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On January 12 2012 09:42 Probulous wrote:
Gonz case makes the most sense here. Paperscraps play is bad but could be townie. Blurry clearly had a plan all game long but has not been open about it. If Blurry actually wanted us to believe him he would have claimed muched earlier. half an hour before lynch is just not good enough, all it does is create confusion and possibly a no lynch.
Vote Blurry.
Wait, if my case makes the "most sense"; then why did you defend Blurry against it initially?
Also fuck, this is way too unexpected and WE HAVE SO LITTLE TIME.
BLURRY; WHY THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE THIS?????
ARGGGG, shit.....
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On January 12 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 09:50 CatsnHats wrote:
Xeris (MIA) and Blurry are not going to vote for Blurry. So we would need 5 out of the 6 to get Blurry lynched. It's easier to get me or Paper lynched because Blurry would actually vote for one of us. We cannot no-lynch. I would rather no lynch than lynch a townie. There is no reason for Blurry to lie. Saving your skin by claiming only works when you claim early. I want him lynched but if that can't happen, then I will vote Paperscraps. Gonz, what is your take on this?
Like I said, until Blurry doesn't respond to me I won't take the medic claim into account.
Fucking Blurry, if he's the actual medic this is all his fault.
He fucking claims and then DISAPPEARS.
FUCK
If we don't lynch him, then I don't know who the fuck to lynch.
It's too late anyways.
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On January 12 2012 09:59 Probulous wrote:
Don't worry Gonz, he will flip red and I will bow before you.
This one is yours!
It better fucking be
I'll go take a shower, and come after the flip...
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FUCK YOU Blurry, REALLY!!
So 1 hour before the lynch YOU CLAIM EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE NOT BEING LYNCHED!!!???
THEN YOU FUCKING GO TO "DINNER" AND FORGET ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE JUST DONE!!!!????
Also, Xeris was green all along??? FUkcing shitl
And we are at LYLO tomorrow NO MATTER WHAT!??????
ARGGGGGH, I'M SO FUCKING PISSED RIGHT NOW!!!!
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On January 12 2012 10:36 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:24 Cephiro wrote:
Nvm, I think I get it. Unless you are one of the remaining scums, if not both of you. If you did what I think you were doing, I don't think that was a good idea. >.> I hope you'll prove me wrong. It wasn't a good idea because Blurry actually was a medic. Mafia screwed us over from the start and I overthought things. I agree with Cats on Paperscraps. He gave up and then Gonz comes roaring in with his case on Blurry. The fact that Jitsu was suspicious about Gonz also makes Gonz look bad. Blurry really screwed us by claiming at the most retarded time. The way I see it, if Cats is town then the mafia are Gonz and Paperscraps. I am going to look into Gonz' s filter and do the same thing he did to Blurry. See who has been talking to and why. Who had he avoided and why did he tunnel him so early. It is not like other people's play was much better.
You are still caught up in that Jitsu WIFOM shit I see, for fucks sake..
Also NOW you are going to look into my filter? For fucks sake can people please stop doing this?
Everybody's "Oh, I'll look gonz filter", "Oh, the dead guy said he was going to look at gonz's filter". It's annoying as fuck.
If you are going to read my filter DON'T FUCKING ANNOUNCE IT LIKE IT'S THE MTV AWARDS OR SOME SHIT, JUST FUCKING DO IT
I am going to look into Gonz' s filter and do the same thing he did to Blurry. See who has been talking to and why. Who had he avoided and why did he tunnel him so early. It is not like other people's play was much better.
Yes you should, that's the reason I posted that in the first place, SO PEOPLE WOULD FUCKING USE IT!!!!
And you should use it with every other player as well, and every other player should use it with you and everybody else...
For fucks sake...
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On January 12 2012 11:11 Probulous wrote:
Alright mate, calm down.
You tunnelled Blurry from the start, any thoughts on other people? Shouting and writing page long rants help no-one. It makes it hard to read and hard to find what you're actually trying to say. You can't deny that the fact Jistu thought you had something interesting in your filter has no relevance when the one case you have been pushing all game turns out to be our medic. Everyone should be under suspicion so why get all arced up about it?
Honestly it just makes you look worse. Ranting does not help us find scum and it doesn't exonerate you. So take a chill pill, the game is not lost, we lynch scum tomorrow and we are looking much better.
*sigh*
I was fairly sure Blurry was scum, and had hoped Xeris would flip red too, I didn't pay much attention to everybody else by that point.
Fuck, now I need to reread everything *sigh*
Also, that whole filter thing does indeed annoy me. And Jitsu was fucking stupid for not posting his thoughts before the night ended.
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Wtf people? It's less than 1 hour and a half before the night ends and nobody's posting shit?
We are at LYLO tomorrow for fucks sake!!
Okay Paperscraps, I found your "read" on Blurry odd as hell.
Here are all the times you mention Blurry:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 10 2012 09:39 Paperscraps wrote:Blurry Scum 1. + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2012 22:40 Blurry wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 10:21 Probulous wrote:On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum. Terrible post, Gonz is right this tells us nothing at all. However you at least posted your thoughts on Sheth (Cats I'm looking at you). So to make it easy Blurry, would you vote to lynch Sheth? If not why not? Yes I would, and will. #Vote: Liquid'Sheth As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it. Either Blurry is trying to bus his mafia buddy, to alleviate further pressure from himself or has great gut instincts. I am leaning more toward the former, but he did make somewhat of a case about Sheth just pressuring and not weeding out scum. Read through his filter, something just doesn't feel right about him. I am interested in what his response will be.
Okay, so you start right off thinking Blurry is scum. However you justify it by your "leaning more towards the former" on a WIFOM situation, and the "something just doesn't feel right about him" wishy washiness.
+ Show Spoiler +Blurry doesn't agree to vote up Sheth until you ask him if he will. All his posts previous to that have no read on Sheth or say he he may be slightly town. I guess you are right that it is stupid to jump from Cats to Sheth, but you, one of the best readers in this game, think he is town now. Maybe that is what he wanted to happen. I still think he is scummy.
Okay, that is a good reason though, which is what I stated earlier.
+ Show Spoiler +I am still leaning toward scum on Blurry as well.
+ Show Spoiler +@Prob: Yeah I can agree with all of this. Right now Cats>Blurry, due to the death of Jitsu and re-reading the filters of Jitsu, Cats and Sheth.
Now suddenly you focus on Cats instead of Blurry just because of Jitsu's death and filter.
What made you think Blurry was less scum than Cats? Why didn't you pursue Blurry more?
+ Show Spoiler +I still am not quite sure about Blurry, he hasn't really done anything to justify himself as of yet. Also your sudden change of heart about him isn't helping that either, because you are the scummiest read town has at the moment.
"I still am not quite sure about Blurry"?
Didn't you say he was scum before? You even put Blurry in the "Cats>Blurry" scum-o-meter.
You also say he hasn't done anything to justify himself as of yet, and instead of convincing you he's scum, it convinces you that you are not sure? That doesn't make any sense.
+ Show Spoiler +4.Basically this all sums up to a redirection or deflection of scrutiny that is on you Cats and Blurry. I am positive that Cats in scum now, because he is scared that I suspect him of it and now gives some pretty trivial/wrong accusations against me. Sounds like he is getting desperate. This also further makes Blurry look bad.
All of a sudden Blurry is clean in your eyes? or maybe he is your scum buddy! I am guessing that latter. I bet this was your plan for the whole day to vote up Blurry, then have some sudden revelation and vote up a townie who isn't even responsible for half of his time in the game yet.
Now instead of "not being sure about Blurry" you still think he's scummy. But you don't outright say it.
You say "this also further makes Blurry look bad" and "maybe he is your scumbuddy! I am guessing that latter"
You are implying that if Cats is scum, then Blurry may be too. You are not saying Blurry is scum, you are just casting suspicion on him by your tunneling of Cats
+ Show Spoiler +Blurry slightly scummy(this depending on the current lynch of Cats). Cats strong scum read. That leaves me as well, but I don't really know how the majority read me yet.
Blurry voting up Cats could be his redemption though.
So Blurry voting up Cats is his redemption?
What?
+ Show Spoiler +As for your analysis of Blurry:
I can actually agree with this. I wish he would post more. He has you pegged as scum, so that makes him a little less noob though, haha.
3. Blurry does call out Sheth. I skipped over that because he does it in a shy way though and never follows through with analysis.
"He has you pegged as scum, so that makes him a little less noob though, haha."
What?
So you just forget about Blurry being scum because of that?
+ Show Spoiler +Lynching Cats or Xeris is win-win for me.
And here you never mention Blurry either, even though you had him as "scum" for a long time.
You basicly forget about him, even though he did almost nothing, and there was a case and pressure against him.
And what was that constant change of opinion on Blurry?
First you thought he was scum. Then you weren't sure. Then you thought he was Cat's scumbuddy, but then stopped thinking he was scum. And you gave almost no reason for these change of opinions.
Also, if you thought Blurry was scum, why did you ignore my case against him?
This I find odd as hell. It looks like you wanted to make Blurry suspicious but didn't want to actually make a case or anything against him on your own, nor you wanted to sheep other people's cases either.
If you thought he was scum, then surely you must have paid attention to my case, but you never mentioned it in the slightest
Also:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 13:54 Paperscraps wrote:
Just got back from school. Wow oh wow at what happened. Dang I wish Blurry didn't make a huge blunder like that. Town is in bad shape.
Seems like Cats and Prob or Gonz are mafia. Will be interesting to see who they target tonight.
If Prob dies, then it is Cats and Gonz
If Gonz dies, then it is Cats and Prob
If I die, which I won't think will happen due to people being suspicious of me, then I don't know who the last mafia is.
What is this?
You just assume both Cephiro and BK are town? And you don't give any reasons for it?
Also Prob, I'm reading your filter and I'm finding some odd stuff.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 09:17 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 08:43 CatsnHats wrote:
EBWOP: Probulous hasn't been targeted for a lynch yet, so we can't tell for sure if Blurry's telling the truth. Whilst this claim is somewhat unexpected, it doesn't really change our vote today. I think it unlikely that blurry was going to get lynched and we can let the mafia deal with him tonight. Either he protects me tonight and I survive, or mafia target him and I surive. I die, you lynch him. If he flips blue we can take a look at people targeting him if he survives he has a lot of explaining to do. Cats, this is just so wrong I don't know what to make of it. A medic saves people from a night kill, not the lynch 
+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 09:42 Probulous wrote:
Gonz case makes the most sense here. Paperscraps play is bad but could be townie. Blurry clearly had a plan all game long but has not been open about it. If Blurry actually wanted us to believe him he would have claimed muched earlier. half an hour before lynch is just not good enough, all it does is create confusion and possibly a no lynch.
Vote Blurry.
I pointed this out before, and everybody ignored it, so I will point it out again:
Wtf?
You first started saying that Blurry was likely a townie with bad play, then played devil's advocate and defended him from my case.
Then you backed out.
Then Blurry claims, and you basicly ignore it, I suppose you still had a town or null read on him at that point.
Then wtf? You suddenly think he's scum after "thinking this through". This doesn't make any sense.
You also say "my case makes sense", even though you defended him from my case previously!
Wtf? If you were scum it would be easy to figure out "Hey, I can get the medic lynched!", so why the fuck did you do this?
+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 10:36 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:24 Cephiro wrote:
Nvm, I think I get it. Unless you are one of the remaining scums, if not both of you. If you did what I think you were doing, I don't think that was a good idea. >.> I hope you'll prove me wrong. It wasn't a good idea because Blurry actually was a medic. Mafia screwed us over from the start and I overthought things. I agree with Cats on Paperscraps. He gave up and then Gonz comes roaring in with his case on Blurry. The fact that Jitsu was suspicious about Gonz also makes Gonz look bad. Blurry really screwed us by claiming at the most retarded time. The way I see it, if Cats is town then the mafia are Gonz and Paperscraps. I am going to look into Gonz' s filter and do the same thing he did to Blurry. See who has been talking to and why. Who had he avoided and why did he tunnel him so early. It is not like other people's play was much better.
I don't like this
You are saying things like "this makes gonz look bad" and obviously the "I'll read his filter".
You are clinging to the Jitsu WIFOM yourself, ever since Jitsu died, even though you had said this earlier:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 12:33 Probulous wrote:I like you  WIFOM is bad, yes what I wrote was WIFOM but it was hardly necessary to the point I was making. I do not believe that all mafia are lurking, sure people can vote them, I won't be one of them. But I concede your point about me WIFOming. I won't do it again. Discussing it helps no-one. If we have a situation where this comes up, for example people claiming, we discuss it then. Not now. It clogs up an already busy thread. I am not a smurf, so don't insinuate that I am. If people think I am dangerous, great. Try and be dangerous too. I don't want to be the only one pushing my reads hard. If you find someone suspicious, go after them hammer and tongs.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 11:11 Probulous wrote:
Alright mate, calm down.
You tunnelled Blurry from the start, any thoughts on other people? Shouting and writing page long rants help no-one. It makes it hard to read and hard to find what you're actually trying to say. You can't deny that the fact Jistu thought you had something interesting in your filter has no relevance when the one case you have been pushing all game turns out to be our medic. Everyone should be under suspicion so why get all arced up about it?
Honestly it just makes you look worse. Ranting does not help us find scum and it doesn't exonerate you. So take a chill pill, the game is not lost, we lynch scum tomorrow and we are looking much better.
You are saying I'm suspicious because I was pushing "all game" (it was only Day 3) for our medic...
How the fuck was I supposed to know he was our medic? What does his role have anything to do with being suspicious of me?
+ Show Spoiler +On January 07 2012 09:05 Probulous wrote:
Jitsu, Tunk, enough with the back and forth. It should be pretty clear you are both town to anyone paying attention. Don't waste your time arguing over a single badly worded post.
You both voted for AKCT before anyone else, that should be enough to ensure that you both did not jump on the wagon. You started it. Save your analysis for people who are possibly scum. This is just spamming the thread and making it difficult to spot other people's posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2012 10:19 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 05:46 gonzaw wrote:On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum. This is the biggest pile of WIFOM I've ever seen in my life. You still haven't responded to me, so as soon as you finish "re-reading their posts thoroughly", please post your findings AND respond to my post. I'll wait to see Sheth's response and how he reacts to make my read, although Prob's case makes sense. On January 07 2012 16:40 Probulous wrote:
To the rest of the town, please can I have your thoughts on Sheth and Cephiro? I am re-reading the thread over and over again and re-evaluating my positions on people. Null read on Sheth (until now at least), and Town read on Cephiro.Also people, what do we do regarding Xeris/Gretorp? Just wait? Gonz man, what the hell is this shit? You call others out for wishy-washy play but then post this contortion. You think my case makes sense but Sheth's response will tell you more? If the case is solid, nothing Sheth says should change your mind. He can always cast doubt on what I have written. I could forgive you for that, Ceph's defense for example shows what happens when a townie gets a case brought against him. But what is the null read (until now at least)  Is he null or not? You either are waiting for more info (null case) or you think he is mafia (until now case). How can you have both positions in the same sentence? Would you be willing to lynch Sheth?
I find this odd because it's the exact same thing you were doing there.
I find this odd as hell.
Every time you analysed other players, you analised behaviours, their reasoning for voting. You analised how they defended themselves, if they were inconsistent, etc..
You are making me look suspicious, but you are not using any of your usual scumhunting on me.
You were saying (or implying) I'm suspicious because of some bad wording I made before, even though you stated before that clnging on bad wording and stuff was useless.
You are saying I'm suspicious just because I pushed our medic, and just that. You never analised my reasoning like you did with other players.
You are saying I'm suspicious because apparently Jitsu found something suspicious about me before I died, which is total useless WIFOM which you specifically said you wouldn't use in the future
This is so full of shit.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 10:16 Probulous wrote:Well shit. Here is who we have left - Bkrow
- Cephiro
- Paperscraps
- Gonzaw
- Catsnhats
- Probulous
With two mafia somewhere in there. I know I am not mafia and pretty certain on BK being town. Given Cephiro was the one to hammer the vote that gives me two mafia in Gonz, Cats or Paperscraps.
You are certain on BK being town? I don't think you ever mentioned that before.
You just said that BK not caring about other people's opinion and posting habits made you thought he was town.
But what makes you certain he is?
I remember you being uncertain about Hippo before he was replaced, so what did BK do to make you think "you are pretty certain he's town"?
People, there are no "confirmed townies" here, nor Prob, nor Cephiro, nor BK. SO stop fucking assume they are, analyse everybody, pressure everybody, and most of all be skeptical about everybody.
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On January 13 2012 08:49 Probulous wrote:
Here I made a simple comment that if someone has been roleblocked, they should claim. Gonzaw points out that the mafia could do this as well which will fuck us up. Any information for town is good, look what happened last yesterday when Blurry claimed late. We have a lot more information now than before he claimed. With enough time claims can be verified. Gonz here seems to be suggesting no-one claim when they are roleblocked which keeps town in the dark.
Wtf is this shit?
Gonz here seems to be suggesting no-one claim when they are roleblocked which keeps town in the dark.
I can't fucking believe you could actually think that.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING AND YOU KNOW IT.
Knowing that Blurry actually was the medic makes this a particularly stark breadcrumb from him. Cephiro congrats on picking that up, I should have listened to you. But I want to point out how useless WIFOM discussions are in the early game. You have zero information to work with and so cannot make reasonable assumptions. All WIFOM does at this point is inflate your post count and clog up the thread. It makes it hard to find out anything because people are discussing stuff which has no bearing on the game.
Guess what? WIFOM discussions in the early game are not useless...
Like I said, discussing whether someone will claim RBed or something on late game is useless.
Just like you did from Day 3 onwards.
Note so far Gonz hasn’t actually targeted anyone for analysis. He writes massive posts with lots of white space but doesn’t really say much. Below is his first attempt at analysis
It's the fucking beginning of fucking Day 1, what the fuck did you expect?
Fluff and filler. This is not pressure, this is pointing out obvious stuff without following through.
How is it not pressure?
If you think that's fluff and filler it's your own fucking fault.
I mean "trusting" people is suddenly a scumslip? It isn't aggressive and doesn't force responses. Then comes his vote
For now I'll pressure vote Xeris to come here and post his thoughts, but if we have nothing to go on by the time the day ends I'll vote for you
Nice way to undermine the value of your vote. Look at the blatant contradiction to what he said on the previous page
At least it will guarantee they will not remain inactive the whole day, since if they do they get lynched.
Nice way to not even fucking read!
The rest of his analysis has him pointing out stuff about Cats and Cookie’s play but again he isn’t aggressive. He doesn’t explain how this makes them mafia or why it isn’t just a newbie mistake. In fact he mentioned Gretorp, Xeris, Cats and Cookie as scummy but voted for Xeris with a “pressure” vote which he himself says does nothing.
He then gets into a discussion with Xeris about Random Voting for some reason. There is some back and forth with Cats and stuff about timezones. There are a lot of posts but not much substance.
What is this?
You are just retelling what I did? What the fuck is the point of that?
Of course there is no substance in the RNG and the timezone argument, what the hell do you expect there?
I said so myself the RNG discussion should just be left for Post-game, it's not my fault Jitsu got caught up with it.
Then straight after my case on Cookie, Cats and Cephiro he post this long thing
Note that he had mentioned Cookie’s stuff earlier but never called him out on it. Then my case comes up and bam he is scum. His reasoning is that Cookie made a big “read” on who is town? As he says your role is to find scum, well Gonz at this point you had not found anyone except Xeris. A lurker who hadn’t posted anything of note. He then gets on Cookie’s case because Cookie trusts people. How are these two things, finding townies and trusting people, a mafia trait? Sure they are not the best townie play but they are hardly pushing a scum agenda. They are pushing for a miss-lynch.
What? Are you twisting my words here?
Of course finding townies and trusting people are mafia traits on themselves, hell, shouldn't that be obvious since a fucking townie did those?
The point is that mafia are likely to do that too, they want to contribute without appearing to do so and want to latch to other townies. "Finding townies" and "Trusting" fall under those two.
Also, again you are twisting my words.
I never said the only reason for FoSing Cookie was that read, hell I was pressuring him before with that "vote" thing, and I can still read what other people find about him.
He calls out Blurry for standing by his insistence that people claim when they are roleblocked, saying it should be obvious. This is a blatant contradiction from his earlier stance on the issue.
Some more WIFOM stuff, a discussion about Smurfs and some back and forth with me about what a lynch says about someone.
It's not a fucking contradiction, wtf are you talking about?
You are doing that "nitpicking over bad wording" thing fucking again.
Some more WIFOM stuff, a discussion about Smurfs and some back and forth with me about what a lynch says about someone.
Again, wtf is this?
You are just telling what I was doing? What's the fucking point of that?
Note that Sheth’s point is that if someone claims a roleblock, then there is likely to be a medic or DT. Mafia have not roleblocked all game, I believe this was their plan from the start. Hence why Gonz points outs the WIFOM to Blurry and why Sheth was so keen to talk about roleblocking and blue roles. In particular the DT. Gonz defends him here as talking to the DT.
This post was scummy as hell to me because there was no reason for Sheth to be talking about the DT. We had decided that before, but instead he tries to talk directly to them giving them misinformation. He says that if there is a roleblock then the DT knows there is a medic. Well as per previous discussions this is all WIFOM because scum could claim a roleblock.
Gonz was the one to point that out but here he defends Sheth. I misread Sheth’s post but upon rereading it looks worse. The fact that Gonz was so quick to defend him makes him scum in my eyes.
Gonz doesn’t really change his style for the rest of the game. He writes these massive posts with very little content.
You made a mistake there, and I corrected it. I didn't fucking know Sheth was scum at that point. I just saw you misreading and nitpicking someones post wrongly.
Also he was speculating if someone was RBed at night, not if someone claimed RBed! Those are 2 fucking different things.
I noticed that and corrected it, what's so fucking wrong?
The fact that Gonz was so quick to defend him makes him scum in my eyes.
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wtf is this shit?
He writes these massive posts with very little content.
What? You are just being like Tunk here from before, you are being fucking obtuse and making unfounded statements.
Voting analysis
Gonz first vote for a AKCT was because Cookie was scum. His reasons as pointed out were that Cookie was finding townies and trusted people. He never presented an updated case on Cookie. He called him out on small things but never presented a case that shows the scum agenda behind Cookie’s actions. His response on when Cookie flipped town
What?
Do I have to make a gigantic post quoting every single post from everybody, puting images and stuff to make you happy?
???
Are you fucking serious?
He then immediately jump onto Blurry. Now think for a second, we just lynched someone who was obvious a newb town.
Right, because you thought so too at that point :rolleyes:
We lynched him because his play was wishy-washy and it made him look like scum. So what does Gonz do, he jumps on a new candidate which looks exactly like AKCT.
This is fucking
His suspicions are based on actions which were identical to Cookies. Then he gets into a huge argument with Tunk about stupid stuff which I still don’t understand. Tunk rightly points out that Gonz is being distracting. I stupidly assume mafia would not put themselves in the spotlight like this by arguing with their night kill right before the day post. It is bad WIFOM and I shouldn’t have done that.
Again it looks like Gonz is being an aggressive poster trying to catch people but in reality he pulls Tunk up on stupid stuff. It was clear that Tunk was town the same for Jitsu. But earlier he called Jitsu out for supposedly claiming to be scum. This whole episode just reeks of looking like contributing without contributing.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Blurry's actions were identical to Cookies? What is that shit that couldnt' be further from the truth.
Whilst at the same time calling out Blurry on his WIFOM. The irony that Gonz is apparently the king of WIFOM but he finds Blurry’s WIFOM a scum tell?
Then comes his massive rant after Jitsu’s mentions him before his death.
You are fucking twisting my words again goddamit!
This doesn’t say anything except more crap about Blurry. As far I can tell he has no case against Blurry. Everything used to describe Blurry’s play could be used to describe Cats’ play. Hel Gonz was the king of WIFOM and he hasn’t explained how WIFOM at this point of the game is bad. It is certainly better now than in the early days. At least now we have some information to go off.
Then comes his vote for Blurry which I have responded to. The only thing that is of note is that Blurry hardly corresponded with Sheth. Of course he hardly corresponded with anyone so that doesn’t really mean anything. But Gonz goes balls to wall on Blurry.
I point out that Blurry would have had to bus Sheth very early for his case to make sense and given Blurry’s play it seems to sophisticated. Of course Gonz points out that the plan is pretty simple. He knows because that is exactly what he did. Blurry had no shown high quality play all game. He hadn’t provided any reads and was waffling a lot, Gonz however has shown he is willing to make risky decisions. He is willing to put himself out there. Thus I think it highly likely he would do something like bus Sheth. Especially since he was already seen as town.
He then attacks me for defending Blurry. I stupidly (sorry Blurry I was bad yesterday) back down. If I believe someone is town then I should defend them. Hell if you think someone is mafia you should attack but let others counter your arguments. Only mafia know for sure if someone is town. Gonz’s insistence that Blurry defend himself only makes sense from a mafia point of view. A town’s person wants to know where he is wrong. He cannot be certain, but Gonz doesn’t want counter arguments.
I fucking already explained why WIFOM at late game is bad.
And you are lying when you say Blurry's play was the same as Cats and Cookie, what the fuck are you on?
You also didn't fucking respond to the points I made before, not to that Blurry shit you pulled.
You are nitpicking my posts, you are creating "scenarios" regarging a Sheth bus and that "defence" and that setup thing.
What the fuck?
If you survive tonight then I'll be mostly sure you are scum, and you were trying to make me "suspicious" all long with the WIFOM shit and nitpicking, even if you said you thought I was as a confirmed townie to you
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EBWOP:
"Of course finding townies and trusting people are mafia traits on themselves,"
Should be
"Of course finding townies and trusting people are NOT mafia traits on themselves,"
Fucking I can't edit
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On January 13 2012 10:03 Probulous wrote:
Gonzaw, please leave the anger and swearing and vengeful wrath at home.
It doesn't help us out at all. It just makes it hard to read what you are trying to say.
I get pissed when people say stupid stuff, what can I do?
On January 13 2012 10:02 CatsnHats wrote:
Gonzaw never posts anything of substance. Just look at his defense post above. If you even FOS him a little bit, he goes into WTF fuck fuck fuck are you kidding me? mode. All of his post are just little incredulous statements that mean nothing followed by a question mark.
Thank you for your sheeping!
"All his posts are just little incredulous statements"
"Gonzaw never posts anything of substance"
You better back that up, I'm expecting your response if both of us are alive tonight.
Hell, even if I die you should post that response too
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On January 13 2012 10:14 Probulous wrote:
Gonz, your thoughts on my claim?
Until nobody counterclaims I won't be sure, specially if nobody claims RB tomorrow.
Actually, if there is no RB tomorrow, then you fake-clamiing right now is totally stupid if you were scum, since you would get caught.
If there is a RB, then the real DT would counterclaim...
Maybe if the DT is Paper/Cats, you could get a mislynch
At least this makes me sure there is a RBer, if not this would be the most stupid fake-claim ever.
Wait, maybe your scumbuddy could fake-claim RB...
Still, if that happens we would have the 2 scums pegged down, so it still would be stupid.
If you are the DT, then well, at least you claimed at the right time (right in the deadline).
However, I find it weird that you didn't play like a "blue" instinctly plays, like I read on Ver's Guide.
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On January 13 2012 10:24 CatsnHats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 10:21 gonzaw wrote:On January 13 2012 10:14 Probulous wrote:
Gonz, your thoughts on my claim? However, I find it weird that you didn't play like a "blue" instinctly plays, like I read on Ver's Guide. Basically you're saying, "You didn't play detective the way I wanted you too, because I'm mafia and it made it hard for me to be sure that you were a blue."
No I'm fucking not, I'm saying that's a reason why I'm not 100% sure on his claim
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Fuck.
Okay people, we need to get scum today no matter what.
I'm being unsure at the moment though.
Although now that we have less players, I'm pretty sure Paper is scum.
Cats, I want your response.
I'll check Cephiro's fliter too, everybody's been going about how he's "confirmed town", by Prob and others, and that is dangerous.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 11:11 CatsnHats wrote:He hasn't really posted much since, trying to fly under the radar if you ask me. Him sheeping against Blurry makes him look pretty bad after the fact too. I don't have an official write up on Gonzaw yet, but I think we should lynch Paperscraps first because he is the safer of the two options in my eyes. That way we can extend the game another day and you/bkrow can make more reads on Gonzaw and me to make up your minds between the two of us.
What?
Are you kidding me? You are just sheeping Prob again?
On January 14 2012 02:13 CatsnHats wrote:
That is 2 days in between most of those posts. 2 days is ALOT of posts and opportunities to make reads, especially for someone like Gonzaw who hasn't made a glaring mistake to completely change town sentiment on him. The reason I kept changing was his relentless aggression and cursing in his defense of himself. It kept throwing me off. I think he is mafia now though, and if we lynch him and he flips red, it shouldn't matter that I thought he was town in the early game, when reads are so difficult to make.
You are also getting on to me for my posting before the lynch and nightkill posts. You say they are filler. They may look like that now, but the hour before each of those events was a flurry of posting. If you think I'm scum because I posted a lot during the most stressful period of the game to date, then so be it.
On January 13 2012 10:02 CatsnHats wrote:
Gonzaw never posts anything of substance. Just look at his defense post above. If you even FOS him a little bit, he goes into WTF fuck fuck fuck are you kidding me? mode. All of his post are just little incredulous statements that mean nothing followed by a question mark.
Oh right, that was the reason
/sarcasm
You didn't even respond to that post I made.
Good job trying to get everybody to ignore that, but I won't.
And you know why I'm so angry at Prob's case? Because it's full of WIFOM, nitpicking of wording, logical fallacies, strawman and confirmation bias it's not funny!!!
Let's see Prob's "thought process" here:
-Okay, I'm DT, and I checked BK and came back town, therefore he's town
I assume Cats and Cephiro are town. Therefore gonz and Paper are scum.
Q.E.D......wait shit, I have to make a case against him now...hmmm what to do?
Oh, I'll just quote every post of his and "tell a story" about how he posted from a mafia perspective, that will work.
That's fucking confirmation bias, which makes all of his case fucking wrong.
You know why? Because I'm town.
Now why would that be possible?
Because he fucked up by assuming both of you (Ceph and Cats) were town.
Also, you are indeed sheeping Prob, and have been doing it since the beginning of the game.
Last day I also agreed with Prob that your game was improving, you were active and such.
But no, last night your game has gone to worse so bad it's not funny.
Your blatant sheeping with Prob against someone you weren't suspicious of before using a shitty case, makes you look SO bad, I'm actually thinking you are scum too.
Also, now that you think Prob is so "awesome" and has "awesome reads", let me tell you something about Prob:
How many "scum reads" did he make before mine?
4: Cats, Ceph, Cookie and Sheth
From Prob's POV (where he assumes both Cats and Ceph are town), then that means he got 3 out of 4 reads absolutely wrong!
But "well" you say, "at least he got the Sheth read right , right?"
Yeah, but why was that?
Oh yeah, HE GOT A FUCKING SCUM CHECK FROM SHETH
If Prob wasn't a DT, I'm sure he would have still thought Sheth was "null" and would have never made that case against him.
Then Prob makes useless assumptions, that both of you and Ceph are town. WHEN WE ARE AT FUCKING LYLO.
I fucking told him there are no confirmed townies (well, apart from BK at least), and he was so stubborn that he said "oh, you need to take some risks and find out who's town to weed out scum" or some shit.
Guess what? That risk will lose you the game because everybody is blatantly sheeping you! Thank you Prob!
For fucks sake, everybody thinks Prob's game is "so good", when it was actually shit.
Remember, HE GOT OUR FUCKING MEDIC LYNCHED.
AND YOU STILL SHEEP HIM. WITHOUT ANY OTHER REASONS.
Wait....
Nobody claimed RBed?
??? what?
Omg this is so fucking stupid lol
When Blurry flipped, SCUM KNEW THERE WAS A DT. And they didn't use their RB ability to try and block him? Are you kidding me? Scum must be so stupid, hahaa
Maybe they even forgot they had a RBer lol
On January 13 2012 16:06 Paperscraps wrote:I agree that this was all speculation, I will leave out wishy washy remarks in the future.
Right, so leaving them out in the future justifies you using them before.
/sarcasm
I was thinking that Cats was much more probable than Blurry first off.
After reading through Blurry's filter, he just seemed more inexperienced and more town.
Probulous also thinking Blurry being town weighed a lot with me, because probulous had good reads and analysis thus far.
Well, what a coincidence, you are sheeping Prob too.
I should have made it clear that the general census of the town leaning towards Blurry being innocent was swaying what I was thinking about him. I kept linking Blurry with Sheth. Blurry somewhat called Sheth out early on, but never followed up later. This was probably the main reason that I thought Blurry was scum. Prob and the rest of town convinced me otherwise. Even Cats started to convince me that Blurry was town.
??
I should have made it clear that the general census of the town leaning towards Blurry being innocent was swaying what I was thinking about him
lol
"Town was thinking that Blurry was town, therefore I should change my views against him because if I'm still suspicious of him I will look bad"
I was thinking that Cats is mafia, so if Blurry voted up Cats then that would mean that Blurry would indeed be town.
So you relied your analysis on Blurry on WIFOM?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Not just because of that, but also in general the town was swaying more towards Blurry being town. Blurry made a decent case against Cats. I didn't forget about Blurry being scum, but rather Blurry was lower on my list. I was thinking Cats would be a safer bet.
Again you are using the same "I was sheeping town" response?
You said "Even Cats started to convince me that Blurry was town", but you said "I didn't forget about Blurry being scum"?
What? He was on you "scum list" (albeit lower) but you were beginning to think he was town?
The constant change of opinions is due to getting caught up with the game, re-reading peoples filters and the general feeling of the town. Thinking he was Cats' scum buddy, was just hypothetical. I didn't ignore your case against Blurry. I just didn't find it very strong. I think the fact that Sheth and Blurry didn't talk much was due to Blurry being inexperienced plain and simple.
I don't know why I have to mention other peoples arguments against people, when I make my own. That is unreasonable.
Right, why would you even address an incriminating case against Blurry when you were thinking he was scum?
Oh yeah I know, so you could continue sheeping town and not look bad.
It is not so much that I am assuming people are town, but rather that I thought Cats and you were more probable to be scum than others at the time in such a situation.
You forgot to say that "we were more probable" when you blatantly said who would be scum when Prob died.
Pretty harsh thing to say. Making a case for someone being town is just as effective as making a case for someone being scum. Scum are the people that don't want others to know who town are.
Are you kidding me?
Are you really accusing me by defending Cookie's actions?
Gonzaw then proceeds to vote up CM. He doesn't provide any real evidence against CM.
??
Lol you didn't even bother reading my filter.
I don't have to give a detailed summary of why I think someone is scum dammit!
I already pressured Cookie, found his behaviour scummy, saw as he didn't respond and thought that was the best option.
You could have known that if you had read my filter
Gonzaws sticks with his vendetta against CM(AKCT), with no real evidence.
Thank you for ignoring my response to AKCT too!
Gonzaw is trying to cast suspicion on to Blurry. He knows that the mafia isn't going to use their role blocker, so that the town is at a disadvantage. This very reasoning lead us to the mis-lynch of Blurry. Oh the irony 
What?
I was pressuring him because do you know how easy is for scum to say "Oh, if someone is RBed they should claim" "Oh, if you are a vet and you were hit you should claim" and dwell on that so they appear like they are contributing?
This is the same thing Sheth did. He gave a pep talk to Cats to not throw the game.
You mean the same thing Prob, your magestical messiah did.
Also, do you think it was wrong for me to do that?
You are just desperately going through my filter taking whatever you can to paint me suspicious.
But of course, what else can you do? From your "POV" I HAVE to be scum, right?
Gonzaw claims that Blurry's reasons for voting up CM(AKCT) are bad.
Yet, Gonzaw claims that Blurry's reason were part of the reasons why he voted up CM(AKCT).
Sounds like a contradiction to me.
HAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
OMG, this is so fucking terrible it's funny.
Way to use a strawman buddy.
lol
1-For previous reasons of certain players
That fucking means that the player that voted for CM/AKCT had previous reasons, not that the reasons of those players were the same as mine.
Really, there is no way that could be misunderstood.
Lol, but good try, scum using strawmans confuses other townies from making good reads, good try indeed.
Then, Gonzaw sheeps/bandwagons(whatever you want to call it) with Prob in the lynching of Sheth. He doesn't provide any analysis of Sheth and says he had a null reason of him up until this point. Of course we know now that Prob knew for a fact that Sheth was mafia, but at the time no one knew this. Then he just disappears and leaves his scum buddy to die, so he doesn't have to provide any reasoning to his vote.
Gonzaw gets angry that Cehpiro called him out for him voting up Sheth with no analysis, yet Gonzaw rebukes other players for doing the same thing. Gonzaw responds harshly saying that people shouldn't be suspicious of him just, because of some WIFOM Jitsu made
Omg, you are still dwelling on that?
IT WAS ALREADY FUCKING ADDRESSED
IF YOU HAD READ MY FILTER AND THE THREAD YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN.
Let me repeat it for you if you don't remember:
I was away from town, I had no fucking internet access
What? Are you saying I lied?
Do you want me to send fucking pictures and witness reports (from my family) to prove you wrong? Because I can.
Gonzaw votes up Blurry for using his gut and WIFOM. Nothing substantial. Contradiction again.
Omg, more "misinterpretation"
DID YOU SEE THE PART WHERE I FOUND BLURRY WAS LYING?
ARE YOU IGNORING THAT ON PURPOSE?
ARE YOU IGNORING ALL THE OTHER REASONS I STATED ON N1?
This post is full of garbage. As other players have mentioned Blurry shouldn't have to be the only one to argue that he is town, others can argue it for him to avoid a mis-lynch. Mafia gains a clear advantage when no-body stands up for each other. Gonzaw is very aggressive and gives us some WIFOM against Blurry. Gonzaw is hypocritical here again, using WIFOM against Blurry, but when WIFOM is used against himself it can't be right.
Are you kidding me?
You are saying that a townie shouldn't defend himself?
If Blurry was scum, do you know how easy it would be for him to fucking forget about the game and let other townies defend him?
Are you seriously implying that just to make me suspicious?
Blurry told the truth the whole time. He admitted he was a weak player. Gonzaw says Blurry is playing the "newb card". Blurry was a newb. Gonzaw was trying hard to goad people into voting up for Blurry based on nothing really.
Right, because we knew that he was "telling the truth the whole time" at that point.
This is what you are doing:
-Gonzaw thought Blurry was scum because of X
-Blurry was X because he was town
-Therefore, gonzaw knew that Blurry was X because he was town, and therefore is scum
lol try harder.
You are sinking yourself deeper and deeper.
You are implying that when we scumhunt in the future, we don't take into account the "I'm a newb" responses, you are implying that we shouldn't let players defend themselves, and you are implying that we shouldn't pressure other players by the obvious statements they say.
Gonzaw doesn't even really defend himself here. He just curses a lot and says "you are twisting my words, stop it".
BECAUSE HE FUCKING WAS!!
What? You want me to make a 10 pages rebuttal of his terrible case?
His case is so fucking wrong it woudln't be too hard.
There is no reason to fake claim here. Probulous breadcrumbed in the beginning of the thread, if that isn't proof enough. Prob was spot on against Sheth. Gonzaw is pretty much the only person that against Prob right now. Gonz then posts this weird post above about WIFOM non-sense, something he is against.
What? There is no reason to fake-claim?
Are you fucking kidding me? IT'S FUCKING LYLO
IF HE FAKECLAIMS, AND THERE IS NO DT, THEN HE COULD HAVE SURVIVED D4 WITH HIS SCUMBUDDY AND WIN THE GAME
Are you fucking kidding me?
Also "Prob breadcrumbed in the beginning of the thread".
Do you think scum can't do that?
Even more, that breadcrumb was so "hidden", that scum can do it, but then never fakeclaim blue anyways, knowing the "breadcrumb" is so fucking hidden no other townie will ever find it.
And what WIFOM nonsense are you talking about?
Of course it's WIFOM, and it should be noted, BECAUSE YOU FUCKING GUYS JUST ASSUMED HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH.
Nail in the coffin.
Right : rolleyes :
Are you kidding me?
Are you saying that Ver's Guide is wrong?
If someone acts in a way opposite of what Ver says in the guide, I find that evidence enough to be suspicious, because I trust most of what that guide says...
It's also why they even put links to those guides here in the first place!
Also, wow. I'm almost convinced both of you are teaming up on me.
Either you blatantly sheep Prob's aweful case against me without any reason whatsoever, or you just skimmed through my filter and used strawman, misinterpretation and just blatantly wrong statements to paint me suspicious.
Not only that, both of you are saying "You are fucking suspicious and I think you are scum, but hey, gonzaw is scum too, we could lynch him first"
Hey I can do that too!!
"Hey Cats', you are fucking suspicious and I think you are scum, but hey, Paper is scum too, we could lynch him first"
##Vote: Paperscraps
However, I'll still fucking check Cephiro, everybody's just assuming he's fucking confirmed townie by this point is not funny.
Although that's a very good reason to fucking continue tunneling me
On January 13 2012 22:35 Paperscraps wrote:Cats inconsistent play doesn't strike gonzaw as odd?
By gonzaw's logic, Cats and gonzaw's minimal and evasive communication should be something to note then.
Cats is all over the place with accusations and changes of heart.
Yes, his fucking inconsistent play strike me as odd, but his behaviour didn't.
At least at that point, now I know I was wrong.
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On January 14 2012 14:31 Paperscraps wrote:gonzaw's response to my argument against him was kind of hilarious. He is digging his own grave at the moment.
Right:
"Wow, he made a good response, and found the flaws on my post and the reasons for it, what should I do?"
"I know, I'll say his post is hilarious and never address it, that will be okay".
Some points to be made about this hilarious post.
1. First off gonzaw is only being defensive and not offensive. I understand his back is against the wall, but you can't win unless you score a few points.
What about me fucking saying you are scum is not offensive?
I can basicly prove you are scum by your behaviour this day. It's so transparent you are scum it's not funny, and I'm sure BK will see that too.
2. His responses to my posts are poor. He laughs at some of the points I make. He avoids some points all together. He uses a bunch of curse words. None of this tells me anything.
Wow, the contradiction is so bad it hurts...
You say I avoid "some points altogether".
Guess what? YOU ARE AVOIDING ALL OF MY POINTS ALTOGETHER TOO.
You are saying my responses are "poor", but you don't even address them, good job!
This is huge scum tell to me. Answers are in the details.
Just because I don't post about the "details" doesn't mean I don't take them into account.
Strawman!
You can't base your entire case on some guide! People are unpredictable!
Then can you tell me why the flying fuck they put the links to those guides here in the first place?
Summary:
Both gonzaw and Cats are slipping now that the pressure is on. Both are making mistakes/contradictions. They are being evasive. Just look at how Cats is being so passive, yet he knows I am mafia! Where is the analysis! We are MYLO and he is dodging. gonzaw I am not worried about, it is plain as day that he is mafia
No, you are making mistakes/contradictions, and cats is slipping under the pressure.
Also, we are at LYLO not MYLO for fucks sake, learn the difference.
On January 15 2012 02:50 Paperscraps wrote:
@gonzaw: I haven't forgotten that Cats and Ceph could be the last mafia as well. I think this possibility is very small. I am not going to feel bad either if town loses because of this. You have only made the situation worse with all of your laughable posts as of recent.
I will give you same ultimatum I have given Cats. Prove to me with non-rage induced analysis that Cats and Ceph are cohorts. Go on the offensive for once!
lol, you want me to "prove" that the other players, who are not you are mafia.
You see, that's impossible, since you are mafia.
That leaves me with convincing Cephiro and bkrow that I am town and CatsnHats is scum.
Wow, so previously you were convinced that both me and cats were scum, and now you are saying "Oh people, I know this is WIFOM, but what if Cephiro is scum? HMM?".
What's with this sudden change of mind?
Oh I know, you are just sheeping my previous suggestion. You are trying to create chaos and confusion. There are like 6-7 hours remaining before the day ends, and now you want others to "prove" Cephiro is scum instead of doing it at the beginning of the day, or when that giant popcorn row started?
lol nice try, you know that will basicly end discussion until the day is over.
On January 14 2012 05:19 CatsnHats wrote:I provided the Paperscraps case, but I haven't done a full blown Gonzaw case yet. I don't know if a full blown case is needed on him though. We have Prob and Jitsu suspecting him, and now they're both gone. That counts for something. I still post something about Gonz later though. As for who is more dangerous, I kinda think Paperscraps is. I don't think Gonzaw is capable of defending himself well other than cursing and rhetorical questioning, Paperscraps is beginning to be more active (although I don't think his arguments are that great). I could see Paperscraps convincing you and bkrow that he is just a newbie though, and that scares me. That being said, I'm fine with voting off either, because I think both are mafia. What do think Ceph?
Wtf?
You haven't responded to my posts yet.
You haven't even stated a single reason of why you think I'm scum, you are just sheeping on Prob, and you continue doing it .
Holy scum batman!
I want Paper lynched so his logical fallacies and contradictions are finally over, and it will be fairly easy to hang cats afterwards.
But I don't mind hanging cats on this day, at least to avoid NL.
Also, I'm eager to wait for Cephiro's "case" against me, I'm sure it will be as shitty as Prob's and Paper's.
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On January 15 2012 04:30 Paperscraps wrote:I can't address the points you made that are outlandish and wrong. We need to get away from this circular argumentaion.
Right, they are "outlandish and wrong" but you don't have the time to even state why they are so
/sarcasm
How do I address something like this?
Easy, tell me why you used a fucking obvious strawman
There is a big difference between arguing against some one with analysis on their filter and your obvious OMGUS retaliation.
lol I thought you were scum as soon as Prob died, no OMGUS shit.
I already answered this above. Repeating the same point over and over doesn't make it more right.
What?...what is this response?
So you justify my response being poor by saying "repeating them over and over doesn't make them right".
You know what? It also doesn't mean they are wrong
Can't you see this is a blatant fallacy?
Can I read your mind? No. Then there is no way for me know if you are paying attention to detail if don't post analysis.
Well well, so "there is no way for me to know if you are paying attention to detail" = = "what you said was a scumtell"
Interesting.
To help us?...
Yeah, so the fact that I used the guide makes it "the nail in my coffin", right?
No, one can be certain of anything. The end here is coming down to what is most probable. Also it must be possible since I am town. Saying "I am town" doesn't hold much weight. The same thing goes with saying "you are mafia", without proper analysis to back it up.
lol, so you base your scumreads on "what is most probable"? lol
Your blatant and intentional use of logical fallacies to make me lynched is enough evidence.
Oh of course, not taking into account your "constant change of mind" regarding Blurry, and your sheeping on Jitsu and Prob.
This is a viable concern, if you can't see the logic in that then I don't know what to say to you
Yes, a "viable concern" you stated 7 hours before the day was over.
I posted my thoughts for my concerns in the posts previous. Having a change of mind and having a concern is different.
Right, but at first you were "certain" we were scum, and then you have your "concern" right before the day ends, and you tell everybody to make an analysis on why Cephiro could be scum, effectively wasting everybody's time and letting time pass till the day ends.
Yeah, because Probu wasn't acting in the best interest of the town. His arguments must be bads. Purely subjective nonsense.
Do I have to repeat myself on why Prob was fucking wrong?
Check the response to cats, I'm sure you missed it trying to find the exact posts that paint me suspicious.
Okay then lets see you do it!
Shouldn't be hard.
But of course, you will say it is wrong because I would be "repeating the same points over and over" right? And then you would ignore it, I'm sure you will.
@ Gonzaw: (Answers to your post in bold.) + Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 08:48 gonzaw wrote:Wtf people? It's less than 1 hour and a half before the night ends and nobody's posting shit? We are at LYLO tomorrow for fucks sake!! Okay Paperscraps, I found your "read" on Blurry odd as hell. Here are all the times you mention Blurry: + Show Spoiler +On January 10 2012 09:39 Paperscraps wrote:Blurry Scum 1. + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2012 22:40 Blurry wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 10:21 Probulous wrote:On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum. Terrible post, Gonz is right this tells us nothing at all. However you at least posted your thoughts on Sheth (Cats I'm looking at you). So to make it easy Blurry, would you vote to lynch Sheth? If not why not? Yes I would, and will. #Vote: Liquid'Sheth As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it. Either Blurry is trying to bus his mafia buddy, to alleviate further pressure from himself or has great gut instincts. I am leaning more toward the former, but he did make somewhat of a case about Sheth just pressuring and not weeding out scum. Read through his filter, something just doesn't feel right about him. I am interested in what his response will be. Okay, so you start right off thinking Blurry is scum. However you justify it by your "leaning more towards the former" on a WIFOM situation, and the "something just doesn't feel right about him" wishy washiness. I agree that this was all speculation, I will leave out wishy washy remarks in the future.+ Show Spoiler +Blurry doesn't agree to vote up Sheth until you ask him if he will. All his posts previous to that have no read on Sheth or say he he may be slightly town. I guess you are right that it is stupid to jump from Cats to Sheth, but you, one of the best readers in this game, think he is town now. Maybe that is what he wanted to happen. I still think he is scummy. Okay, that is a good reason though, which is what I stated earlier. + Show Spoiler +I am still leaning toward scum on Blurry as well. @Prob: Yeah I can agree with all of this. Right now Cats>Blurry, due to the death of Jitsu and re-reading the filters of Jitsu, Cats and Sheth. Now suddenly you focus on Cats instead of Blurry just because of Jitsu's death and filter. What made you think Blurry was less scum than Cats? Why didn't you pursue Blurry more? I was thinking that Cats was much more probable than Blurry first off.
After reading through Blurry's filter, he just seemed more inexperienced and more town.
Probulous also thinking Blurry being town weighed a lot with me, because probulous had good reads and analysis thus far.+ Show Spoiler +I still am not quite sure about Blurry, he hasn't really done anything to justify himself as of yet. Also your sudden change of heart about him isn't helping that either, because you are the scummiest read town has at the moment.
"I still am not quite sure about Blurry"? Didn't you say he was scum before? You even put Blurry in the "Cats>Blurry" scum-o-meter. You also say he hasn't done anything to justify himself as of yet, and instead of convincing you he's scum, it convinces you that you are not sure? That doesn't make any sense. I should have made it clear that the general census of the town leaning towards Blurry being innocent was swaying what I was thinking about him. I kept linking Blurry with Sheth. Blurry somewhat called Sheth out early on, but never followed up later. This was probably the main reason that I thought Blurry was scum. Prob and the rest of town convinced me otherwise. Even Cats started to convince me that Blurry was town.+ Show Spoiler +4.Basically this all sums up to a redirection or deflection of scrutiny that is on you Cats and Blurry. I am positive that Cats in scum now, because he is scared that I suspect him of it and now gives some pretty trivial/wrong accusations against me. Sounds like he is getting desperate. This also further makes Blurry look bad.
All of a sudden Blurry is clean in your eyes? or maybe he is your scum buddy! I am guessing that latter. I bet this was your plan for the whole day to vote up Blurry, then have some sudden revelation and vote up a townie who isn't even responsible for half of his time in the game yet. Now instead of "not being sure about Blurry" you still think he's scummy. But you don't outright say it. You say "this also further makes Blurry look bad" and "maybe he is your scumbuddy! I am guessing that latter"You are implying that if Cats is scum, then Blurry may be too. You are not saying Blurry is scum, you are just casting suspicion on him by your tunneling of Cats Yeah, now I was linking Blurry with Cats. Cats was pushing for Blurry to be lynched then switched to me, which made me think that it was some sort of trick. I was wrong on this. Noob mistake on my part.+ Show Spoiler +Blurry slightly scummy(this depending on the current lynch of Cats). Cats strong scum read. That leaves me as well, but I don't really know how the majority read me yet.
Blurry voting up Cats could be his redemption though. So Blurry voting up Cats is his redemption? What? I was thinking that Cats is mafia, so if Blurry voted up Cats then that would mean that Blurry would indeed be town.+ Show Spoiler +As for your analysis of Blurry:
I can actually agree with this. I wish he would post more. He has you pegged as scum, so that makes him a little less noob though, haha.
3. Blurry does call out Sheth. I skipped over that because he does it in a shy way though and never follows through with analysis. "He has you pegged as scum, so that makes him a little less noob though, haha." What? So you just forget about Blurry being scum because of that? Not just because of that, but also in general the town was swaying more towards Blurry being town. Blurry made a decent case against Cats. I didn't forget about Blurry being scum, but rather Blurry was lower on my list. I was thinking Cats would be a safer bet.+ Show Spoiler +Lynching Cats or Xeris is win-win for me. And here you never mention Blurry either, even though you had him as "scum" for a long time. You basicly forget about him, even though he did almost nothing, and there was a case and pressure against him. And what was that constant change of opinion on Blurry? First you thought he was scum. Then you weren't sure. Then you thought he was Cat's scumbuddy, but then stopped thinking he was scum. And you gave almost no reason for these change of opinions. Also, if you thought Blurry was scum, why did you ignore my case against him?This I find odd as hell. It looks like you wanted to make Blurry suspicious but didn't want to actually make a case or anything against him on your own, nor you wanted to sheep other people's cases either. If you thought he was scum, then surely you must have paid attention to my case, but you never mentioned it in the slightest The constant change of opinions is due to getting caught up with the game, re-reading peoples filters and the general feeling of the town. Thinking he was Cats' scum buddy, was just hypothetical. I didn't ignore your case against Blurry. I just didn't find it very strong. I think the fact that Sheth and Blurry didn't talk much was due to Blurry being inexperienced plain and simple.
I don't know why I have to mention other peoples arguments against people, when I make my own. That is unreasonable.Also: + Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 13:54 Paperscraps wrote:
Just got back from school. Wow oh wow at what happened. Dang I wish Blurry didn't make a huge blunder like that. Town is in bad shape.
Seems like Cats and Prob or Gonz are mafia. Will be interesting to see who they target tonight.
If Prob dies, then it is Cats and Gonz
If Gonz dies, then it is Cats and Prob
If I die, which I won't think will happen due to people being suspicious of me, then I don't know who the last mafia is. What is this? You just assume both Cephiro and BK are town? And you don't give any reasons for it? It is not so much that I am assuming people are town, but rather that I thought Cats and you were more probable to be scum than others at the time in such a situation.
You were suspicious of Blurry thanks to WIFOM
Then you say that you started to think he was town because you were sheeping Prob, and because "town thought that way"
However, you still thought of Blurry as scum
Then, because Blurry voted Cats, you instantly thought he was town, because of WIFOM.
Really? Blatant sheeping, justification of your "reads" based on WIFOM, inconsistencies in your "read" of Blurry, etc, etc...
Pretty harsh thing to say. Making a case for someone being town is just as effective as making a case for someone being scum. Scum are the people that don't want others to know who town are.
You are making me suspicious by defending Cookies actions. This is an obvious attempt to make me suspicious without even trying, you just say "Cookie was a townie, therefore he was right, therefore your reason for being suspicious of him was wrong, therefore you are mafia"
Gonzaw then proceeds to vote up CM. He doesn't provide any real evidence against CM.
You "forget" that I was continuously pressuring CM and pointing out very bad and scummy play from him.
Gonzaws sticks with his vendetta against CM(AKCT), with no real evidence.
You "forget" about my responses to AKCT too
Obviously you are twisting my interactions with CM/AKCT to make it look like I just "voted him for no reason", or maybe even "sheeped along" or some shit
Gonzaw is trying to cast suspicion on to Blurry. He knows that the mafia isn't going to use their role blocker, so that the town is at a disadvantage. This very reasoning lead us to the mis-lynch of Blurry. Oh the irony
You are purposefully misinterpreting "pressuring" as "casting suspicion".
You also make a nice totally irrelevant tale about how if I was mafia I would have not used the RB or some shit.
Then you make an irelevant remark about how because mafia didn't use the roleblocker, then Blurry was lynched.
Hey, PROB got Blurry lynched, not me, and certanly not mafia. You know this but purposefully make me look suspicious by saying "oh you are mafia, and you didn't RB so you could cast suspicion on Blurry and lynch him afterwards, because you suddenly knew Blurry was medic all the game, and that Prob was DT so you could get Prob to lynch Blurry" or some shit.
This is the same thing Sheth did. He gave a pep talk to Cats to not throw the game.
Here you blatantly lie to make me suspicious.
Gonzaw claims that Blurry's reasons for voting up CM(AKCT) are bad.
Yet, Gonzaw claims that Blurry's reason were part of the reasons why he voted up CM(AKCT).
Sounds like a contradiction to me.
Of course, let's not forget the obvious strawman that you use to make me suspicious, which you don't even try to justify
Then, Gonzaw sheeps/bandwagons(whatever you want to call it) with Prob in the lynching of Sheth. He doesn't provide any analysis of Sheth and says he had a null reason of him up until this point. Of course we know now that Prob knew for a fact that Sheth was mafia, but at the time no one knew this. Then he just disappears and leaves his scum buddy to die, so he doesn't have to provide any reasoning to his vote
Here you are using my inactivity to paint me suspicious. When you well know that I couldn't have done anything regarding it.
Gonzaw votes up Blurry for using his gut and WIFOM. Nothing substantial. Contradiction again.
Again, trying to make me suspicious by blatantly ignoring my post and picking the parts of it that you want
This post is full of garbage. As other players have mentioned Blurry shouldn't have to be the only one to argue that he is town, others can argue it for him to avoid a mis-lynch. Mafia gains a clear advantage when no-body stands up for each other. Gonzaw is very aggressive and gives us some WIFOM against Blurry. Gonzaw is hypocritical here again, using WIFOM against Blurry, but when WIFOM is used against himself it can't be right.
Here, let me repeat what I said previously (and you ignored)
Written by gonzaw, whatever:
This is what you are doing:
-Gonzaw thought Blurry was scum because of X
-Blurry was X because he was town
-Therefore, gonzaw knew that Blurry was X because he was town, and therefore is scum
lol try harder.
You are sinking yourself deeper and deeper.
You are implying that when we scumhunt in the future, we don't take into account the "I'm a newb" responses, you are implying that we shouldn't let players defend themselves, and you are implying that we shouldn't pressure other players by the obvious statements they say.
There is no reason to fake claim here. Probulous breadcrumbed in the beginning of the thread, if that isn't proof enough. Prob was spot on against Sheth. Gonzaw is pretty much the only person that against Prob right now. Gonz then posts this weird post above about WIFOM non-sense, something he is against.
Again, you are making me suspicious because I doubted a blue claim
Nail in the coffin.
Sheeping your scumbuddy to paint me suspicious, because I wasn't sure of Probs claim.
You can't base your entire case on some guide! People are unpredictable!
Strawman, I never said I would base an "entire case" on some guide
To help us?...
Again, you are contradicting yourself. You say that me using the guide to "help me" figure out whether Prob's claim is true or not, is the "nail in my coffin".
You are blatantly trying to use anything in your power to paint me suspicious. You know I'm town and so need to fabricate things to make me suspicious.
So right now that leaves Cephiro and Cats both on the same playing field in my eyes. We all need to be finding holes in each others posts. I have argued against Cats, so I am going to focus some attention on Cephiro to see what I can find out.
Right, you are trying to paint Cephiro suspicious so maybe you don't need to start a heavy bus right away.
However, you can't find anything against him, even if you continue to paint him suspicious, so you finalize your bus:
Thus, CatsnHats and Gonzaw are mafia scum.
BOOM! Goes the dynamite!
However, later you just state that the scum teams are based on "probability".
Cephiro and gonzaw are still a possibility for mafia, even though it is slim.
@Cephiro:
I think you are town. However you can't be 100% certain that I am town and I can't be 100% certain you are either. Just making sure we cover all possibilities.
I am very interested in your take on gonzaw.
Question: Would you be willing to lynch gonzaw instead of CatsnHats?
In the off-chance you are mafia, you are very devious haha. I can't find anything in your filter to suggest you are scum though.
WIFOM: The only reason I had any suspicion of the possibility that gonzaw and you might be the last two mafia was because you were delayed in making a case solely against gonzaw and pushing Cats. I was thinking you were going to make a case against gonzaw first, because he seems more scummy to me than Cats, but not by much. If by some miracle Cats was innocent, however unlikely, then switching gears to get Cats lynched instead gonzaw would cause the town to lose.
I think this is very unlikely.
I am over thinking things. I agree with you. It is clear that Cats and gonzaw are the last two mafia.
Really what the fuck is this wishy washy thing?
First you say that me and Ceph are a "possibility".
Before you were "sure" cats and me were scum, but now you start talking about "possibilities"? What?
Then you immediately say that you think Ceph is town, and immediately say "oh you have a chance of being mafia, we can't be sure wishy washy wishy washy".
Then you use WIFOM to be more wishy washy, and then immediately say that me and Cats are the two last mafia.
For fucks sake this is so wishy washy it's not funny.
Also, you just said "I will check Ceph" or some shit before.
You didn't ask me to make a "case" against Ceph, and you didn't ask your scumbuddy to make one either by that point.
You did it almost when the day was over
Because you knew that would give you time, it would make me contribute less trying to come up with a "case" against Ceph which you know won't happen since he's town.
It will excuse your scumbuddy from posting or doing shit by "doing the same thing"
Then, even if one of us would "find" anything, all the remainder of the day would be used to discuss that, which is pointless since Ceph is town, and you know it.
You know this will clog up the thread, and waste our time.
And of course, your refusal to respond to my points, you justifying it by implying "you repeated your points over and over, therefore they are wrong" and "that post was hilarious, therefore I won't respond to it".
It's clear as day you are scum
@gonzaw:
I just wanted to say that the anger in your posts should be avoided in the future. What am I to think of some ones state of mind when they make a post full of cursing, CAPS, weird spacing and general hostility. Anger leads to irrational thinking. This nullifies anything you say.
I know my anger towards fallacies, confirmation bias and stuff is not called for.
But I can't do much about it. However, I doubt that makes me "think irrationally", since for me to be angry I have to notice the fallacies in the first place.
Also, I never do Ad Hominem attacks, I never insulted you nor anybody.
If you can't handle a few "for fuck's sake" then it's not my fault.
...ehmm, with the exception of Blurry when he was lynched, I would want to apologize to him because of that.
Also BK, I'm waiting for your analysis and who you think we should lynch.
As how things are going, I'm happy since we are bound to get scum.
However, I would prefer to lynch Paper first. His logical fallacies, misinterpretation and nitpicking are indeed dangerous and can make you or Ceph believe he is town.
Once Paper flips scum, Ceph will know I'm town and we can be safe to lynch Cats, so I beg of you to think this through
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Good god, another piece of confirmation bias bullshit!
On January 15 2012 07:23 Cephiro wrote:
Case #2
First you are trying to paint me as "experienced", when it's my first time playing. A few others called me out for my bad starting posts, but for some reason you are trying to make me look dangerous, but not calling out on that mistake?
What? I wasn't painting you as "experienced". You were experienced, at least that's what I got from at that point.
I wanted to know why to pressure you, what's wrong with that?
In the latter part, I think it's because you know that there is a mafia roleblocker (for all I know you could be the mafia rb, it's you or Cats after all). You're trying to set yourself up for fake-claiming in case it's needed. Your only risk would be the counter-claim, but especially since your strong start you must've believed that you can convince everyone that you would be the real power role.
What? You are basicly making up one of those "Prob's stories" there.
I didn't fucking know if there was a RBer or not. I wanted people to not assume there was one if someone claimed RBer. I can't see how I'm fucking suspicious because of that
Setting yourself up to start pressuring Gretorp more once he shows up, also asking Cats to join the bandwagon if you decide to start one. Unfortunately that didn't quite work out since he was so inactive, you had to find another target.
What? You are telling me you didnt' want Gretorp pressured?
Also good story there! You are just like Prob!
Keeping up Gretorp's name just incase anyone is about to forget, then soft-pressuring Cats about some more pre-planned "newbie" mistakes.
??
For fucks sake you are just telling me what I did?
Of course I was bringing Gretorps name so nobody forgets, because people were forgetting about him.
Maybe not by that point, but yes later
Also lol at that second part, fucking confirmation bias and shitty storytelling.
Filler, but admitting it to excuse yourself.
Yes, so?
I didn't want anybody to dwell on that, I just wanted to give my thoughts so I didnt' forget about it on Post-Game or something.
Also maybe someone could have said something interesting about it
More back-and-forth chit-chat w/ scumbuddy Cats, so that no-one can back to you about ignoring him. Here you are "learning him how to play", with the previously planned "newbie mistake". Also, what are these "reads" you are talking about?
What the? I was assuming he was a newbie there that didn't know what to do, so I explained to him what he could do or should do.
Are you going to tell me that's a "scumtell"? Prob has been doing it the whole game with Cats.
"What are these "reads" you are talking about"?
Are you kidding me? He said he was "waiting the return of Blurry and Xeris", so I wanted to pressure him so he would give his thoughts about it eventually
He picks on Cookie here and votes for him due to his newbie play and mistakes. Yet he lets me off the hook for some of the same things. Taking one out, setting the other up for brainwash, trying to convince me into agree whatever your opinion is later.
Also, the same mistake Cats did later. Soft pressuring Probu, not really blaming him for anything, but throwing around the idea that he could be scum. Just trying to cause suspicions here.
What?
I won't fucking repeat the reasons of why I voted Cookie, read the fucking thread. I pressured him, pointed out his blatant scummy mistake when he said he would vote for the player with the lowest vote total.
He ignored me, so I continued pressuring him.
That was my biggest tell, and as far as I remember you didn't do anything similar like that.
Everybody needs to be pressured, even the "confirmed townie messiah" Prob.
Fluff talk about using a similar format.
Then you bring up Gretorp again.
Wow, cool story bro.
What's the fucking point of saying what I'm doing?
Also, it's not fucking fluff, it was pressure, and it payed off because he said the stupid "I will emulate players" shit
And.... CONTRADICTION! Here you are saying if a townie is roleblocked they should claim "of course". But earlier you go on about how a possible fake-claim could mess it up, making the town think there is a roleblocker when there isn't. You're being ambigious here, so that you can back up on yourself whatever someone thinks.
No it's fucking not.
I don't get how this is so hard to understand:
-If you are a townie and you were RBed, claim you were RBed
-If someone else claims RBed, don't blindly believe they were
Where's the fucking contradiction?
Blablabla WIFOM blablabla LYLO blablabla WIFOM blablabla RB blablablabla WIFOM. What's the point?
Wow, great effort there.
If you hadn't seen, Prob thought I was "red" because of the WIFOM shit, which was stupid, and I pointed out why, and explained it to him so he wouldnt' make a similar stupid mistake in the future.
Soft-pressuring Probu again. Picking up on his mistakes, trying to punish him for that.
What? So if someobody has a "mistake" nobody should even mention it?
Backing up scumbuddy Sheth.
I already said this, how the fuck would I have known he was scum by that point? Shit
Then he has a longer post where he blames Xeris, Cookie, and Blurry. ( 3 townies )
What does the fact that they were townies got to do with it?
First of all, Xeris played horribly, even in the 4 posts he made.
I noticed that and pressured him, and he played worse later.
Also, what? I'm "blaming" them?
I'm pressuring them, I can't see how you would think that is "scummy"
Time to pressure the next townie a bit, Jitsu is under the gun this time.
What?
Again with the fucking confirmation bias
You are assuming I'm scum, and so you think "well, he is scum, therefore he knew Jitsu was town".
That's fucking wrong and you know it.
Also, what, I should choose specifically who to pressure and who not to pressure? Just because somebody is "town" in everybody else's eyes doesn't make it in mine. Nor Jitsu, nor Prob, nor Tunkeg were free from being pressured.
I don't want the others to know if there are blues since they could use that information to check us or protect our night-kills."
No, I didnt' want the blues (if there were ones) to fucking out themselves so scum would kill them as they please
"Blablabla, our kill went through, I'll post some filler." Re-read his reads knowing he is town and everyone's reasons for voting bla... isn't that obvious?
You keep bringing Gretorp up again. You sure want this lurker townie lynched? And then pushing the other lurker too. Going for free town-lynches much?
Nice story.
And no, it may not be obvious, at least not as obvious as "If you are RBed you should claim".
Remember how in every Newbie game here the coaches say in post game "Every flip, reread the thread knowing they are town, bla bla bla".
If the coaches need to explain it every Post Game, then I need to explain it here.
Also again with the Gretorp thing? I'm not pushing I'm pressuring them and I didn't want other to forget about them
"I'm not saying the lurkers are mafia so I can't be called out for that, BUT OH THEY ARE SO SCUMMY AND WE NEED TO GET RID OF THEM, THEY ARE DANGEROUS"
Yeah. >.> Keep pushing for the lurkers.
What? You are fucking twisting my words again.
I never said we needed to get rid of them (although them being replaced sooner or something would have been better), I said they needed to be pressured.
Keeps bringing up a quote that doesn't really mean pretty much anything. BUT IT'S A CLEAR SCUM-TELL ABOUT A LURKER!!!!
*sigh* You are telling me that statement doesn't strike you as odd or anything?
Again, it's basicly playing the "newb card", in an EXTREME way, that it needs to be brought up so he can explain himself
Keeps going about on how Cats's game sucks whether he is mafia or not --> "Don't take notice of him, he's just bad"
When in reality, the mastermind plan has just started...
Are you going to say the same thing to Prob?
Time to start blaming the next townie. But he ends up being too clever -> He has to be killed.
Then you keep posting back and forth with Tunkeg arguing useless crap to keep him occupied until you get him killed.
Very pro-town play.... eh?
Like I said, nobody is free from pressure.
Tunkeg posted a shitty post and I brought it up, how the fuck do you conclude "Time to start blaming the next townie" from that?
Oh I know, fucking confirmation bias
Oh, the mighty Probu mindcontrols even the mafia. "I strongly believe that my scumbuddy is scum after reading your case."
You all scum certainly kept sucking up to him trying to stay safer that way. And here you do your brilliant move. Placeholder vote so that you won't be suspected at all if your scumbuddy dies. I think you had planning on sacrificing someone all along? Unfortunately for you it came sooner than expected due to Probu's N1 check. (Brilliant move, thanks for believing in me!), but you managed to talk your way out of any responsibility. How are you supposed to get any kind of read on a placeholder vote?
What the..?
I WAS FUCKING AWAY, for fucks sake how many times do I need to say this?
Looks so genuinely happy.... not.
Wow, thanks for that insightful remark
Long story short: Accusing Probu & Blurry after Sheth's flip for different stuff, then OMGUS-defending when me and Cats pick on his placeholder vote.
I'll give it that you've played well as mafia constantly picking each other for all kinds of small stuff but nothing that you could REALLY blame each other for.
What the fuck? That was never OMGUS?
I was pointing HOW IDIOTIC IT WAS OF YOU TO SAY I WAS SUSPICIOUS BECAUSE OF THAT, since I was away.
Also, Long story short: thank you for just retelling what I did, good job at that!
Even longer story short:
Filler crap about how it's so bad that a lurker got replaced with another, when it's actually making the game easier for you scummies.
This is the point where you've already suspected Blurry is the medic, and he starts pressuring him accordingly, to move on into getting him lynched D3.
He also "Doesn't like the Cats bandwagon because it's so easy to lynch him." Nice defense for your scumbuddy there.
Of course I was angry at the "lurker replaces lurker" thing, who woudlnt' be?
lol, I suspected Blurry was the medic?
Wtf? Are you going to retell every single post from the "scum QT" perhaps too?
What the fuck is this speculation shit?
I pressured Blurry because he posted WIFOM shit, contradicted himself, had shitty reasons for voting, I didnt' "know he was the medic".
If I had known, then I wouldn't have pressured him.
Gonzaw goes on suspecting and pressuring Probu because he keeps defending Blurry from Gonz's accusations.
What? Are you telling me Prob should defend Blurry from every accusations?
How about if nobody does anything, and the game only revolves around Prob accusing and defending others? That would be fun!
And makes up the most wishy-washy explanations how Blurry is scum ever.
What? That wasnt' a "reason" for why Blurry was scum.
I already explained why
Those explanations where of why Blurry's post was shit, which actually convinced me he was scum
He just ignores everything Blurry says and calls it WIFOM. Easy analysis? Hell yeah.
He then also picks on Blurry for playing the newbie card, but then he lets Cats away with it. Talk about bias....
IT WAS FUCKING WIFOM.
AND HE WAS IGNORING EVERYTHING ELSE I SAID TO HIM.
Cats had already been called out by his "newbie card", I didn't need to call it out to, it would have brought shit to the discussion.
He keeps calling out Blurry for his bad claiming timing, and says that he won't even consider the possibility that he is the medic if he doesn't respond to his posts. = Easy way out of the responsibility of the lynch.
Right, so again, I'm scum for doubting a blue claim?
Okay:
Hey! If you are scum and I'm town in a next game we play, fake-claim all you want! I will instantly believe it now because if not everybody will assume I'm mafia!
"I iz cauzin some confuzions to meik it ezpz" - All over it.
Wtf? First of all, I understood shit of what you just said there
Oh yesh, Probu is about to bow to the mafia. Isn't that what you wanted.
Thank you for the useless storytelling
Enter fake-rage mode. I think you are so sure of your win that you aren't even concentrating here anymore....
Right, so there's no reason for me to be angry that our medic claimed 1 hour before the lynch, when he only had 1 vote on him, and he never showed up to respond to accusations and was lynched, right?
/sarcasm
Fake depression time. "I r so desperatez bcuz I messed up " "Wai people blame me???"
Oh right, so if I continue swearing it was "more of the fake-rage mode", but if I calmed down it was "fake-depression time"
This is a piece of shit argument, full of confirmation bias.
Cephiro, you better take a close look at Paper, he's pulling the wool in front of your eyes goddamit!
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Wtf? Ceph was my scumbuddy? I thought it was Cats?
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Had great fun guys! Great game!
Even you town, you don't know the lols that Blurry lynch gave us 
Also people.
If I offended anyone with the "aggressive" thing (Blurry and stuff), then I apologize.
It was just the "being aggresive=being townie" act until N3, and after that I was just lazy and did it for fun
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EPT
