leads me to believe that k2hd is town. He would not have been this aggressive in defending him had he been scum as it would have looked terrible if me and DYH had gotten the lynch to go through. He wanted k2hd to get lynched so he comes out and looks very town and can lynch both me and DYH. Don't let that happen. The other 3 are not set in stone yet, but in my mind, one is definitely one of the lurker players, probably TestSubject. That can be determined after Sloosh. Also, I feel like I have already been checked by a DT. Do NOT claim. You alive and me confirmed town is worth more to the town than me confirmed town and you shot tonight. If we have another medic, save DYH tonight, and every night you can. Now that I got this out I'm going to provide more evidence on the Sloosh case, just wanted to hurry this out before I was unable to post anymore. | ||
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On March 08 2012 15:26 slOosh wrote: Thanks for the great game guys! Hopefully I didn't overstep any lines - I played to my win con and it required some crafty mudslinging indeed. First time rolling mafia, and I gotta say its not as fun as townie, where you try piecing the puzzle together rather than stopping other people from doing it. But then again it was pretty fun to have people to talk to while playing the game (played so much IRC games while waiting for deadlines and stuff >.<) DYH I think you played really well that final day. I do agree that there isn't any point to posting full lists, and drawing lines cause people on the "other team" less likely to listen and cooperate with you, and gives information that is more helpful to mafia than it is to town. If anything, a full list should only be posted at night where you may fear death. I don't know how effective my play on my meta was this game, but one thing I'm learning is that it really should be disregarded especially in newbie games. Former impressions of players set can lead to subjective rather than objective evaluations of people. I know I did it in the last mini and saw hints of it here and there this game. Many times I wished I was playing with a fresh pool of people so I didn't feel restricted in my playstyle (or maybe that is just feeling you get playing as scum?) Sloosh you were playing well man. I had suspicions of you early, but you never slipped big enough that I could make a good enough case. | ||
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