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If you say so. I hope you have a backup plan. | ||
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Rayzor replaced ico. *shrug* | ||
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On February 17 2012 21:37 Palmar wrote: I don't think you can go wrong with shooting tyrran/rayzor. Rayzor also was unafraid to die to enable 3 town KP. I mean, there's requesting people kill you ad nauseum (hiro protagonist) until the phrase holds no meaning, and there's almost chipper realization that "Oh shucks, guess you guys have to lynch me!" @Forumite That wouldn't make sense - unless there's a pretty clear and popular other lynch candidate lined up for tomorrow. That would afford them the freedom to stick their necks out. Especially with players like Palmar calling others scum just for suspecting them :S | ||
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Also, we're not killing VE for giggles. We're well beyond killing people for giggles. Scum aren't going to touch me because I'm obviously lynchbait, but if vigs kill me it had better fucking be because they think I'm scum and not for giggles. -.- | ||
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By: VisceraEyes First I'm going to explore several of the reasons I'm being accused in detail.
Lack of Meaningful Contribution/Inactivity I’ve got something of a reputation here in Team Liquid that I’m trying to dispel. I’m known as that guy who types a lot of crazy shit that doesn’t make much sense to anyone. I chose this game to attempt a different tactic. Instead of typing every little thing that pops into my head at any given time, leading to a spammy cluttered thread, I decided to instead just observe the thread, comment only where I felt necessary and post my reads every day, with an emphasis on relevance and succinctness. My voting pattern hasn’t changed - I still vote for whomever I feel is the most scummy (or in the case of this game, who is the largest threat to town as a whole), but the way I’ve approached actually playing the game has changed dramatically. It is for this reason that I believe players who have played with me and feel they know my ‘meta’ have been thrown off by my play...because I actually AM playing differently than I’d normally play as town. Intentional Overlooking of Suspicious Behavior This is another of Palmar’s gripes. I have a feeling he and several others of you feel like I’ve been overlooking blatantly suspicious behavior for one reason or another. All I can say in my defense of this is that if I haven’t called someone scum, it’s either because I have a town read on them for different reasons, or because I haven’t looked into them at all (inactivity, spammy nature, etc.) Due to the nature of this game, I’m not really inclined to doll out my town reads for obvious reasons. I’m very willing to discuss reads with anyone however, and if anyone would actually LIKE my opinion on something, I’m always willing to look into people on request. However, due to my reputation, I come into games assuming no one wants my opinions until I’ve established that I’m coherent in-game. Somewhere along the way I’ve failed this game, but I feel it has a lot to do with the way I’ve approached this game. Manipulative Argumentation Strategies This was one of hiro protagonist’s reasons for “knowing” I’m scum. While I won’t admit to being ‘manipulative’, I will say that this is a game of persuasion and I’m trying to achieve goals just like everyone else. Incidentally, he’s accusing me of “playing mafia” because town try and persuasively argue with other town to try and get their lynch target lynched just as often as scum. And because he provided no context with his accusation, I can’t refute the specific instances, only broadly address his complaint. Pushing of Scum Agenda This one is pretty vague, because by definition only scum know their agenda and they’re not sharing it with town. I know that the only thing I can think of that can even be construed as me furthering a scum agenda was my staunch opposition to the Radfield lynch. And I’ve given my reasoning for this several times because by my estimation it’s the most incriminating thing I’ve done this game. However, given my belief in the Sheth lynch that Radfield’s claim assured, in my opinion the fact that Radfield actually flipped scum is NOT indicative of scum alignment where I’m concerned. In fact, Radfield actually called me a good vig target alongside Palmar early on in the game, so I’d actually say it’s indicative of my TOWN alignment if anything. WBG was also harshly critical of me and called me scum several times. The point is that I’ve been accused of pushing a scum agenda (most hilariously by layabout) and I’d like everyone to take a look at my involvement in the game as a whole before just accepting this as fact and killing me with a bullet tonight. Now, I’ve left off a couple of entire cases, for this reason: I’ve addressed the points that are actually indicative of my alignment above. Cases such as those of RazorFlash and JayBrundage can be ignored. JayBrundage is basing one of his major points on the fact that I was on a SCUM lynch by Hood’s Breath. It’s held up by the fact that I was against a Radfield lynch, which is accurate, but the premises are conflicting. Radfield was scum Radfield was on the Sheth lynch Sheth was scum Scum are bussing VS Radfield was scum VE was not on the Radfield lynch Radfield was scum Scum are not bussing See where I’m going with this? It’s not a logical argument, it’s putting a bunch of facts together in a way that makes me seem scummy, when all I really did was vocally stick to my guns about my beliefs. And RazorFlash’s case, upon rereading it, actually IS scummy as fuck. He uses some kind of percentage-based “scummeter” to determine an overall picture of my scumminess. Great. But here’s the problem: the numbers are completely arbitrary in regard to the content he provides supporting them. For example, Day 3 - 60% scum - The Day of Reckoning - VEHEMENTLY defends Radfield and goes after Palmar, the WORST case of this amongst everyone out there - 80% scum - Is willing to get hiro lynched instead of Radfield - 75% - VERY quickly changes votes from Palmar who he's been super pushing for a full day to me and then Chaoser based on Kita's claim - 90$ scum First of all, his total for day 3, which he’s taken special note of how scummy it was, was 60% scum. But if you look at the content, he picks out three actions I took that day (which I’ll agree were probably the keystone decisions I made that day) and assigns values to each of them, which are all WELL above 60%. They’re not averaged - the average of the 3 values is something like 81.66666%....it’s just a random 60%. Here’s something to think about though - Day 2 - 60% scum - Very very excited about the prospect of a Sheth lynch finally happening - Gets defensive very easily again... passive aggression is annoying - Wants to see Sheth dead, and is decently considering a Hiro lynch still... - Gets into a small bicker with Bugs and considers going after him... 55% Another 60% period on the scumometer, but look at the actions he notes: Excited about his (ultimately scum) lynch taking off; considering hiro (a person he agrees with to a degree); considers going after someone else who ultimately flips scum This is the part that really astounds me - my super-scummy day and my most pro-town day (according to the facts) afford me the exact same scum-o-meter reading? Really? These numbers are COMPLETELY meaningless. Night 3 - 90% scum - Still pushing for a Palmar lynch even though he's confirmed Batman and Joker is more or less dead - killing a pro-town power role for no real reason?? - Gets super emotional again... ia annoying, but not necessarily scummy - Wants people to kill JayBrundage randomly, just because his vote didnt actually switch? wtf? First of all, I was pushing a Palmar lynch for the sole purpose of saving Joker because it had become obvious in-thread that Toad was Joker and Clayface had just eaten it. Toad’s bad aim aside, town KP is going to be very powerful (one way or the other) and because I suspect Palmar of being Batman, I wanted him lynched before he could kill Joker. However, none of this matters ultimately according to RazorFlash - because by his estimation Palmar has a “pro-town power role”, in spite of being third-party and by definition does not have town’s best interest in mind. And this scored me 90% on the HerpDerp’O’Meter, 30% higher than the day he noted as being particularly bad for me. The whole thing is just a mess of him stringing together events that, while they involve me, are not indicative of my alignment in the way he says. Not at all. Where do we go from here? We stop entertaining the ridiculous notion that VE is scum, for a start, and we start killing scum. I actually prefer a bullet for JayBrundage or RayzorFlash at this point - call it OMGUS if you want, but JayBrundage, in addition to building a farcical case against me has also been taunting me to try and make me scummily freak out as I’m known to do. He’s definately scum. RayzorFlash I’m less sold on, but after dissecting his case and hearing Palmar’s thoughts on him, I’d say he needs a bullet just as much if not more than JB at this point. The riddle-bombs are likely to go off tonight, and JB has one of those attached to him according to Kita (correct me if I’m wrong) so he might be taken care of anyway. Tomorrow, if Palmar is still around, force him to give you the whole scum-team because once he hits his mark, he’ll be gone. In closing, regardless of what you think my motivations are, these are the facts:
I’m trying to win with town. These facts don’t prove it, but they certainly support my claim. Please take the time to read over my posts if you’re thinking about gifting me a hot slug. I honestly don’t deserve it. | ||
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Honestly, if anyone is fooled by this idiocy, I don't even know what to say. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + SURPRISE!!!! | ||
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Thanks BC and Curu, this was a fun game. | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:06 Palmar wrote: about the riddler game. The first question was something like: So I just thought "well who gives a fuck" and swapped out the severed corpses for eggs, cause that kinda made sense. And I just decided to bake the fucking thing, this is the end result: ![[image loading]](http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23162170/IMAG0040.jpg) It was okay, but a bit too sweet and sponge-like for my taste. I literally love you for actually baking that. I read that and said 'this doesn't bake anything without eggs.' | ||
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