EPTlynchproof for the day only + some sort of ability most likely, expecting Police Chief to show up sometime given the dead list from day 1 but what that would do not sure.
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lynchproof for the day only + some sort of ability most likely, expecting Police Chief to show up sometime given the dead list from day 1 but what that would do not sure. | ||
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On December 15 2011 12:42 nyczbrandon wrote: Does 2 shot-medic mean that player targeted can survive being shot twice, or does it mean he can protect 2 targets pretty sure it means can protect for two nights then runs out. On December 15 2011 12:27 GiygaS wrote: I guess this is really the only thing to decide, me or Arc as secretary/surgeon? To figure this out we should try and get an idea of what the fuck secretary will do... I'm guessing it's like Surgeon general but can assign a vig instead. Just my thoughts. I feel like maybe we shouldn't bother let it hopefully be more of a surprise for the mafia. they've surprised us enough as it is, but then having some suggestion as what to do with it wouldn't hurt whoever gets elected to that position would it? leaning towards the first one myself. so assuming radfield is to be believed about being roleblocked. the mafia has attorney used a roleblocker and 3 unknowns possibly one a vanilla goon. I really doubt more than 1 vanilla goon given the election. Given zero vanilla townies have flipped I'm doubting there are too many vanilla people, and don't damn well claim it if you are no point potentially painting bigger targets on other people. | ||
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On December 15 2011 12:46 Refallen wrote: kind of doubt either list will be particularly helpful.The idea that the list of those who had voted for ProfBA to be pardoner has to have some mafia in it is something I've seen more than one person espousing in the thread so I just want to say that I completely disagree with this line of thinking right now. Firstly, as ProfBA has pointed out, he was the natural choice of pardoner after palmar/syllo votes were nulled. And he was even there at that time to immediately step up and say "I am the natural choice," something that I am sure many people agreed with. There is simply no reason for mafia to need to vote ProfBA to get him to office (note that I'm not actually saying that ProfBA is scum/town or anything, but just illustrating the fact that the idea that scum votes must be on ProfBA is false, since even if he was scum, the mafia didn't need to vote for him because of the lack of another viable candidate as well as ProfBA actively going for the pardoner role.) So no, if anything I think the Radfield list is more likely to contain scum. What do you guys think? given most of the ProfBA list is dead or GiygaS. ProfessorBadass (7): GreYMisT, xsksc, prplhz, GiygaS, -GiygaS, GiygaS, Eiii, Refallen, Radfield xsksc, prplh, Eiii dead that leaves ProfessorBadass (3): GreYMisT, Refallen, Radfield can't say I would be surprised if one of them was scum but have don't have any arguments for people being scum period yet and the Radfield list is a good bit longer. Radfield (12): risk.nuke, zeks, Jitsu, Spaackle, Comprissent, Eiii, Nisani201, MarserBlood, cascades, DropBear, Cwave, Liquid`Sheth, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA, -Eiii Spaackle, lynched Radfield (11): risk.nuke, zeks, Jitsu, Comprissent, Nisani201, MarserBlood, cascades, DropBear, Cwave, Liquid`Sheth, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA, and the others. DEUS-ex-MAFIA (1): TotallyNotTwoPeople TotallyNotTwoPeople (1): evantrees prplhz (1): Arctocod Arctocod (2); MrZentor ,nyczbrandon (the annoying one to get) | ||
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On December 15 2011 14:02 bumatlarge wrote: Hmm ok, but I think we should be a bit aggressive with the second voting spot. It's a public rolecop check, so let's use it as such. It seems better to have someone we can deduce as mafia and not be able to lyncht the next day, rather then out a townie to prevent something that would never happen anyway. One of the two as surgeon general sounds superduper. To clarify they get pardoned the day they are elected we can still lynch them the following day. Election winners/runner ups will be pardoned during the corresponding day lynch. "I think we should be a bit aggressive with the second voting spot. It's a public rolecop check, so let's use it as such." I feel a tad doubtful on how good of a alignment check it would be but definitely seems worth considering. its an alignment check not role check we want though isn't it, don't see how it would work as a role check. | ||
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On December 15 2011 15:17 ProfessorBadass wrote: That's not how I interpreted it to work, it's a role with powers but you don't learn what it does until you get elected. Kita can you clarify? I think his idea is to give it to someone we're not sure of and see what they do with it roughly not certain though. | ||
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On December 15 2011 17:15 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Ok, so I am caught up on the thread, but haven't started filtering people yet, with one exception. I am obviously fine with Arctocod/Giygas being elected today. Arcto, which position would you prefer? I will be voting for you unless some switches to Giygas are needed if you'd prefer to be Secretary of Defense. If anyone has anything to ask of me, feel free, I will be going to bed shortly, but will answer them tomorrow. (I'll be more active tomorrow than I have been, I promise!) On risk.nuke, in my experience playing with him he has been rather aggressive, but he is definitely being harsher in his attacks than normal, and more personal as well. I had a town leaning on him earlier (up until around the time he started running for pardoner), but have moved back to a null read on him with his more recent attacks, as he seems to be using less logic and more ad hominem attacks. The saving grace for him in my eyes is his dislike of Greymist's play. I agree with him on this. I have played one other game with Greymist, and he was scum in that game. He seems to be playing quite similar to how he did in that game. In both games he asks a ton of questions to various people, only to land on whatever seems like a fairly easy lynch to pull off with minimal real analysis. He also tends to enjoy answering simple questions such as hours remaining in the day, votes required for lynch, etc. While certainly nice to do, it also gives you a way to seem like you are helping when you are in fact only providing information already available to everyone. His filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=120900¤tpage=All and from Steamship: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=120900¤tpage=All I'd be interested to hear input on this from anyone else with prior experience playing with him. Does he tend to do this as town as well? If he does, then obviously this case on him is significantly weakened, but regardless I have yet to see much out of him so far that makes me think he is likely to be town. @Evantrees: Why in the hell did you vote for me for pardoner yesterday? I wasn't running, and hadn't been active in the game. You said you RNG'ed the 3 remaining hydra players, but I am confused as to why you did that. One hydra has openly admitted to not having seen or heard anything from the second player in the hydra, and the hydra I am a part of includes my friend who is playing his first game of mafia ever. How does this make either of those 2 'hydras' a better choice than any other player? For those curious/for the sake of clarity: I will be doing most of the posting/decision making for this day, as my friend will be traveling for a portion of it. /Harbinger @Evantrees: Why in the hell did you vote for me for pardoner yesterday? I wasn't running, and hadn't been active in the game. You said you RNG'ed the 3 remaining hydra players, but I am confused as to why you did that. One hydra has openly admitted to not having seen or heard anything from the second player in the hydra, and the hydra I am a part of includes my friend who is playing his first game of mafia ever. How does this make either of those 2 'hydras' a better choice than any other player? Too much discussion on why we wanted to protect the hydras day 1 went along with it I suppose. Sort of had to change my vote off Arctocod so wanted to put it somewhere, bit skeptical for ProfBA for some reason. Never got around to changing it with the freaking out over the lynch Also have definitely done some of what you accused greymist of, and oh he pointed it out for me nice. GreYMisT When I am reading Evantress's posts, im seeing a whole lot of nothing, disguised as something. trying and failing to be helpful it seems. Evantress while it kind of makes more sense is not my name. Really not sure how to try and defend myself from such accusation. I have been mostly replying to stuff and pointing out things. Hopefully letting the able scum hunters can focus more on that instead. Am I just wasting time? More of what people have complained about but don't like seeing random incorrect facts. Though in this case hopefully unimportant given our Attorney is dead and theirs used his ability. Jitsu and the fact that the 'Election Block' ability of whatever we assume is the mafia equiv. to District Attorney had to have happened within two hours of the day ending. Kita posted a correction the District Attorney had to act before the two hour mark, and arc was withdrawn about 2 hours 15 min before the Lynch/Election.+ Show Spoiler + On December 15 2011 11:53 kitaman27 wrote: It appears there was a typo in the role mechanic. "Must" should have been replaced with "cannot". My apologies. 7 minutes remain to submit any night actions. | ||
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On December 16 2011 10:38 Jitsu wrote: @evantrees. Sure. It doesn't matter; I think you can spin it either way. He uses his ability with a little under 2 Hours left to use it, than posts how he "thought he had two hours remaining to put votes in and has to make a hasty decision. Regardless, I think it's funny how you came to his defense rather forcefully, no? Also, you seem pretty accurate with the timing on the ability. How did you know it was used roughly around 2 hours and 15 minutes, to the minute? Maybe a scum player said "Use that ability, there is only 15 minutes left" and it stuck in your mind? you seemed to think it had been used on arc with less than 2 hours left to lynch,which was bugging me, and I came to someone's defense didn't notice. again was just bugged by this line being wrong "had to have happened within two hours of the day ending." I checked it while typing up this post which prompted the correction from kita. and I'm off a bit the withdrawal posted at 9:43. | ||
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On December 16 2011 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Evantrees I had to read through his posts twice before I found anything worth even mentioning. Also, I'm having a hard time discerning what he's voting people for - as his reasoning is almost universally nil…so I had to go back and look at the posts in context to find out what he's talking about a lot of the time. Also, there's a distinct lack of trying to find scum, so don't even try to look for it. So you really felt the need to go over it ok. Here though he claims he'll look at zeks and GreYMisT. Doesn't. Doesn't come up with anything to mention. Does, however, claim to vote for my slot. For funsies. see below. RNG's his election vote…that's not only bad for town, but simultaneously makes him absolutely free of accountability for his choice! Should I have just joined the bandwagon for someone I'm still not fully sure of for no reason? WUT? Honestly, I'm not sure what this post is supposed to be saying. At the time, there was a vote-switch in the works. My slot was being voted by a lot of people and Rad (I think) came in and said that someone else should be lynched instead. Not sure why, but my guess is the whole 'don't lynch lurkers'…also my slot didn't vote, so maybe he was hoping for a better replacement. AT any rate, I don't know what evan is commenting on in this post, but resolves to look at Spaackles. response to this from the looks of it and again didn't see anything. This post…this post is something. He defends his RNG for Pardoner by saying 'I didn't start that'…I think. Also, defends his choice of Nisani as a lynch by saying 'Palmogism told me to'…which isn't the worst reason in the world (for fun, arguably, is). And defends his decision to not defend himself because "we had a bigger problem". 'I rnged out of the 3 other hydras only why I didn't say that I don't know. As a place to start and has been stated didn't start the rng discussion.' Is what I said. Apparently Zeks started the rng discussion which gave me the idea to use it to decide which of the three Hydras to place a vote for. Well him and someone bugging Arctocod asking why he hasn't suggested a day 1 RNGed lynch yet. I Voted to lynch Nisani as a place to start, since yes that's who Arctocod was voting for when he was withdrawn. PAUSE I'm assuming the "bigger problem" was Arctocod being removed from the electoral race. Why would that be a problem for him? Finding a good lynch target seemed like a bigger problem than trying to defend myself, sadly didn't end help at all with that. 1) he wasn't voting for Arctocod, voted for arctocod here. why is that point even in here, most of the rest of this come as reasonable complaints. 2) he didn't care who won (lolRNGlol), and didn't want to vote forProfBA at the time had no better option to offer. 3) he wasn't talking about it at all. So why would that be a valid excuse to not defend the accusations against him? too busy trying to read filters and finding squat. RESUME He then goes on to say 'for goodness sakes, don't waste a check on me' qualifying it with 'at least use it on someone who might cause town a problem if they were scum'. Really? REALLY? 1) No one was even talking about checks that I can see, there's these two why I responding to people saying don't bother checking me I don't know. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720¤tpage=54#1071 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720¤tpage=54#1073 2) You're not contributing, so how are we supposed to gauge your alignment? trying to, and seem to keep getting asked questions. 3) 'for goodness sakes'…like it would be some kind of huge mistake. Huge mistake perhaps not a waste yes. 4) any scum are a problem, you included. If you're scum, we need to know because you're going to cause a problem. Saying DTs should check someone else because you're a 'weak player' is…weak bro. any scum are a problem, true particularly when there are still five of them, sadly for you I'm not one of them. and it was partly me realizing yes I looked like a damned easy lynch. Verdict: leaning Scum People really don't like my choice of words sometimes it seems. Not sure what else I can add at the moment. | ||
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Concerning MrZentor I feel an extra 24 hours leans a bit too much towards town to be a scum ability myself. I feel he would make a good third candidate for the election for that reason, a little doubtful on the need for one though. @evantrees How about you give your top 2 scum reads and some analysis on them? You said you were trying to be helpful, and your scum reads will be infinitely more helpful than things like:+ Show Spoiler + Sorry started reading the thread rather late, so tomorrow. Read some filters of dead people first before I started. But can post these two opinions from before this mess. Gut says Comprissent is scum for some reason and has since early the first day and some suspicion on ProfessorBadass because arc was not dead night one kind of removing that reason for making him withdraw though yes he would be doomed to be hittable night two and on even if prplhz was still alive. Who has done the most filter and posting of people? so I can go through theirs later. Less of a chance of them influencing my opinion. still bugging me hopefully get an answer this time. Twice per game you may pardon a player, nullifying all votes against the player during the lynch, does the person with the most votes after the pardon is used(the runner up) get lynched or is the lynch called off. | ||
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Debated not posting this due to the complaints but eh whatever. Why no vote for the election Comprissent, Zeks , and MarserBlood? and Cascades you messed up the format. Also no lynch vote from MarserBlood and risk.nuke. | ||
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or maybe this one by sheth, greymist http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720¤tpage=52#1036 I know how you feel giygas. I'm certain I'm not scum also fairly certain I don't have a ton to defend myself with. So a question claim now or claim when the night is over? I called Cascades out for format because from the looks of it his vote was not counted. and sorry I was working from this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293723#2 + Show Spoiler + GiygaS (10): evantrees, Cwave, TotallyNotTwoPeople, VisceraEyes, Radfield, bumatlarge, risk.nuke, MrZentor, nyczbrandon, Arctocod Arctocod (6): ProfessorBadass, GiygaS, GreYMisT, Liquid`Sheth, TotallyNotTwoPeople, MrZentor, -TotallyNotTwoPeople, Jitsu, Refallen, -Liquid`Sheth, -MrZentor, DEUS-ex-MAFIA DEUS-ex-MAFIA (1): Liquid`Sheth Gotta post quicker this kept growing and growing. | ||
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Looked again, Looks like Comprissent started it by accident. GigyaS instead of GiygaS. + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2011 03:44 Comprissent wrote: ##Vote: GigyaS On December 16 2011 05:33 zeks wrote: ##Vote: GigyaS On December 16 2011 05:14 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: ##Unvote: Arctocod ##Vote: GigyaS On December 16 2011 07:31 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: ##Vote: GiygaS typo >.> On December 16 2011 08:00 Radfield wrote: ##Vote: Gigyas On December 16 2011 09:52 Radfield wrote: ##vote: giygas On December 18 2011 18:39 Arctocod wrote: Also we know 4 of the mafia roles now (gf+rb+anonymous messager+"district attorney"), not quite sure if Zentor's power being fifth would make sense. I'm leaning against it I'm leaning towards it being something vote related maybe something in line with Spaackle's. + Show Spoiler + Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the Politician. Twice per game, you may buy target player's vote and dictate their day cycle and election cycle vote. The results of your action will not be reflected until the final vote count. You win with town | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Looks like I missed... (I only looked at Lynch thread, thinking everyone would vote in both, I was way off) Comprissent Zeks Cascades So those 3 and risk.nuke marserblood I went over this though they hadn't voted as well. Comprissent voted gigyas instead of giygas Zeks voted gigyas as well Cascades missed a # all tried to vote, though not sure if the screw ups count against them or not. | ||
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On December 19 2011 23:55 Radfield wrote: evantrees, all i need is a yes or no answer. nope, sorry and not from me radfield. hi jaj22. On December 20 2011 09:04 risk.nuke wrote: Who stopped MrZentor and Nisani bandwagons. Who saw through the scum plans and called out Curu when palmar withdrew. I've read this game better then anyone else, I should be Prankster. Period. I think you being prankster might be fitting given some of the stuff people have complained about, being all over the place and what not. | ||
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Ability seems good for lying to town not sure what else. Maybe could have tried to mess with the substitutes check how well they've been reading the thread? "Please stay tuned to the following announcement:" followed by message, any preference on what you would like kita to post? | ||
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On December 21 2011 04:06 MrZentor wrote: There is no chance they have more than one mafia with the announcer role? I'd say pretty small given we know the other 4, and it seems kind of weak when it has been seen once already. 17. bumatlarge (Replaces DropBear) godfather dead 25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra)the Mafia Minister of Propaganda . dead someone roleblocker someone attorney Kind of feel the last one will end up as something in a similar vein as this, Politician. Twice per game, you may buy target player's vote and dictate their day cycle and election cycle vote. The results of your action will not be reflected until the final vote count. | ||
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Gut says Comprissent is scum for some reason and has since early the first day. might have been this post. + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2011 14:48 Comprissent wrote: I think I just got like... quadruple ninja'd lol I do think it is better to put a more active person into office anyways, it is up to town to catch a slipup This being said, it now makes more sense in my head to NOT vote for two extremely active players who are running for office, rather leaving one out of an office. If they are both scum, and experienced, town is in trouble. Leaving a lesser experienced person in office may be helpful, where if both offices turn out to be scum, we have a better chance of catching one. It's just like what was just said, these positions don't really control the game so what's the biggie with leaving one office for someone not as experienced? Reading through Cascade's filter didn't convince me to switch my vote to him. | ||
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