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Blazinghand
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On January 04 2012 18:18 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 17:56 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 04 2012 17:46 Dirkzor wrote:
Game on!
This setup scares the living shit out of me. So many nuances to keep track of. Anyway...
I agree that Angels appear to be strongest in the beginning with 1/2 KP. But what haven't been mentioned is that Angels can kill the demon for us aswell. If we lynch Angel of Death and Angelic Acolyte we will have to lynch/Demon hunter the Demons. Since I don't know the Demon hunter or how good that person is, he could just aswell kill 3 town people the first 3 nights which of course would not be very favourable for us. It basicly means we would need to do more correct lynches while having a good demon hunter that don't fuck us over with continously town kills.
Demons also have the Twist ability which basicly makes one (1) of their members immune to night actions, rendering the demon hunter to be less useful.
What i wanted to point out that even if we get 3 correct Angel lynches (unlikely) the first 3 nights. The demons are equally capable to fuck us over. That is why I think that killing any angel or demon is good. Not one over the other. If we knew which angel or demon, it would be a different matter. Demon Hunter: Each night, you may target a player other than yourself to attack. Twister: Any attempts to illuminate, slay, stalk, or observe that player will fail. Doesn't make any mention of attack (nor of sense). Demon hunter should be good to go on any twisted demons. Oh right. My bad. Thx for clearing that up. Oh and by the way. Your whole discussion about sharing angel/demon strat or not is stupid. What Refallen wrote wasn't a strat it was obvious and its okay to post that. I think what HOD means is an elaborate strat that can't be countered by town - ei. a strat that will be advanced and give angels/demons a chance to win because town has no counter.
On January 04 2012 16:02 Blazinghand wrote:
No. This is a terrible idea. If there are strategies for angels and demons that are obvious (like demons using corrupted votes to go after blues or masking an important death) it's so, SO important that you share it so we can figure out how to deal with it. If it can help, share it with the town. Honestly, they already have 3 people per team and already know whatever it is you're gonna share.
The idea that we should try to avoid sharing information is exactly the kind of scummy idea that sinks towns. Don't be that guy.
If your interpretation of HofD is correct, then HofD and I were never in disagreement.
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Blazinghand
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So yeah i guess the summary here is if HofD arbitrarily determines your post is a "Filler" or "obvious" post it's chill but otherwise you're a bad person ok guys
on that completely unbiased note i'm off to bed
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 04 2012 19:52 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, due to the secret vote, vote count analysis isn't available, which makes me feel somewhat at a loss. I think we'll have to hold people accountable to what they say, since we can't hold them accountable to how they vote.
Where does it say that it is hidden? The only thing you can't see is when people voted. Zbot seems to post who voted who. If they are in order based on time I don't know, but you should be able to see who voted who. Please correct me if I'm wrong here...
I can't immediately tell, but I know an easy way to find out--
##Vote Dirkzor
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
EBWOP: In case it's not clear I've sent a PM to zbot with "##Vote Dirkzor" in it. We'll see when Zbot next updates the post how it looks.
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Blazinghand
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The latter. Once I figured out how Zbot works, I'm going to wait until 24 hours after the Day 1 post, then i'm gonna go after someone who hasn't posted yet.
People on my "post or die" list currently:
Erandorr
Layabout
Mr. Wiggles
risk.nuke
These four players have made no posts since the game began.
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Blazinghand
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On January 05 2012 02:21 Blazinghand wrote:
The latter. Once I figured out how Zbot works, I'm going to wait until 24 hours after the Day 1 post, then i'm gonna go after someone who hasn't posted yet.
People on my "post or die" list currently:
Erandorr
Layabout
Mr. Wiggles
risk.nuke
These four players have made no posts since the game began.
Day 1 began on 1500 KST January 4.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=6#112
It's currently 0223 KST Janurary 5-- so it's entirely reasonable that these guys were asleep, at work, etc. The game's only been going for about 10 hours.
so far.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 05 2012 02:41 layabout wrote:
The benefits are situational but the cons for me are too strong to justify public claims, at least until the acolyte dies.
I agree with this statement. Although this won't be relevant until Day 3 (after Night 2, the first even-numbered night) it's a good thing to know.
On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote:
Vote count for the Day 1 Lynch.
With 18 alive, 10 votes are required to lynch.
Current votes:
Dirkzor (1): Blazinghand
The Day 1 deadline is at January 08 2012 10:00. (That's approximately 3 days, 7:15:47 from now.)
OK guys! so the vote totally isn't secret :D
Glad we cleared that up.
For now I'm going to park my vote on a lurker.
##Vote: Erandorr
Something I found out when casting your vote: Make sure you remember to put "purgatory" in your PM title..
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Blazinghand
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Don't go lynching anyone but Bluelightz if you think he's a legit valid scum. It doesn't matter whether he's an angel or a demon or what. In fact, given that he was staggeringly bad in Student mafia (though he WAS a replacement) it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless.
I think we should lynch whoever is the scummiest. If Bluelightz feels scummy to you, put together a case on him and cast your vote like a man. If you think he's probably scummy, and that he'll contribute poorly (as he did in Student mafia), put your money where your mouth is. I can respect that.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
So, you have a better target in mind? I'd rather lynch someone who I have a feeling is going to be useless than someone random. There's no doubt that someone who might be useless is an acceptable demon hunter target, but I don't see why we couldn't just lynch him and let the demon hunter do his own thang, you know? Also, If he somehow IS scum they could totally bail him out with some purgatorying from the demon hunter, but nothing stops the lynch.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Yeah so really, if we want a killing of Bluelightz to be effective, it should be done via lynch rather than DemonHunting. He'll only die via Demonhunting if he's a townsperson ._. though it's possible the Demons will just choose not to bail him out as a demon, or will choose to bail him out as a townsperson, WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM etc.
I think our best opportunity for directing the Demon Hunter, if any, would be to present him with a list of targets he should be shooting at, rather than a singular target, or else we run into the purgatory problem.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 05 2012 03:55 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
On Bluelightz:
I will go check out his filter in the newbie game to see what all the fuss is about.
You're in for quite the ride.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 05 2012 03:58 risk.nuke wrote:
Sup, I'll read the thread soon, I'll post when I have something to say.
Welcome aboard!
Revised "post or die" list:
Erandorr
Layabout
Mr. Wiggles
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Alright, well, Keeping that "post or die" list in mind, I decided to take a look at BL (BlueLightz) filter.
Here's his posts so far, this game:
On January 04 2012 15:51 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, helo guys anyway what do you think on how should we approach the day 1 lynch?
Useless post
On January 04 2012 16:20 Bluelightz wrote:
I think that the channeler should use his/her ability as a medic power as well as being a roleblock power
Only a useful post compared to the previous post
On January 04 2012 18:37 Bluelightz wrote:
I wont be available till around [unparsable timestamp format]
This post actually says nothing
On January 04 2012 18:38 Bluelightz wrote:
EBWOP: I wont be available till around 1:00 AM GMT+7
finally succeed at saying "brb"
On January 04 2012 18:46 Bluelightz wrote:
But but but I can't acces internet on a plane!
"brb"
On January 04 2012 18:49 Bluelightz wrote:
Sorry then XD
"brb"
Bluelightz has been remarkably, profoundly unuseful this game, without even making a nominal attempt to be useful during the 3 hours he was active. Maybe he's just bad, or just didn't have time. Maybe he'll come back in a few hours and stun us with his astounding post quality.
Or maybe he's anti-town, either by being scum or by being worthless.
I think he's anti-town. His posts speak for themselves-- they are his verdict and his damnation. Let's kill him.
##vote Bluelightz
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Oh I don't care about Bluelightz' Meta. I just think his filter is terrible atm so I'm making a case against him. I think currently this makes a fair amount of sense. I am admittedly worried about the three players who haven't posted, though.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 05 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote:
If bluelightz doesn't contribute by the end of the day we can re-evaluate.
I assume you mean an IRL day or something here right? We're not made out of time. Bluelightz had 3 hours, and he spent them making one-liners and posts that were literally meaningless. I consider this play to be anti-town. I don't care who does it-- you could have done it, and it would be anti-town. Then he bails. Given that he knew he had to bail in a few hours, he could have made a post with, well, content.
But he didn't.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 05 2012 04:27 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 04:19 Blazinghand wrote:On January 05 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote:
If bluelightz doesn't contribute by the end of the day we can re-evaluate. I assume you mean an IRL day or something here right? We're not made out of time. Bluelightz had 3 hours, and he spent them making one-liners and posts that were literally meaningless. I consider this play to be anti-town. I don't care who does it-- you could have done it, and it would be anti-town. Then he bails. Given that he knew he had to bail in a few hours, he could have made a post with, well, content. But he didn't. No, I meant the first in-game day, that is to say up to 72 hours. Get used to certain players not immediately establishing their innocence, because that is going to be the norm. Whether bluelightz is going to be one of them remains to be seen, but there are "veterans" who to some extent do it every game. The fact that it's anti-town does not mean the optimal play is to lynch them every game for it. If you can pressure them to contribute, that's fine.
The #1 goal of a town player should be to establish their innocence. Look, regardless of whether "oh bluelightz isn't establishing his innocence" or whatever, just look at that filter. That is an unhelpful dude. I don't have a solid scumread atm, but we've got 3 lurkers and one guy who's posted like 6 one-liners and said nothing. This is fine because probably the lurkers are asleep-- but ideally we have a sweet day1 discussion and get some juices flowing.
I will not stand for an inactive crappy town.
I will NOT get used to players not establishing their innocence.
I will hunt down and kill all the scum whether in doing so I earn YOUR approval or not.
On January 05 2012 04:27 syllogism wrote:Also is Mr. Wiggles actually playing? I see he edited his only post to say "can't", but he is still on the player list.
On December 28 2011 15:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Can't 
Is Mr. Wiggles playing?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 05 2012 04:28 layabout wrote:Bluelightz i think...: he lacks confidence in his own abilities that he may try to lurk that he has not tried to help that what he has written makes sense from a "town that has to get on a plane and will have limited internet acess" perspective he has provided us with very little that can be analysed effectively i do not think that there you can make all of those inferences + Show Spoiler +"profoundly unuseful" and "anti town" and say that they are his verdict and his damnation. BH at this point in time nearly any case you can come up with needs to forced and isn't necessarily helpful You seem to like throwing your vote around but do you really think that at the current moment in time everyone should vote for bluelightz to kill him, possibly end the day and let night actions happen? if i were the type i might accuse you of "trying to gain town cred by forcing a case based off of thin air." i will not do that. 
If anything, I'm burning bridges. The fact of the matter is, I'm not trying to get town cred by forcing a case off thin air, because doing so is how you lose town cred.
My case is solid as hell. The guy was here for 3 hours and made 6 posts saying nothing.
This is unacceptable and I will not stand for it.
On January 05 2012 04:31 layabout wrote:
What i think we should do today:
I think that we should agree within the next few hours to commit to lynching a lurker day 1.
If people do not post day 1, or try to hide, or like make 1 post then dip up out of here, of course we will lynch them. However, it's possible some of the players who haven't posted are still asleep, and it seems Mr. Wiggles may not be playing at all.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Look if Bluelightz gets off his plane, realizes he's being a tool, and decides to seriously help out, I won't have as much of a case on him any more because he'll be being, well, helpful.
It's that simple. It won't be hard for him if he's being town.
step 1) be helpful
step 2) blazinghand is no longer attacking you
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
So HoD, you rather reasonably want to give BL an additional chance to post, and rather reasonably don't want to always be lynching lurkers. What are your thoughts for a d1 lynch then, if it's not gonna be "guy who's posting terribly"? Or are we still acquiring reads or what
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