EPTOn February 10 2012 02:15 Kurumi wrote:
I was right from the very fucking start why have I doubted myself
I was right from the very fucking start why have I doubted myself
No idea, I've been telling you how smart you are from the start.
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No idea, I've been telling you how smart you are from the start. | ||
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If you're a miller, tough luck. Only in extraordinary situations should we consider not lynching a red check, and this is not one of them. Hell, there was a chance we'd lynch you anyway, even without the red check. But I don't really think you're a miller, there's nothing in your play that looks like town play. I think you're scum, I think Radfield is black, and I think town is on a roll. | ||
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On February 10 2012 04:09 chaoser wrote: I'm confused. On page 66 right now. Explain. scum. | ||
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Radfield lying about the result makes no sense no matter his alignment. And seeing as Radfield is confirmed as 3rd party (through my shot), it would indeed be counter-productive for him to lie, and likely get hanged. I don't think you're reading the thread. I think you're raging for no reason at all. Why are you doing it? | ||
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Ico because I genuinely think he's town from his day 1 play. | ||
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On February 10 2012 18:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he hasn't done anything good as town and isn't he terrible as scum ? Bugs is very good scum. Like most people I'd have written off as town by now because his frustration seems kinda genuine. But he could easily pull this off. It's his town play that sucks. If a good townie had the reads he has I'd immediately conclude he's scum purely based on trying to push stupid lynches. So, for now, I'm using the ignore and hope it goes away approach. We're lynching sheth, even with the chance he'll flip miller it's the correct play to do it. There are very few people in this game I would not lynch on a DT check on day2 from a person I am 100% sure has the ability to DT check, and has no reason to lie about it. | ||
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On February 10 2012 19:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I think my only hope is that chaoser and kitaman are town this game. Otherwise I think this is a town loss. Rofl. of all the people you mentioned, those are the two I think are most likely to flip scum. Radfield is third party. | ||
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You've been such a delight this game. Mind taking a bullet tonight? I'll see if I can spare one. Remember, unblockable. | ||
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I already claimed my blue name. It's the goddamn Joker. You don't have to shoot me, we have an asshole in a batsuit for that. Why are you trying to Link Sheth's flip to anything else? Can you explain how it's related? We have a DT Check on Sheth that says he's red. Even without my bullet it makes no Sense for Radfield to lie about his result. My bullet simply confirms his as not scum, Which leaves catwoman. No matter his alignment, if he'S lying about Sheth's DT Check result, he gets lynched tomorrow. As Batman/Catwoman, that's extremely terrible play. So, I don't think we even need to consider the possibility that Sheth flips anything but Scum or Miller. If he flips Miller, we carry on by lynching scummy fuckers, especially those that have pre-emptively tried to Link his flip to someone else getting lynched. You see, if he flips miller we gain no information other than that there are a ton of millers in the game. If he flips Scum, we carry on by lynching scummy fuckers. I'm the Only ONE in control of bullets with nothing to lose. I'm a dead, reckless man walking. Die scum. | ||
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b) While I cannot say anything about my role, I can tell you that the people my hits cannot penetrate are listed. The Mafia vet is not among them. It's the same four vets as catwoman and batman cannot hit, along with catwoman and batman themselves. If Sheth flips miller, which he might, as you said lol, then we get some info out of that as well. And that info is that the foundation on which you have built your narrative is shaky lol I did not build any narrative, and his flip has nothing to do with anything. You're being intentionally thick, you're trying to link together things that aren't linked for your own gain. You basically confirmed yourself as scum. The entire "narrative" is: Radfield has a red DT check on Sheth. We lynch Sheth, which is normally the obvious play. The only thing I added to this is: Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious. But at this point I'd be fine with lynching you instead of Sheth. | ||
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It's a fake link created by scum. | ||
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On February 11 2012 00:39 Jayjay54 wrote: I don't get it. You mentioned in your joker claim that you can't instakill vets. Scum has a vet. How do you conclude survived a shot => third. He obviously wouldn't claim vet as scum. Will read the thread and make a bigger post... I have the same list of names I cannot kill as appear in Batman's and Catwoman's role. The mafia vet is not in that list. | ||
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##Unvote Sheth ##Vote Chaoser Bitch got greedy, now bitch gonna pay. Let's consider all the possible scenarios involving Radfield, Chaoser and Sheth. I am ignoring the scenarios where Radfield is lying about the DT check, because Sheth will flip sooner or later, and if he flips neither Scum nor Miller, Radfield is fucked. That makes no sense no matter what Radfield's alignment is. So, the possibilities are: 1. Sheth is scum, Chaoser is scum Looking at the interactions here, I don't think this is the case. If it is it's surprisingly good scum play from both of them. Chaosers direct push to actually lynch Sheth while keeping open the possibility of Sheth flipping miller would be a ridiculously powerful play to absolve him of any "knowledge" about the flip. I have almost no reason to believe this is the case. 2. Sheth is scum, Chaoser is town This is a possibility, but why on earth is Chaoser focusing so hard on creating later opportunities for lynches? Why would he write something like this: Either Sheth flips mafia or he doesn't and then we kill radfield/you/rg. No big problem lol. If he thinks Sheth will actually flip scum??? If sheth flips scum shouldn't the people campaigning for his death day 1 (me) and bringing in the DT check from day 2 (Radfield) be the last people you want to lynch? Most townies in this game feel good lynching Sheth because they believe Radfield's DT claim, because... well... it makes sense to believe it. It's okay to consider the possibility, But if chaoser is town, he would have to take a stance. a) I think sheth is town, and thus I won't vote for him or b) I think sheth is scum and thus I will vote for him. Sheth is Miller, Chaoser is town Surprisingly, this is EXACTLY the same scenario as the one before. If chaoser is town he has no reason to distrust Radfield's DT claim, it's simply not logical to think Radfield is lying. Thus the ONLY reason one would ever not lynch Sheth is if you have a strong reason to believe he's town, and thus miller. Chaoser hasn't produced any such reasons. He seems to be perfectly happy with lynching Sheth. this is a contradiction because if he had a strong reason to believe Sheth will flip miller, he'd also have a strong reason to try and turn his wagon around. But he's fine with Sheth dying, he just wants to make sure the wrong people get incriminated for it. Incidentally, I now have a real strong reason to believe Sheth will flip town. Chaoser kindly provided me with it. Sheth is Miller, Chaoser is Scum This is what's going on. Chaoser, as I've stated is perfectly fine with killing Sheth. But for some reason, he seems to be particularly interested what happens if he flips Miller. Only in this situation does it make sense for chaoser to try to incriminate for example Radfield (not to mention myself, who has nothing to do with the situation, except telling people Radfield isn't scum). Why would Radfield need to be lynched, but only if sheth flips miller? Chaoser says this straight up here: On February 10 2012 23:00 chaoser wrote: If Sheth doesn't flip mafia then the scenario you've been pushing as the real narrative all falls down. Either Sheth flips mafia or he doesn't and then we kill radfield/you/rg. No big problem lol. Please read this. Chaoser is literally putting the burden of telling apart millers and scum on Radfield's shoulders, and threatening a lynch if he fails. And somehow I'm in there too, probably because I gave the information Radfield is not scum (but 3rd party). Because I can't stress this enough: Sheth flipping scum or miller cannot have any impact on reads on Radfield (and me or other people pushing his lynch). We're lynching him based on a DT check we have a reason to believe. That DT check makes no difference between millers and scum, thus him flipping miller says nothing about the people who want him dead. and yet Chaoser is perfectly fine with pushing that terrible logic. This makes no sense if he's town. If he's town, he's just as responsible as me or Radfield or anyone else voting for sheth for killing sheth. If he thinks Sheth will flip scum, he should be supporting me and radfield. If he doesn't he should be opposing us. He's doing neither. He's supporting killing sheth, while setting Radfield and I up for a lynch later in the game, based on sheth flipping miller. This is not a difficult decision. I think I've proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Chaoser is scum. I will die tonight. Batman will shoot me. Please, please, please follow my lead and kill chaoser off instead of sheth. This will be a hard lynch. The mafia will be actively fighting it. But we _need_ to get it right. Don't allow fear to stop you. The lines will be drawn here. Don't be the sheep town that goes with the easy lynch. If every townie reads this, realizes I'm fucking right, and then makes a stand. It will be VERY easy to pick out the mafia. Do the right thing. Chaoser is scum ##Vote Chaoser | ||
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