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Okay risk. But please contribute!
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I'm gonna sleep now guys cya when I get back from school! :D
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Derp I gave risk some time to contribute but nooooooooooo he just randomly comment's on BHs post.
On January 10 2012 07:26 risk.nuke wrote: Blazing please use spoiler tags to organise your huge posts
##Vote: risk.nuke
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@BH blazing what do you think of risk? he hasn't been helpful to town in anyway to me
On January 09 2012 20:18 Bluelightz wrote:Okay guys, I'm suspicious of risk.nukeHe has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from, Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote:I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal. BluelightzBluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote:Okay here's the continuation of my reads Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it ! Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is! Read the top. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 05:08 Bluelightz wrote: First, I don't like the idea of lynching lurkers because more or less it justs waste's us a townie and
Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec
Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers
First,
I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way. Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example)
Also,
Here's the list of people I want posting
xsksc Cwave risk.nuke Errandor
That is all. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Wants to lynch a lurker.While his response could seem understandable because he did say he'd like to lynch a lurker in lack of better options. But then there is this On January 05 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 21:49 Palmar wrote:On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:On January 05 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote: So who would you lynch Bluelightz? Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Yes, but which lurker, and why? At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him He is clearly quite fond of the idea of lynching lurkers.Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis. Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game. RefallenWhat I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town. + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote: Finally started! Hype!
My first thoughts on the setup;
Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact. Even though I approve of strategy talk to give us something to talk about day 1 this doesn't fit. This is just empty. There is nothing here that can be of used by town or be discussed about. Fluff. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote:Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts: Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. Show nested quote +it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown? The rest of the post is... "fluff" "I don't have a lynch target" "I Want palmar to start posting" + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 02:23 Refallen wrote: Think this makes me 3/3 of me being discussed as lynching on day 1 as a townie, my play sure is good /sarcasm.
Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep.
Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim)
With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self. This is just a stall post imo. He confirms he knows he is beeing looked at but doesn't write much for a defense. Instead he just says that tomorrow he'll write something usefull. Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him. xskscxsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to. Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote:I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:So to conclude my posting for now, my lynch targets are Palmar and risk.nuke. Among the two, I'm not sure who I want to lynch first. Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. This is just fearmongering. @Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum. And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse. Now, Everything else in his filter is either a. one liner b. responding to a case against him c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah So, he isn't contributing in any way I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing.
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@risk Just this, who do you want to lynch and why? join the discussion! When you are available just post your thoughts.And now, I told everyone already that there would be difference on when I post.
On January 09 2012 01:20 Bluelightz wrote:Im gonna sleep now gyus, also I want to notify you that the period's I will be available will be shorter because School! is starting
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Okay risk, i believe you for now. So, who do you want to lynch? why?
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Hmm, I'm back guys so here's my thoughts
risk.nuke
On January 09 2012 20:18 Bluelightz wrote:Okay guys, I'm suspicious of risk.nukeHe has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from, Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote:I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal. BluelightzBluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote:Okay here's the continuation of my reads Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it ! Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is! Read the top. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 05:08 Bluelightz wrote: First, I don't like the idea of lynching lurkers because more or less it justs waste's us a townie and
Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec
Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers
First,
I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way. Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example)
Also,
Here's the list of people I want posting
xsksc Cwave risk.nuke Errandor
That is all. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Wants to lynch a lurker.While his response could seem understandable because he did say he'd like to lynch a lurker in lack of better options. But then there is this On January 05 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 21:49 Palmar wrote:On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:On January 05 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote: So who would you lynch Bluelightz? Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Yes, but which lurker, and why? At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him He is clearly quite fond of the idea of lynching lurkers.Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis. Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game. RefallenWhat I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town. + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote: Finally started! Hype!
My first thoughts on the setup;
Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact. Even though I approve of strategy talk to give us something to talk about day 1 this doesn't fit. This is just empty. There is nothing here that can be of used by town or be discussed about. Fluff. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote:Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts: Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. Show nested quote +it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown? The rest of the post is... "fluff" "I don't have a lynch target" "I Want palmar to start posting" + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 02:23 Refallen wrote: Think this makes me 3/3 of me being discussed as lynching on day 1 as a townie, my play sure is good /sarcasm.
Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep.
Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim)
With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self. This is just a stall post imo. He confirms he knows he is beeing looked at but doesn't write much for a defense. Instead he just says that tomorrow he'll write something usefull. Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him. xskscxsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to. Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote:I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:So to conclude my posting for now, my lynch targets are Palmar and risk.nuke. Among the two, I'm not sure who I want to lynch first. Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. This is just fearmongering. @Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum. And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse. Now, Everything else in his filter is either a. one liner b. responding to a case against him c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah So, he isn't contributing in any way I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing.
Grackaroni
Really, he votes by saying like this.
I Agree with you X,
(short reason)
On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I agree with you. An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets.
##Vote: Errandor
and he also votes at the current vote leader.
Looking for an easy lynch?
On January 11 2012 13:13 Grackaroni wrote: I feel that between risk.nuke and RoL, Risk.nuke is the better lynch.
RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town.
The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits.
risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life.
With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch.
##Vote: risk.nuke
Also, since Palmar's flip I am suspicious at the people who tried to not vote him
On January 07 2012 09:12 Grackaroni wrote:@HoD + Show Spoiler +If someone beside HoD is reading this, the question I am answering is "why I thought Bluelightz play as scum would be bad for town?" I really hate the quote formating inside of the spoiler so I'm going to avoid posting long quotes from student. On December 14 2011 09:44 Bluelightz wrote: sorry just didnt feel like posting (>_<) On December 08 2011 00:05 Bluelightz wrote: PS: if i don't post much it's because I don't really have a good scumread on anyone if I do I'll post my analysis
On December 14 2011 15:57 Bluelightz wrote: sorry BH, didnt notice your case till now so,
##Vote: Tunkeg
BH, is there any other of his posts that make you have a scumread on him?
also, after looking @ BHs case m mind is decided for this day
On December 08 2011 18:57 Bluelightz wrote: ey215 is leaning scum, when he says
I Am Town
but then, I quote Grackaroni
On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote:
NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
He openly showed no issue with lurking He openly sheep's other people Further when he posts his own cases they always end up being null. sometimes he took completely random parts of our posts out and used them for the main basis of his read. Maybe he did most of these things purely because he was scum but I think he could at least realize that his play wasn't resembling pro-town play
Anyways if you really want to I could go over everyone one of his posts from the last game and tell you what bugged me about them. But the point is that I should not have based his entire play off of only one game from him as scum, and I shouldn't have brought my annoyance with his last game's performance into this game either. Now I get to focus on the game that is actually being played instead of going over this old one. As for Palmar I don't think the meta can conclude that he is scum and he seems much more willing to contribute than errandor. palmar could be our best scumhunter and I don't think a day1 meta read should be enough to risk killing one of our best players Besides people are downplaying his scum play so somebody explain to me why people keep saying that it will be scary if Palmar is scum? Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 08:26 Palmar wrote: people on my wagon need to take a long hard look at their play. sheeping activity meta is fucking terrible. when i flip theres no excuse. no "well he played scummy". the only reason youre voting me is youre terrible and cant think. because none of you have anything. I'm going to assume that your issue is the sheeping and not that the case is built off of meta because you are voting for Errandor because of activity meta while criticizing other people for doing the same thing to you.
So, I think risk is a good lynch but, I am suspicuous of Grackaroni
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I'm gonna sleep now guys gonna make a case on someone when i get back from school
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I'm back guys but I'm leaving in a sec.
Anyway, I'm gonna post a analysis of some post's by Grack and Spaackle
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I'm typing up the post right now.
@Grack Before I post my analysis, Who would you lynch if you couldn't lynch RoL
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Well, First I'm sorry I haven't contributed.
Grackaroni
So, for Grack I am examining How he votes,
First d1
"I Agree with you X"
On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I agree with you. An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets.
##Vote: Errandor
d2
"Risk is leading vote count let's lynch him!"
On January 11 2012 13:13 Grackaroni wrote: I feel that between risk.nuke and RoL, Risk.nuke is the better lynch.
RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town.
The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits.
risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life.
With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch.
##Vote: risk.nuke
d3 "Oh everyone's suspicious of RoL, I'll do the same"
On January 13 2012 10:19 Grackaroni wrote: I think it was in response to Zephirdd's theory about him. RoL has gone long enough delaying scumhunting, I think he's scum. ##Vote: RebirthofLegend
Also, some other reason's
First, on d1 after Palmar's flip i took a look at people who we're content on lynching him and people who are not.
d1 he say's
"An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar"
also,
"Heck I'll also defend Palmar!"
On January 07 2012 10:04 Grackaroni wrote:Wiggles seems confident in his vote and I sincerely believe that he thinks Palmar is scum. In fact Wiggles' case has been extremely helpful because it was what prompted Palmar to get into this game, even if it was originally just so he could call wiggles bad. Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 06:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On January 07 2012 05:51 syllogism wrote:Wiggles what do you think about Erandorr and Risk nuke and don't you think that in a 6 scum game it would be safer play to lynch one of them or Tyrran as I would estimate that they are at least as likely to flip scum and are going to be considerably more worthless even if we happen to be wrong. I'm going out to eat in about 5 minutes. When I get back, I'll read through all their filters and give you my thoughts. The thing about lynching Palmar though, is that not many people here are going to be willing to lynch him later in the game. A lot of these newer players seem very reticent to lynch him, and I'm not sure why. They're coming up with excuses for his bad play, and trying to come up with flimsy excuses to not lynch Palmar. If I die, you die, or Jackal dies, not many people here would be willing to actually push a lynch on Palmar. They'll probably just sheep him to the victory of whatever scum faction he belongs to. Anyways, I'll be back later. This I don't really agree with, I would be perfectly fine with lynching Palmar later in the game I just don't think lynching a veteran with strong town play based off of meta is a good idea. people seem to feel that his scum play is really weak so why not give him a chance, give him another day to catch some scum or to build a case based less on meta that he is normally more active and aggressive as town. The bottom line is that I think Wiggles is sincerely convinced that Palmar is scummy and that this is not a scum ploy. Wiggles play looks pro town to me. But as for Jackal he seems less convinced that Palmar is actually scum, it looks more like he just dislikes him. Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 22:35 Jackal58 wrote:On January 06 2012 19:04 Tyrran wrote:On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote: I'm thinking Jackal is town this game. At least, he appears to be taking a different route than on TLXLVIII when he was scum. Plus I don't think any scum would risk trying to outright lynch Palmar without a really detailed case.
I disagree with you here. From the few games I've read Palmar seems to be a efficient scum hunter.Bussing Palmar is therefore an good scum strat. Almost EVERY SINGLE one of Jackal post were attacking palmar. And he NEVER had more than 1 line of justification. He did not even refer to MrWiggles case. That is scummy play for me. Also note that as there is 2 scum faction, they can perfectly both be scum, one angel and one demon. I'll be looking at both of them today. Palmar need to step up his game, and Jackal needs to start become useful. Almost all of my day 1 posts attack Palmar. It's a habit. Not necessarily a bad one either. Why do you always attack Palmar? He is not the best vote for today.
Lastly,
How do you know they will flip scum? (Both flipped town)
[rh][/rh]
On January 08 2012 09:34 Grackaroni wrote: @BH/Layabout FFS, they are probably both going to flip scum, we just need to avoid a no-lynch. Right I think you guys just want to be the person able to brag about finding scum.
So, that end's my analysis on Grack.
Next in line, Spaackle
First,
On January 08 2012 11:07 Spaackle wrote:So, the experienced player obviously know how to play town (duh, they're experienced). They know how to be as helpful to the town as possible. Taking from Ver's guide(?) to town play: Link here (clicky)+ Show Spoiler +There are three main goals for the town on day 1 in a standard game: 1) Get useful information (often achieved via point 2) 2) Create an ideal atmosphere (will go over this in detail in town guide) 3) Figure out your plans/direction
The obvious way to analyze the situation would be to take the current players in suspicion and see if they are trying to achieve the above goals.: risk.nuke: Filter (clicky)1) Get Information -- I hate to make a meta argument, but I feel like it's necessary here. When I played with risk in Election, he spent much of Day 1 jabbing at other players and trying to squeeze info out of them. I feel like he isn't doing this so much now. Many of his posts have been reactions to the poking of others, and he's offered little analysis of his own. His play in this regard doesn't look very towney to me. 2) Create an atmosphere -- This goal is linked with the previous one. The best atmosphere for town is one where they can get as much information as possible. I feel like risk is falling short here too. He hasn't been offering many points for discussion, and his reactionary posting has most other townies snapping at him. 3) Figure out plans -- This is a tough one. There really haven't been any plans put forth by anyone, just some bandwagons and a lot of finger pointing. risk has been doing just about as much of this as everyone else. Risk's play is looking a bit scummy to me. He hasn't been offering much solid analysis, and he fans the flames of the arguments in the thread. We definitely need to pressure him some more tomorrow. More coming soon!
Hmm, in this post I only think he's scum because risk flipped town. Though, If I could ask him anything it would be anything else beside these three points
On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote:Palmar:Filter (clicky)1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though. 2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects. 3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans. Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him.
Again, but this time is because Palmar flipped scum
On January 10 2012 13:02 Spaackle wrote: I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then:
##vote RebirthOfLegend
"People wanna lynch him, hmm i'll join in too!"
so basically sheeping
On January 11 2012 15:51 Spaackle wrote:So, after reading through Tyrran's thread, he's starring to look pretty scummy to me. He's posted much less than most others in this game, and his posts are long and full of fluff. He seems to spend a lot of time trying to tell other players how to play when he could be giving analysis or answering questions. He also contradicts himself a few times. Posts that really stand out to me: + Show Spoiler +What makes you think that angels will want to target the blues ? They are pretty much immune to blues, appart from the seer which will be desintegrated by the Angel of Death if he ever claim ( or i guess you could banish him, but then he would be pretty useless). So angel will just randomly shoot into townies, who knows, they migth even get a lucky shot on a demon, they migth also kill townies with dark power if they are not banished.
Secondly you suppose that Demons are going to want to use their banish defensively. If they want to do this, then Demons will just banish the Demon Hunter ( which will NEVER EVER be targeted by angels, because he basically works for them). If they have corrupted someone, they can also banish the sage, and just enjoy they extra vote ! They are not going to banish someone in order to 'protect' him.
Your plan gives HUGE information to both scum faction, and town actually gains very little from it. I dont like it. I think it favors Demons way too much ( because they can protect themself way more easely using their power knowing who the blues are), it also helps angels a bit ( they can kill the seer, they do not risk killing the demon hunter by mistake). But town is definitively the big loser in your plan. And Okay, i misread and missed the color only claim part. My bad, gotta go back some new googles.
Your plan is therefore much better than i initially thougth. I still have an issue with how you are going to deal with corruption. Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too. On one hand you say that corrupted town should claim, but on the other hand you also advise multiple claim. What does town gain form multiple corruption claim ? While i agree that this migth confuse scum, If the angels are in doubt on how to get rid of corrupted townies, how are we going to know how to deal with it ? These posts are a glaring contradictions to each other. Tyrran points out several large flaws in RoL's plan. However, when RoL clears up the color claim issue, suddenly these flaws aren't so bad anymore. To me this represents a bit of wishy-washiness on Tyrran's part. He's very opposed to RoL's plan one minute, then thinks it's not too bad the next. There's Also this bit: Show nested quote +Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too. By we, does Tyrran mean town? Or is there some special we only him and RoL know about? This post caught my eye too: Show nested quote +Well I dont see how this could have gone better :D. One demon dead ( GJ DemonHunter or Angel Acolyte, whoever got him) and no unrevealed death. Perfect N1 for town. Here are some initial thought about what happened N1 :
On January 09 2012 12:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: I agree that it was most likely Palmar that sent me to purgatory, as I can't see any town player choosing to protect me over syllo, and I can't see town trying to use it for the roleblock on me instead of protecting someone. What I am more confused about is why he would do that.
Agreed. Syllo was one of the most valuable town assets day 1, channeler sending him to purgatory was the best and obvious move. Palmar maybe thougth you were AoD, and/or DemonHunter. He also maybe tried to protect you.
The fact that there were no ???? flip leaves us with 4 probability:
AoD targeted Syllo. This is unlikely. It was clear in the thread that the banish was going to be used defensively, and Syllogism was one of the most obvious target. I' not sure why angels would target him other than them being bad.
AoD targeted HarbingerOfDoom. This is a possibility. I'm not sure why they would choose him over BH, Wiggles, layabout tho
Syllo is the AoD. This is unlikely, he has been very active for town during day 1. Yet, we cannot ignore this possibility. I dont want him lynched today, but if he is banished again N2, and once again the AoD do not kill, then we will have to consider him as a lynch.
HoD is the AoD. This is a possibility too, but i'm not sure about it. I'll try to find some time to read his filter today.
Questions to discuss day 2 :
What do you guys think of Syllo and HoD ? Are they summy too you. Do you think they were liekly target for the AoD?
With no ???? flip, RoL plan could still be put into motion. What do you think about it? this is one of theposts that I really think paints Tyrran as a scum. He starts by congratulating the DH for the kill, then starts listing possibilities. His possibilities state what could have happened, but Tyrran doesnt really ever state what he thinks happened. Just "well maybe this or that." This noncommittal post also really highlights just how wishy-washy Tyrran has been this whole game. Tyrran, wha do you have to say for yourself?
Hmm, this seem's townish to me but what happen's next make's me suspicious.
He keeps on repeating the reason why he voted/unvoted RoL.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 02:55 Spaackle wrote: @Zeph I unvoted RoL because I thought there might be a better lynch than him. I posted my reads on Tyrran last night, and was going to do the same for risk today, but you guys hammered the lunch during my morning classes. I Would have voted risk, but I wanted to do a thorough analysis of his posts before I put the last nail in his coffin. You guys beat me to the punch.
The fact that risk flipped town is problematic. It brings us no closer to finding the rest of the scum. However, risk is still the best option for yesterday, IMO.
Tonight, DH should hit either Tyrran or RoL. On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote: When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could. On January 13 2012 09:01 Spaackle wrote: @BH I partially used my RoL vote to get him to come out in the open. I think he is a good lynch, and I did when I voted him, but risk was still better to me.
With risk's lynch, why is he more happy with lynching risk?
Lastly, please take a look that happily sheeped their way in to voting risk( without giving a reason)
Anyway, this sum's my thought's right now.
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I'm going to sleep now. Cya in the morning
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@LB I'm back and should I vote?
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Okay, i'll wait for more people to start posting. Also, can you link me to cases against HoD?
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On January 14 2012 10:31 Grackaroni wrote: BL, why are you considering voting before even reading the cases?
"Hey everybody let's lynch HoD cmon"
On January 14 2012 08:12 layabout wrote:Current Vote Count: + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote: Vote count for the Day 3 Lynch.
With 13 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch.
Current votes:
HarbingerOfDoom (3): Tyrran, syllogism, layabout
RebirthOfLeGenD (2): Grackaroni, Zephirdd, Blazinghand, -Zephirdd
Spaackle (1): Zephirdd
Bluelightz (1): Jackal58
Blazinghand (1): RebirthOfLeGenD
The Day 3 deadline is at January 15 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 1 day, 1:48:45 from now.) Vote HarbingerOfDoom
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