I haven't been pushing the meta case against Erandorr, but he really wouldn't play like this as town. He even signed up for TL mafia L so he isn't burned out or busy; he just loathes playing as scum. In election mafia he hydraed with curu and refused to post at all due to rolling scum. Yesterday he lied about being sleepy, while I know he had been and still was playing dota 2 and kept playing for at least an hour after making the post (I went to sleep by that point). Such pure meta cases are annoying to push and I thought the case against risk was better in terms of it actually constituting as "playing mafia". But erandorr really can't be town

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Finland5948 Posts

January 07 2012 23:53 GMT

#747

Palmar why won't you switch? Will you switch if we can get enough?

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Finland5948 Posts

January 07 2012 23:58 GMT

#750

No I still think risk is scum, but I'm pretty much certain that erandorr is.

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 00:05 GMT

#755

First of all RoL you aren't voting for anyone right now, read the instructions for voting. Pm the bot:

to: zbot
subject: purgatory
body: ##Vote Erandorr

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 00:08 GMT

#758

On January 08 2012 09:06 layabout wrote:
last minute non-justified swapping?
fuck you guys

He is going to flip scum, don't worry

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 00:18 GMT

#764

risk what happened to your bus? Were you going out and decided not to or what?

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 00:28 GMT

#772

On January 08 2012 09:22 layabout wrote:

Show nested quote +

some concerns:
-risk nuke had 9 votes and bluelighz game him a time limit before he would hammer, i don't see what risk.nuke has done to justify a switch.
-I am okay with an Erandorr lynch but i am more confident in an risk.nuke lynch
-TL Mafia XLVIIIn this game Erandorr was scum and he ran for major and was active towards the end of day1 so i am not % sure of meta, i will check more games though.
-This situation is becoming chaotic and i don't think that that is beneficial to town.
-Scum could very easily control who gets lynched

We can switch back, I do agree that last minute switches are awful. I may be too easily fooled by the fact risk is willing to stay here and defend, despite the fact he isn't saying anything useful at all.

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 00:29 GMT

#774

RoL was just here and he indicated willingness to vote for erandorr earlier but he never PMed the bot and disappeared again

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 00:36 GMT

#791

I'm going to switch back to risk in ~10 minutes. I don't trust Palmar to do anything to help us and RoL appears to have disappeared.

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 00:45 GMT

#816

Well I'm retiring

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 00:48 GMT

#821

Jackal were you just f5ing the thread until you realized people would be willing to lynch erandorr over Risk

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 10:45 GMT

#857

I was so convinced that they would both flip scum, just different teams, that I thought the switch would produce free information. It did produce information, but unfortunately it was hardly free; I think Jackal looks quite suspicious as he suddenly shows up, hasn't even mentioned erandorr until then and only mentioned risk in passing and is immediately willing to switch to erandorr. If risk flips scum, Jackal is relatively likely to be his team mate.

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 11:31 GMT

#859

Harbingerofdoom's refusal to vote for Risk seems quite bad as well. He is still ignoring risk and not really explaining why.

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 11:57 GMT

#860

So I guess Palmar you are on the other scum team after all? Would explain why you weren't really that keen on Erandorr lynch; you knew he wasn't on your team and that one of the two was thus likely town. Could have at least warned me

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 12:46 GMT

#862

Hello Dirkzor. Are you scum or just stupid? Do you realize that I'm the one who started the risk wagon and pretty much the reason he was sitting at 9 votes (-1 hammer) for something like several hours? Do you think my plan was to bus my team mate for the whole day, wait until he was almost lynched and then do a last minute switch to someone else? Remember, anyone could have hammered him at any point before the switch. How likely do you think it is for scum to bus a team mate in a setup like this? What was the motivation?

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Finland5948 Posts

January 08 2012 12:53 GMT

#865

I explained it here

Erandorr lied and his play looked exactly like his recent scum play. Unfortunately he apparently had some real life issues/was busy/lazy, so the lesson here is never to go for pure meta when there is a very good alternative that is based on something more substantial