/confirm

I will also echo pre-game Palmar that the burden is on everyone to make sensible and logical posts. The player list for this game was set up to allow the best possible players to play in this game so let's not see a repeat of the disaster that was the Personality Mafia Town.

There's a Bible passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17:

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and fuuuuuuuurious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

There will be no excuses for shit posting or lack of effort this game.

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 05:17 GMT

#175

On December 20 2011 14:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
I tried to get a straight answer from Ace about this in the game I played with him, but he was...not willing to play with me. What good does an RNG vote do for town? Honestly, if we all decide that's how we start off, no one is going to be dumb enough to try and derail the lynch if it happens to land on scum, so really, what information can possibly be gained? I'm serious, this has been bugging me ever since that game because he flipped town and I don't understand the motivation.

It's essentially the same start to the game as the random voting stage that takes place on mafiascum (you play there don't you?). It's something to kick the game off and generate discussion.

bum your first post is beyond bad. You're deciding that we should be the subject of any impasse in votes with justification which is the exact opposite of RNG (while still trying to disguise it as RNG). I hope you put more thought and logic into your next posts.

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 06:31 GMT

#186

Chezinu I wanna ask you something.

How would you feel about lynching the Traitor day 1?

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 09:51 GMT

#200

I don't understand why Chezinu would come in and basically claim Traitor. The move makes no sense as a Townie gamble since you destroy your own credibility and put yourself at risk of being lynched or vigged.

I know that he's Chezinu but I think he actually is the Traitor. Kind of like how he basically claimed SK day 1 in LSB's Merc Mini Mafia. Either way the onus is on him to either post real content or face the lynch.

I'm not too familiar with bum's play since every game I've been in with him we've been scum together so I ignore his posts but does he have a penchant for useless posting? I vaguely remember him getting lynched as Town in Personality for posting like crap.

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 09:56 GMT

#204

Phishing for what? What possible use could you claiming Traitor do? You breadcrumbed everything that was in the OP that is already public knowledge. The only real use is to get Mafia to blow their guess but is that really worth the obvious detrimental state doing so would leave both the thread and yourself if you were Town?

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 10:04 GMT

#208

Yes it is.

Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.

The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game.

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 10:14 GMT

#210

All Curu. I guess we'll start signing posts.

/Curu

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 11:23 GMT

#214

Checking in. Going to sleep right now and will post after I wake up. Hopefully by then you one of you guys will have a brilliant idea and the discussion can move on to something productive. This is a good roster so no one is safe from day 1 lynch due to being "good". Beware, I'm coming for you.
/sandroba

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 14:53 GMT

#235

GMarshal that's such stupid reasoning. If anything having two people post on the account just gives you twice as many chances to slipup and twice the scum tendencies. It's much more beneficial for Town since we can bounce ideas off each other and feed each other - as Mafia you already have that channel of communication with the rest of your teammates.

bum if I have to point out to you where Chezinu tried to claim Traitor then you're worse at reading than I can reasonably comprehend.

Think about how the reaction to Chezinu's claim so far has been - "oh that's just Chezinu being Chezinu." So if he's the Traitor then great, Mafia has found him already and Town will completely ignore him. sandroba tells me he's "too much fun" and we should keep him around unless he keeps trolling but consider that the OP states Traitor gets added to Mafia's numbers when they are found; if the KP formula is #/2 that means adding the Traitor day 1 gives you an extra KP. It's a play that makes complete sense for him as the actual Traitor and none as Town.

/Curu

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 14:57 GMT

#237

@bum I'm also baffled that you say "forcing a response" out of someone is scummy. Are you being dense on purpose?

/Curu

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 15:31 GMT

#240

Yes, and bum's point is that me trying to force a response out of you makes me scummy. There's one quote about me and saying I am scummy for "nearly forcing a response out of Chezinu" and then a whole bunch of crap about L with the conclusion of voting for me.

The purpose of Ver's game is for people to take responsibility and play to their best, not an excuse for you to post like a retard. All it takes is a few people to start the herp train (see: Personality Mafia Kurumi) and completely destroy Town atmosphere.

/Curu

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 15:55 GMT

#242

And yes I understand the whole "Chezinu is Chezinu" aspect but he is obviously capable of strong play. There are certain players where you see them do something completely worthless but you know they aren't capable of any more than that (not going to name any names); Chezinu is obviously not such a case. Yes he's entertaining and yes he's a bit crazy but there should be no reason that he isn't held to the standard of play that he is perfectly capable of.

The entire flavour of the game is for people to play to their best. The player list was tailored in the interest of promoting strong play, we shouldn't have to deal with people posting things that are obviously detrimental to Town but still entertain the worry that they are Town. I can't be the only one to have gone through the frustrations of having a Town where you can't tell people trolling/being insanely dense from Mafia. It shouldn't be an issue in this game.

Keeping the quality of posts high places pressure on Mafia since they have to elevate their play or face exposure. Inserting a bit of personality or fun into your posts is hardly detrimental as long as you put actual content and effort into them.

Aside from Chezinu I have the most issue with bum's posts so far. He's spent the game miring his posts in confusion with the excuse that he's trying to draw Mafia actions or trigger blue roles which shouldn't be the primary concern of any Townie. His accusation is paper-thin and focuses entirely around one question that I asked with the reasoning that forcing a response out of someone is somehow scummy. He accuses me of not following up on my question when I made it very clear that I thought Chezinu's posts were a Traitor claim. The rest of the "case" is two big paragraphs talking about L then he concludes it with a vote on me.

/Curu

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 18:57 GMT

#263

I dunno. I thought that maybe he could have some super secret hidden purpose for trying to claim Traitor like that.

On December 20 2011 15:05 Chezinu wrote:
I love you bumatlarge...May I join your family? You seem to know your way around this game as if you know what is going on.. Well, you have the men in black at your service. All you have to do is name him.

There is no argument that this post had any other purpose than to claim Traitor. That wasn't what I wanted to know, I wanted to know why Chezinu was claiming Traitor. At the time I didn't want to outright call it out in thread in case he had some hidden purpose but clearly he didn't.

GMarshal for all your talk on working on analysis you sure haven't contributed any opinions besides your "irrational hatred."

/Curu

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 19:12 GMT

#266

I just told you the purpose. Can you not read?

/Curu

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 19:23 GMT

#267

So VE let me ask you some things.

What's your rationale for voting me over Chezinu? Because he's attempted to contribute? His contributions so far include nonsensically following bum. He hasn't answered anyone's questions in any manner that makes sense.

Are you trying to argue that that post wasn't claiming Traitor? That was the only purpose for that post. What do you think his motivations were for that post since you don't seem to believe he was claiming Traitor?

The post was so obviously doing it that everyone would have been able to see it without me pointing it out. But everyone is just dismissing it as "Chezinu being Chezinu" which is perfect for if he actually is the Traitor. As Town there is no motivation to do what he did, when asked about it he offered absolutely nothing that made sense.

/Curu

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 20:20 GMT

#273

Is there anything wrong with my reasoning Wiggles? The fact is that a Town hydra is stronger than a scum hydra. I'm not saying it makes me more likely to be Town, I'm saying GMarshal's initial reasoning that hydras are inherently worse for Town is flawed. The fact that he tried to justify what he originally said was "irrational hatred" before the game with real reasoning once the game had started doesn't sit right with me.

Back to VE's post you ridiculed me for asking Chezinu if he "wants to lynch scum," saying I am trying to appear to contribute. Then you turn around and ask Chezinu if he IS scum with even more useless questions. What's your purpose there?

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 21:47 GMT

#286

I support wbg's case on LSB. Fucking best post of this thread and maybe the only one worth reading.
##Vote LSB

@Bum The whole talk about mechanics and triggers and w/e the fuck is giving me a headache. And like you said scum knows all roles so don't you agree that's the easiest topic ever for them to discuss without having to commit? I'm ok with it as an opening but now it's time to move on. If you have a role or not that doesn't mean shit. Nobody cares. If you are town use it wisely.

@Chezinu I want to make you a deal. You split your posts in 1/2 content, 1/2 mental issues and I'll try to convince my other half to stop tunneling you for now. As much as I love your posts, curu has a point that you are currently being a hindrance, and if you are town you are setting up to be lynch bait later. Just mix up some clear content that everyone can discern and we can all be happy.

SamuelLJackson

223 Posts

December 20 2011 21:53 GMT

#287

@GM I don't care if you hate hydras, that's no reason to vote. If you have issues take some tea before posting. I know you can net us scum as town and I expect you to try, not to give an easy excusable vote based on pre-game posts.

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