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##Vote: wherebugsgo | ||
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You are player A. It is day1 you can give away 1 or 2 votes. Why would town benefit more from you giving away 2 votes than 1? Unless you expect that you're going to die that makes no sense. We have to play mafia and mafia includes a lot of forcing people to generate content to see how they behave. The plan "wing it and keep us posted" accomplishes exactly that. We can't sit around and be too afraid to do anything, that wont ever win us the game and it might just lose it for us. We can't let ourselves be distracted by huge plans that require everybody to be Mafia might look townie but only if they act townie. If they act townie then we're gonna win anyway 'cause they'll need to surrender after having bussed all of their teammates. I'm going to hold everybody responsible for whoever they give their votes to, I don't care if they're below you on the list or not, if you give your vote to someone then you better have a really good reason for this. Anyway, wherebugsgo is scum. wherebugsgo's town play can be characterized as very active and aggressive, he's a good scum hunter and decent at getting town to listen to him, he very certain and concious of his own ability, and he doesn't take shit from anybody. He always keeps his eyes on the ball and never makes a single post that doesn't have a purpose and that doesn't make sense. As scum he is still very active, but he doesn't make sense with everything he says. He is more lazy, less constructive, and more of a dick. I don't see town wherebugsgo. I see scum wherebugsgo. His vote against risk.nuke was terrible and he should know this, yet he votes him. First of all, risk.nuke is making sense in what he is saying, the trade circle (can we please refer to it as trade circle 'cause the other moniker is fucking terrible) is a bad idea. Second of all, anybody who is that vocal in their opposition to any plan is rarely scum. Third, wherebugsgo is voting risk.nuke because "he [risk.nuke] can't see this common sense" (about the trade-circle), but Palmar is opposing it too. Why does he hold risk.nuke to a higher standard than Palmar when Palmar is one of the best players in this game while risk.nuke is known to be semi-obstructive and hard to work with? Town wherebugsgo would have gone for Palmar because he has absolutely no excuse for what wherebugsgo says is bad logic, instead he avoids to do that. The vote was terrible and he retracts it without further reasoning. wherebugsgo votes for a lot of reasons, but this vote had no purpose other than him attempting to show his standard aggressive play but fails because he has no arguments. wherebugsgo ALWAYS has arguments, like this, this, and this. Contrast those posts to "he can't see the logic of a bad plan". His support of the trade-circle is also weird, wherebugsgo is fear mongering. The most obvious plan is that townies trade based on their reads, this will force people to contribute and will give us more very relevant to analyse. The trading is like a vote every night for who people think is more townie. wherebugsgo should think that this is awesome because he is town, but instead he thinks it's terribly because he's scum. Look at this post. "Giving votes to who you think is town is terrible because scum will look more town, THAN TOWNIES". What the fuck kind of logic is this? How are we every going to catch scum then, is he setting us up to lynch the people who look most town because they're likely scum? Second paragraph is hilarious. If we can't trust people to semi-reliably pick out who is townie, then how can we trust them to semi-reliably pick out who is scum? If we can't trust them to do that then what the hell can we do, just sit here and be so afraid to make mistakes that we will give the game away to scum? Single VP from town to mafia doesn't matter much because the mafia players who will end up with the most VP will be the most active and they will be figured out, the mafia players with fewer votes wont be as important to figure out right away. wherebugsgo should be fucking hooked on the free-trade plan, I don't remember a time when he was killed by town when he was town, but he's been figured out the last two times he was scum. That means that when he is town people usually know this, while when he's scum people will usually know this too. Then why doesn't he support the plan of trading VP to people who are town? Free-trading is a plan that allows everybody to ensure that their ability will be converted to votes, I think it massively favors town as long as we don't screw up massively which I am not going to assume. In this game we don't get a mod confirmed alignment of people who die. We need an analysis to confirm their alignment to ourselves. wherebugsgo provides absolutely no analysis for risk.nuke other than "he doesn't support the plan". Look at this. This is what wherebugsgo is capable of, that analysis was done a lot later in that game but wherebugsgo has uncharacteristically provided nothing at all this game. Now he is ready to kill me and [UoN]Sentinel at Paperscraps with absolutely no analysis given, even though wherebugsgo always provides some reason and analysis is even more important in this game than in any other. Only scum would benefit from a lynch we're unsure of because they would be able to spin it in any direction favorable to them. That said, I don't think [UoN]Sentinel or Paperscraps looks like they're likely scum. There's a lot of behavior from wherebugsgo that seems off but it's quite hard to write it down in a way that would make sense to a person who doesn't have several games with wherebugsgo. wherebugsgo is absolutely the best lynch we can get day1, I briefly considered other people and no-lynching but I'm pretty sure about this. I came to the conclusion that wherebugsgo was scum in Mini Mafia X and Responsibility Mafia! and I'm confident that he's scum in this game too even considering that it's pretty early in the game (caught on to him early on in Mini Mafia X too though) I know I voted earlier but it just looks good at the end of an analysis: ##Vote: wherebugsgo About the votes on me so far; they're all god damn stupid. If you really want me to defend myself I'll do that because I have more time now, but I don't think that if any of you read any of the few arguments that's been put forward so far, that you could tell me why they make it more likely that I am scum over town. I don't claim to be the towniest person but I am neither scummy and nor the scummiest so there's absolutely no reason to lynch me. Also, so funny with people voting for me for not immediately providing analysis, when they don't care about the analysis that free-trading would force out of everybody. Voting to force analysis out of me, but won't adopt a voting plan that forces analysis out of everybody. | ||
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Being busy for a while doesn't make me more scum, I am always active as either alignment unless I'm actually busy. If you want to force analysis out of people then why did you support the trade-circle? You voted for me because I didn't provide analysis. Look up there. Now remove your vote. This is a no-flip game, you don't lynch people for no reason. | ||
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I had your three people on my list too but apparently ranked in the opposite order. I see what you see but, VisceraEyes in XLVIII was very active too. VisceraEyes is an active guy. I want him to talk more which is why I wanted to give him some more time to see if it was just his dog that had died and that was the reason for his inactivity (sorry if that really happened!) or if he was really disinterested in this game, in the long run I'd say it is a scum tell for anybody. I'll vote him over [UoN]Sentinel but right now I'd rather lynch wherebugsgo. | ||
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The [UoN]Sentinel lynch is bad. This isn't the first time a newbie has confused "abrasive" or "seemingly wrong" with "scum". [UoN]Sentinel has been out there all game and he hasn't been afraid to speak his mind at all. He didn't cave in face of opposition, but he has realized that he was wrong. This isn't a scum tell at all, you'd acknowledge that you are wrong if you are wrong no matter your alignment wouldn't you? [UoN]Sentinel is likely just a newbie who really wants to play this game, we'll see about his alignment later but are you really willing to lynch him on that reasonable you have in a 4v11 no-flip game? Meta is absolutely useful for any lynch, so is behavioral analysis. Less so people pushing scum agenda, day1 is always hard to play, just because some new guy didn't think something fully through doesn't mean that he's scum at all. Scum generally will be much more wary of blatantly pushing scum agenda. You need to comment more on the wherebugsgo and VisceraEyes cases than "meta meh". wherebugsgo and VisceraEyes should post more in this thread, as should just about everybody else. | ||
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Pot, kettle, black, your vote is STILL on risk.nuke. Am I calling for your lynch because you are terribly wrong about him? It's not necessarily scummy to be wrong. What happened to your "I thought it was logical so I don't need to give reasonable, everybody can figure it out" and why are you suddenly all "Is it just me or <drep>"? What is your opinion on wherebugsgo and VisceraEyes? | ||
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Don't do it if you can do it later but within the deadline. There is no reason to end the night early, especially not before seeing if wherebugsgo will show up and say anything. I also want to make it clear to people that no-lynching should be preferred to lynching a person you think is town. There's no going forward tomorrow saying that you thought that wherebugsgo was town. Everybody who is voting or will vote wherebugsgo right now thinks he is scum and should be able to provide a reasonable (and should provide a reasonable). | ||
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On January 29 2012 09:35 Node wrote: Which games were WBG scum in? I'm considering dropping the hammer on him, but am still unsure. In a no-flip setup, I don't think that a risky lynch is that much better than a no-lynch, though I would still rather see somebody hang in the next half hour. I definitely am not going to vote for sentinel, though. He was scum in Responsibility Mafia! which ended just at the start of this month. You can see him being disinterested in the game around the time he got shot by a vigilante too. He was also scum in Mini Mafia X but that's a while longer ago. | ||
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Cool, hammer wherebugsgo now. | ||
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 Even though you left a full 8 hours before the lynch, not pushing [UoN]Sentinel strongly at all, you feel like you can come in here and complain about it? And you don't even have a point with your complaining, only "that was bad", you don't use it for anything other than complaining for the sake of complaining. Laughable at best, not laughable at worst. @Palmar What was that game where you were Arctocod with syllogism? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Palmar 2 -> Paperscraps Jackal58 1 -> Palmar chaoser LSB 2 -> layabout prplhz 1 -> Palmar Dirkzor 1 -> risk.nuke 1 -> Palmar [UoN]Sentinel 2 -> prplhz Paperscraps 1 -> jaybrundage 1 -> prplhz MeatlessTaco 1 -> Node 1 -> [UoN]Sentinel VisceraEyes 1 -> LSB layabout 1 -> Palmar 3 - 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4 Jackal58 3 - 1 != 3 chaoser 3 = 3 LSB 3 - 2 + 1 = 2 prplhz 3 - 1 + 2 + 1 != 6 Dirkzor 3 - 1 = 2 risk.nuke 3 - 1 != 3 [UoN]Sentinel 3 - 2 + 1 = 2 Paperscraps 3 - 1 + 2 = 4 jaybrundage 3 - 1 = 2 MeatlessTaco 3 - 1 = 2 Node 3 - 1 = 2 VisceraEyes 3 - 1 = 2 layabout 3 - 1 + 2 != 5 Four people missing a sent VP each and four people missing a received VP each. Palmar confirmed town. I think it's likely that scum would trade Palmar since they thought he was going down. Who traded Jackal58? | ||
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On January 30 2012 15:49 Dirkzor wrote: I sent 1 vote to Jackal. And why the hell did you do this? | ||
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On January 30 2012 16:19 Dirkzor wrote: I wanted to give palmar or LSB my vote - in that order. But figured that they would get a lot of votes anyway. Then i started to look for a less obvious townie. I gave him 1 vote because i think he is town. I was just playing with him Purgatory (he was scum) where he played differently then what he does now. Can you tell me how he's playing differently and how this makes him more town? | ||
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