Palmar: do you think wishy washyness is a good scum tell in a setup with two scum teams? Did you read his student mafia filter where he randomly calls people scum, as scum?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 05 2012 16:56 GMT

#322

I would like to hear some thoughts on Grackaroni/tyrran/refallen, all of which I would be interested in lynching today.

All have been around, posted nothing useful and I've small issues with the way they've approached the game so far. Grackaroni for going after bluelightz in a very questionable manner, Refallen for being supposedly very excited about the game and then disappearing (I also don't particularly like this post overall) and Tyrran for not reading in his haste to attempt to seem like he is contributing. Tyrran you have shown that you can be useful, do you intend to post anything at all today?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 05 2012 17:57 GMT

#333

Hi refallen when were you suspicious of palmar and why didn't you bother expressing your suspicion

Is this some kind of metagame thing again? Dosen't Palmar always troll around in day 1? I remember that in TLXLVIII.

Non committal

For now, I don't have a lynch target.

I want Palmar to start posting.

Non comittal

Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self.

Non committal

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 05 2012 19:07 GMT

#351

Risk.nuke that looks like a post you have been preparing for a while and it's just a recap of things that have already been said. Where is the active and opinionated and aggressive risk.nuke of Election mafia who posted a lot and certainly didn't just repeat what others had said, right or wrong?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 05 2012 19:29 GMT

#361

On January 06 2012 04:18 risk.nuke wrote:
syllo, I started the post about 2 hours ago. I share what I want to share when I want to share it. Don't try and control me and please don't try to meta me. All my games I have a different style because I play varying of my mood.

Even disregarding meta, you've been reading the thread for 24 hours and then come up with a carefully crafted post containing nothing original; it's literally just a recap of everything that has been said about these people. EVERYTHING. This is typical mafia behaviour because they've a harder time producing original content due to knowing that people are innocent. Your post does nothing to further town's goals and you don't commit to lynching any of them. Granted in a two scum team setup it's a bit easier but scum are still much more likely to play like that. The post also appears to lack the common anxious behaviour townies exhibit because they have to produce a good lynch out of nothing.

Further, I think the meta argument is quite strong, judging by your post history.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 05 2012 19:56 GMT

#364

So in conclusion

##vote risk.nuke

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 05 2012 20:08 GMT

#367

I think you are mafia. Me pushing you ruins nothing even if you are somehow town and your post was some sort of elaborate scheme, which is quite ridiculous given that you were just repeating what other people have said.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 05 2012 21:12 GMT

#372

On January 06 2012 05:24 risk.nuke wrote:
I wasn't anxious because I didn't think you were seriously suspecting me.

Anxious about finding scum, a reference to your big post rather than your reaction to my accusation

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 05 2012 23:24 GMT

#382

Palmar can you help me understand why you don't care about this game at all, thanks

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 00:17 GMT

#394

Yes playing dota 2 all day is quite exhausting

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 10:37 GMT

#442

What do you think about risk.nuke

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 10:43 GMT

#444

Really? Filter him in election, then filter him here and look at his one big post and his first two replies to me

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 10:53 GMT

#447

Uh you could just read what I said about him earlier. Are you reading the thread? Were you really busy yesterday? Anyway, look how little he has posted and how different his play is so far from his election mafia's wacky aggressive style. His only case post is a compendium of things already said by others.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=76576

Does this response feel genuine to you? Could he possibly believe what he is saying

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13007613

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 10:55 GMT

#448

It's quite possible that wiggles is scum, but considering you don't particularly appear to care about the game, I'm hardly sold based on your "wiggles possibly can't be this bad!" case. Do you think I'm town? Why don't you care about who I think is scum?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 11:18 GMT

#452

Some of the things he says are definitely wrong, but issue with assuming that immediately makes him scum is that he has done that to me before when he was town and I was town (lotr). Also in a setup with two scum teams I'm not entirely convinced by the need for him as scum to force a case like that. Certainly getting rid of you, regardless of your alignment, would be beneficial for him if he is scum, but still I'm not convinced yet.

Also risk.nuke disappeared again after he stopped responding to me. Does he even strike you as the type of poster who spends two hours (on and off) on a single post that basically just repeats things others have said? I'm a bit troubled by the fact you don't appear to see how much his play differs from his play in election mafia. Who is more likely in your experience to say "don't try to meta me": scum or town?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 11:23 GMT

#453

On January 06 2012 20:11 Cwave wrote:

Show nested quote +

Why do you care what he thinks about your scumreads?
Since you haven't provided any or anything close to it, you make it hard for someone to care for something that isn't there (yet).
Just " Im gonna lynch Wiggles if he doesnt post more" and "Im gonna lynch Errandor if he doesnt post more".

However, I still do care about who you think is scum. Who do you think is scum?

Please read your filter, then read mine and come back to explain why you made that claim without first reading my filter and why you haven't done anything useful so far. Palmar is one of the people in this game I respect and know very well and him not paying close attention to my reads is suspicious, especially when I think he has to realize by now I'm very likely town (to him, not to people like you of course).

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 11:34 GMT

#455

I haven't said that I think you are town and thus having this discussion is helpful not only because I think risk.nuke should be lynched. What do you think about Erandorr? I know for a fact that he was playing dota 2 all day yesterday, even after he said he was too tired to post and wanted to sleep

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 13:22 GMT

#469

layabout: It doesn't take much effort or time to read a through few filters to get the general idea what someone's town play looks like. In fact, you are expected to do that in every game when pushing to lynch someone.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 06 2012 13:32 GMT

#470

And just like with everything else, you trust people who you think have made themselves look towny and you consider good players. Quoting a person with one post to support your anti-meta stance doesn't make you look particularly good, though I don't otherwise have an issue with your play so far