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SamuelLJackson
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SamuelLJackson
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If you are watching an obs QT you probably shouldn't be replacing in. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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I will also echo pre-game Palmar that the burden is on everyone to make sensible and logical posts. The player list for this game was set up to allow the best possible players to play in this game so let's not see a repeat of the disaster that was the Personality Mafia Town. There's a Bible passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17: "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and fuuuuuuuurious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you." There will be no excuses for shit posting or lack of effort this game. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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On December 20 2011 14:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I tried to get a straight answer from Ace about this in the game I played with him, but he was...not willing to play with me. What good does an RNG vote do for town? Honestly, if we all decide that's how we start off, no one is going to be dumb enough to try and derail the lynch if it happens to land on scum, so really, what information can possibly be gained? I'm serious, this has been bugging me ever since that game because he flipped town and I don't understand the motivation. It's essentially the same start to the game as the random voting stage that takes place on mafiascum (you play there don't you?). It's something to kick the game off and generate discussion. bum your first post is beyond bad. You're deciding that we should be the subject of any impasse in votes with justification which is the exact opposite of RNG (while still trying to disguise it as RNG). I hope you put more thought and logic into your next posts. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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How would you feel about lynching the Traitor day 1? | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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I know that he's Chezinu but I think he actually is the Traitor. Kind of like how he basically claimed SK day 1 in LSB's Merc Mini Mafia. Either way the onus is on him to either post real content or face the lynch. I'm not too familiar with bum's play since every game I've been in with him we've been scum together so I ignore his posts but does he have a penchant for useless posting? I vaguely remember him getting lynched as Town in Personality for posting like crap. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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SamuelLJackson
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Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well. The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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/Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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/sandroba | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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bum if I have to point out to you where Chezinu tried to claim Traitor then you're worse at reading than I can reasonably comprehend. Think about how the reaction to Chezinu's claim so far has been - "oh that's just Chezinu being Chezinu." So if he's the Traitor then great, Mafia has found him already and Town will completely ignore him. sandroba tells me he's "too much fun" and we should keep him around unless he keeps trolling but consider that the OP states Traitor gets added to Mafia's numbers when they are found; if the KP formula is #/2 that means adding the Traitor day 1 gives you an extra KP. It's a play that makes complete sense for him as the actual Traitor and none as Town. /Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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/Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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The purpose of Ver's game is for people to take responsibility and play to their best, not an excuse for you to post like a retard. All it takes is a few people to start the herp train (see: Personality Mafia Kurumi) and completely destroy Town atmosphere. /Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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The entire flavour of the game is for people to play to their best. The player list was tailored in the interest of promoting strong play, we shouldn't have to deal with people posting things that are obviously detrimental to Town but still entertain the worry that they are Town. I can't be the only one to have gone through the frustrations of having a Town where you can't tell people trolling/being insanely dense from Mafia. It shouldn't be an issue in this game. Keeping the quality of posts high places pressure on Mafia since they have to elevate their play or face exposure. Inserting a bit of personality or fun into your posts is hardly detrimental as long as you put actual content and effort into them. Aside from Chezinu I have the most issue with bum's posts so far. He's spent the game miring his posts in confusion with the excuse that he's trying to draw Mafia actions or trigger blue roles which shouldn't be the primary concern of any Townie. His accusation is paper-thin and focuses entirely around one question that I asked with the reasoning that forcing a response out of someone is somehow scummy. He accuses me of not following up on my question when I made it very clear that I thought Chezinu's posts were a Traitor claim. The rest of the "case" is two big paragraphs talking about L then he concludes it with a vote on me. /Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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On December 20 2011 15:05 Chezinu wrote: I love you bumatlarge...May I join your family? You seem to know your way around this game as if you know what is going on.. Well, you have the men in black at your service. All you have to do is name him. ![[image loading]](http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5857/hahamfp.png) There is no argument that this post had any other purpose than to claim Traitor. That wasn't what I wanted to know, I wanted to know why Chezinu was claiming Traitor. At the time I didn't want to outright call it out in thread in case he had some hidden purpose but clearly he didn't. GMarshal for all your talk on working on analysis you sure haven't contributed any opinions besides your "irrational hatred." /Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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/Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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What's your rationale for voting me over Chezinu? Because he's attempted to contribute? His contributions so far include nonsensically following bum. He hasn't answered anyone's questions in any manner that makes sense. Are you trying to argue that that post wasn't claiming Traitor? That was the only purpose for that post. What do you think his motivations were for that post since you don't seem to believe he was claiming Traitor? The post was so obviously doing it that everyone would have been able to see it without me pointing it out. But everyone is just dismissing it as "Chezinu being Chezinu" which is perfect for if he actually is the Traitor. As Town there is no motivation to do what he did, when asked about it he offered absolutely nothing that made sense. /Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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Back to VE's post you ridiculed me for asking Chezinu if he "wants to lynch scum," saying I am trying to appear to contribute. Then you turn around and ask Chezinu if he IS scum with even more useless questions. What's your purpose there? | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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##Vote LSB @Bum The whole talk about mechanics and triggers and w/e the fuck is giving me a headache. And like you said scum knows all roles so don't you agree that's the easiest topic ever for them to discuss without having to commit? I'm ok with it as an opening but now it's time to move on. If you have a role or not that doesn't mean shit. Nobody cares. If you are town use it wisely. @Chezinu I want to make you a deal. You split your posts in 1/2 content, 1/2 mental issues and I'll try to convince my other half to stop tunneling you for now. As much as I love your posts, curu has a point that you are currently being a hindrance, and if you are town you are setting up to be lynch bait later. Just mix up some clear content that everyone can discern and we can all be happy. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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SamuelLJackson
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LSB's posts so far seem very meek to me, always answering something or clarifying something. It really feels like he is actively avoiding pissing off people and he is making bullshit conclusions out of other players' posts. Doesn't feel like the confident townie LSB, it looks exactly the opposite. The points about his response regarding chezinu and the sk thing don't really tell me much though. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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@L I see you included us on your arbitrary "list" of I don't even know what (people who can read roles?) but I'm pretty sure neither me or curu has ever played with you before and seeing that you are gone for a long time you don't strike me as someone that reads recent games. Care to explain your reasoning to posting such list? You also jump to the conclusion that there must be 1-2 mafia in that arbitrary list of nothingness. Any particular explanation for that? @palmar/syllo I don't know if I'm just biased but I didn't like any of wiggles posts. What do you guys think of them? /sandroba | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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SamuelLJackson
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SamuelLJackson
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I disagree entirely with a Palmar lynch. He has not posted anything that I would not expect from him as Townie Palmar and his points have made sense. I understand where his point comes from about day 1 Mafia lynches as there were a series of games back around when I started where Town nailed scum day 1 of almost every single game (Palmar was in all of them as well). GM's play looks just like Some Mafia Game as scum where he made a terrible case day 1, neglected to respond to any of the criticisms of the case, promised activity constantly but never delivered. Jackal's posts are giving me the exact same careful scum feeling they did in that infamous annul Jack game. Jackal where are you? Wiggle's posts are extremely cautious and neutral, something that's notably absent from his town play. Looking at LotR (Town) he has a ton of posts boldly stating his opinions and reasoning. In this game he's constantly bringing stuff up and asking people "what do you think?" Brings up stuff but seems more curious about what other people think of it than what conclusions he draws from it. L besides Palmar do you have anyone else you suspicions of? /Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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SamuelLJackson
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Also you comment on LSB's lack of confidence as being suspicious then call me out for voting LSB for that exact reason. You are not making any sense from a townie perspective GM. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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On December 22 2011 07:37 wherebugsgo wrote: sandro was it you or curu who initially agreed with the LSB case I made? Can you explain your current thoughts on the game? What do you think of Palmar/L? RoL? Foolishness? It was me. I think I signed that post. I don't want palmar/L lynched. I don't like how foolishness is playing, but I've seen him play like this as town. Even in this roster he is likely to get shot if he is town night 1, because he usually engages turbo mode day2 onwards, so I don't agree with lynching him today either. Whoever is here day 2 should hold foolishness to a high standard day 2 though if he survives. RoL isn't doing shit and I wouldn't mind seeing him gone. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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SamuelLJackson
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SamuelLJackson
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SamuelLJackson
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Palmar seems okayish to me, the only thing that is bothering me a bit is that he is focusing too much on arguing with people for no real benefit. Right now I feel the best move is to go ahead and lynch LSB, because any quick bandwagons we can come up with this late have very little chance of actually hitting scum. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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I am a bit concerned about LSB's lack of any sort of comment or realistic effort to swing the lynch off him. If that sort of play came form someone like Palmar or syllogism it would be a sure scum sign since they are heavily involved as Town and much lazier/careless as Mafia, something I can definitely relate to but I don't know if LSB shares that sentiment. Realistically though I don't think there is another viable candidate at this point. As sandro said GM could probably throw something up quick to defend himself if he was Mafia or just sheeped one of the existing wagons harder. VE raises good points in GM's apparent confidence then turnaround thorough lack of when actually pressed to give real content. But I feel better about LSB than GM. /Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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Likewise LSB's claim makes no sense for scum either unless he has a night role that he want to use before death. That their role names are different should absolutely not be factored in as you can be sure Ver would have named identical roles different things especially after the debacle of the previous Incognito game where people were using role names and abilities to try to determine alignment. What they've both claimed is a role that is impossible to fulfil as scum. At this point I'd rather lynch Chezinu or Foolishness, both of whom have shown that despite prodding neither is posting with Town's interests at heart. Chezinu is being blatantly anti-Town with his posting still under the disguise of "Chezinu is Chezinu." 10 minutes to lynch, are any of you willing to consolidate on one or the other? | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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On December 22 2011 13:53 wherebugsgo wrote: did you forget that mafia are told about the blue roles? How can we be sure about the claims with that in mind? I agree that GM would probably not CC if he was scum. But, this is tricky because mafia know the blues. It has nothing to do with the roles. Do you understand what GM is claiming? It is not like DT or Medic, it is impossible for scum to fulfil the role he is claiming. Sure he can fake RB every night but unless there's more than one RBer that means scum can only really RB their kills (and if one is Medic saved they're screwed doing that) and when the RBer dies GM is screwed. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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It's past lynch deadline now, all we can do is wait for LSB's flip. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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We will be entering day 2 soon. Absolutely no more lazy half assed posting from anyone is acceptable. Im indicating RoL, BC, Foolishness, Chezinu, GM, kita. I have issues with bums posts as well which have been largely useless. Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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On December 23 2011 01:15 kitaman27 wrote: Post-lynch thoughts: Chezinu or Foolishness obviously wasn't going to get lynched, considering your post was only 10 minutes from the deadline, but what concerns me is that you just explained why you thought LSB's claim made no sense as scum, yet you didn't move your vote off him. Surely, a no-lynch would have been better, giving him an opportunity to shoot, if this was the way you guys felt, wouldn't it? GGQ also mentions how the case against LSB is thin and that he is not confident that he is scum, but he moves his vote to him anyways. RoL puts a placeholder on Chezinu, yet disappears for the remainder of the day. The last thing we need is another Team Melee game from him, so I hope to hear from him day two. There were also several other people who disappeared from the discussion, such as L and BC. I'd rather a lynch of him than a no lynch or we just have a repeat of day 1 with no lynch information. Of course I would've preferred Foolishness or Chezinu more but unfortunately by the time I got home it was too late to solidly put something together. I wasn't even expecting to be here for the lynch since the game had started at 11:30 EST and I wasn't expecting to be home until after that but the deadline was pushed back half an hour. Is Sheth still on your radar kita? What about GMarshal? /Curu | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vY8I5HvOvk8/ShxRsUL_fnI/AAAAAAAAGVs/IACJsJ9hltk/s400/deep-blue-sea1.jpg) Ver's a liar, this is what really happened. | ||
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