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On February 23 2012 11:11 Steveling wrote: I think my quotations were pretty obvious to go into trouble to explain. I hadn't yet filtered him obviously. I just had the impression of pro-town posting behavior. I made this case AFTER I filtered him and seen each post individually. And anyway,besides that, how on earth are you ignoring trackdoors and hawkings cases to turn on me? What's the reason behind this turn? I'm calling to your reasoning, you didn't listen to it on DYH case for which you said you took full responsibility and I didn't hold you accountable for that, because I reasoned things out. Do the same. How can you not take a step back and evaluate what is going on? We are at a critical juncture of MYLO, where one mislynch loses us the game, and you decide that continuing the planned course of action is the best thing to do without regard for anything else? | ||
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On February 23 2012 11:17 Mattchew wrote: we are at the stage of mislynch and lose (if we don't have a doc which i doubt we do). Meaning scum can bus and kill 0 - 3 straight nights and if we mislynch 1 time of those they win... meaning there are a lot of possibilities track I think we need to lynch certain scum and I think the only 2 I am still sure of is tkhawk and zelbade TKhawk is because of his completely terrible attitude to getting accused. He looks for pure sympathy to not be lynched and never provides any actual reason why he shouldn't Zelblade rages hard at me which is funny cause he is raging at me for being too aggressive. Its contradictory. I think sloosh you may have something with steveling but I believe in these 2 more. Steveling is a little risky to me to lynch today for a couple reasons.I like this post and I like this post. Both say that he is unsure of MG making me unsure of him. You are basing your townish/ neutral read on him because he was unsure of the MG lynch? | ||
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On February 23 2012 11:25 Mattchew wrote: I am basing my lets not lynch him today because of that ET was wrong about MG. Janaan was wrong about MG. Jaj22 was wrong about MG. DYH was wrong about MG. Do you see why I have a problem with you leaning anything remotely town on him because he was unsure about MG?? | ||
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To Steveling: How can you not take a step back and reevaluate our course of action? You obviously have a problem with me and soft accusing me of falling into tunneling again, but don't you think you too can be susceptible to it yourself? How can you approach today's lynch with such confidence? | ||
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On February 23 2012 12:05 Steveling wrote: Because I value cases. That's how. Do you know why I didn't believe Midnight was scum? Did you even read my filter? Because I said there wasn't a solid case against him. Only minor stuff. The real question here is HOW CAN YOU vote for me above all when we are in MYLO situation. There's no solid case on me. There's not even a case. And you are skipping on two hard constructed cases for what? If this was day one I wouldn't mind. But we will lose now, and we will lose because you are fixating on a comprehension error based on a 7 years old vocabulary. You are not making sense. Alright then. What do you think of Alderan? | ||
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On February 23 2012 12:01 EchelonTee wrote: If the scum team included trackd00r, it would mean that he is being bused, as at least 3/6 of the people here think that he is scum. I wouldn't lynch him today, at the very least. The same goes for TKHawkins. TK might even be modkilled, so we should leave him for now. Of the people available, I would be most comfortable lynching zelblade, or rgTheSchworz. Why rG? The only opinions on him have been "he's pro town/should post a bit more". He hasn't gotten the same scrutiny that MannerKiss got D1. I agree with this conclusion. It is the same reason why I don't want to go for trackd00r or TKHawk right now, and its the same reason why I looked at the people pushing for these two. Steveling happened to be the most vocal. What irks me most is how the heck people get town reads from Alderan. When I dropped my preliminary read, it was just that. I dropped my preliminary read. I didn't do it because I think he was town. I dropped it because I had slight paranoia. It moved him to neutral / null in my book. How the heck are some of you guys treating him confirmed? | ||
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On February 23 2012 12:19 Steveling wrote: How can you even ask me that after all I said. Let me make clear my opinion, anyone else except trackdoor and hawkings is suicide. You obviously aren't looking ahead are you? We need 4 successful lynches to win. So what if we lynch trackd00r and hawkings? Then what? Just keep following Mattchew's plan? | ||
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On February 23 2012 12:36 Steveling wrote: What happened to 1 lynch at a time. Just hours ago everyone thought of it like a gospel. Guess what changed with the double town killing tonight. Nothing. That's right. There are still four scum. We still have two solid cases. It's 5am now but the worse thing is, I feel like nothing good came out of it. Cya tomorrow. I think your case on trackd00r is weak. It highlights some sub-optimal play but that's it. It boils down to, 'he isn't that great of a player, so let's lynch him'. He does give reasoning and he does put effort into contributing. You might not like the quality of the content but it doesn't make him scum, it makes him a newbie, which is the type of game we are playing. You don't even consider his defense of your accusation. It's like you are certain he is scum and won't even listen to him. Don't even say anything about DYH - I gave him chances to respond twice before making my decision. You haven't listened to him once. As for TKHawkins, I still want to avoid that, not only for the reason that too many people are pushing for his and trackd00r's case, but this whole replacement thing is iffy and I would like that sorted out before we do anything. | ||
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On February 22 2012 05:06 gumshoe wrote: Tell me how Hawk wasn't the reason a townie died. Tell me why he is actively trying to seem so hostile to the point that we will never listen to him. Tell me how his tunnel on Janaan is useful. Tell me how he's so sure that I am town. But most of all please tell me a story about why this man is not mafia. So that I can tell you a story about why you are. Read over your case, and I don't like it. You are going in with the assumption that he is mafia and interpreting everything according to that. Hawk wasn't the reason that DimmuKlok was lynched. We all wanted to avoid a no-lynch. Sure he fumbled with the votes, but its a newbie game. He came from scII land and he genuinely might not know how to vote, seeing as its his first time. Your perceived hostility of him is actually his response to Mattchew's antagonistic style. I know how mad I can get when people treat my posts condescendingly and calls them "retarded". Now, this is my second game playing, and I understand that there is an element of role playing. I can see him genuinely hurt from Matt's verbal assault - he doesn't have that tought exterior we develop playing mafia. His FOS on Janaan was wrong, but that doesn't make him scum. The reasoning he provides for suspecting Janaan is understandable. He is clear. You might not like his logic but it isn't contradictory. I can't tell you why he thinks you are town. He has to answer for himself. I'm keeping my vote on Steveling till I hear his response. Call it a gut feel but something doesn't stick right with me in his actions post night 2. However, I want more information before I can consolidate anything - offering half complete cases will just get shot down fast and coming back with a reformed case just doesn't hold that much weight. More specifically: Zelblade, Alderan , rgTheSchworz - please come in and post. | ||
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##Unvote: Steveling ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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##Unvote: Steveling ##Vote: Mattchew Will post explanation soon. | ||
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The possibility revolved around a Mattchew/Steveling/Alderan / ??? combo, so I wanted to see his response to me voting Steveling. This is why I think Mattchew is scum: The biggest thing is that he still hasn't posted anything. I'll quote myself here: On February 23 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote: I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other. However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content. Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means. I have to say he is leaning town right now. However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect. Look at his post day 3 actions. He has STILL yet to post any original content AT ALL. He hasn't done anything constructive with the content produced by his plan, but instead just gave us some town reads and pointed out who he doesn't like with little one liner reasonings. Not contributing anything at all. This type of play is so Anti-Town, and firmly steps into the land of scum when the situation is MYLO and there is no reason why town should hide anything. The next point is observing how he shows favoritism to Alderan and Steveling. On February 22 2012 11:23 Mattchew wrote: Alderan is town because there is literally nothing scummy about his play at all. If we are right about the other 3 being scum theres no way in hell they would let him (or he would) post anything about the switch from ET to Dimmu, which he did On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote: Alderan - There is no way he would bus or bring to light that many scum with him also bringing up the first night's last hour switch. He puts a focus on a very scummy event and with no real cases anywhere to be found he brings up a lot of good discussion points with his posts The couple things to note here: his absolute certainty that Alderan is town. It is absolute. And it is poor logic too. It's all based on his fixation that his suspects are scum and therefore mafia would not act in such a way => Alderan town. Using WIFOM as a basis for confirmed town reads? Pshh. Second bold line. Look at Mattchew's filter and ctrl f Alderan. He only quotes him once, and shows no indication of thinking Alderan brings up"good discussion points". As for Steveling: On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote: Steveling - Didn't vote Dimmu day 1 which is a bit WIFOM but also logically not scummy. He posts a pretty big case on gum and then another on tkhawk. He likes my case a lot which has kind of blinded me to reading him for real. I would value someone else's opinion on him more than my own, however for me he reads town. Wishy washy on him, but puts him in the most likely town reads section. Doesn't actually give reasoning but just some observations. Another favoritism post I forced out of him here: On February 23 2012 11:26 slOosh wrote: ET was wrong about MG. Janaan was wrong about MG. Jaj22 was wrong about MG. DYH was wrong about MG. Do you see why I have a problem with you leaning anything remotely town on him because he was unsure about MG?? Not only has he not mentioned Steveling's stance on MG in his prior most likely town list, but is hesistant to vote him and resorts to mentioning how confused he is and how he wants to read over the filters, and then ignores this and moves onto trackd00r. Couple of soft evidence (stuff I wouldn't base a case off but definitely supports it) He directs blues. The first thought I had reading the night 2 post was, "Why did they shoot Janaan of all people" - I believe it a vig snipe as vigs are the most dangerous to scum right now - then I asked "How did they identify him as vig"? On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote: Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order Alderan TKHawkins trackd00r Janaan zelblade Remember this? The vig list with no explanation? He is fishing for blues and Janaan takes the bait here Absolutely no reason to make such a list as town. Pro scum agenda. On February 21 2012 11:03 Mattchew wrote: also theres the chance of a miller gum I don't think it is a stretch to say he is experienced enough to know that my case came at day 1 before a possible detective check, and certainly knows there is almost no possibility to me being the 2nd detective after jaj22 flip. Instead of trying to help gumshoe think productively, he puts this in. Pro scum agenda. On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote: Sloosh - he tunneled DYH based on meta and his own case. He blindly stuck by this and I realize that I could have his latest posts have proven him a valuable asset to town. He also could die tonight. Remember to read nothing into it other than it confirms him as town and having the right intentions with his posts. No reason to post the bold part. It is a town thing to make sure people don't WIFOM night kills but there was no danger for this at all. I'm guessing it is redirect of medic prot. In either case, if I'm posting my town reads I don't comment on how much I feel like they will die or not. In the least that logic should apply to anyone who dies, not just me. | ||
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On February 24 2012 08:23 slOosh wrote: As perhaps seen by my pressuring Steveling after the night 2 post, I have suspected the possibility of Mattchew as scum. The possibility revolved around a Mattchew/Steveling/Alderan / ??? combo, so I wanted to see his response to me voting Steveling. It wasn't supposed to be a proper case. It was to gauge Steveling's and Mattchew's reactions. Mattchew's defense: "I played a terrible game". Seriously you guys buying this? There is absolutely no effort to make cases or substantial efforts to hunt scum in his play. There is a difference between trying your best and making the wrong reads (like me with DYH) and not trying at all to make any decent reads. Furthermore, my case stands strong and his response is junk. It is not based on him believing his reads, but him showing favoritism and applying different logic to different players. He shuts down players for lurking / not contributing, but somehow thinks alderan is confirmed town. His basis of leaning toward town for Steveling is based on his read on MG, which is illogical as four townies have read him wrong. | ||
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On February 24 2012 09:41 Alderan wrote: This Mattchew bandwagon is cute and all, but quite frankly ET and Sloosh haven't you done enough OMGUS tunnel tunnel town lynches?DYH is the most obvious example, but you both had made cases against MG (which in my mind is why Janaan shot him). Townies don't try reasoning with their top scum reads to stop trying to make bandwagons. Case closed on Alderaan. | ||
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On February 24 2012 13:46 Mattchew wrote: Sloosh you make me look open to others opinions with your tunnel vision... I also answered your actually terrible case but hey you can ignore that... Ignorance is bliss right? Hmm yea I can really see the effort to prevent a town loss in this post right here. Mattchew isn't town as he hasn't contributed anything of worth after his pressure play and he STILL HASN'T DONE SO. | ||
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