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From my point of view, Toad's fakeclaim, non-response to palmar's fakeclaim, and then immediate backoff when rG claims looks scummy as fuck. But I just don't understand the fakeclaim of two-face from the perspective of a mafia Toad. What's the point of that? He must have known there would not only be a chance he would get shot by catwoman (as well as an expectation to be dad come morning by town). At the same time, it makes no real sense from a town perspective. His original reasoning for doing it is invalid since he is not actually two-face and thus he does not have additional information to make him want to claim like he did. So what was your real reason for fakeclaiming, Toad?
This post by you is invalid now, especially the part I bolded:
On February 09 2012 01:17 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 01:09 chaoser wrote:On February 09 2012 00:46 Toadesstern wrote:
to get catwoman off Schworz and both mafia and thirdparties on my ass instead.
It's not my call to make if Schworz's DT claim was right in the first place and maybe he's mafia idk yet but he's not twoface so I'd much rather out myself as long as I'm immortal, I did my job and now it's the medics' job to decide if we want him alive or not but without my claim protecting him would not have made sense at all as a medic because catwoman shoots through that. So you claimed...to trade one DT (you) for another (Schworz)? And it doesn't even work because they wouldn't be on your ass anyway if your "i am immortal" claim is legit anyway. Why didn't you just claim blue two-face and leave out the "i am invincible" part? Then you would actually get "both mafia and thirdparties on your ass". I already explained that, read the last page... But sure again: Because noone would believe a word I say if I claimed Two-Face without being unkillable. Why would Two-Face, who at least know that he himself is not a liar, claim DT to sacrifice himself just to save another DT? No matter what, even if I'd believe Schworz claim without a doubt I still couldn't say I'm 100% sure he's a DT. So best case scenario would be: 100% Chance to lose a DT and a 99% Chance to win a DT. That's not what I'd think because I know I'm not going to die but that'd be what everyone else thinks, therefore noone would believe a word I said because it's stupid.Same with claiming something else. Claiming medic to catch some bullets would make no sense at all because no medic would claim such a bullshit. There really is only a couple of possibilities: - I got balls of steal, being Twoface but in reality I'm not immune to catwoman
- I got mediocre balls, being Twoface but I really am immune to catwoman right now
- I am a VT / Vet who doesn't care of being shot and tries to catch some bullets because I made this whole thing up
- I am Catwoman myself and don't care about this bullshit because I know I'm immortal myself unless I get lynched.
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Isn't Catwoman invincible? Makes total sense that Toads could be CW.
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On February 09 2012 10:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Isn't Catwoman invincible? Makes total sense that Toads could be CW.
ahhhh, that makes this situation make sense now lol. smart.
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Chaoser, could clearing up the mess with the three Two-Faces wait until tomorrow? I think there´s some weird things going on there still, but I wouldn´t mind waiting until after the nightkills have been sent to get to the bottom of it. There are 3 people claiming Two-Face, why not let CW and Scum have their fun trying to figure it out for themselves for now?
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Is it just me, or is Palmar like five times more annoying/retarded than usual?
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On February 09 2012 10:23 Forumite wrote:
Chaoser, could clearing up the mess with the three Two-Faces wait until tomorrow? I think there´s some weird things going on there still, but I wouldn´t mind waiting until after the nightkills have been sent to get to the bottom of it. There are 3 people claiming Two-Face, why not let CW and Scum have their fun trying to figure it out for themselves for now?
Yah yah, I got it. I was actually not going to push the issue anymore but your post in the phonebooth got me confused about why he would fakeclaim and then drop the issue. More than happy to let the day come and settle some of the issues that have happened lol.
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LOL I knew Toad's claim was fake.
If you thnk about it for a half second, it totally makes sense from a catwoman perspective. You out Two-Face and basically fulfill half your wincon.
All that's left is for him to find penguin loool
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On February 09 2012 10:30 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 10:23 Forumite wrote:
Chaoser, could clearing up the mess with the three Two-Faces wait until tomorrow? I think there´s some weird things going on there still, but I wouldn´t mind waiting until after the nightkills have been sent to get to the bottom of it. There are 3 people claiming Two-Face, why not let CW and Scum have their fun trying to figure it out for themselves for now? Yah yah, I got it. I was actually not going to push the issue anymore but your post in the phonebooth got me confused about why he would fakeclaim and then drop the issue. More than happy to let the day come and settle some of the issues that have happened lol.
Sorry about that. From one way it looks like a big Town mess, then scum rooting out a vigi, then I start to wonder if it isn´t the other way around, an orchestrated 3-way Town trick. It´s all WIFOM, but we´ll know what it was really about tomorrow. Probably.
About 2 hours, 15 minutes until deadline, right?
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On February 09 2012 09:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, this has certainly been a useless interesting night.
Sheth's complete absence absolutely solidifies my read on him, and unless some darling vig has done the job for me, I'm making it my duty to see him hang tomorrow if I survive the night. Take a look at his previous games guys, he's WAAAAAAY more active than this as town, and all the crazy shit that's gone on today would NOT have gone without comment from townSheth. He gotta HANG bro, and whoever doesn't think so is fucking SCUM and will be treated as such.
Night ends in a few hours, and because I'll probably die to some idiot town vig (thanks Palmar/Rad -.-) make sure he gets his daily dose of fiber if you please.
Others who need to taste of the delicious rope:
Katina - Still have no idea who Katina thinks is scum. She's popped in to toss in a comment or two during the shennanies, but interestingly no comment on who should hang or why.
DocH - Actively opposed my Sheth lynch. Why? Because he was scumhunting THIRD PARTY. We should be aiming for scum guys, every lynch we have needs to be aiming for SCUM. We have to kill SCUM to win. If DocH (or anyone for that matter) honestly thought C_C was 3rd party, your asses should have been on the Sheth lynch.
hiro protagonist - this guy....yup. I think this guy is scum. I'm ready to "pull the trigger" (quotes indicating that this is NOT a soft-claim of any kind) on a hiro lynch. He's my weakest read of the 4 I'm ready to lynch, though...mainly based on the LOOOOOW content.
Just got caught up on whats going on here. Sheth somehow managed to get out of the lynch yesterday which was very surprising for me. I think he's scum because of the pointless ramble in the begining that was more confusing and that's not really helping out the town.On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So, Bill --
Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good.
They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death.
Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map.
Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this.
More like trying to take up space and make reading take a bit longer to get through than it already is =.=. Sheth has been pretty quiet until the possibilty of his lynch started coming up. When the votes started rolling in is when he discovered a voice and started building up cases against VE and CC to divert our attention from him to them. He convinced others to switch out their vote and give him an extra day. Why not say something and prove yourself useful to town until the last few hours?
Toad is looking pretty scummy to me as well at this point by starting a claim that sent the whole thread into chaos for a good few pages. That is valuable time and posts that could have been spent on helping the town instead of causing an uproar. Then later trying to play it off and get rid of the attention caused by his post. On February 09 2012 02:58 Toadesstern wrote:
stop talking about my claim, stop claiminging yourself. My claim makes sense, deal with it.
Everyone who proceeds to talk about this now might as well be a nice vig target for those of you out there.
I did not think my claim would bomb this thread so much. I thought we're maybe going to have a bunch of posts calling me bullshit and some believing me and afterwards everyone moves on.
I already said catwoman can't kill me tonight. I will explain things tomorrow, for now leave it and ask me tomorrow if you want to. This is not helping town and I do apologize for this shitstorm I created but I still think what I did was right. So everyone move along and talk about something useful or leave it as it is right now. Discussing my situation is not helping town and I can't undo it.
Why try and get everyone to move on from your claim if it is what you thought was the right thing to do? If it was that important then why apologize? That doesn't really make much sense to me. Others came in trying to divert attention from your claim as well. Having your mafia buddies step in to help get the heat of you?
That's my opinion so far.
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Katina you a male or female? I've been saying 'She' and I'd feel bad if that's wrong (thanks for making me doubt myself Kita  )
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I'm a girl lol. Katina... I tried to make it girlish >.<
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Should have gone with Jane.
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On February 09 2012 00:16 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:15 Toadesstern wrote:On February 08 2012 20:00 ico wrote:
What is this...
Toadesstern, let's assume your claim isn't a lie for a moment:
Catwoman is still hunting for another townie. So unless Penguin also claims (please don't) you have accomplished nothing so far.
I partially understand your immortality claim. It is another flavor of wine added to the table.
You will have to prove yourself. Well without my claim catwoman probably would have just shot into that. Now she's probably going to DT either me or him first and at least won't shoot Schworz. Maybe she's going to shoot me, I don't really care.Maybe she's calling bullshit on both of us and rnd-DT's someone else because she wants to find penguin. Maybe she shoots randomly into town. I really don't know but I'd say it's pretty likely that she's going to DT tonight.And Mafia has to find out if I really am imba or if I fakeclaimed and only want to catch bullets as a VT/Vet. They can't allow a DT to rampage all over their faces. schworz claimed DT. He's going to get shot regardless of whether you claimed or not. If not by catwoman then by mafia. In fact , by claiming two-face, you have taken away the WIFOM part of mafia and catwoman deciding if they want to kill him or not. Now mafia will definitely shoot at the guy. So really, you saved no one. And how can you say "I really don't know but I'm pretty sure she's going to DT tonight?" That makes no sense. How do you KNOW that she's going to DT? Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 14:56 Toadesstern wrote:finally :3 Batman: Being the stealthy man you are, your hit goes through all protections except those of Solomon Grundy, Clayface, Bane, and Mr. Freeze That's in both batmans and cat womans describition. Later on it's You are also a master of stealth and are immune to all night hits. in both describtions.
Sooooo, what happens if batman shoots/kills/bitchslapps/whatever cat woman or vice versa? The first quote indicated that they get shot because their hits go through everything but real-VETs, the 2nd one looks like you are pretty much immortal and can only be killed by lynch. Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 23:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
They can't off eachother. Will edit that in. At the start of the game, you yourself ask for clarification on who batman and catwoman's kills can and cannot go through. From BC's answer it looks like he wanted be to clear 100% on who they can and cannot 1-hit kill. So really, your "I'm imba" makes no sense as a claim.
Worthless post. Please step up Chaoser. I will believe toad's claim, based on the fact that phone booths exist and my neighbors are loud an obnoxious. Plus I'm by the courthouse now so I'm coming for that penguin bitch. He better let me carry a scythe or his umbrella after this....
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I've got something I need to say, but it's going to have to wait about thirty minutes to an hour
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Im here, reading the thread.
Sense everyone else is giving there two cents on things they have know authority (AKA night actions) to be talking about, I will do the same:
Vig shots:
Turkeg
Me
Turkeg needs to die because he is scum. Should he and I live though the night, I will write an analysis on him come morning. I need to die because I dont want to be reading this bullshit anymore, and I don't have the time needed to devout to helping foster a better town atmosphere right now. I wanted to sit back and catch scum when I find them and not have to be here all the time to guide dumb townies -__-
People need to listen to layabout more. literately everything he has said is exactly how I feel. So when he speaks, go ahead and put me down as agreeing with him K?
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On February 09 2012 11:26 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 09:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, this has certainly been a useless interesting night.
Sheth's complete absence absolutely solidifies my read on him, and unless some darling vig has done the job for me, I'm making it my duty to see him hang tomorrow if I survive the night. Take a look at his previous games guys, he's WAAAAAAY more active than this as town, and all the crazy shit that's gone on today would NOT have gone without comment from townSheth. He gotta HANG bro, and whoever doesn't think so is fucking SCUM and will be treated as such.
Night ends in a few hours, and because I'll probably die to some idiot town vig (thanks Palmar/Rad -.-) make sure he gets his daily dose of fiber if you please.
Others who need to taste of the delicious rope:
Katina - Still have no idea who Katina thinks is scum. She's popped in to toss in a comment or two during the shennanies, but interestingly no comment on who should hang or why.
DocH - Actively opposed my Sheth lynch. Why? Because he was scumhunting THIRD PARTY. We should be aiming for scum guys, every lynch we have needs to be aiming for SCUM. We have to kill SCUM to win. If DocH (or anyone for that matter) honestly thought C_C was 3rd party, your asses should have been on the Sheth lynch.
hiro protagonist - this guy....yup. I think this guy is scum. I'm ready to "pull the trigger" (quotes indicating that this is NOT a soft-claim of any kind) on a hiro lynch. He's my weakest read of the 4 I'm ready to lynch, though...mainly based on the LOOOOOW content.
Just got caught up on whats going on here. Sheth somehow managed to get out of the lynch yesterday which was very surprising for me. I think he's scum because of the pointless ramble in the begining that was more confusing and that's not really helping out the town. Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So, Bill --
Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good.
They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death.
Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map.
Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this. More like trying to take up space and make reading take a bit longer to get through than it already is =.=. Sheth has been pretty quiet until the possibilty of his lynch started coming up. When the votes started rolling in is when he discovered a voice and started building up cases against VE and CC to divert our attention from him to them. He convinced others to switch out their vote and give him an extra day. Why not say something and prove yourself useful to town until the last few hours? Toad is looking pretty scummy to me as well at this point by starting a claim that sent the whole thread into chaos for a good few pages. That is valuable time and posts that could have been spent on helping the town instead of causing an uproar. Then later trying to play it off and get rid of the attention caused by his post. Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 02:58 Toadesstern wrote:
stop talking about my claim, stop claiminging yourself. My claim makes sense, deal with it.
Everyone who proceeds to talk about this now might as well be a nice vig target for those of you out there.
I did not think my claim would bomb this thread so much. I thought we're maybe going to have a bunch of posts calling me bullshit and some believing me and afterwards everyone moves on.
I already said catwoman can't kill me tonight. I will explain things tomorrow, for now leave it and ask me tomorrow if you want to. This is not helping town and I do apologize for this shitstorm I created but I still think what I did was right. So everyone move along and talk about something useful or leave it as it is right now. Discussing my situation is not helping town and I can't undo it. Why try and get everyone to move on from your claim if it is what you thought was the right thing to do? If it was that important then why apologize? That doesn't really make much sense to me. Others came in trying to divert attention from your claim as well. Having your mafia buddies step in to help get the heat of you? That's my opinion so far.
I'm here, just waiting on day. Had a busy day today as well. Casted for 5 hours + finished the tour. I said give me one more day to prove myself. Its not even been one night.
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On February 09 2012 12:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 00:16 chaoser wrote:On February 08 2012 20:15 Toadesstern wrote:On February 08 2012 20:00 ico wrote:
What is this...
Toadesstern, let's assume your claim isn't a lie for a moment:
Catwoman is still hunting for another townie. So unless Penguin also claims (please don't) you have accomplished nothing so far.
I partially understand your immortality claim. It is another flavor of wine added to the table.
You will have to prove yourself. Well without my claim catwoman probably would have just shot into that. Now she's probably going to DT either me or him first and at least won't shoot Schworz. Maybe she's going to shoot me, I don't really care.Maybe she's calling bullshit on both of us and rnd-DT's someone else because she wants to find penguin. Maybe she shoots randomly into town. I really don't know but I'd say it's pretty likely that she's going to DT tonight.And Mafia has to find out if I really am imba or if I fakeclaimed and only want to catch bullets as a VT/Vet. They can't allow a DT to rampage all over their faces. schworz claimed DT. He's going to get shot regardless of whether you claimed or not. If not by catwoman then by mafia. In fact , by claiming two-face, you have taken away the WIFOM part of mafia and catwoman deciding if they want to kill him or not. Now mafia will definitely shoot at the guy. So really, you saved no one. And how can you say "I really don't know but I'm pretty sure she's going to DT tonight?" That makes no sense. How do you KNOW that she's going to DT? On January 31 2012 14:56 Toadesstern wrote:finally :3 Batman: Being the stealthy man you are, your hit goes through all protections except those of Solomon Grundy, Clayface, Bane, and Mr. Freeze That's in both batmans and cat womans describition. Later on it's You are also a master of stealth and are immune to all night hits. in both describtions.
Sooooo, what happens if batman shoots/kills/bitchslapps/whatever cat woman or vice versa? The first quote indicated that they get shot because their hits go through everything but real-VETs, the 2nd one looks like you are pretty much immortal and can only be killed by lynch. On January 31 2012 23:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
They can't off eachother. Will edit that in. At the start of the game, you yourself ask for clarification on who batman and catwoman's kills can and cannot go through. From BC's answer it looks like he wanted be to clear 100% on who they can and cannot 1-hit kill. So really, your "I'm imba" makes no sense as a claim. Worthless post. Please step up Chaoser. I will believe toad's claim, based on the fact that phone booths exist and my neighbors are loud an obnoxious. Plus I'm by the courthouse now so I'm coming for that penguin bitch. He better let me carry a scythe or his umbrella after this....
...seriously? You're telling ME to step it up? That post was part of a series that was trying to pressure toad into giving more info/slipping up because his initial claim was scummy as fuck and made no logical sense from a townie perspective (or from a mafia one either for that matter). No one counterclaimed him then and the questions were getting nowhere so I dropped them. And now he's confessed to fakeclaiming so there's no claim to "believe" in anymore. YOU STEP IT UP since clearly you haven't been following thread enough before even deciding to post. Good job.
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On February 09 2012 03:51 Radfield wrote:
I know all you Vigilantes are dying to know who to shoot, so here it is
Radfields List of Acceptable Vig Shots
Sheth
risk.nuke
Evantrees
Visceraeyes
Slardar
Tyran
Qualis
Jaybrundage
ico
These folks a night 1 pass:
Opz
Forumite
Everyone should pretty much be off the table.
....awww a pass....and to think I was about to try and slam you for directing so many night actions....awww
why didn't you direct the DT's? Is it cuz you plan to role block, hit them tonight???
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On February 09 2012 12:58 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 12:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:On February 09 2012 00:16 chaoser wrote:On February 08 2012 20:15 Toadesstern wrote:On February 08 2012 20:00 ico wrote:
What is this...
Toadesstern, let's assume your claim isn't a lie for a moment:
Catwoman is still hunting for another townie. So unless Penguin also claims (please don't) you have accomplished nothing so far.
I partially understand your immortality claim. It is another flavor of wine added to the table.
You will have to prove yourself. Well without my claim catwoman probably would have just shot into that. Now she's probably going to DT either me or him first and at least won't shoot Schworz. Maybe she's going to shoot me, I don't really care.Maybe she's calling bullshit on both of us and rnd-DT's someone else because she wants to find penguin. Maybe she shoots randomly into town. I really don't know but I'd say it's pretty likely that she's going to DT tonight.And Mafia has to find out if I really am imba or if I fakeclaimed and only want to catch bullets as a VT/Vet. They can't allow a DT to rampage all over their faces. schworz claimed DT. He's going to get shot regardless of whether you claimed or not. If not by catwoman then by mafia. In fact , by claiming two-face, you have taken away the WIFOM part of mafia and catwoman deciding if they want to kill him or not. Now mafia will definitely shoot at the guy. So really, you saved no one. And how can you say "I really don't know but I'm pretty sure she's going to DT tonight?" That makes no sense. How do you KNOW that she's going to DT? On January 31 2012 14:56 Toadesstern wrote:finally :3 Batman: Being the stealthy man you are, your hit goes through all protections except those of Solomon Grundy, Clayface, Bane, and Mr. Freeze That's in both batmans and cat womans describition. Later on it's You are also a master of stealth and are immune to all night hits. in both describtions.
Sooooo, what happens if batman shoots/kills/bitchslapps/whatever cat woman or vice versa? The first quote indicated that they get shot because their hits go through everything but real-VETs, the 2nd one looks like you are pretty much immortal and can only be killed by lynch. On January 31 2012 23:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
They can't off eachother. Will edit that in. At the start of the game, you yourself ask for clarification on who batman and catwoman's kills can and cannot go through. From BC's answer it looks like he wanted be to clear 100% on who they can and cannot 1-hit kill. So really, your "I'm imba" makes no sense as a claim. Worthless post. Please step up Chaoser. I will believe toad's claim, based on the fact that phone booths exist and my neighbors are loud an obnoxious. Plus I'm by the courthouse now so I'm coming for that penguin bitch. He better let me carry a scythe or his umbrella after this.... ...seriously? You're telling ME to step it up? That post was part of a series that was trying to pressure toad into giving more info/slipping up because his initial claim was scummy as fuck and made no logical sense from a townie perspective (or from a mafia one either for that matter). No one counterclaimed him then and the questions were getting nowhere so I dropped them. And now he's confessed to fakeclaiming so there's no claim to "believe" in anymore. YOU STEP IT UP since clearly you haven't been following thread enough before even deciding to post. Good job.
Of course I haven't been following the thread enough. I've had my first day of a new job I just got yesterday out of the complete blue. What's your excuse for your play good sir? I'd be more than happy to fill this thread with pictures of me in button ups and my super creased dress pants if you want...
And the point I was making? How do I say this.....um....Even doubting Toad's claim showed an enormous lack of thought? Yes, I think I put that rather well. The Joker would be proud....Why do I work for the Penguin....
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