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On February 06 2012 18:41 Tunkeg wrote: Joker claim At first I thought bad idea (I don't like sacrificing town powerroles), but after thinking it through I think this might be a good idea. Because if Joker is a standard vig with one shot he won't help us all that much anyways. Losing him would be bad in the way losing a townie is bad, but getting Batman completely on our side would more than weigh up for that. If Batman have any brains at all he would play standard safe townplay (after the Joker death), do DT checks and push lynches on scumtargets he had checked, to boost his towncred, all the way until he revealed Hugo Strange, which he then would just off, and leave victoriously. The cons of a strategy like this is if there is a Joker but not a Batman in the game. Then we would just lose a blue for nothing. But overall the idea of Joker claiming is a good one. I dont like this idea. I agree that as soon as the Joker dies, Batman works with the town. At least until Strange is dead too. SO if Joker claims, Batman kills him and then joins town. But, actually, even with the joker alive, i do not think batman will start shooting randomly. His victory condition includes killing two specific people, one town and one mafia. At least one of them is going to die during this game, so the only way batman could NOT fullfil his victory condition is if one side wins before he manages to kill the target that belong to this side. Therefore, at least during the beginning of the game, Batman should not want to favor any side . Therefore it makes more sense for him to use his DT power rather than shoot. And even if we sacrifice the Joker, if we get to Strange early, then Batman wont help us cleaning the remaining scum. We should discuss joker claiming once Hugo Strange is dead. Then it could be a good way to get batman off our asses. And as far as town is concerned, catwoman should be considered as scum. She wins if scum wins. She migth lose if town wins. A pretty strong one as she is immune to night hits, and cannot be discovered via DT. | ||
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On February 06 2012 20:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote: If the early DT checks die, it was all for naught. He might as well shoot into the dark. And if he misses his target, it was all for naugth too. Except one side is now closer to win and thus it reduces a bit his chances to find his target in time. The number of player alive are gonna drop anyway. Random shots do not make sense. Plus you underestimate the possibility of taking advantage of the information you have. You know that X is not one of your target ? Push for someone else being lynched. X is not mafia and you know it. Easier to make a case defending him. DT hecks are much stronger than Random shots. | ||
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On February 07 2012 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Moving on to Cyber_Cheese: Cyber_Cheese's points about Catwoman are wrong. Or maybe it was Tunkeg? Someone said "catwoman should just shoot the most pro-town people", that's not true either. Catwoman should DT until she finds her target then kill them. She doesn't win with scum. If scum win before two-face/penguin are dead then Catwoman loses. Shooting the most pro-town looking people will probably just result in red and green deaths. If you even broadcast that advice or assumption why would two-face and the penguin put themselves in the spotlight? Now Catwoman is in a WIFOM situation where she has to guess what her target is thinking and shooting randomly is unsafe, puts her at a higher risk of losing the game. With the combined full force KP of batman/catwoman/mafia all shooting into "town" (except batman/catwoman don't know who town is, although you guys seem pretty confident they will know implicitly) the game will likely end with scum winning and town with both third parties losing. I'm not going to crunch numbers because I can't do math but I'm guessing of at least one of each candidate surviving to endgame in this scenario are pretty high. I hope that clears things up. I think Cyber_Cheese is either mafia or, more obviously, Batman. I don't know why I didn't put it together before but the player trying to get the Joker offered up scot free with no clear pro-town motives seems like a pretty good bet for me. If he's not third party or scum I'd be pretty shocked. Can anyone link me to some games in which Cyber_Cheese was a town aligned player in memory? As much as I agree with you on Batman, I disagree on you Catwoman stance. In my eyes, Catwoman wants to help scum. Her target are one vig and one vig/DT, both valuable target for scum. A scum victory will most likely pass through the death of both of these player. I'm not sure she is going to shoot N1 ( even tho shes has 3/4 chance of hitting town), but she will start shooting much earlier than Batman. We could get lucky and have her hit scum, but i wouldnt rely on it. As far as I stand, i'm considering Catwoman as a scum that town should get rid of if given the possibility. @Kenpachi : Are you planning on being usefull, or do you want town to lynch you before you got the chance to do it? Are you planning to do anything else than OMGUS'ing people that vote for you ? The only reason i'm not voting for you is that you've had similar bad play in Steamship. How are you expecting town not to lynch you with this kind of play ? @rgTheSchworz : So now that you created some pressure in order to get lynch target, what did you find out ? Who do you think we should lynch ? | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:30 Tobberoth wrote: Sorry for pulling a n00b card again, but what is this mason discussion? From what I gathered on google, mason is a flavor thing which allows some players to have secret meetings during night... how can this happen in this game when PMs aren't allowed and there's no role with that power? Or has the power roles gotten information not available in the OP? Masons are townies taht know each other and that can communicate wich each other outside of the thread ( PMs, QT, IRC). Yes the OP did not include masons, but as i understood it, it is a semi-open setup meaning the OP did not include all information. Until the other masons claim, we have no reason to beleive him tho. And once the other claim, we can lynch BM to confirm the other mason. I think BM claims is bullshit. I dont see any reason for claiming so early when Catwoman is hunting for power role. Why are you claiming BM ? | ||
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On February 08 2012 07:43 Cyber_Cheese wrote: At all the votes on me: We should satisfy the neutrals town targets asap so they don't have any reason to fire randomly. You can pray they DT if you want, but It's not something I want to rely on. I still feel like someone that could kill every night might do it just because they can, and I still suspect it's more optimal than DT'ing. I expect 2-3 groups arose to take a stance on my plan: -Mafia to shut it down -The townies who are targets, out of selfishness - But that's the last I'm going to say about it. This is just plain bad. Why would you sacrifice 3 blue role ( one to Batman and 2 to catwoman) just to get rid of the 3rd party, not even to get rid of real scum. Just of the chance they shoot and do not DT ? On day 1 ? Why should they shoot randomly early ? Why ? How do shooting early help them satisfy their win condition ? It doesnt. That is just 100% scum play to get rid of town blues, how do you not realize this. This plus the fact that I got no gut feeling on sheth means you get my vote. ##Vote Cyber_cheese | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:38 chaoser wrote: you idiot....toad/palmar both claimed two-face. And they both told you to not to protect them since they are "unkillable" or some shit like that. They need protection. Two-face doesnt count as dead until both palm and toad are dead. But they can still die individually if shot. | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:52 rgTheSchworz wrote: Ok people, I am gonna announce something. Who else has claimed apart from Kurumi, Toad, BM and me? Palmar claimed to be mason with toad. Toad says he has no idea what plamar is talking about. | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:57 rgTheSchworz wrote: And QT thing is legal and real? QT thing is real. It was created using a Role. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:36 Toadesstern wrote: also I'm a VT from now on. As mentioned I used my shot on Kenpachi. If you are a VT from now on, would you mind sharing the details of your role ? I mean, you are not 2 face, and you dont have any power anymore. You can as well share with us what you were. Beleiving DocH is 99% town doesnt help if you cant convince us. I'm not asking you to out the role of DocH obv. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:10 Toadesstern wrote: no I won't. I already claimed that I shot Kenpachi and that I got only 1 bullet. I don't want to give Batman any hints and tell him if he has to shoot me or not. I'd much rather see him DT me first and decide wether I'm a target or not. Especially given what Radfield keeps on saying about "joker is confirmed in our QT" I don't feel like outing my name or role is a good talent toi have. The problem is that you did not tell us beforehand who you where going to shoot. So we have strictly no rason to beleive it was you and not mafia/another vig that shot Kenpachi. AS for now , it seems that we will have to decide between lynching you/DocH or rgTheSchwortz Also, what do you think of plamar ? Do you have any idea why he also fake claimed two face ? | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote: No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I need to wait for BC to claim my name. There is an issue with my role that is potentially confounding and I need to make sure BC is okay with me alluding to it. I will PM him with that. I think you should wait before claiming. As for now, I think town as no reason not to beleive you. If rgTheSchwortz comes back into this thread, maintain his 2face claim, and keep accusing you/ then maybe it will be necessary for you to claim. As for now, i would like to avoid mafia/third parties getting more information than they already have. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:50 Kurumi wrote: Schworz is Poison Ivy. Unkillable by CW and he claimed Two-Face. CW's hit was like 99% on Schworz, because of reasons Radfield has given. This goes with hit on You and suspicion. How else would You like to explain his action? Poison Ivy Medic blabbering about You being scum? Why would he immediately say he DT checked DocH, and got guilty. Wouldn't he have a better chance of saying he claimed Kenpachi ( as an example) and got Mafia ( Ken was a miller)? His action doesnt make sense as Ivy. My explanation : *CW did not shoot because she is bad at this game. *Two face flips a coin when running DT check. If heads he gets the good results, if tail the wrong one. *rgTheSchwortz is Two Face This being said, Lets lynch Sheth. | ||
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*Mafia had no reason to shoot him. If they beleived he was 2 face, they would let CW deal with him. If he was not two face then town would lynch him. He is pretty much a wast of mafia KP. *He is alive, so if Batman or CW shot him, then he is vet. But then his DT check on DocH doesnt make sense. *Town didnt really have a reason to shoot him, especially after toad admitted that he fake claimed only to protect 2 face. So either rG is lying about his hit, or about his DT check. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:06 Tyrran wrote: Also, Did any vig shoot rG ? I'm wondering why he got hit last night. *Mafia had no reason to shoot him. If they beleived he was 2 face, they would let CW deal with him. If he was not two face then town would lynch him. He is pretty much a wast of mafia KP. *He is alive, so if Batman or CW shot him, then he is vet. But then his DT check on DocH doesnt make sense. *Town didnt really have a reason to shoot him, especially after toad admitted that he fake claimed only to protect 2 face. So either rG is lying about his hit, or about his DT check. EBWOP : I missed the fact that he said he was immune to vig shot. I guess a vig shot him to test that ( kurumi ? ). He really is two face then. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:34 Jayjay54 wrote: what about clayface hidden stuff. you appear randomly as someone when checked. because you can turn into anything. Basically a flavoured miller. I prefer my explanation of Two face flipping a coin when checking someone. Head : rigth result. Tail: Wrong result. Rigth now, i'm thinking rG is two face. I'd still like some explanation from him tho. | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:01 rgTheSchworz wrote: I seriously don't get it. I posted in a hurry because it's f...ing FREEZIN in my country atm and i had to go to school. 20 pg+ since I went afk. Please explain Toad why i'm not Two-Face. Trololol rG is actually MrFreeze trying to attrack bullets. rGTheSchworz , if you really are 2 face, please answer this by Yes or No : Is there any indication in your role PM that would indicate that your DT read are not 100% reliable ? While waiting for an answer : ##vote : Liquid Sheth | ||
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On February 12 2012 17:05 Palmar wrote: got roleblocked. Also, told you bugs was scum. Seing that docH claim about Clayface was entirely true, do you still beleive that Toad is scum ? On February 12 2012 19:14 rgTheSchworz wrote: BM is on my suspect list right now too. He claimed medic and a roleblock n1. He was in favor of a mass claim(which would only benefit mafia btw). He dissapeared d2 and n2 when all this shit was going on. I´m starting to ask some questions. Stop trolling, we know you´re town by now. Let me start by asking you a few question too : Why are you still alive ? Did you get 'hit' again tonight ? Of do you 'KNOW' once again for a fact that CatWoman did not shoot again? The fact that WBG bussed you does not confirm you town, as it is completely possible that he bussed one of his teamates in order to look town. If we look at your filter, you have done a extremely good job confusing town since day 1. Also, lying about a DT check cannot be a town move, in any occasion. You should die for this. @Radfield : Who did you DT check tonigth ? | ||
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On February 13 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote: Whatever. You say you have a red check, we´ll know soon. ##vote Radfield He is trolling. he's not a DT, doesnt have a check on Radfield. Instead he is a Vig ( harley quinn) that shot radfield nigth 1 and was RB nigth two. @Palmar : What makes you beleive Radfield is Scum and not Batman. You changed your mind on him but did not give any reason. Are you really expecting us to blindly follow a lynch like that ? As for now, we have no reason to lynch Radfield. He has given us Sheth early day 2, and it really did not look like a scum move. He maybe is DT, maybe Batman as Palmar initially claimed. The only reason for lynching him would be to protect Toad if Rad is batman. And as stated multiple time in this thead lynching scum is better than lynching 3rd party. Why not lynching you instead forumite : * You jumped on newly created Radfield Bandwagon despite having NO reason to do so ( other than 'palmar told me' when it is obvious he is faking his DT claim). * You voted sheth reluctanctly day 2 : On February 10 2012 00:56 Forumite wrote: It sounded like Palmar was 100% sure that Radfield is Batman, you are saying that you are doubting this now? In that case, why did Palmar claim Joker in the first place? Wasn´t it to be able to make the deal with Radfield? If it doesn´t matter who the Batman is, if it´s not Radfield, then there´s nothing stopping him from ignoring us and going on a rampage, is there? I think it´s a crazy plan, one of many in this game, but fine, I´ll play along. Let´s kill Sheth. ##unvote Radfield ##vote Liquid`Sheth This post is scummy in several ways. First you do not seem wild about lynching Sheth. Why ? On day 1, you were all for lynching him, but now "it is a crazy plan". You are contradicting yourself here. Secondly, "it is a crazy plan " on day 2, and now that sheth has flipped scum, as radfield predicted, You blindly accept to lynch radfield based on a obviously false DT check. It doesnt make sense. It looks like you really want Radfield dead, and it doesnt make sense as town, but it really makes sense as scum. Therefore, You are scum. | ||
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I'm not scum, just bad townie that wasn't able to follow a massive spam thread. Shoot me at night if you want me dead, but for now, lets lynch scum. As for now : With Radfield lync being that close, it is unlikely that any scum player that would have voted for him didnt switch to chaoser ( who we know was town) Therefore Forumite, tunkeg, quails, palmar, adam4167, katina and kurumi should not be the focus of town today. We have a much higher chance to find scum outside of these people. This leaves ( I have highligthed my stronger reads) : hiro protagonist : On February 11 2012 15:09 hiro protagonist wrote: WBG is not stupid enough as scum to try and re-direct a lynch from his scum buddy when He had a DT check and 20+ votes on him with hours left in the day. But you know, thats just WIFOM i guess, but why make the effort to look stupid? Yeah, he is scum. Voted for Sheth day1 , but so did radfield so its entirely possible they decided early that they were going to buss him. rgtheschworz : As much as I dislike his play this game, I think he is town. Most likely blue ( or his play would make 0 sense). His role should be pretty obvious. risk.nuke :Town read on him. rayzorflash : no idea. evantrees : On February 13 2012 06:27 evantrees wrote: The vote for sheth was more about saving space than face and I was hoping he flipped scum so why not. Please at least include the actual terrible reasons for voting cheese. I tried to avoid posting to much nonsense and speculation. Given I like to complain about such things. I did post this in the phone QT, though honestly surprised gut has gone 1/3 and not 0/3 so far slardar being scum was the other one. evantrees 02-07-2012 10:58 PM ET (US) for reference crazy gut says, Cyber_Cheese is catwoman not batman and WBG is scum. "Hey look i'm not scum because I guessed WBG was scum and posted it in the phone QT while doing NOTHING AT ALL to prove it or even suggest it in the main thread".... Actually, that makes you scum. visceraeyes : No idea. He is bussing hiro so i guess he is town ? jaybrundage: Leaning scum. jayjay54 :Town read on him And me : Not contributing much, and wrong on all my reads. I dont look good. Shoot me if I dont make you beleive i'm town by nigth. But dont waste a lynch on me. Also Kurumi being CW makes sense. As stated before, killing him would reduce anti town KP, so i'm all up for that. Kurumi, Hiro, and Evantrees are all valid lynch for me.How about lynching Kurumi then shooting Hiro and Evan (Penguin and Batman)? | ||
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If we count Batman on our side, we have 1 lynch and two hits per night ( batman/penguin). Scum have 4 hits including CW. But we only need 4 hits to get rid of them and they need 10. If we dont misslynch we should win. Adam : How did you remove Evantrees and Hiro from you potential scumlist ? I have posted specific post that make them scum in my eyes. What makes you think they are town ? | ||
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On February 17 2012 00:31 rgTheSchworz wrote: Two-face will prolly not claim because of this. I suggest strongly he claims. We lynch nuke and forumite. Why lynch forumite? If you really are MrFreeze and not Two face body guard, then risk.nuke is Hugo and he should be lynched. If you are lying then you should be hung. Basically, one of you/risk is scum We should wait for Forumite to claim. That should help us identifying the scum among you. | ||
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On February 17 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote: Also I am not Catwoman. I am Jack of All Trades. and my name is Alfred Pennyworth. On January 24 2012 14:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Note: Some names appear under 2 categories. These players will have to decide to be one or the other for their role. They are not both. Some roles might also have slight alterations to the "standard" although nothing game breaking. Not all names listed are guarenteed to be in this game, however only names listed will be in this game. Each role, much like Asylum, will have unique flavour text to make the gf style roles have more fun with the game. See Arkham Asylum for flavour text examples that I used for when you submit your role choice. Nice try tho. | ||
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On February 17 2012 01:15 Tunkeg wrote: So based on these claims we got the following options: A) Risk is lieing B-1) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Hugo. B-2) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Batman. B-3) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Catwomen. C) Risk is telling the truth, rg is lieing, forumite is Mr.Freeze (or one of the other three, but not very likely). In scenario B-2 it would be bad of us to lynch anyone. In the rest of the scenarios we got at least one scum/hostile 3rd party. Risk claims that MrFreeze is 2 face body guard, while rG claims that it is not true. So one of them is lying. Option B is not possible . | ||
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I think we should lynch scum and not CatWoman. Even with 4 hits a nigth, scum needs 3 nigths to get rid of all of us. And that is assuming they KP do not drop. In the same time, we get 3 lynches and 6 potential hits , With both batman and Penguin difficult to kill for mafia. We should win the base trade. I will follow Palmar and Adam with the VE lynch. ##Vote VE | ||
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On February 17 2012 04:38 Tunkeg wrote: Hmm Tyrran, I hate myself for sheeping, but at least I and everyone else know I am town. But you on the other hand... And ? VE is not my personnal #1 Lynch ( that would be evanstree), but voting for him is the best move i can do in my current situation. I'm a suspect. I have ZERO chance of getting anyone else lynched. The only thing i can do to help town is to consolidate the ongoing lynch to avoid scum hammering someone else. that's all. And that is what I am doing here. | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:10 Jayjay54 wrote: We outed 3 PRs who have to be eliminated by CW. She will kill them. Town on the other hand has plenty of KP, Palmar, Riddler, Lynch, Penguin. We have ENOUGH KP to kill scum in one cycle. So why not play it safe, remove a anti town KP and use our billion KP to blow up scum. If we win one day, one dt claim or one vig shot, it was already worth it. We also might end up mislynching which gives scum 4 KP. So will scum. If we lynch CW, what makes you think scum wont kill 2face/Penguin ASAP ? Also, they still have their medic, so shooting at them isnt as efficient as lynching them. Yes, misslynching means we will be heavily relying on batman and penguin shot. But If we kill CW, and Batman/Penguin kill town with their shot, we are is the same bad position. And I do not see palmar not shooting VE at nigth if we let him leave anyway. Lets lynch VE. It is strictly better from a town point of view than lynching CW. | ||
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