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SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 20 2011 22:30 GMT
#292
Just to clarify, the part about wbg's case I find relevant is the bottom part and I'd like people to comment on it and LSB to respond to it.
LSB's posts so far seem very meek to me, always answering something or clarifying something. It really feels like he is actively avoiding pissing off people and he is making bullshit conclusions out of other players' posts. Doesn't feel like the confident townie LSB, it looks exactly the opposite. The points about his response regarding chezinu and the sk thing don't really tell me much though.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 21 2011 10:45 GMT
#371
I'm here now, I was playing spaz/out all day. And yes I voted LSB based on flimsy evidence to get discussion to move on from the useless shit it was before. I don't know much about L, I have no previous info on him, but I thought his first couple posts were okayish because they were really early on and there wasn't much to comment on at the time. His later posts though keep following the same pattern and that's more suspicious. BC's post really did rub me in the wrong way because he ressurected the shit topic that I wanted to move away from for no reason and didn't comment on anything else besides saying that chezinu/bum were really insightful (lol). GM I want to give a chance to step up, but I agree that he will make a fine day 1 lynch if he decides not to.

@L I see you included us on your arbitrary "list" of I don't even know what (people who can read roles?) but I'm pretty sure neither me or curu has ever played with you before and seeing that you are gone for a long time you don't strike me as someone that reads recent games. Care to explain your reasoning to posting such list? You also jump to the conclusion that there must be 1-2 mafia in that arbitrary list of nothingness. Any particular explanation for that?

@palmar/syllo I don't know if I'm just biased but I didn't like any of wiggles posts. What do you guys think of them?

/sandroba
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 21 2011 10:55 GMT
#376
@LSB The reason of no follow up on chezinu is because Curu wants him dead while I don't, because I enjoy reading his posts and would rather wait and see than preemptively lynch him. So I moved the discussion to another topic because I didn't think w/e we were discussing at that time was providing any useful info. I didn't catch him on skype yet so you are pretty much getting these different opinions from the same poster. I can understand being against lynching foolishness day1 and I think it makes sense even in this roster. Another thing I'd like to comment is that you mockingly say "I mean, he was the one who believed chezinu was claiming traitor". Tbh I don't really know if that was a traitor claim or not, but it at least looked like one. You seem confident that it isn't, any particular reason?
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 21 2011 10:57 GMT
#377
@chezinu pretty weird that you are throwing suspicion on me while following bum's orders and unvoting me at the same time. If you want to imply something, be a man and take some responsibility.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 21 2011 21:03 GMT
#444
I would still be fine with a LSB lynch who came out of the woodwork to defend himself, threw a weak vote on me, made a few weak statements about other players, then disappeared back into nothing once the pressure had eased up on him again. It looks entirely like lazy scum play, somewhat reading the thread and coming out once their name is called and presenting an alternative and a few other names just in case then going away again.

I disagree entirely with a Palmar lynch. He has not posted anything that I would not expect from him as Townie Palmar and his points have made sense. I understand where his point comes from about day 1 Mafia lynches as there were a series of games back around when I started where Town nailed scum day 1 of almost every single game (Palmar was in all of them as well).

GM's play looks just like Some Mafia Game as scum where he made a terrible case day 1, neglected to respond to any of the criticisms of the case, promised activity constantly but never delivered.

Jackal's posts are giving me the exact same careful scum feeling they did in that infamous annul Jack game. Jackal where are you?

Wiggle's posts are extremely cautious and neutral, something that's notably absent from his town play. Looking at LotR (Town) he has a ton of posts boldly stating his opinions and reasoning. In this game he's constantly bringing stuff up and asking people "what do you think?" Brings up stuff but seems more curious about what other people think of it than what conclusions he draws from it.

L besides Palmar do you have anyone else you suspicions of?

/Curu
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#475
@GMarshal I want to you to answer this honestly: How carefully are you reading the thread?
/sandroba
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 21 2011 22:40 GMT
#481
Ok, since you are here let's talk for a bit. First thing I find odd in your post is that you typed a paragraph about us being suspicious and on top of your previous hatred of hydras should be more than enough for you to want us getting lynched even more. Then you go and type one line "check kita's filter" and votes for him very late in the day without even pushing for him. Are you trying to look like you are contributing or do you actually want to accomplish something?? Why the hell would you not vote for me in that spot?
Also you comment on LSB's lack of confidence as being suspicious then call me out for voting LSB for that exact reason. You are not making any sense from a townie perspective GM.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 21 2011 22:46 GMT
#482
On December 22 2011 07:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 07:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:
@GMarshal I want to you to answer this honestly: How carefully are you reading the thread?
/sandroba


sandro was it you or curu who initially agreed with the LSB case I made?

Can you explain your current thoughts on the game? What do you think of Palmar/L? RoL? Foolishness?

It was me. I think I signed that post. I don't want palmar/L lynched. I don't like how foolishness is playing, but I've seen him play like this as town. Even in this roster he is likely to get shot if he is town night 1, because he usually engages turbo mode day2 onwards, so I don't agree with lynching him today either. Whoever is here day 2 should hold foolishness to a high standard day 2 though if he survives. RoL isn't doing shit and I wouldn't mind seeing him gone.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 21 2011 22:49 GMT
#483
@syllogism I don't think you are auto-town yet, you are doing it wrong. Come on man, help out more.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 21 2011 22:59 GMT
#492
Well despite the fact that it is clear that he is not reading the thread carefully, the fact that he pointed out several "scummy" things in our behavior coupled with his previous inclination to getting us killed for being hydra alone and NOT voting for us, but voting kita very late without even trying to get him lynch seems much more likely to be scum. I'm also getting cold feet on LSB since there is no one REALLY pushing him and no fail proof case and yet he is pilling up votes like they are nothing.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 21 2011 23:07 GMT
#497
I actually liked GGQ's first post a lot, but I agree that he needs to be more active. I'm against lynching him today.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 22 2011 00:16 GMT
#520
Really I feel like giving GM another day, he is acting too weak and I think as scum he would be able to get something together quickly just to get us off him. The feeling I get from his posting right now is that he can't really come up with something useful and doesn't want to give us something random that might hurt the town just to get off the hook.
Palmar seems okayish to me, the only thing that is bothering me a bit is that he is focusing too much on arguing with people for no real benefit.
Right now I feel the best move is to go ahead and lynch LSB, because any quick bandwagons we can come up with this late have very little chance of actually hitting scum.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 22 2011 00:39 GMT
#528
Oh sorry about the post from wrong account Ver. I forgot my phone is logged into Curu.

I am a bit concerned about LSB's lack of any sort of comment or realistic effort to swing the lynch off him. If that sort of play came form someone like Palmar or syllogism it would be a sure scum sign since they are heavily involved as Town and much lazier/careless as Mafia, something I can definitely relate to but I don't know if LSB shares that sentiment.

Realistically though I don't think there is another viable candidate at this point. As sandro said GM could probably throw something up quick to defend himself if he was Mafia or just sheeped one of the existing wagons harder. VE raises good points in GM's apparent confidence then turnaround thorough lack of when actually pressed to give real content. But I feel better about LSB than GM.

/Curu
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 22 2011 04:51 GMT
#666
I'm inclined to believe GM's claim. He has no reason to counterclaim at this point if he is scum, there's no real gain to it for scum to fake that.

Likewise LSB's claim makes no sense for scum either unless he has a night role that he want to use before death. That their role names are different should absolutely not be factored in as you can be sure Ver would have named identical roles different things especially after the debacle of the previous Incognito game where people were using role names and abilities to try to determine alignment.

What they've both claimed is a role that is impossible to fulfil as scum.

At this point I'd rather lynch Chezinu or Foolishness, both of whom have shown that despite prodding neither is posting with Town's interests at heart. Chezinu is being blatantly anti-Town with his posting still under the disguise of "Chezinu is Chezinu."

10 minutes to lynch, are any of you willing to consolidate on one or the other?
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 22 2011 04:55 GMT
#671
On December 22 2011 13:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 13:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I'm inclined to believe GM's claim. He has no reason to counterclaim at this point if he is scum, there's no real gain to it for scum to fake that.

Likewise LSB's claim makes no sense for scum either unless he has a night role that he want to use before death. That their role names are different should absolutely not be factored in as you can be sure Ver would have named identical roles different things especially after the debacle of the previous Incognito game where people were using role names and abilities to try to determine alignment.

What they've both claimed is a role that is impossible to fulfil as scum.

At this point I'd rather lynch Chezinu or Foolishness, both of whom have shown that despite prodding neither is posting with Town's interests at heart. Chezinu is being blatantly anti-Town with his posting still under the disguise of "Chezinu is Chezinu."

10 minutes to lynch, are any of you willing to consolidate on one or the other?


did you forget that mafia are told about the blue roles?

How can we be sure about the claims with that in mind? I agree that GM would probably not CC if he was scum. But, this is tricky because mafia know the blues.


It has nothing to do with the roles. Do you understand what GM is claiming? It is not like DT or Medic, it is impossible for scum to fulfil the role he is claiming. Sure he can fake RB every night but unless there's more than one RBer that means scum can only really RB their kills (and if one is Medic saved they're screwed doing that) and when the RBer dies GM is screwed.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 22 2011 05:04 GMT
#677
Yes but put yourself in scum shoes, what is there for GM to gain by claiming that role? He was not the one about to get lynched, LSB was.

It's past lynch deadline now, all we can do is wait for LSB's flip.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 22 2011 16:24 GMT
#697
Yeah GM was under suspicion but it was mostly for lack of activity or commitment. Unless he planned for the same effortless play the rest of the game he had plenty of time to shake off suspicion. I would say GM should shoot if he has a valid target in mind and if not hold off on it and start making real contributions to the game.

We will be entering day 2 soon. Absolutely no more lazy half assed posting from anyone is acceptable. Im indicating RoL, BC, Foolishness, Chezinu, GM, kita. I have issues with bums posts as well which have been largely useless.

Curu
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 22 2011 17:39 GMT
#699
On December 23 2011 01:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Post-lynch thoughts:

Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 13:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I'm inclined to believe GM's claim. He has no reason to counterclaim at this point if he is scum, there's no real gain to it for scum to fake that.

Likewise LSB's claim makes no sense for scum either unless he has a night role that he want to use before death. That their role names are different should absolutely not be factored in as you can be sure Ver would have named identical roles different things especially after the debacle of the previous Incognito game where people were using role names and abilities to try to determine alignment.

What they've both claimed is a role that is impossible to fulfil as scum.

At this point I'd rather lynch Chezinu or Foolishness, both of whom have shown that despite prodding neither is posting with Town's interests at heart. Chezinu is being blatantly anti-Town with his posting still under the disguise of "Chezinu is Chezinu."


Chezinu or Foolishness obviously wasn't going to get lynched, considering your post was only 10 minutes from the deadline, but what concerns me is that you just explained why you thought LSB's claim made no sense as scum, yet you didn't move your vote off him. Surely, a no-lynch would have been better, giving him an opportunity to shoot, if this was the way you guys felt, wouldn't it? GGQ also mentions how the case against LSB is thin and that he is not confident that he is scum, but he moves his vote to him anyways.

RoL puts a placeholder on Chezinu, yet disappears for the remainder of the day. The last thing we need is another Team Melee game from him, so I hope to hear from him day two. There were also several other people who disappeared from the discussion, such as L and BC.


I'd rather a lynch of him than a no lynch or we just have a repeat of day 1 with no lynch information. Of course I would've preferred Foolishness or Chezinu more but unfortunately by the time I got home it was too late to solidly put something together. I wasn't even expecting to be here for the lynch since the game had started at 11:30 EST and I wasn't expecting to be home until after that but the deadline was pushed back half an hour.

Is Sheth still on your radar kita? What about GMarshal?

/Curu
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
December 23 2011 05:36 GMT
#772
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Ver's a liar, this is what really happened.
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