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RebirthOfLeGenD
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Blazinghand
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wherebugsgo
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On February 22 2012 11:11 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah I dunno why you keep talking to yourself, or log into your smurf to post fake conversations of you talking to you so is this your admission that you like spamming? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
BloodyC0bbler isn't taking syllogism's accusations seriously (for some reason, nobody is even though syllogism is pretty good at mafia). There are more in the accusations than just "BloodyC0bbler doesn't have a read 5 hours in", he is saying that your mindset doesn't seem focused on finding scum. I totally agree with this. He specifically quotes this: On February 21 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: [...] I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better. You see that the discussion is bad, you say that people should try to find whoever is responsible for this, but you never do this. You are the one guilty of strawman arguing when you insinuate that syllogism's accusation was just based around how you didn't have any reads 5 hours into the game. Additionally there's plenty of bad stuff in your filter. This post where you complain about what's being discussed without providing anything of an alternative. You were just as guilty in letting the initial discussion get out of hand as those people whose existence you alluded to but never tried to find. I understand that you might not like how redFF was being a douche towards Ace but your comments on that doesn't count as a contribution. You didn't post a single read this entire game, and I don't care if anything is 5 hours into the game or whatever, reads are what push this game foward, AMIRITE? So, BloodyC0bbler, is redFF scum or is he just best lynch because of the situation he's gotten himself in? Do you have other scum reads? I'll vote redFF to avoid no lynch. I kinda assume that this is an extended majority lynch where we can end up in a no lynch sitaution, but the OP doesn't really say anything about that. But like, redFF probably isn't scum, come on. There's also plenty good in having him around since scum can't role block anybody else no matter redFF's alignment. The lynch today comes down to "We very likely have to lynch redFF at some point, should it be today or do we have something better?". Right now, I think it's too early to say. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote: I'll vote redFF to avoid no lynch. I kinda assume that this is an extended majority lynch where we can end up in a no lynch sitaution, but the OP doesn't really say anything about that. yeah it does. go read again. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote: Okay I don't think that redFF is scum because he's been pretty out there. The scummiest he has done in my opinion is his claim which was oddly timed. Right now he's a terribly easy lynch, because we'll have to lynch him at some point. I'd like to see wherebugsgo explain how everything redFF has done can be explained by scum motivation and can not be explained by town motivation. The worst thing about this whole redFF thing is that the lynch is so easy that everybody can just pile onto him and then the day is kinda ruined, we aren't going to find anybody else. I don't think that redFF is scum because he's just been putting himself too much in the line of fire. BloodyC0bbler isn't taking syllogism's accusations seriously (for some reason, nobody is even though syllogism is pretty good at mafia). There are more in the accusations than just "BloodyC0bbler doesn't have a read 5 hours in", he is saying that your mindset doesn't seem focused on finding scum. I totally agree with this. He specifically quotes this: You see that the discussion is bad, you say that people should try to find whoever is responsible for this, but you never do this. You are the one guilty of strawman arguing when you insinuate that syllogism's accusation was just based around how you didn't have any reads 5 hours into the game. Additionally there's plenty of bad stuff in your filter. This post where you complain about what's being discussed without providing anything of an alternative. You were just as guilty in letting the initial discussion get out of hand as those people whose existence you alluded to but never tried to find. I understand that you might not like how redFF was being a douche towards Ace but your comments on that doesn't count as a contribution. You didn't post a single read this entire game, and I don't care if anything is 5 hours into the game or whatever, reads are what push this game foward, AMIRITE? So, BloodyC0bbler, is redFF scum or is he just best lynch because of the situation he's gotten himself in? Do you have other scum reads? I'll vote redFF to avoid no lynch. I kinda assume that this is an extended majority lynch where we can end up in a no lynch sitaution, but the OP doesn't really say anything about that. But like, redFF probably isn't scum, come on. There's also plenty good in having him around since scum can't role block anybody else no matter redFF's alignment. The lynch today comes down to "We very likely have to lynch redFF at some point, should it be today or do we have something better?". Right now, I think it's too early to say. I'm kinda feeling this too prpl, but right now I can't analyze in-depth right now. Are you more down with a BloodyC0bbler lynch? Because I mean, it wouldn't take much convincing for me, as I'm less than impressed with his...what, 5 posts? Not much there. That's my main issue, but then, if we didn't lynch people who don't participate, scum would just sit there silent e'ry day. Ugh, I just need like, FIVE HOURS ALONE with the thread...that's all I need - I feel like a few scums have revealed themselves. :d | ||
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prplhz
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wherebugsgo
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Is it possible for a no-lynch to occur? | ||
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prplhz
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prplhz
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wherebugsgo
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On February 22 2012 11:29 prplhz wrote: @wherebugsgo It did appear very clearly in the OP that you can't ask questions to the host in the thread though, you have to PM your questions. Also, I think it's plurality lynch. it was in a spoiler that I forgot about since I ctrl-f'd right before :p On February 22 2012 11:29 prplhz wrote: @wherebugsgo How do you feel about syllogism's accusations against BloodyC0bbler? they're pretty weak and I don't know what syllo is going on about. The fact that you agree with his accusations only cements my existing opinion. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
Dirkzor Cool case, brah. Would it be ok to say that chaoser is a red read to you, then? If not, who then? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Anyway, don't you think that this redFF lynch is an easy way out for scum? Right now, it's going to be very hard to argue against a redFF lynch and I don't think he's scum because he's just been too much out there. All of his "misrepresentation" looks like he was just a bit overburdened by the load he put on himself, and I don't really think they look overly malicious. When was the last time you saw a scum go out during the first hours of day1 and misrepresent somebody's opinions to legitimately push their lynch? Everybody in this game can right now just jump on redFF with 20 hours left in the day and that would kinda be ruinous if redFF isn't scum. The only thing that looks really weird to me was his claim but he did announce in the thread that he would claim soon if people started piling onto him. Then you started pushing his lynch and he claimed and that makes it kinda expected. Also, his extra information (busdriver/redirector conjecturing) seems like too much hassle for redFF if he was really scum. If redFF is your strongest scum read, who's your second strongest scum read? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 22 2012 11:44 Jitsu wrote: I wouldn't roll with a BC lynch at the moment. He pretty much said exactly what I was thinking with the "role does not equal alignment." There is no defined set-up information, and it could be plausible that a tracker type would be on the mafia side. No? Dirkzor Cool case, brah. Would it be ok to say that chaoser is a red read to you, then? If not, who then? He made one okay point therefore we shouldn't lynch him? I agree with it too. That doesn't mean anything really. BC is way better than this. He's playing negatively, passively, he's criticizing others for not contributing past the PL discussion but offers nothing to the thread himself. Yeah, RedFF could be faking it and the fact that he hasn't said a role name yet makes me suspect but I feel way stronger about BC with that last post of his now. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On February 22 2012 11:12 Blazinghand wrote: Sup RoL I see you voted I see that you see I voted. On a related note, I read BC's filter and I always have a hard time deciphering him, but I would be fine killing him too since I do see what syllogism was saying, plus I'd rather get him out of my head. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
So maybe you could cut down on them. Also, my neck is fucking killing me so I'm probably a bit cranky right now. @RebirthOfLeGenD So, redFF or BloodyC0bbler, who's it gonna be? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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wherebugsgo
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On February 22 2012 11:46 prplhz wrote: Cool. Anyway, don't you think that this redFF lynch is an easy way out for scum? Right now, it's going to be very hard to argue against a redFF lynch and I don't think he's scum because he's just been too much out there. All of his "misrepresentation" looks like he was just a bit overburdened by the load he put on himself, and I don't really think they look overly malicious. How is anything you have said here indicative of redFF being town? If I were scum and redFF was on my team I'd bus him. So yeah, perhaps the lynch is an easy way out for scum because regardless of his alignment redFF would probably get bandwagoned by them. If you think that redFF is an easy way out for scum why don't you explain which players on his wagon are scum? You really think BC would play that badly as scum to bandwagon someone as the what... fifth vote? On February 22 2012 11:46 prplhz wrote: When was the last time you saw a scum go out during the first hours of day1 and misrepresent somebody's opinions to legitimately push their lynch? Everybody in this game can right now just jump on redFF with 20 hours left in the day and that would kinda be ruinous if redFF isn't scum. First of all, why does it matter if it hasn't happened before? Second of all, I do it all the fucking time as scum. Look at Responsibility. All I did was misrepresent opinions and I was the first damn vote on LSB. I led that lynch by stretching my points as much as possible. Third, look at any game in which scum dies day 1 and you'll see a pattern: they played fucking terribly. How is that different in this case? On February 22 2012 11:46 prplhz wrote: The only thing that looks really weird to me was his claim but he did announce in the thread that he would claim soon if people started piling onto him. Then you started pushing his lynch and he claimed and that makes it kinda expected. Also, his extra information (busdriver/redirector conjecturing) seems like too much hassle for redFF if he was really scum. How is it expected for someone to claim this early based on four votes? Especially based on me voting him, when he apparently thinks I suck and am simply antagonistic? Everything he has done since I voted him (and I even defended him for a long while before I voted him) has shown that he is simply panicking and trying to stay alive. In what way is leaving him alive going to help us? Plus, the roleblock thing is retarded. If he actually is town don't you think he'll come back tomorrow and say "oh hey guys I got roleblocked."? So again, answer me this: what use does a living redFF have for us? As long as redFF is alive, he's going to suck up the discussion and cause us to talk about him. If we leave him alive we have two scenarios: 1. He gets roleblocked and returns with no result. So, people try to kill him based on what he said today. If people disagree with wanting to kill him, we end up in a massive loop of "why aren't we killing redFF" 2. He doesn't get roleblocked and people come and say "why didn't he get roleblocked? Mafia would definitely roleblock him! He needs to die!" Since he claimed tracker, regardless of his actual alignment his result will most probably be completely useless even if he's not roleblocked. If he's scum obviously his "result" will be useless, and if he's town we'll still have no idea what to do with the result unless he tracks the night kill. On February 22 2012 11:46 prplhz wrote: If redFF is your strongest scum read, who's your second strongest scum read? Doctor Helvetica. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 22 2012 11:56 prplhz wrote: @wherebugsgo Ad hominems are really fucking stupid in this game. There are hardly any new players you could hope to bully into anything. All you can achieve is make people dislike you which will reduce your town pull, or maybe starting a pissing contest that will make it harder for meaningful discussion to take place while cluttering up the thread. I haven't personally attacked anyone in this thread. I have called them bad, I have said that their play sucks, and that they are in general useless for town. All of these things are game-relevant and actually pretty important. If you're referring to the fact that I said your agreement with syllo cements my opinion that syllo is wrong, then yes, you deserved that (and no, it is not ad hominem.) It is my opinion that syllo is wrong, and your agreement is bad. That's just indicative of you being bad. Since Dr. H also agrees with syllo, and his posting has been quite shitty, I think he's scum. On February 22 2012 11:46 prplhz wrote: So maybe you could cut down on them. Also, my neck is fucking killing me so I'm probably a bit cranky right now. @RebirthOfLeGenD So, redFF or BloodyC0bbler, who's it gonna be? I think you're just mad because I pointed out that your opinion is worth next to nothing since it's clearly wrong. | ||
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chaoser
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