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OKay, back from work.
I dont understand people trying to devert the RoL pressure on me. There is no reason lynching me over RoL. I've been apparently useless, and RoL was diverting town from scum hunting. So i'm a better lynch? ONly if you are scum ( hi prplhz and VE).
@DocH : I understand your point about RoL, but you seems to think that he is scum. Why shouldnt we keep a scum alive and risk lynching a townie ? ( although I could go with a VE/Toad/prplhz lynch too, but i'm more confident on RoL for now).
@Kurumi : You say there is no new evidence. He was the second focus of the lynch yesterday, but no one that seems scummy voted for him. The player who pushed the most for his lynch was murdered by scum, and flipped blue. While scum could be playing with us, it seem clear to me that they saw a danger in Syllo, who was pushing for RoL.
I understand there are still more active player that are scum, but i dont really see why we should keep RoL alive.
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On February 29 2012 03:56 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 03:55 Tyrran wrote:
OKay, back from work.
I dont understand people trying to devert the RoL pressure on me. There is no reason lynching me over RoL. I've been apparently useless, and RoL was diverting town from scum hunting. So i'm a better lynch? ONly if you are scum ( hi prplhz and VE).
@DocH : I understand your point about RoL, but you seems to think that he is scum. Why shouldnt we keep a scum alive and risk lynching a townie ? ( although I could go with a VE/Toad/prplhz lynch too, but i'm more confident on RoL for now).
@Kurumi : You say there is no new evidence. He was the second focus of the lynch yesterday, but no one that seems scummy voted for him. The player who pushed the most for his lynch was murdered by scum, and flipped blue. While scum could be playing with us, it seem clear to me that they saw a danger in Syllo, who was pushing for RoL.
I understand there are still more active player that are scum, but i dont really see why we should keep RoL alive. didn't you say I'm your mayor scumread all the time? I recall you voting me yesterday as well or at least "threatening" to do so oO
I still consider you potential scum. Your play at the end of day 2 made me think there was no way you were town.
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Okay, so mafia likely has 2 KP, because i dont think any player here is stupid enough to vig shot syllo. Also, with RoL getting modkilled, i moved my vote to prplhz.
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On February 29 2012 07:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig's please kill BC and Dirkzor
Not forgetting RoL
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On February 29 2012 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 07:14 Tyrran wrote:On February 29 2012 07:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig's please kill BC and Dirkzor Not forgetting RoL I think RoL is town
What is you reasoning behind this ?
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On March 01 2012 18:20 Toadesstern wrote:
well I kind of agree with you although I would have bombed RoL instead, or VE or WBG.
my mafia powerrank would be something like
#1 RoL
#2 VE
#3 WBG
#4 DocH / BC
#5 BC / DocH
which looks a lot like your reads except that I got VE in there.
Why do you think layabout is mafia?
RoL case is a bit special. The fact that he insist on town lynching him proves that he is not town. So either he is mafia, with a special ability that trigger as he dies, or he is a village idiot, winning when lynched. Lastly, he could also be a traitor, making us waste a lynch on him as mafia goes unscatted.
DocH : You havent shared the results of your investigation yet? Why ?
My stand on WBG :
Rereading the game, he has been on the wrong lynches all game long. He pushed for : RedFF ( hidden), BH ( Blue), prplhz (green). This and he admitted that he knew that Syllo was blue the nigth he shot him. He also soft-protected RoL from dying day 3. (" Dont lynch RoL, he is going to be modkilled")
The fact that he willingly said he knew Syllo was blue made me think he was town. I mean, mafia WBG could just have hidden that. wouldnt that have been strictly better from mafia point of vue ? So for now i'm still unsure.
I will reread VE's filter today too.
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On March 01 2012 18:44 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 18:38 Tyrran wrote:On March 01 2012 18:20 Toadesstern wrote:
well I kind of agree with you although I would have bombed RoL instead, or VE or WBG.
my mafia powerrank would be something like
#1 RoL
#2 VE
#3 WBG
#4 DocH / BC
#5 BC / DocH
which looks a lot like your reads except that I got VE in there.
Why do you think layabout is mafia? RoL case is a bit special. The fact that he insist on town lynching him proves that he is not town. So either he is mafia, with a special ability that trigger as he dies, or he is a village idiot, winning when lynched. Lastly, he could also be a traitor, making us waste a lynch on him as mafia goes unscatted. + Show Spoiler +
DocH : You havent shared the results of your investigation yet? Why ?
My stand on WBG :
Rereading the game, he has been on the wrong lynches all game long. He pushed for : RedFF ( hidden), BH ( Blue), prplhz (green). This and he admitted that he knew that Syllo was blue the nigth he shot him. He also soft-protected RoL from dying day 3. (" Dont lynch RoL, he is going to be modkilled")
The fact that he willingly said he knew Syllo was blue made me think he was town. I mean, mafia WBG could just have hidden that. wouldnt that have been strictly better from mafia point of vue ? So for now i'm still unsure.
I will reread VE's filter today too.
[ A VI would have died to my shot because neither mafia nore town would have protected that. Same with a Traitor. "The fact that he insist on town lynching him proves that he is not town" is wifom and if we start making that kidn of thing a viable defense everyone who's about to get lynched will simply say "hey sorry, I sucked, just lynch me. That's best for town". How are you supposed to tell the difference between people who say that because they really think so and people who say that because they don't want to be lynched? Right you check their filter. RoL however has no filter.
I'm not defending him. He is not town. That's not possible.
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On March 02 2012 14:42 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 13:51 Jitsu wrote:
I'm contemplating.
This could feasibly be the end of the game if we mislynch. Trying not to rush into a choice when i'm overtired. we only lynched townies so far. We also tried to kill RoL three times in a row, I even shot him and it always failed because something else was more important according to wbg. How about RoL was right all along and people like wbg said stuff like "everyone not voting BH has to be considered mafia" or "just ignore VE if you're not sure of his alignment" to get people lynched HE wanted to be lynched. Like BH and prpl? I actually don't know if wbg was one of the guys pushing redFF d1 but if he was redFF was most likely a townie himself. Will check that tomorrow. That's stuff that should make you want to lynch RoL if you think wbg is mafia. Of course there's also enough evidence on RoL himself but people already pointed that out multiple times but again, do you really think a townie would ragequit like that and coincidentally show up 2 minutes before the deadline? Sure he did not want to be modkilled but why 2 mins before the deadline? There is simply no way he was really afk. He knew about the deadline all along, he was watching this thread and waltzed in here 2 mins before deadline. Do you really think he checked his pm's coincidentally just right in time? Let's just assume he did not. What would a townie do if he were to log in, let's say 2 hours before deadline only to see a pm from palmar telling him, that he still has to vote? A townie would get in this thread telling people he's here and at least tell peolpe that he's not going to be modkilled, resulting in people changing votes back to RoL again. He never wanted to be lynched. If he really wanted to be lynched he would have told people earlier and not just 2 mins before the deadline when it was certain a vote switch was too late. That's just so super convenient for RoL and all this was not a coincidence. RoL knew about the deadline, he did not by coicidence check his pm's 120seconds before deadline, he did that on purpose to not get modkilled and he did that move to not get lynched in the first place. If you really think that RoL is playing protown and that timing is a coincidence I really can't help you. It's TL Mafia XLVIII all over again just that I'm sitting on the other end this time... I now truly know how Palmar felt in that game 
I agree with all of this. RoL has been a potential lynch for 3 days now, and has failed to defend himself convincingly or to build a case explaining why someone else would be a better lynch. He must die today.
If he flips scum, WBG is our next lynch, as he is pretty much the reason RoL is still alive.
##Vote RoL
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Layabout is scum. Lynch rol now. I'm the operator.
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Because it is the common name. DocH knew it too. And the complete name is Phone Operator btw.
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On March 03 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
And laya's actions are confirmed in-thread...who have you put in contact Tyrran?
All people in contact have allready claimed, that would prove nothing. If i die tonigth, you'll see my flip and you will lynch layabout.. If i'm alive, i will annonce with my first post the two player that were masoned. They will be able to confirm it and we will lynch layabout.
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Oh and i've been pushing for RoL lynch since day 2. Whereas layabout just tried to save him by getting toad lynched instead.
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I masoned Cwave and Jitsu. I chose the player that had neutral alignement ,and that had few chances of being killed by scum.
I dont see why we should keep layabout for last. He has not even tried to defend himself yet. Look at his post claim : "I am town, vote with me". He openly admitted he was trying to influence the vote to save a scum. This alone should make him confirmed scum.
Killing a confirmed scum is always the best move. Lets kill him now and decide between WBG and kita tomorrow.
## vote Layabout.
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On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
-_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.
yay logic.
also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs?
I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch.
And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum. they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time. I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game.
That's a pretty weak argument. If they had received their PM and were town, they would have claimed by now.
There is something that doesn't make sense. Unless layabout was spamming F5 and actually managed to post 3 minute after I announced who was masoned, he knew who I masoned. Which pretty much means that there is a tracker in the scum team. (This also means that redFF was likely blue). But if they tracked me, why would they also roleblock me. This doesnt help support layabouts claim.
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EPT
