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On December 22 2011 09:51 flamewheel wrote:
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Why the fuck are people unvoting LSB? He got counterclaimed. He got counterclaimed by the second scummiest person of the day, which means that it is practically guaranteed that one of them is scum.
We kill LSB today, and if he flips town and if a scum is not shot tonight then GM dies tomorrow. Of course, if a scum dies then GM is spared.
If GM is town he's obviously shooting tonight. We give him the target, he claims it before the night is over. If he's wrong, he dies, if he's right, we get a scum.
This is a no lose situation, either way we get a scum, so lynch the fuck out of LSB.
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Oh I should mention, GM is clear if LSB is scum.
So we lynch LSB. If LSB is town GM is not clear and we make him shoot.
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On December 22 2011 12:12 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'd rather lynch GM and have LSB use his vig shot for us. I don't know who I'd want them to shoot anyway though.
open your eyes Sheth, they BOTH claimed the same thing. It doesn't matter who uses his vig shot.
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On December 22 2011 12:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'd say leave them both alive, and only let them shoot each other. Clearly the one who really was vigilante prevails. Or if there both vigilante they both die. o.o; This seems like a solid idea to me. And we could use our lynch today on someone else.
Yeah, and who would that someone else be?
The two cases today were GM and LSB. There were literally no others. If we choose now, five hours before lynch, to not lynch either of these guys, we end up with a no-lynch.
You can't pick someone else now, it's too late. All the Europeans are asleep. Kill LSB.
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On December 22 2011 12:14 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 12:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
Oh I should mention, GM is clear if LSB is scum.
So we lynch LSB. If LSB is town GM is not clear and we make him shoot. You are completely ignoring the possibility of a bus. Which is one of my favorite mafia plays. See Harry Potter Mafia. Just saying, your plan is flawed. Follow mine.
So you're claiming scum?
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On December 22 2011 12:14 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 12:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
Oh I should mention, GM is clear if LSB is scum.
So we lynch LSB. If LSB is town GM is not clear and we make him shoot. You are completely ignoring the possibility of a bus. Which is one of my favorite mafia plays. See Harry Potter Mafia. Just saying, your plan is flawed. Follow mine.
someone tell me what the fuck that is if that isn't claiming scum?
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On December 22 2011 12:18 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 12:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 22 2011 12:14 LSB wrote:On December 22 2011 12:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
Oh I should mention, GM is clear if LSB is scum.
So we lynch LSB. If LSB is town GM is not clear and we make him shoot. You are completely ignoring the possibility of a bus. Which is one of my favorite mafia plays. See Harry Potter Mafia. Just saying, your plan is flawed. Follow mine. someone tell me what the fuck that is if that isn't claiming scum? No I'm saying your idea is stupid because 1) Even if I flip it promotes no resolution on GM. 2) It completely ignores the fact that there might be two vigs 3) It automatically assumes that I am town The only good thing your idea does is waste a town KP. Which surprisingly is very favorable to the mafia.
that's not a bus!
a bus is one scum killing another scum, his teammate. So why are you telling me I'm ignoring the possibility of a bus?
The only way your wagon can be a bus is if you are scum and at least one or more of the people on your wagon is scum.
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On December 22 2011 12:22 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 12:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 22 2011 12:18 LSB wrote:On December 22 2011 12:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 22 2011 12:14 LSB wrote:On December 22 2011 12:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
Oh I should mention, GM is clear if LSB is scum.
So we lynch LSB. If LSB is town GM is not clear and we make him shoot. You are completely ignoring the possibility of a bus. Which is one of my favorite mafia plays. See Harry Potter Mafia. Just saying, your plan is flawed. Follow mine. someone tell me what the fuck that is if that isn't claiming scum? No I'm saying your idea is stupid because 1) Even if I flip it promotes no resolution on GM. 2) It completely ignores the fact that there might be two vigs 3) It automatically assumes that I am town The only good thing your idea does is waste a town KP. Which surprisingly is very favorable to the mafia. that's not a bus! a bus is one scum killing another scum, his teammate. So why are you telling me I'm ignoring the possibility of a bus? The only way your wagon can be a bus is if you are scum and at least one or more of the people on your wagon is scum. that still isn't answering any of the flaws. Basically what you are doing is sticking your thumbs in your ears and going "I can't hear you I can't hear you" I'll flip green, and you'll pass it off as "oh LSB played bad" rather than realizing how stupid of a play it is to let me die.
why do you keep avoiding the question?
You essentially just claimed scum by saying I'm ignoring the possibility of a bus. Fuck that, you're dying for sure now.
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On December 22 2011 12:28 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 12:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 22 2011 12:22 LSB wrote:On December 22 2011 12:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 22 2011 12:18 LSB wrote:On December 22 2011 12:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 22 2011 12:14 LSB wrote:On December 22 2011 12:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
Oh I should mention, GM is clear if LSB is scum.
So we lynch LSB. If LSB is town GM is not clear and we make him shoot. You are completely ignoring the possibility of a bus. Which is one of my favorite mafia plays. See Harry Potter Mafia. Just saying, your plan is flawed. Follow mine. someone tell me what the fuck that is if that isn't claiming scum? No I'm saying your idea is stupid because 1) Even if I flip it promotes no resolution on GM. 2) It completely ignores the fact that there might be two vigs 3) It automatically assumes that I am town The only good thing your idea does is waste a town KP. Which surprisingly is very favorable to the mafia. that's not a bus! a bus is one scum killing another scum, his teammate. So why are you telling me I'm ignoring the possibility of a bus? The only way your wagon can be a bus is if you are scum and at least one or more of the people on your wagon is scum. that still isn't answering any of the flaws. Basically what you are doing is sticking your thumbs in your ears and going "I can't hear you I can't hear you" I'll flip green, and you'll pass it off as "oh LSB played bad" rather than realizing how stupid of a play it is to let me die. why do you keep avoiding the question? You essentially just claimed scum by saying I'm ignoring the possibility of a bus. Fuck that, you're dying for sure now. Lol, just saying, didn't you say that I'm SK? Due to a quote endquote scumslip? All I am saying is that it doesn't matter how you put it, your idea is bad even if I am mafia. And of course, it is even worse if I'm town
no, I did not call you SK. Ever.
That was you claiming I called you SK. And Palmar being stubborn.
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On December 22 2011 12:51 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:09 LSB wrote:On December 21 2011 10:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 10:03 LSB wrote:
Sure it's the longest post in the thread, but I don't understand why a post saying "LSB said there is probably an SK, HE IS SK KILL HIM" is the best post in the thread.
Here, don't try to say this is a misunderstanding. Really? This is what I said? On December 21 2011 05:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. Logically, this sounds okay, particularly the second part about how if we know that Chezinu is traitor, we could lynch him. However, check out the highlighted thing he finds probable; SK. How do you know there is "probably" an SK LSB? Sure, I suppose if you assume this is a standardish game you might reasonably be able to get away with saying there's a cop, a doc, and a vig. But an SK? That's fishy as hell. Now it might be true that we probably can't do much with just the information that a traitor exists. But if we know an SK exists, that's huge. Indeed, this is the one role that you DEFINITELY would like to know merely about the existence of. There's a massive difference between knowing there's an SK and knowing there isn't. That knowledge is powerful in the hands of town because we know that we can potentially pit scum and SK against each other, or that we have an extra scum to look for, basically. You wouldn't suggest that an SK is probable unless you already had that information. I bolded the important part to you. Note, mafia is given only some/all of the blue roles. Reposting because it is relevant and I like to watch my post count go up
And this:
On December 21 2011 10:11 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:09 LSB wrote:On December 21 2011 10:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 10:03 LSB wrote:
Sure it's the longest post in the thread, but I don't understand why a post saying "LSB said there is probably an SK, HE IS SK KILL HIM" is the best post in the thread.
Here, don't try to say this is a misunderstanding. Really? This is what I said? On December 21 2011 05:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. Logically, this sounds okay, particularly the second part about how if we know that Chezinu is traitor, we could lynch him. However, check out the highlighted thing he finds probable; SK. How do you know there is "probably" an SK LSB? Sure, I suppose if you assume this is a standardish game you might reasonably be able to get away with saying there's a cop, a doc, and a vig. But an SK? That's fishy as hell. Now it might be true that we probably can't do much with just the information that a traitor exists. But if we know an SK exists, that's huge. Indeed, this is the one role that you DEFINITELY would like to know merely about the existence of. There's a massive difference between knowing there's an SK and knowing there isn't. That knowledge is powerful in the hands of town because we know that we can potentially pit scum and SK against each other, or that we have an extra scum to look for, basically. You wouldn't suggest that an SK is probable unless you already had that information. I bolded the important part to you. Note, mafia is given only some/all of the blue roles. Okay, that's a good point. However, let's clarify to make sure! Would the mafia team be notified if there is a serial killer or other third party present in the game?
On December 21 2011 13:08 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 10:09 LSB wrote:On December 21 2011 10:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 10:03 LSB wrote:
Sure it's the longest post in the thread, but I don't understand why a post saying "LSB said there is probably an SK, HE IS SK KILL HIM" is the best post in the thread.
Here, don't try to say this is a misunderstanding. Really? This is what I said? On December 21 2011 05:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. Logically, this sounds okay, particularly the second part about how if we know that Chezinu is traitor, we could lynch him. However, check out the highlighted thing he finds probable; SK. How do you know there is "probably" an SK LSB? Sure, I suppose if you assume this is a standardish game you might reasonably be able to get away with saying there's a cop, a doc, and a vig. But an SK? That's fishy as hell. Now it might be true that we probably can't do much with just the information that a traitor exists. But if we know an SK exists, that's huge. Indeed, this is the one role that you DEFINITELY would like to know merely about the existence of. There's a massive difference between knowing there's an SK and knowing there isn't. That knowledge is powerful in the hands of town because we know that we can potentially pit scum and SK against each other, or that we have an extra scum to look for, basically. You wouldn't suggest that an SK is probable unless you already had that information. I bolded the important part to you. Note, mafia is given only some/all of the blue roles. Okay, that's a good point. However, let's clarify to make sure! Would the mafia team be notified if there is a serial killer or other third party present in the game? No Comment.
Which proves what?
That's right, nothing.
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On December 22 2011 13:16 prplhz wrote:
It's not like this game at any point has been impressive in terms of activity.
wow, this is ironic coming from you.
What have you done all game? RNG VE?
You have no room to talk when it comes to activity.
Why are you assuming there are 3 scum, wiggles, when the total mafia number is listed at 4?
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On December 22 2011 13:46 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 13:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 22 2011 13:16 prplhz wrote:
It's not like this game at any point has been impressive in terms of activity. wow, this is ironic coming from you. What have you done all game? RNG VE? You have no room to talk when it comes to activity. Why are you assuming there are 3 scum, wiggles, when the total mafia number is listed at 4? Hey, I don't have to take that. I've been busy, but I've still been reasonably active, I've tried to contribute and I've tried to be transparent. There are a ton of people in this thread who have been less active than me, your case that no one bought into because it wasn't really that good doesn't make you the Emperor of Activityville. I'm up to date on the thread, I have a ton of notes and I have been around sporadically to comment on things, I didn't just post a single post and then left.
what are you talking about? LSB is getting lynched.
I have been by far the most vocal advocate of getting him lynched. You have done nothing and your vote has been wasted.
You have a ton of notes? Really? Mind sharing some of them with us?
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On December 22 2011 13:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I'm inclined to believe GM's claim. He has no reason to counterclaim at this point if he is scum, there's no real gain to it for scum to fake that.
Likewise LSB's claim makes no sense for scum either unless he has a night role that he want to use before death. That their role names are different should absolutely not be factored in as you can be sure Ver would have named identical roles different things especially after the debacle of the previous Incognito game where people were using role names and abilities to try to determine alignment.
What they've both claimed is a role that is impossible to fulfil as scum.
At this point I'd rather lynch Chezinu or Foolishness, both of whom have shown that despite prodding neither is posting with Town's interests at heart. Chezinu is being blatantly anti-Town with his posting still under the disguise of "Chezinu is Chezinu."
10 minutes to lynch, are any of you willing to consolidate on one or the other?
did you forget that mafia are told about the blue roles?
How can we be sure about the claims with that in mind? I agree that GM would probably not CC if he was scum. But, this is tricky because mafia know the blues.
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well GM will shoot if he's town. Scum will die, or GM will die. It's that simple.
we should choose who GM should shoot.
Sandro what do you think? Who should be shot?
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On December 22 2011 15:16 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 15:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
well GM will shoot if he's town. Scum will die, or GM will die. It's that simple.
we should choose who GM should shoot.
Sandro what do you think? Who should be shot? No. Assume GM is town. Most likely he'll choose to shoot tonight. If we pick for him (even give him an approved list) and give him a town to shoot, mafia will just let him shoot the town and kill himself. If we give him a mafia to shoot, mafia will just roleblock/kill him. If we let GM decide for himself, then mafia are left debating on how to handle the situation.
yeah, that sounds good. We should have him claim right before deadline so that we have a confirmed town if he dies.
Fair enough GM?
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I don't; you really think BC's scum play would be that bad?
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On December 23 2011 09:59 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't; you really think BC's scum play would be that bad?
I've seen BC do some dumb stuff as town, so ya it's in the realm of possibilities.
yeah, as town. I'm pretty sure one of the best scum players on this forum wouldn't fall to basic scumtells that prplhz pointed out.
one of prpl's points was that "maybe BC doesn't enjoy playing scum," which is just ludicrous, given his reputation.
What's bothering me more is not that prpl made the case, since prpl probably doesn't know BC's play that well, but the fact that Palmar said he agreed with everything he said. That's weird.
On December 23 2011 10:03 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't; you really think BC's scum play would be that bad?
No idea, but I doubt his town play would be this bad. If he is town he'll improve, if not then I don't see why I should think that he's town. Who are you looking into right now?
IMO from reputation and what I know from reading past games BC's town play is not nearly as good as his scum play (no offense, BC)
I'll be posting my thoughts closer to deadline. I doubt I'll be shot, but I don't want to influence scum hits by calling my suspicions now.
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On December 23 2011 10:36 Palmar wrote:
Why don't you let BC defend himself WBG? Do you have a problem with him being forced to do something this game?
nope, I just have a problem with bad arguments.
prplhz's arguments for BC being scum are bad, but his effort is town-like.
Your arguments have been bad and your effort is not town-like. You agree with bad arguments for BC being scum despite knowing BC better than prplhz. What gives?
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the fact that he's lurking, the fact that prplhz thinks BC wouldn't like being scum, the fact that the rest of prplhz's post is mostly just reiterating and paraphrasing what BC said?
Also, what does excess hostility have to do with someone's alignment?
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