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On January 26 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote: It's because in the end, we're all winners. Right guys? Right? Yes... It's just a game... *Glares suspiciously at everyone* | ||
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Veto I think I would prefer a system where you can send your votes wherever you please. Obviously you will have to tell us what you do. Why is this a better idea then everyone gets the same amount of votes? Mafia can't lurk. Cause lurkers will likely end up on 1 vote and be useless. Mafia will be forced to provide reasoning and...BAH I gtg. See you later. | ||
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I'll do exacly as palmar. I'll give my ONE obligatory vote to the person I think is town the most. The vote system seems to me like a very pro-town mechanic. Having a vote circle completly nullfies that. Conclusion: Votecircles are dumb FoS: VE, did you seriously just attempt to lynch palmar day 1. | ||
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On January 27 2012 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe you didn't think about it, or maybe I wasn't clear enough, but you never answered my question risk. If I think that Palmar is scum, perhaps you can enlighten me on why putting my vote on him is scummy? Your random FoS on me is meaningless without the answer to this question, so I'd appreciate an answer. I think it's proposterous that you would legitimatly think palmar is scum based on that. Then I thought it's very suspicious that a townie would try to get the best scumhunter in the game lynched asap. | ||
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Wbg are you telling me you approve of vote circles? | ||
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On January 27 2012 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Yeah, I fully approve of them. I'm going to give Palmar some time to shape up, but if he doesn't agree with this (if he's town he should, it's completely logical) then he should probably die. Anyone who opposes the vote circle plan: please provide reasoning as to why it's bad. I've said several things to why it's bad. Reread what I said. And if you don't understand. Feel free to ask me questions. | ||
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You say that if we lett everyone give thier votes to whoever they want then scum will try to look the most town and that's why it is a bad idea. What you say doesn't even make sense. | ||
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On January 27 2012 09:04 wherebugsgo wrote: uhh of course it does. You say, let's give our votes to whoever looks most town. Scum then simply get votes for doing what would be optimal for them anyway! No doubt scum are going to try to look town. By saying we are going to give the people who look town the votes, we're basically going to reward scum for their play with votes. What YOU are saying doesn't make sense, because you completely overlook this. The most useless players in the game are generally all townies, and so you're basically going to shift votes away from them onto scum and active townies. It will almost always benefit scum because the vote proportion will change just by the fact that the lazy townies won't receive votes while everyone else will. No. I say I will give my votes to whoever I think is town, town isn't goin to hold a moot about it and have everyone send their vote to 1 or 3 people. And tell me how is scum going to act to look pro-town. All we can do to find scum in this game is look for inconsistencies and scummy behavior. Free vote-trading just gives us more to look for and help us get better reads on people. And scum will have to activly post to get votes or have their votes reduced. Which will prevent first of all lurker-scum but also more room to slip and make an error. Also you're going by the assumption that there will be three scum who will look mega town. along with 3-4 townies who will try to play and get killed first while the rest of the town is useless. Thats dumb. Yeah there are a few people in this game that shouldn't be. But you are just either fearfull or purposly fearmongering. Assume the majority of the townies will be regular townies. Not useless lurkers. Please, This was supposed to be a game free of beginers just because of that. There will likely be 1 or 2 useless townies anyway who slinked in. They will have 1 votepower and wont hurt us as much as they could with 3 votes. Consider them as a lurker-bane shot them. You have provided no reasoning for why votecircles are better then free voting other then. Scum will try to look town and get all our votes which is incorrect and dumb-townie at best. Scumplay at worst. I'm off, we'll continue this tomorrow. | ||
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Eh. Is Sentinel new? Because in that case what you're experience is the "Someone is disagreeing with me, must be scum syndrome" Otherwise you just gained a few scumpoints. Do you really think scum can you trade votes with eachother. Don't you think that would look ALITTLE suspicious? Everyone including scum will be forced to give their ONE vote. Because I'm not going to discuss any system where you give away more votes then absolutely neccersary. Why? Because only scum knows for sure who the townies are, giving away more is a stupid risk. Anyway back to scum will be forced to give their ONE vote to a player they can give reason for why is town. Because anyone who send a vote and can't later give an acceptable reason they will be sent to the block. You vote for me which is +scumpoints in itself but you provide little reasoning in combination with the he's probably better of dead left jab. Don't care if your new or not that gives you more scumpoints. meatless taco So meatless taco. Do you think you can come into a game and have your first vote be a vote. with no reasoning. Are you trying to get lynched? Can mafia be this stupid? But lets take a step back a second. A majority of the players haven't even had an opinion on vote-circles and there have been very little actuall discussion. Yet some I'd like to note a very interesting observation for this game. This game has a no-flip mechanic. That means townies needs to be extra good in their scumhunting. Personally it makes me feel slightly nervous, as if town is already in a disadvantage. Meatless tacos posts show nothing of the sort a nervous player would post. They have likely had discussions in scum qt where they talk about how they would like to whack me and palmar. Then he comes to the thread. Not the slightest nervous and pulls the classic. "who do we lynch first" win-win situation. Right now If someone pulled a gun to my head and told me to kill 4 people. I'd shoot meatless taco. Sentinel, wbg and paperscraps in that order. Also I'd like to note something alot of you seem to not understand or you have missed. We won't get the role or alignment of people we lynch. We will not get the role of the people who dies at night. But they will almost certainly be town-aligned. | ||
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I'm not sure what I think about sending more votes then you must. + The plus side is more vp remains in play. - On the downside. You don't know for sure the alignment of anyone else. | ||
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@Layabout, you said you thought some stuff I wrote was anti-town. what stuff? | ||
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##Vote Wherebugsgo | ||
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On January 29 2012 09:57 prplhz wrote: so fucking frustrating that we don't get a flip lol yes. you sound very frustrated lol. | ||
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And he kept talking all the time about how easy it was for mafia to act pro-town and get all the votes with my plan which is just false because if it was that easy as to look pro-town and not be pro-town. Then scum could roll the game regardless if people give them votes or not because pro-town looking people won't get lynched anyway. It was just fearmongering trying to scare away townies from the correct path. Lastly, when things look dire for him and he has no defense to deploy but he just disapears. | ||
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Fearmongering is not debatable. Wbg spoke things that wasn't true so people would do as he wanted out of fear. Whilst I stated a fact. Your third point you can't make anything out of. It's wifom and meta. People do all kinds of weird shit when they are about to get lynched. Personally in my opinion most exept role-claim and arguing for your actions are scum-moves. I'm not going to specculate on how many remaining scum players there is. It's irrelevant if we don't have confirmation. I will lynch my strongest scumread. The # of scum I think is left in the game doesn't affect that (much). I'm against any limitations to vote-trading for the moment. This might change later. | ||
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Node (2), Jackal58 (3), chaoser (3), prplhz (6), LSB (2), Palmar (4), jaybrundage (2), risk.nuke (3), [UoN]Sentinel (2), MeatlessTaco (2), Paperscraps (4), VisceraEyes (2), Dirkzor (2), layabout (5), | ||
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Also layabout and prplhz massive vote surges. I want to hear additional reasoning behind these. To be honest I expected me and palmar to recive alot of votes. We recived 3 combined. | ||
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I find it very unlikely that a vig took a shot tonight. Because I don't think there are a high chance of beeing vigs in this game and secondly if there were using it this early wouldn't be very smart. I'll need to take another look at how the atmosphere was day1/night 1 to determine if mafia might have shot viceraeyes. Right now my gut is telling me VE is scum improvising. | ||
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I'm considering this. Lynch neither of you today. Order a potential dt check one of you two. If nobody announces anything tomorrow. We kill one of you two(viceraeyes) and let a potential necro-cop examine him. This should give us a pretty high chance of getting accurate information about what is likely the most important flip of the game. | ||
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On January 31 2012 04:04 prplhz wrote: Can you give me one reason a townie would want to be an asshole like this? This is purely out of curiosity and has nothing to do with this game. Because ViceraEyes is about to get hammered with 30 hours of awesome discussion time remaining. I apologise for beeing rude but I think you all need to slow down a bit and also not make assumptions. | ||
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You people make me so sad. Ofcourse I don't actually belive VE's claim. It's insane. Bill Murray all over again. That doesn't mean I want to hammer him now or worse make it absolutely clear that I think he is scum scaring away every scum from doing anything exept sheeping you palmar. I could have done that with just as little ease tomorrow and after having people state their views we would have alot more information. Which was why I tried to start discussion topics. I'm counterproductivly posting this now because Palmar is going all out hardass on people trying to be smart so I think it could cause more harm then good not too. We can still expect potential roleclaim but if you protected palmar there is no need to reveal yourself since only a role-claim that would make Vicera green is usefull. Anything else wouldn't change todays outcome. (TLDR: If you saved palmar you don't need to reveal yourself) If VE gets hammered before deadline can we subtract 24 hours from the night which would in other cases be >48 hours? | ||
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*Spending a bunch of time to come up with a plan that first of all was actually obvious. I thought about it ten seconds after I saw vote-trading and I'm sure everyone who gave this game any attention thought about this fairly instantly (yes I'm talking about circle-trading) He made a few minor tweaks with it. Nevertheless the plan ultimatly favored scum bigtime. *Yabbing long chucnks of texts repeating what other people have said in attempts to look pro-town What he got going for him is he sent me a vote and despite his efforts to appear pro-town nobody gave him any votes. I would think if a scum tried to look pro-town it would give his buddies an excuse to give him a vote but this didn't happen. Opinion: Orange | ||
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You're stance is if town makes a mistake and mislynches you then town should be further punished. Do you think you're Bill Murray or something? Do you understand the problem with your stance? Do you understand why It's bad for town in itself? Now let's expand the thoughtbubble. Lets assume Palmar isn't just bluffing to get you to trade away your votes before we kill you. What if he actually wont push you because you're now a minimal threat. This will let you to stay in the game, do you understand what that means? You can continue to offer your thoughts and try to be an asset to town and you'll be alive and you can help town avoid a mislynch 100%. Isn't that alot better then stubbornly taking a pro-scum stance and getting mislynched. | ||
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On other accounts I view both LSB and Layabout as just about the same. *Alot of act, little under the hood. *Questionable behavior. | ||
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Layabout last damn time. We have two ways of neutralising players we suspect are scum. Removing their vote-power or lynching them. You choose tonight which one will happen to you. | ||
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layabout is obvious scum. First he didn't send his votes away. Then scum has some sort of really op vote-steal abillity. Why would scum use it on a townie? To try and frame him? Layabout didn't need framing so wouldn't it had been smarter to use it on someone else. Either way. No point in wasting time. ##vote layabout I'm actually alittle excited to see if we got the entire scumteam. | ||
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I'm not sure if we have a jailor. It could still be a medic and a mafia roleblocker. Altough I'm leaning jailor beeing more likely. | ||
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On February 02 2012 07:35 Forumite wrote: I would have been okay with that if people were faster with sending in their orders to zbot. Right now I´m missing votetrading from several players, so unless they get back soon, we´ll go with the original deadline, 10 KST tomorrow. What didn't we have something like 20 hours? | ||
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If you're not beeing honest you can trust that I will know. Also if you try to take shortcuts I will mistake that for lying so be meticulous. | ||
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Confirmed Townies Node Very Likely Townies Paperscraps Prplhz Likely Townies Sentinel Dirkzor Jackal No-Read Meatless Taco Scum Chaoser | ||
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Dirk & Jack I get very strong townie-vibes from their posts. Sentinel got very scummy posts but alot of the scums posts speaks in his favor. Meatless is to damn hard to get a read on. I'd say scum but without much confidence Chaoser is supposed to be a good player and still... He have hardly taken a single stance this game and been soft-unwilling against scum but pretty much nothing towards anyone else. | ||
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I'm a Vanilla Townie | ||
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this was what I was hoping for. We're about to get another confirmed blue. I'm not sure if Jay claimed the shot or not earlier. | ||
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(4) risk.nuke - Townie 1 -> Node (2) Sentinel - Townie 1-Prplhz (1) Meatless - Taco Townie (1) Node - Vigilante (1) Dirkzor - Vigilante (3) Jackal58 - Medic 1-> Node (2) Prplhz - ??? 1 -> Node (3) Jaybrundage - ??? 2 -> Jackal58 7 votes have disapeared indicating that both dead players gave away 1 vote to node. chaoser (6) Paperscraps (3) | ||
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We're roleclaiming because at this point we have a bunch of confirmed townies. There is little point in hiding blues to protect them anymore. Our objective is to clear as many people as possible and find scum by process of elimination. The later we claim the more dangerous it is due to no-flip. | ||
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Lets hammer this. GG. | ||
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 The "send votes to townreads plan" was always only valid the the first two nights. After two nights we should have ignored vp and instead just discussed lynches as a normal town. Once we reached a conclusion we should had used the vp to get the chosen person lynched. Townie-looking people wouldn't need vp because their opinions would weigh heavier on the discussion anyway. Essentially making vp useless. Then it would be more important to balance out votes to make sure scum couldn't do manipulate votes with abillitys like vote-siphon and vote-steal. I didn't care to post this plan day 3 because I thought we had won and I was afraid it would only stirr up some confusion in town and make you suspicious of me. | ||
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Link to observer and scum qt please. Thanks to Forumite and RoL for hosting, I thought the set up was really fun. And special thanks to Zona for Zbot. | ||
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On February 04 2012 23:09 prplhz wrote: Unthanks to risk.nuke for calling me a moron You know, when people just shit on other people like that without being constructive at all, it always makes it a lot easier for me to think that they're scum. Townies would say "you are a moron because this and that is wrong and you should think this and that instead" while scum are more like "you are a moron bec... well you're just a moron, alright?" Also makes me think that you're an asshole which makes me more likely to ignore you which townies again don't have any motivation for. I really don't get this BM going on, layabout saying "Fuck you" to jaybrundage out of the blue? What the hell was that about? There is a HUGE difference between being a bully and being an asshole. I'm not out for an apology or anything like that at all, I can totally handle it as I've been called a moron plenty during my time on these forums, I'm just pointing out that I think that behavior like this make the games less enjoyable. At least for me. Sorry for beeing bm, I'll try to think about that in the future  | ||
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Free trading was a neccersary informationsource in the start, aswell as beeing a huge pain in the arse for scum to deal with. Later on town needed to transfer into some sort of safer play where you try to keep the vp balanced out amongst the remaining players to cancel out the power of vp. I originally wanted to nullify vp importance because of the of chance scum through luck, manipulation or playing awesome managed to achive alot of vp. I had no idea of the scum abillitys and I never would had thought they had this many and this powerfull roles as they did, I was shocked. Granted there were alot of blues aswell but the scum abillitys for this game was fucking scary. Both vote steal and vote siphon (bus driver) is just op. Town might have had alot of townies remaining but as you could see it doesn't stop scum from wrapping the game up. We won because scum played pretty bad. LSB spent most of his time making scum-favored vote-circle plans putting him in the spotlight. Viceraeyes played incredibly suspiciously and then outed both himself and LSB in a panic attack. Chaoser: A player as good as chaoser not doing anything for several days made him very suspicious. Jackal made a pretty decent job at blending in but then he claimed medic. and town had a fair bit of luck. If scum had tried more to just blend in and look townish for the first days this would probably had been a walkover due to scum power-roles. | ||
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