Storm Mafia

On February 21 2012 10:54 wherebugsgo wrote:


redFF=bad=I have no idea what his alignment is atm. If you want a general idea of how I deal with redFF, look at Resurrection (in which I call him bad repeatedly and then actually defend him from the onslaught of Ace) or at XLVII where I completely ignore him.

He was opposite alignment in those two games and honestly I could barely tell the difference. I guess part of that stems from not wanting to read/decipher his posts.

Since I believe redFF is going to be comparatively unreadable to some of the other players here (read: syllo, kita, chaoser, you, RoL, Jackal, Toad, risk) I think it's more fruitful for us to be pushing players who will react in ways we expect them to react depending on their alignments.

As of now, yes, that means I think chaoser is scummy because he called it strange for me to buddy him and then turned around and buddied you in the next sentence.

Remember: need to know basis. Why does anyone need to know chaoser's town reads?

On February 21 2012 12:16 wherebugsgo wrote:


Okay BC, we're in agreement on two things:

redFF is playing badly
chaoser is playng badly.

Now tell us kindly, what does that imply about these two players?

Easy answers bro.

On February 21 2012 12:20 wherebugsgo wrote:


Jackie poo you never answered my question

since you know redFF better than I do, would you lynch him today?

On February 21 2012 12:30 wherebugsgo wrote:


yes but you never voted him.

Why's that?

On February 22 2012 01:19 Tyrran wrote:


Do you still think toad is scum? If yes, why ?

On February 22 2012 03:44 layabout wrote:

I honestly cannot beleive that we are a good 20 hours into the game and you have not even found 3+ scum. These excuses are beyond weak, and are far from what i have come to expect from Dirkzor the townie.

In other news if anyone has any more shit to fling i would ask that you hold it like a man, or fling it quick so that we can clean ourselves up and catch scum.

I am curious about Jackals apparent attempt to "start a bandwagon" by calling toad scum and not elaborating. For me the the town motivation for doing that would be to provoke reactions from players that he could analyse and perhaps find scum. For instance if somebody were to sheep him for no real reason, they would be more likely to be scum (since a townie shouldn't do that but getting away with a sheep vote would be good for mafia). I think that such an action is unnecessary as town but beneficial as Mafia.

My problem with this play is that + Show Spoiler +
He could have been trying to get Toad lynched based off of nothing, by attempting to create a dumb bandwagon when the game had barely begun. This is all jackal has done (although we are not far in and he has a tendency to lurk) other than add to the childish bickering/insult hurling so far.

On February 22 2012 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Guys - enough bickering.

Can we see a lynch-list from everyone? Mine's trash and I'm going back through the thread now - but I'd like to see a list of dudes you guys are willing to lynch to see if we can make something happen.

On February 22 2012 07:09 redFF wrote:
what, jackal said he thought toad was scum, i think jackal is a good scumhunter, i have similar thoughts, i post why i think toad is scum, jackal says he never thought toad was scum, i call him a wily old fox.

On February 22 2012 08:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jackal

would you kill redFF right now if you had a gun?

On February 22 2012 12:19 chaoser wrote:
the voting/discussion trends are a bit wonky...

On February 22 2012 12:24 kitaman27 wrote:


"hey guys. Look at me quote the standard generic town role pm."

*wink wink*

On February 22 2012 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Daaaaang dude that's like a 262 avg.

On February 22 2012 12:38 kitaman27 wrote:


It was awful nice of them to turn the bumpers on just for you.

On February 22 2012 21:59 syllogism wrote:
As I noted earlier, I do not think it's likely that the setup has a scum tracker but no town tracker. Therefore the town tracker can just counter claim him, but I doubt that's going to happen as it's more likely that he is our town tracker. These are assumptions, but reasonable and likely ones. Anyway, I don't think he is town because of his claim, but due to other aforementioned evidence and rationale.

On February 22 2012 07:09 redFF wrote:what, jackal said he thought toad was scum, i think jackal is a good scumhunter, i have similar thoughts, i post why i think toad is scum, jackal says he never thought toad was scum, i call him a wily old fox.

On February 22 2012 23:42 syllogism wrote:

OP says there are 4 mafia, so that's not a possibility

On February 23 2012 02:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

If I remember right the wording was kind of funny, but the other faction was supposed to refer to the possibility of a serial killer. The odds of two scum factions with two players each is really low, it would be near impossible for them to win.

On February 19 2012 21:05 Palmar wrote:


The Setup

This is a closed normal setup. There are however variations of roles that can be considered non-normal. Thus you should treat this game as something of a borderline themed/normal. The distinction is somewhat hard to make, so just keep it in mind as you enter the game.

It has no explicit themes. It’s only the roles that make the game somewhat unusual. There may be more than 2 factions in the game.

This is a hard setup. It's not forgiving for any faction. Mistakes, disinterest and general incompetence can lead to a quick victory for either side. The game might even feel unbalanced if one side screws up too hard. But trust me that we've gone through like 10 iterations to get this right.

This is a hard setup. I will be expecting everyone to play to their win condition and participate in the game as they best see fit.

On February 23 2012 03:52 prplhz wrote:
I also think that Jackal58 is being weird with his insistence on the possibility of several scum factions (ludicrous), his flip flopping on redFF (town redFF wouldn't think Jackal58 is a good scum hunter is a terrible argument, saying that we shouldn't lynch redFF anyway because Palmar will take care of him. What the fuck, you lynch scummy bastards you don't just expect them to get modkilled because they didn't talk for a day). Also, his Toadesstern tunneling looked very weird since I think we were beyond the more randomy initial phase when he started that. I don't care that he was drunk.

On February 23 2012 04:34 prplhz wrote:
Actually, Jackal58 looks terrible. Those points I just mentioned, his weird defense of me (it was a meta-y defense and I don't think I looked anything like I usually do), saying that syllogism is a better lynch than me which is just crazy considering the information he had available. This post which is guilty of the same thing we're accusing BloodyC0bbler of, complaining about thread without providing an alternative direction.

The only thing that speaks in Jackal58's defense is that it's usually hard to distinguish his scum from his town play. I'm easily more willing to lynch Jackal58 today than redFF.

On February 22 2012 07:42 redFF wrote:
I usually enjoy mafia but wbg has made this game incredibly unfun. wbg if you're sole goal in playing has been to make me mad, consider it accomplished. im out.

inb4 lol, AtE, drama queen, w/e, you're a fucking dick and you actively drive people from this forum.

peace.

On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
So the case on BC is

All he's basically done is argue with jackal
He's mad for no reason
he jumped on the redFF wagon
he hasn't been helpful
He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else
Layabout doesn't want to get shot

and this is more convincing than the case against redFF>

On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote:




Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling?

On February 23 2012 06:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Also in the middle post everything after the smiley is a joke, in case your autism filter is turned on to full blast atm

On February 23 2012 06:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Ok, i have to take off for work soon but as it seems people are being retarded I have to come in and defend myself. Reasons like this post are reasons I am more or less a dick this game. You just said redff is a non issue because he doesn't want to play? If he is scum he is still going to help his team and guess what else? It means you just gave him a free pass to lurk the fuck out of the game without ever contributing and not die unless he actively posts. There are no activity requirements this game and you are letting someone go with a free pass seriously.

You then paint a bullseye on me for being indifferent and not defending myself? The case against me is terrible. Wasting my time on a case that imo doesn't warrant being lynched on is something I should never have to respond to. The fact that said case is also being pushed by players who know better is even sadder.


Whats even worse is you have those same people pushing my lynch saying I am more likely scum, yet one of the major reasons for their defense (as near all of them have also defended redff), is that there was near no resistance to his lynch. Guess what? I have seen very few people defend me through this lynch yet redff has had a ton defending him.

On February 23 2012 06:38 Blazinghand wrote:


brilliant plan but redFF has already voted, on toad

On February 23 2012 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Like are we gonna lynch redFF day3 for a non vote on Day 2? I'm pretty sure that's not even a realistic possibility

On February 23 2012 06:52 kitaman27 wrote:


No need to call people worthless in games you haven't played. It isn't the first time you've done it and it isn't constructive. I haven't been completely absent in this game, I've had classes for the last 7 hours.



Are you questioning whether red could be scum, just not from the same scum faction as yours? Because that's sure is a strange question to ask from a town perspective.

Jackal has a really poor filter and I think we should consider him tomorrow.



mmk, so now rather than a separate scum faction, he might be third party? Scummy conclusion to make.

blazing has moved his vote around plenty of times on the first day, which is a heuristic that generally points town. He can live.

The biggest thing about BC is his view of red. He goes from having a null/"bad" read on red to voting him based on the claim. What I'm wondering is if redff plans to save himself with his vote. Catching up on the posts that were made since typing this up, then I'll make my decision. (yay for last minute swings)

On February 23 2012 06:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Well good news for you WBG is that redFF is dead.

On February 23 2012 06:58 Blazinghand wrote:


AS a town player your goal is to not get mislynched, if you do it's your own fault.

On February 23 2012 12:36 chaoser wrote:
oh...the day ended...my bad guys. Is it always 5 EST?

On February 23 2012 21:14 syllogism wrote:
Based on thread activity and the vote spread, it doesn't appear that likely that BC is scum. Should have lynched jackal for his strange remark about prplhz looking townier at the time than I. Also, while he is never verbose with his reads, his posts so far have been closer to his scum style than his town. Certainly better than lynching our basically confirmed tracker and it's quite stunning to see the list of names who failed to see that.

On February 23 2012 22:51 syllogism wrote:
Amazingly enough that sounds like town jackal talking but it's always hard to tell

On February 24 2012 05:56 syllogism wrote:
No, I won't be posting anything. I'll reconsider whether this game is worth putting more effort into tomorrow if I'm around.

On February 24 2012 07:00 kitaman27 wrote:
If I die, jackal is scum. Otherwise, not scum.

I'll give my thoughts in a bit (assuming I'm alive )

On February 24 2012 07:01 Toadesstern wrote:


1) Because redFF is redFF and wants to survive and thought he had to claim blue.
2) Agree
3) I don't think so. If that ability would be a 1-shot they totally wasted it. And no, I seriously doubt that it's a "normal flip game" but palmar gave a mafia the ability to hide flips every single day essentially making it a no-flip game

On February 24 2012 07:07 Toadesstern wrote:


read the sentence

On February 24 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:

so what's the problem with me saying that I doubt that palmar gave mafia that power?

On February 24 2012 07:23 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay I think I understand what you thinkt I said

You thought I'm saying: I doubt X, but palmar ended up Y
I was actually saying: I doubt (X + Y)

or at least that's what I was trying to say

On February 24 2012 08:56 VisceraEyes wrote:


I love playing with you in games Jackal. You're so fun.

Would you like, do me a solid and clarify your read on syllogism for me? I've had him at a town read, but threatening to quit trying looks really bad to me no matter how you slice it. I think you said you want to lynch him right? That still the case?

On February 24 2012 09:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out.

On February 24 2012 09:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



RoL's biggest tell in near all games as red that I can recall is his activity level. He lurks and will bust out excuses as to why he was inactive but always appears when he has to (called out or to avoid being heavily suspected, etc..) whereas town he even when busy with life shite always has quality posts if inactive.

As for how much it will take for wbg is similar to what I would expect what it will take for myself or RoL. IE contribute. I am overall fine with aggressive posting but aside from a few of his posts he has come off as someone attempting to avoid leaving a huge mark on the thread in solid opinions. He obviously has had some solid posts, but he has a ton of fluff ones as well.

On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
This post is scummy. Seriously, I can't stress this enough. The logic isn't congruent. Predicting scum behavior can be hard sometimes, but this is honestly one of the most straightforward uses of it. We know scum most likely has a RBer, or at the very least we are assuming that.

On February 25 2012 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jackal, we can assume that there's a RB because redFF claimed Tracker. Do you imagine redFF is clever enough to come up with the extra info regarding his role that he came up with (list of targets or whatever)? Like, be careful how you answer this question because I know you know the answer.

If we assume that redFF was Tracker, we can assume scum have a RB because unless their shots are person-person (which IS possible beeteedubz) we can assume that the Tracker is in place to catch RB or some other targeted role (role cop or framer come to mind).

On February 25 2012 03:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Unless they have a very good reason, currently I consider anyone whose vote is not on either RoL or
blazinghand to be scum.

Those two players should be our focus today.

Jackal, where the fuck have you been?

Chaoser? You?

On February 26 2012 03:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



Just got home and to respond to this, look at the current vote update by palmar. BH specifically said his ability was passive. As such RoL should have 4 votes not 3. He clearly has 3 beside RoL's name. There is obviously the chance that Palmar has opted to not show the vote be it with a x2 beside his name or an anonymous vote, but as I have never seen or heard of the floridian worked that way I will call bs on bh's claim still.

My reasoning in part obviously may be wrong based on the setup being different, however I find it hard to believe palmar would include roles that activate and do what they do yet there is never a link to the role use.