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Blazinghand
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In fact Kita, you've historicaly nayyed every team except for the team you suggested, Dirk/BH/VE. The ONLY difference in this team is that I've been swapped out for Navillus!
Context: Kita suggested Dirk/BH/VE. This team is Dirk/Nav/VE
Let's take a look at your reasoning for being skeptical of this team you've yayvoted:
On March 02 2012 12:11 kitaman27 wrote:
dirk has a really weird response to my questioning the other day. He called me scum after calling me town only a few posts prior. After I brought it up, he responded that he may have decided that I was scum based on everyone else calling me scum, which is really sketchy. VE has been really inconsistent with his reads, but I'm still leaning town. nav hasn't really done anything. I listed him as my weakest town read earlier, but its incredibly difficult for me to differentiate between an apathetic scum and a inactive townie.
I'll vote yay since I'd like to play the game out, rather than settle for a draw. However, if the team sabotages, I'm not going to be bullied out of the teams anymore and will likely go back to insisting that I'm included.
So dirk has a weird response... To what? In the last 6 days, he're's you
ONLY interaction with Dirk:
On February 25 2012 14:25 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 14:23 Dirkzor wrote:
I'm leaning Me/nav/palmar (lol)
can people get behind that? (I'm not posting the team yet as I want to reread some filters first.) lol what? Who is your scum team if you're proposing a team like that? o.O
That's it. That's all you interact with him about. What questions? what pressure?
And Nav? Nav hasn't done anything substantially different since you wrote:
On February 25 2012 14:36 kitaman27 wrote:You can call me kita for short, prplhz. I'm leaning towards Palmar, sent/you, and nav/chaos? Tough to get all three spot on without a mission submission, but based on the voting patterns, that is what I'm leaning.
Has chaos13 become more town since then with his crap team submission that only I yayvoted?
Who's your scumteam? What's with this weird reticence on that yayvote? Do you think these guys are scum or not? What's so special about Nav, or what's really changed about Dirk and VE since you last suggested a team that was ALMOST the same as this one, the only team you yayvoted? Why so scared?
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On March 02 2012 12:29 kitaman27 wrote:
Perhaps, was there a reason you suggested nav for your team other than the fact than you think he was Palmar's "fall guy"? Or were you simply looking to go with a team that would pass?
I think it's pretty clear that Nav as a fall guy would not be scum. That being said, Nav has missed several votes (including his own) and has only ever yayvoted one team, and it had prpl on it. He's town, but with crap reads. Palmar is scum. Sent is probably scum. If I couldn't scrounge together a team that would pass, this game would end in a draw because there's nobody who's both smart AND town coming up in the lineup. I'm fucking Henry Clay, I'm gonna compromise the shit out of this deal.
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Blazinghand
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So your only problem with this team is that Nav is going in your place, but you like VE and dirk
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Aww yeah a team everyone liked. This is me right now: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/URBvZ.jpg)
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Yeah obviously. The real question is "who should we add as the fourth member"
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In case you're confused:
Day 1: 3 people
Day 2: 4 people
Day 3: 4 people
Day 4: 5 people, 2 sabotages needed
Day 5: 5 people, 1 sabotage needed
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So you're not a fan of Myself, Chaos, Kita, or Sent as the fourth man
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You know given how hard palm and prpl are insider each other's butts I'm wondering if one of them (prpl?) might actually just be town. I guess third scum would be like, kita then.
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On March 02 2012 23:43 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 12:23 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm just saying that Dirk being scum is unlikely (but not impossible) if Palmar is scum. He'd want to pick two town players on his D1 team almost certainly, even assuming he can coordinate who's sabotaging (which he definitely could). My interpretation of Palmar's team suggestion was this: Palmar is scum, and he suggested Dirk and Nav who he both knew was town. He suggested Dirk because he wanted to look like he was suggesting a team, and he suggested Nav to be a "fall guy" for when the team failed, making up some bad rationalization of "well scum would care about the game more". I just don't think it would be optimal play for a Palm/Dirk/X scumteam to put both Palm and Dirk on a team together like that with Nav. Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 18:54 Blazinghand wrote:
Sorry, can't deal with a Navillus team. He stopped by the thread a couple of times to ask questions and generally fail. The fact that he showed up after the deadline to offer a "team" and then immediately dipped up out is even more disconcerting, IMO. I really think you could have done better than Navillus. Much better.
I like Dirk. I'm not actually super pleased with you on the team either, especially if you think Navillus is somehow one of the three townest players in this game.
There are much better people you could have picked as man #3 for the team, like Kita or myself.
That being said, thank you for suggesting a team.
##Vote Palmar: Nay Find the difference... Can't? I'll spell it out for you. Post 1) BH say that its unlikely that I'm scum if Palmar is scum based on Palmars first team suggestion. Reason for that is, if Palmar is scum he would want to bring 2 town players with him. Post 2) BH suggests that Navillus is scum (or atleast scummy looking) based on Navillus lack of thread presence and due to him not suggesting a team in time. He also think that Palmar is looking scummy for choosing Navillus as a member of Palmars team. How could BH not find the same reasoning in Post 2) that he did in Post 1) ? Also why did he think this in between those two posts: Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 05:49 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't like Dirk since his interaction with you (palmar). I don't like Navillus, period. Currently acceptable third members for a team with VE or Sent: Chaos13, BH. MAYBE PRPL but I don't really like him atm. BH is scum. And by extention so is Chaos13.
Ah yes you're right, there's no reasonable explanation for me changing my mind over the course of the 10 days between those posts, which included dozens of pages, several team submissions and votecounts, etc. Clearly this is scum behavior not somebody changing his mind based on new evidence.
On March 03 2012 00:37 kitaman27 wrote:
I think its funny that blazing passed through the first successful team and everyone comes to the assumption that he is scum. If he submitted the team, why wouldn't he be added on as the fourth member? If I'm not able to be part of the team, then I think blazing makes the most sense.
You clearly haven't looked at it from another player's point of view. Take a moment and think, man ._.
If you're Navillus and you think that BH is scum, it wouldn't be inconsistent with your views for him, low on town credibility, to do the Resistance equivalent of bussing an ally-- suggesting a team that you know will pass. I consider this to be fairly unlikely given the possibility of a town win since all it takes is one good fourth member for a D2 and D3 victory, but it's not impossible. If you begin with the assumption "BH is scum" then nothing inconsistent has happened. In fact, you might even say that I was attempting to head off some sort of similar suggestion from prplhz or Palmar, attempting to take credit for a team that was inevitable anyways. People will bend the facts to fit their conclusions assuming one doesn't rule out the other.
Also I don't like the "with prplhz" team.
##vote: nay
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On March 02 2012 22:32 chaos13 wrote:
Huh. I sent my votes in this time, but they're not even in my PM outbox. Strange.
I would yayvote the same team again, even if Dirk is on it. It would make zero sense to nayvote a team that was just successful.
Goddamn dude are you even reading the thread, D2 team requires 4 people
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On March 03 2012 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 00:37 kitaman27 wrote:
Cool.
I'll nay a prpl team if he includes himself. We just passed through a team, why would we send one of the likely scum suspects when we have a chance at winning this? Just because it happens to be his turn for submission, doesn't mean that he we should settle for a less than ideal member. There is no longer a threat for a draw.
Obviously I would prefer myself to be the fourth member. I know palmar and prpl have been opposing me, but we don't need scum votes to pass it through. Just because they are outspoken against me, doesn't mean they've got the towns best interests in mind. I think there are enough players that we could pass this through.
I think its funny that blazing passed through the first successful team and everyone comes to the assumption that he is scum. If he submitted the team, why wouldn't he be added on as the fourth member? If I'm not able to be part of the team, then I think blazing makes the most sense. I'd say it's more of a result of a mod pressure than people actually supporting BH. I don't think support for the guy is unanimous. It's more of, if we keep this stalemate going for political jockeying, the game just ends in a draw.
Yeah also this. A draw would be super lame, and this was a team that was mostly acceptable to mostly everyone. The only people who should be automatically on the D2 team should be the three who were on the team today. Although *I* personally am the best fourth member, that doesn't mean I should automatically be put on the team. We should debate and see what people suggest/vote and get more info.
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On March 03 2012 05:07 Navillus wrote:
Also ##Vote Prplhz: Yay I've been thinking about this a bit and actually agree with BH last page that it's unlikely that both Palmar and Prplhz are scum and think if one of them definitely is scum it's more likely Palmar. Now I'm just confused as to why BH nayed when he put forth that Prplhz could be town.
"prplhz is possibly town" is very different than "man this guy is the best fourth man"
He could be town, but I don't think he's the towniest player remaining. Of the 6 players who didn't go, 3 are scum and 3 are town (barring some weird "scum holding fire" deal).
Here's what me and the other two town players are thinking right now: "I know I'm town, which means of the 5 players who aren't me and haven't gone, 3 are scum and two are town. Unless I have a great read on someone being town, I should really try to send myself."
Here's what the three scum players are thinking: "I want to be the fourth man"
On March 03 2012 05:07 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:On March 02 2012 23:43 Dirkzor wrote:On March 02 2012 12:23 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm just saying that Dirk being scum is unlikely (but not impossible) if Palmar is scum. He'd want to pick two town players on his D1 team almost certainly, even assuming he can coordinate who's sabotaging (which he definitely could). My interpretation of Palmar's team suggestion was this: Palmar is scum, and he suggested Dirk and Nav who he both knew was town. He suggested Dirk because he wanted to look like he was suggesting a team, and he suggested Nav to be a "fall guy" for when the team failed, making up some bad rationalization of "well scum would care about the game more". I just don't think it would be optimal play for a Palm/Dirk/X scumteam to put both Palm and Dirk on a team together like that with Nav. On February 21 2012 18:54 Blazinghand wrote:
Sorry, can't deal with a Navillus team. He stopped by the thread a couple of times to ask questions and generally fail. The fact that he showed up after the deadline to offer a "team" and then immediately dipped up out is even more disconcerting, IMO. I really think you could have done better than Navillus. Much better.
I like Dirk. I'm not actually super pleased with you on the team either, especially if you think Navillus is somehow one of the three townest players in this game.
There are much better people you could have picked as man #3 for the team, like Kita or myself.
That being said, thank you for suggesting a team.
##Vote Palmar: Nay Find the difference... Can't? I'll spell it out for you. Post 1) BH say that its unlikely that I'm scum if Palmar is scum based on Palmars first team suggestion. Reason for that is, if Palmar is scum he would want to bring 2 town players with him. Post 2) BH suggests that Navillus is scum (or atleast scummy looking) based on Navillus lack of thread presence and due to him not suggesting a team in time. He also think that Palmar is looking scummy for choosing Navillus as a member of Palmars team. How could BH not find the same reasoning in Post 2) that he did in Post 1) ? Also why did he think this in between those two posts: On February 23 2012 05:49 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't like Dirk since his interaction with you (palmar). I don't like Navillus, period. Currently acceptable third members for a team with VE or Sent: Chaos13, BH. MAYBE PRPL but I don't really like him atm. BH is scum. And by extention so is Chaos13. Ah yes you're right, there's no reasonable explanation for me changing my mind over the course of the 10 days between those posts, which included dozens of pages, several team submissions and votecounts, etc. Clearly this is scum behavior not somebody changing his mind based on new evidence. I wasn't the fact that you changed your mind. It is the fact that you used 1 reasoning later on (which helped your agenda) which you clearly couldn't see early on even though palmar and I pointed it out for you...
My god you're so dense. Let me lay it out for you:
1) I didn't like Nav on Palm's team. I thought he was scum when palm suggested.
2) Palm and I argued, and I got the idea that instead, it's possible that Palm was scum and Nav was a fall guy. This seemed pretty reasonable.
3) That being said, Nav was not one of my three most town players. Before I did my votecount analysis, I was thinking "VE Sent BH". I didn't like that Dirk and Nav were sitting on Palmar's dick, and didn't really know what to make of that, so I went with my 2 strongest reads
4) I realize Sent is scum, and am thinking that BH VE Dirk would probably be beast, dick-sitting aside
5) I am not a viable team candidate but Nav is probably clean, since I'm very sure palm is scum by this point, so I suggest my team.
Did you actually read my entire filter or just quote random shit or what
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Oh hey look it's Scum Sent giving a Scum yayvote to his scum buddy Prpl
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On March 03 2012 06:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh hey look it's Scum Sent giving a Scum yayvote to his scum buddy Prpl Please explain. At the moment, prplhz's logic is looking infinitely better than yours.
Read the post below the one you just wrote and stand in awe of his ability to say random shit and at first glance make it look coherent. unsupported reads (despite the fact that he claims he's supporting them) contractory claims, still thinks... Nav... Ve... man I don't even what
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On March 03 2012 06:34 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 06:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 03 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh hey look it's Scum Sent giving a Scum yayvote to his scum buddy Prpl Please explain. At the moment, prplhz's logic is looking infinitely better than yours. Read the post below the one you just wrote and stand in awe of his ability to say random shit and at first glance make it look coherent. unsupported reads (despite the fact that he claims he's supporting them) contractory claims, still thinks... Nav... Ve... man I don't even what
Like how is he surprised you yayed when you're his scumbuddy oh wait he's not
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Well Nav let's see what you got
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Okay guys we all need to vote Nay and here's why: I was wrong about Sent being scum, it was actually VE.
Right now you're thinking, "Hey Blazinghand that sounds totally crazy are you a crazy man or what"
No, I am not crazy. So let's go over objections to VE being scum:
1) Well if he's scum why didn't he sabotage?
Well this is pretty clear. On March 02 2012 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
It should be noted also that there might have been a misunderstanding about the sabotage rules - there was a night-phase in Resistance 1 where the scum team was given the opportunity to submit a sabotage. In this game it looks like scum have to submit their sabotage WITH their vote...so it's possible there's scum on the successful team who forgot to submit their sabotage. And with as many 'Failed to vote' as we've had, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
VE didn't send in his sabotage action because he misread the OP. This is him telling his scumteammates not to flip out, he's got it covered.
2) Wait if he's scum what's the deal with his interaction with prplhz?
VE's "attack" on prplhz is very mild and contained, and he actually is trying to communicate that he'd rather be on a team with Palmar than prplhz
As you can see, VE is interacting with his scumbuddy prplhz.
So then we ask "well what's the deal with VE voting no on the team with prplhz?"
On March 04 2012 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Sorry guys - I meant to yay that team...I'm a failure.
SEe now it makes sense! He couldn't feel confident crumbing to prplhz not to double sabo (from their interaction) so he nayvoted it. VE is not that stupid, he would have yayed it if he could The reason he nayed is that he wanted to get the "Cred" for yayvoting but nayvote it so he could go with the much easier to communicate with Palmar.
On March 03 2012 11:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay okay, looking back, really the only reason I think you're scum is because of how buddy-buddy you've been with prplhz. I haven't been taking into account how cocky you are about your reads...I should know better.
##Vote: Yay
If this mission fails, who do you suggest we replace Palmar?
And Palmar reciprocates:
On March 04 2012 04:42 Palmar wrote:
everyone in the game has posted enough to be understood.
SCUM ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER IN THE THREAD YOU GUYS. VOTE NAY ON THIS TEAM
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On March 05 2012 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Stop being ridiculous BH, of course I'm not scum.
oh what a stirring defense please explain more mr nayvote with prplhz yayvote with palmar
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