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VisceraEyes
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On February 24 2012 09:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out. By your estimation, how much "aggressive asshattery" is it going to take before he's no longer able to "shape up" enough and has to be "shipped out"? That's a really really wishywashy stance on someone who's active when you're largest gripe with RoL is his inactivity sir. | ||
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On February 24 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote: @VisceraEyes Don't you have better things to do that poke BloodyC0bbler? Do you think he's scum? No? Then move on. Yes, actually, as I was going to point out in my defense against WBG's ridiculous case against me, I very much DO think that BC is scum. Do you have better things to do than criticize how I scumhunt? Like...you know...scumhunt? No? Then move on. | ||
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On February 24 2012 09:57 prplhz wrote: You used to be so mannered VisceraEyes. I learned how the big dogs play. I'm trying to stop pissing like a puppy...so to speak.  | ||
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On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now. The fact that BH unvoted BC after one post and has so far done jack shit is indicative that he has no vested interest in actually finding scum. Indeed, in his own post he admits that the case he wrote isn't even his own case. It's like he doesn't want to take heat for pushing BC but wants to be a part of the (now seemingly dead) bandwagon. Also what's funny is that VE is still saying BC is scum but hasn't voted him yet. Get ready for the pain WBG. It's coming. I'm hyping because your butt is going to be SOOOOOOO HUUUUURT. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On February 24 2012 10:09 prplhz wrote: I'm busy and I don't see much reason for me to talk unless people want my opinion in which case I'm very open about it. I have no idea what your problem is, there are several other players who are being more meek and closed and useless and scummy than I am. I don't think BloodyC0bbler is scum because his wagon could easily have gotten rolling in the last hour of yesterday and he was very close to getting lynched and I think scum would have prevented that. How do you feel about that? Um...we're talking to BC right now. Scum DID prevent "that". What are you even talking about guy? | ||
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On February 24 2012 10:11 wherebugsgo wrote: if you are town you are fucking retarded for not seeing how scummy BH is right now I mean, you're just clearly not even paying attention. So I'm going to stop responding to you until I respond to your case. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On February 24 2012 06:59 wherebugsgo wrote: Okay deadline soon and class as well (so even if I'm alive I won't be on till much later. Midterms  )My thoughts ATM: If I die, 100% kill Dr. H. Last time when he was scum I pressured him (albeit harder and during the day, since I actually had time) and then ended up dying. Right now his actions are weird in that certain things he is saying make sense, but other things do not. I'm not very sure on his alignment and many of the things he said recently (particularly what he pointed out about RoL's stance on BC and his agreement with me about VE) make sense. If I'm alive I'll have to strongly reconsider my thoughts on him. Gut says scum, and I can't figure out why. VE and RoL are both good lynches for today, IMO. I would also support killing prplhz, who has been completely inactive over the last 24 hours and said some incredibly strange things day 1. He seemed to sheep syllo just to sheep syllo, with no real opinions of his own. Sure, it's great to follow syllo's lead if he's town, but not everything syllo says is infallible (and yes, if I die please please please listen to syllogism. If he's scum he won't keep the charade up long since his scum confidence is low but at this point I doubt he actually is scum.) VE is a good lynch basically because he said BC was null but then he repeatedly called him scum. His actions don't line up with his words and his scum list, as Dr. h said, looks very similar to the bs he was writing in Arkham City. RoL is a good lynch because he voted redFF but said BC was scummy. I hope this gets in on time On February 24 2012 07:08 wherebugsgo wrote: Alright I'm not gonna be back till later: ##vote VisceraEyes Points of note: -said BC was "null" but also somehow scummy enough to vote -has written fluff posts that are incredibly similar to those from Arkham City -calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it Let me just attack the points of note, because they're easier to digest and they pretty clearly outline his entire gripe with me. - "said BC was "null" but aslo somehow scummy enough to vote" First of all, here is the post I assume WBG is referring to. On February 23 2012 12:46 VisceraEyes wrote: FUCK Jackal - I'd had myself convinced it was Thursday all day - your appearance in the thread has reminded me that it's not. X( Well, while you're here (smashing all my dreams), how about you help me out with something. Can YOU explain what is townie about BC's behavior/defenses that had everyone unwilling to lynch him? I'm not seeing it. All I see are a few angrily and hastily thrown together posts which doesn't really much indicate town to me, although it does indicate null as fuck to me which taken with his behavior the rest of the day seems incriminating enough.... I never EVER said that BC himself was "null". I said that the action of him angrily and hastily throwing together posts was null as fuck. I then go on to say that with the rest of BC's behavior outside the anger and hasty annoyed posts, referring to his nudge of redFF, lack of commitment to a read of red, failure to address the concerns I brought forward after his first appearance in thread, etc., seems incriminating to me. This post is me asking Jackal why the fuck BC lived and redFF died after claiming Tracker. I never at any point say that I have a 'null' read on BC, I'm not in the business of pushing my 'null' reads' wagons to the very last minute. -"has written fluff posts similar to BCAC" This is cute, especially coming from WBG. Mafia is a social game. If all I've been doing had been making fluff posts with no content, this would be a valid point. However, I've put forward more content in D1 than WBG has all game. Easily. EASILY WBG FUCKING HANDS DOWN. -"calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it" This is....hilarious. On February 22 2012 18:56 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Lynch List of Storm's End BloodyC0bbler - My complaints echo the complaints of players such as DocH and Syllogism...he's had plenty of opportunity to come look for scum - he hasn't. He placed a vote on redFF without saying whether he thought he was scum or not. I was less than satisfied with his responses to my posts, and I've been unimpressed with his effort so far in the game. I voted for this guy in L, and while I was herpin and a derpin, he was finding scum and establishing his innocence. wherebugsgo - WBG has similarly not been interested in finding scum. He called chaoser scum lightly at the beginning of the day, but it looked more like an excuse to get into a conversation with him than anything. This is directly after he just got done buddying him in his introduction post.  Followed up with calling redFF bad ad nauseum. Very clear to not say scum - only very bad. Suddenly this all changes after red sheeps after Jackal? Sheeping is something scum and town do in equal parts - verily, many a veteran townies count on a few sheep to push their agendas. Claims that most of what red has done can be explained 'with scum motivations'. Fails to elaborate or support this idea. Just throws it out there.RebirthOfLegenD - my weakest read - I'm really only interested in showing RoL rope if he doesn't start looking for scum. This redFF wagon essentially pushed itself, and he's making it his MISSION to make it happen. I don't even know if RoL thinks red is scum or not. But it's pretty clear that he wants red to die. TODAY. I can support a lynch of any of these three players, my preference is WBG, followed by BC, with RoL being my least favorite choice. On February 24 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Doc that this doesn't have to be a conspiracy thing - this is WBG's strategy regardless of his alignment as far as I'm aware - get someone flustered, see if they slip up (town)/call their reactions scummy (scum). However, taken with the rest of his play, I agree with you that he's probably scum trying to fluster you this game. Radfield was leading scum unlike I've seen a vet lead a scumteam before, and I've been on a few scumteams here. I probably wouldn't take those quotes to be 'general scum strategy' here...although, I haven't played with you enough to know if you're REALLY that dangerous or not. I'm aware I haven't responded to your case against me - I'll get around to it. Please keep that in mind regardless of what you perceive my alignment to be...sound observation is sound. WBG is latching onto DocH's case without doing a thing himself. He's not even interested in my side, he hasn't asked questions, he's just throwing shit to see what sticks. Nothing is going to fucking stick. Because it's all bullshit. It's a bullshit case built on someone else's legwork who (no offense Doc) is probably just pissed that I had them fooled last game with my scum play. He's bouncing around, hoping someone somewhere will take what he's doing as effort, but I think most everyone here is smarter than that. ##Vote: wherebugsgo Bang. Die scum. | ||
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On February 24 2012 11:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Boiling down an entire case to "revenge" and writing it off like that is monumentally stupid by the way No Doc, I'm going to respond to your case - I just get the feeling that you're NOT going to trust things I'm saying because you're biased because of last game...that's all. I go to pretty hard lengths to APPEAR the same as town or scum. I mean, take what you want from that, but it's just how I see successful Mafia as being played. I'll respond to your case properly, I promise...but I actually do have to do some work (I mean, they're paying me for it), so it will be just a bit later. | ||
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I hope you're not talking about the way I format my posts Doc. I was talking about my playstyle, the way I push people. I just like making things look pretty dude. Go read my FIRST GAME HERE. It's something I do regardless of alignment or role...because I like doing it. It helps me organize my own thoughts while proofreading posts and (by my estimation) helps the reader more clearly take in the info I'm presenting. Okay, fuck it. I'ma go do this because I think you've got me all wrong (for real this time.) But to be fair, I'm going to be repeating myself a bit because WBG's case is derived (unrepentantly) directly from yours...so bear with me. | ||
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On February 24 2012 05:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: VisceraEyes The most obvious choice imo. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=117978 I looked far back to find a game with VE as town and did. Responsibility Mafia. I noticed something that immediately stuck out to me as a scum player trying to imitate his own town meta. In RM VisceraEyes makes catchy posts when he calls out a scum. He will bold/color his posts, say it's some kind of special list, etc. In RM he is focused. He calls out one scum and backs his case up. It's not a fluff post. It's not a summary. This town VE doesn't bother with that kind of stuff. Scum VE in Arkham City posts similar lists, but instead of filling it with substance and focus he does this: A long list of players with basic summaries of what may or may not make them suspicious is fucking USELESS. It's not a case, it doesn't start a bandwagon, it doesn't get you anywhere closer to lynching scum, it shows a lack of effort in picking one and making a convincing argument (because you can't) it shows a lack of focus and it seems to me you are just trying to imitate a similar style of play. But the substance is different. He argues with redFF but doesn't make a post summizing his case, making his points clearly in one spot. Instead he chooses to fill those "list" or whatever posts with more useless filler. Useless summary. A lynch list is retarded it just makes you look like town. You can really just sum up other peoples arguments too, reword them a little, boom you look like you're helping. You don't need to announce that you agree with me if you're town. Just expand on my ideas or push them too. You seem uncertain and wishy washy about BC but at the same time very very upset he wasn't lynched? Why is that? If you're town you only have reason to be disappointed that he wasn't lynched if you are pretty proof-positive he is scum, especially with a player of BC's potential. The early game behavior I'm not too awfully alarmed by other than your friendly attitude. You are giving out compliments and buddying up with people a lot which isn't something I see a lot of town players take the effort to do. Doubtlessly, you've learned a bit from Arkham City. However, the early game behavior doesn't jump off the page as helpful pro-town shit either and your behavior after the flip is very concerning: very defensive and overreacting to the situation. I really doubt I'm 3/3 here but I try not to think too much about the scum team as I do about individual scum. When I think about the scum team I worry too much about if they would bus, are arguments fake, etc. etc. etc. and I go insane. It's much easier to just analyze people as individuals and determine whether or not I find them to be scummy. You'd be surprised how little I actually learned from ACBC. Like, I still to this day attest that the only reason I got lynched was because Palmar told you guys I was scum.  Anyway, here's my defense. You chose one post to illustrate my read of BC. One. BC had been my strongest scum-read all of D1, and aside from the 'useless summaries' I posted, he's pretty much the only person I called out as being scum all day yesterday aside from early on in the day when I thought red was scum. And as I told WBG, you're taking what I'm saying out of context. I was saying his action was null, but with his other actions it looked scummy. I was asking Jackal a question, and this was AFTER the lynch. You remember, the lynch with no flip? Where all of us were left with nothing but more questions? I don't understand why you're saying I'm 'wishywashy' on my BC read. I think the guy is scum, and I want him to come in here and prove me wrong if he's not. As far as my lynch-list is concerned - it's a lynch-list. It doesn't get any plainer than that. Those are the people that I'd like to hang. But to call my comments 'useless fluff' or 'rewording others' cases' is unfair. I was trying to be succinct. And if you look closely, you'll notice that in the scum-meta you found, I wasn't really giving any thoughts at all...just spreading doubt. And like EVERY READ was a lurker. I literally SAID that I was echoing your complaints on BC, but then I add thoughts of my own (I was dissatisfied with his responses to my posts, briefly gave a meta-read). And with WBG, I didn't just summarize his play - I questioned things I thought were questionable and noted things I thought were notable. They weren't just 'things that may or may not indicate his alignment', they were things that gave away his alignment to me. You're mistaking my lynch-list for a case. A case it was not sir. Nor was my defense of WBG's farce, in spite of it ending with a vote of him. And I'm sorry I quoted Simpsons at you at what I felt was an appropriate time (when you were saying things I agreed with and hadn't considered). I get that you're super serious, but I try to also have fun in these games. I understand that the fun comes to people in different ways, I just assumed a little joke was cool. Henceforth, I'll treat you with the same super-seriousness that I treat Syllogism. Clearly you're a no-nonsense kind of scumhunter. I can get behind that. | ||
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On February 24 2012 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote: wtf is this opposite day? BH JUST CLAIMED SCUM stop being thick and start reading I don't know if everyone else quit reading WBG's derp when I did, but I just noticed this: our first vote of the day was WBG on me, based on a shoddy 'case'. Now, I hadn't refuted his nonsense yet, in fact had done nothing but antagonize him. Yet this post seems to indicate that he knows I'm town. Why would he tell me to 'stop being thick and start reading' if he actually thinks I'm scum? Why would I give a shit if BH claimed scum if I were his scum-buddy?WBG is scum guys, and he claimed it hilariously by telling me that BH claimed scum. How's that for irony? | ||
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On February 24 2012 13:35 wherebugsgo wrote: So you've stooped to discussing semantics, I see. If by content you mean repeatedly calling me scum (which I don't consider content because you're wrong) and sheeping syllo's case on BC after contradicting yourself on redFF, sure. This is incredibly funny since you actually accused me of being wishy washy on redFF...when you basically did the opposite of what I did! You went from calling redFF sure scum to voting BC when the votes on redFF started getting serious. Quoting a joke post as "calling me scum" lololol Admittedly I actually never saw this post. That's completely my bad. My bad. Okay, this is deliberate misrepresentation. You bring up a post that calls me scum AFTER I say that, and use that as a reference for when you called me scum? Okay, I was in the process of dropping you as a scum candidate because of some of the things you said, but this is deliberate misrepresentation and it is scummy as fuck. I really highly doubt a townie would try to make another player look bad by taking something that happened AFTER I said something to simply try and prove a point. I never even read Doctor H's case on you, because quite honestly I stopped paying attention to Dr. H after I stopped pressuring him at the end of the night phase. the fuck? I'm pretty sure that's what Blazinghand is doing. At any rate, what's annoying me is that I can't reconcile the stark differences in your play. You've either become considerably harder to read as scum or you've gone back to being shitty at town. There's the proving a point thing and your overall stretching to call me scum that makes you look really scummy, but then your overall effort and presence look like what you did in Responsibility. HOW DOES CHANGING YOUR MIND MAKE YOU SCUM? If you are actually town, ask yourself that. Stretching. That's what you are doing to try and make me look like I'm scum. It's as if you've assumed I'm scum and then based everything I've said around that assumption, which is quite frankly retarded. That's probably why I'm so annoyed right now, because I can't fathom how stupid someone must be to think I am scum this game. I'm recalling something Toad said before, and I now feel his pain lol. It was something like "everyone calls me scum when I'm town and when I'm scum I look uber town". roughly I think you're scum because I have to beat posts like this out of you Bugs. What the holy fuck do you expect? Also you're acting scummy as fuck, so why the hell wouldn't I think you're scum. UGH. If you're scum and you're willing to gift me Blazinghand, I'm willing to let you live and convince me otherwise (much like I'm doing with BC - NOT being wishywashy you ass.) Blazinghand however is basically screaming his scuminess from the mountaintop, never giving a fuck who's around to hear. I'm gonna put my vote down now....slowly. SLOWLY BUGS ##Unvote: wherebugsgo ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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On February 24 2012 13:46 wherebugsgo wrote: running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL) You realize how counter-productive that is right? I mean, OMGUS is one of the leading causes of mislynches. Ask any scientist. | ||
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On February 24 2012 13:53 wherebugsgo wrote: calling them bad usually doesn't equate to calling them scum. it's a great way to poke people into reacting certain ways.I remember I did it to prpl in PYP:I on day 1 and I basically caught him as scum instantly. But the lucky bastard claimed something in PMs that left him alive till the last day. I did the exact same thing to chaoser that same game and then harassed him in PMs for a good 4-5 hours. His reaction was almost identical, oddly enough. I get the tactic, but it's annoying as piss and makes people trying to rationally find scum wade through this shit and wonder if you're being manipulative scum or just an asshole townie. And you've been defending BC. Like WHY THE FUCK bugs? And what about syllo's play is reading scum to you? These are the things I'm having difficulty reconciling. | ||
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I gotta finish up here and head home...I'll be back in a bit. | ||
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On February 24 2012 15:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: by the way VE I'm just curious what purpose would a "lynch list" ever serve a town player to post in a million years i'm trying to think of things more useless and i'm not coming up with much Do what you gotta do Doc. What do you think about Blazinghand? | ||
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