TL Mafia XLVIII

On December 04 2011 08:26 Palmar wrote:
bugs, force incog to make me a neutral compulsive dumbass vigilante with no win condition

I can shoot people when they derp, that's it. I don't have a win condition, I exist only to punish dumbassery.

On December 05 2011 05:59 syllogism wrote:
I noticed Jackal's tone as well, which in addition to what you said doesn't fit his typical tendency to just tunnel palmar.

On December 05 2011 08:58 Radfield wrote:



Do you know what I was just thinking? I was looking at my notes and saying, hey, Erandorr said he would be gone for 6 hours and it's been almost 8. I just jotted down a nice note saying you were looking scummy if you didn't post tonight

I have many thoughts at this point, but none of them are near concrete enough to be airing into the thread. There are still a half dozen players yet to post, and another half dozen who need to post more. There are several players who I am waiting and watching for them to post more on their own, without being called out. Jackal was the one I wanted to talk about, but very few players have touched on his post, and he has not weighed in either.

I think so far we are doing decent, but we need more activity to call this a successful Day 1.

On December 05 2011 06:33 Jackal58 wrote:

I don't tunnel Palmar. I blow the mother fucker up.

I'm waiting for him to answer my question regarding an rng vote and why he thinks that would be advantageous on day 1. If I don't like his answer I'll probably vote for him. I'm not as concerned with his list now that I saw he was responding to a question you asked of him. But the rng angle is almost like pushing for a no lynch. It just seems like a scum agenda.

And sorry if my absence bothered some of you but I was watching the Steelers rape the Bungles.
And now I'm going to go see if the Browns can some how embarrass the Ravens.

On December 05 2011 11:37 redFF wrote:
prplz what do you think of the palmar case?

On December 05 2011 12:10 Lanaia wrote:
Agh, I'm not sure how to feel anymore, yet the game is young so I am okay with that.




I know that I really don't like this post at all. I know other people have mentioned it, but it's really bothering me.
Radfield, do you even think prplhz is scum? If so, why? If not, why are you still voting him?

On December 06 2011 04:06 Radfield wrote:



Yes, lets get started. These are the players I am willing to lynch today:

1. supersoft
7. hyshes
6. Erandorr
9. Drazerk
10. Jackal58
16. kingjames01
19. Lanaia
20. Risen
24. Hier

Now I realize I'm doing what I said to not do: Posting a big list of people who scum can cherry pick from. However at this point I'm willing to let scum take from this list if they want to. If anyone thinks anyone else should be on this list, i'm happy to discuss why they are not.


Jackal seems to be only posting in response to players. I don't have a good read on Jackal though, so as I said, I'm not going to push it on my own.

On December 06 2011 06:39 redFF wrote:
GODDAMN THIS PALMAR WAGON IS BAD

On December 06 2011 06:41 redFF wrote:

this is day 1, we need a lynch of some sort.

On December 06 2011 06:45 Palmar wrote:
gonna take a shower and cool off a bit.

Holy shit this stupidity is making me mad.

On December 06 2011 08:40 Palmar wrote:
Someone is going to notice this sooner or later, so I might as well claim it anyway.

I have an extra vote, (the role name is floridian) that means the anonymous vote that will show up on the voting chart is mine. I don't see any reason as for why I should not claim this role, as an anonymous vote will probably confuse people more than it helps to keep it concealed.

On December 06 2011 09:16 vaderseven wrote:
Jackal, can I get a link to that game and what day did that go down on?

On December 06 2011 09:27 vaderseven wrote:
Nevermind not interested then.

On December 06 2011 10:02 syllogism wrote:

No, v7 had the opportunity to be open and comply with our request, which he eventually did. Role claiming was completely unnecessary, dumb and shooting like that without discussing it was awful.

On December 06 2011 10:25 Radfield wrote:
Erandorr, I appreciate you building a case(Jackal too), and I think both you and Jackal have some decent criticism of my Day 1 play. I've been doing a lot of asking questions, and not a lot of follow up.

That being said, I stand by every post I have made this game. My goal has been to get things moving and I think i've actually done a decent job at that, in addition to moving the thread down productive avenues.

Some points:
* I'm not a strong Day 1 scumhunter. In fact pretty much the only time I build big day 1 cases are when I'm mafia. Other than that I built a Day 1 case on Barundar in PYPI, and was wrong.
* As town I almost always have a lot of town reads, and only a few scum reads(generally do the opposite when scum)
* When I quote things, I routinely remove parts of the quote that are not directly related to the point I'm making.Read any past case I have built
* I have only ever been right on Day 1 once (Jackal in Merc Mini 2)


The real question is: Do you agree with what I am doing right now? Consolidating a lynch on Hier, and trying to avoid a Palmar lynch?

On December 06 2011 10:53 Lanaia wrote:


It was in my last post, Risen. Palmar was acting like he did last game before he got lynched and that I felt he was town.
Or do you mean why I switched to Hier?
To avoid a Palmar lynch, he was the best target. People were consolidating onto him and from what I've seen in the past, Palmar can be a hell of a lot more helpful than Hier.

On December 06 2011 11:01 Radfield wrote:



Have I really been all over the board? I'll admit I skim-read your case against me, but I just don't see how you can think what I've been doing so far has mafia motives? Unless your simply stating that my mafia motive is to blend in, but in that case I would be posting way way less. Go look at any game I have played as scum, and count how many posts I have in day 1. I bet I have at least double the posts so far than any scum game I have ever played. Scum = lurkish, with some directing, and a few cases + lotsa scum reads. Town = open, conversational, poking and prodding, commenting, keeping town discussion flowing, leading and consolidating lynches.

The game was Some Mafia Game, and as I recall the reason you trusted Palmar was due to the fact that you checked him N1 as Parity Cop, NOT due to his play. You even posted how it was just too unlikely that your first check would hit the godfather(or framed mafia in that case).

On December 06 2011 11:24 Radfield wrote:
The RNG things was not actually random. I thought that became kinda apparent. Drazerk called me out and I explained it there, though I admit I didn't go into detail. I have actually thought about posting several times to clear it up, but each time deleted my post because I didn't want to sidetrack. The gist is, I wanted to generate some chatter, see prp's reaction specifically, and town's reaction in general. I figured that mafia would most likely not jump on me, simply because it was over the top blatant, but that it was the kind of thing townies would bite on. It was done pretty much on a whim, it pretty much accomplished what I wanted, and I wish I hadn't done it because things like that always bite me in the ass (like requesting an RPG and BP vest in my first post in Merc Mini).

I can see where you're coming from on the planting seeds. Rest assured though I will be building proper cases on people.

I will make you a deal. If I am still alive after night 2, and you still think I am scum you can push me all you want. Until then give me some room to work and see what I can do(and I will do the same for you). Deal?

On December 06 2011 11:44 Zephirdd wrote:
I'm off to bed. 2 votes to hammer Hier down(counting Lanaia's voteswitch). I am pretty certain that it's the right choice at the moment, or at least the safest choice of a lynch, considering he hasn't posted anything but two posts and that suggests a high chance of zero posts on the following night and days.

Hopefully two people make up their minds on that case. Where is hyshes by the way?

On December 07 2011 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dear prplhz,

Literally all I've seen from Palmar is defending himself. I'm building a case, but don't dismiss what I'm saying just because I'm being consistent. I admit my tunnel of him yesterday was bad, but I'm as aware of his ability as anyone else is and to be honest, I understand what people have been saying about keeping him alive to prove himself. But all I see is him attempting to justify his retarded lie (assuming it's a lie) yesterday and taken with his general trolling behavior yesterday I'm fully of the opinion that he's scum.

We'll see what happens between now and then.

As far as opinions on others, I'll have to get back with you, as most of my attention has been on Palmar. I've noticed a few strange things in relation to Palmar about some people that I intend to explore once I get my Palmar flip. Here's a snapshot though.

Radfield has done a fine job of keeping d1 relatively focused. It's only when he wasn't in direct contact with the thread that Palmar was able to destroy what he'd accomplished. I've got a strong town read on Radfield.

redFF has been weird too. D1 started out strong, then degraded into capslock abuse and one-liners, the pit he remains in now. I'm wondering if it has to do with the way suspicions were rolling at the time - confidence levels and whatnot. Wishywashy on Palmar bad. Scum read on redFF

I'm a little suspicious of Sandroba's defense of Palmar yesterday, primarily because he commented on the fact that no one was defending him - in the same post he was defending him. He was one of those of the opinion that Palmar should be 'kept alive to prove himself', but that's certainly not a scum-tell of any kind. His case on Lanaia was...not. I'm leaning scum on Sandroba.

On December 07 2011 05:58 hyshes wrote:
And again syllogism is making the town atmosphere worse. So someone just had a final exam and you pose, somewhat aggressive, why he didn't post? And of course you don't leave it with 1 question about a stupid topic. This creates really a bad town atmosphere and I'm marking your play now as anti-town. Your question do not help town in any way.

On December 08 2011 12:13 Radfield wrote:
I'm going to tell you right now that you are not alone Zephridd There are legions of townies who 'get a bad feeling' about me between the end of day one and end of day two when I am town. It honestly happens every single game to me. Someone should figure out why and tell me so I can fix it

You are on the Solid Town list for a very specific reason. I'm not going to go into it deeper than that.

All the other people missing from those three lists are pretty null. I either haven't relooked over them, they are very inactive, or I simply don't have a great read. I will also add that hyshes probably doesn't belong on my prob scum list, he is much more null at this point.

Also keep in mind that the Drazerk claim of a roleblock immune medic who has to claim night 1 is a joke. It's either a joke by Incog, or a joke by Drazerk. In LOTR Drazerk claimed medic during Day 2 for no apparent reason and actually managed to stay alive until the end of the game, and I think he even made a save.



If you see a problem with my list then let me hear it. Don't just snipe.

I hope you realize I am also one of strongest voices in the thread against a Palmar lynch? Problem is I don't like annul either, and I don't have a good fallback target since I'm leaning more and more town on you.

I will say this, I'm willing to lynch sandro if he doesn't start being more useful. He has almost zero contribution at this point, when he should be starting to pinpoint scum.

On December 09 2011 00:03 Palmar wrote:
Jackal58: Can you please help me beat sense into this town.

I'll gladly help you lynch Radfield later.

On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next?

On December 09 2011 00:07 Mattchew wrote:


lol what? Please explain to me why you are actually willing to do this.

On December 09 2011 00:16 Palmar wrote:
Mattchew is actually arguing that this would be a terrible idea, so i think he simply wanted to gauge my reactions.

On December 09 2011 00:18 Toadesstern wrote:

I think he said he thinks palmar is scum and therefore annul has to be town.

I am still miracously on a town-read on palmar so I got to disagree here. I think he's just an overconfident guy who hates it when he's not in controle. He screwed day1 and lost controle of this game, he started playing more serious and did a lot of lurking. He's probably stubborn enoug to tell himself something along the lines "well I'm going to show them that they SHOULD trust me and will deliver a mafia" to get back in controle / be confirmed townie so that people are listening to what he says because that's what he wants. He wants to be in charge and lead the investigation. That's why I think he might be tunneling (because he thinks he needs to find a mafia right now) and I don't think his case on annul is better than my case on erandorr.
Might be wrong with my analysis of palmar though.

On December 09 2011 01:01 Radfield wrote:


Do you think Palmar is still scum annul? If not him then who? Who else do you think is scummy, who should be our lynch today?


@Palmar, that's a much better case, and one I can get behind.

Originally I felt his 'blueslip' catch made him seem townie in origin, not so sure now though.

The fact that he came into the thread and asked for a recap is generally not something mafia would do. However this is very much true:



His claim of being hit also struck me as genuine:





But looking at it again reminds me of how I felt taking a hit as third party in PYP1. In general when you take a hit, you DO NOT claim how(vet or medic) but simply just let the thread know you took a hit. However when you take a hit as mafia(saved by town) you immediately claim the medic save, RoL in Closed Casket did the exact same thing. Why? Because being saved by a town medic buys you townie credit. He also very quickly agreed to the idea that mafia did not hit him, but syllo did. Maybe that's because the evidence is decent, but if syllo was suspicious of me during the night and I took a hit I would not immediately accept that syllo must have shot me.

##Vote: Annul

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Yep, reads change. As I said, I'm warming up on prplhz, and as should have been obvious from my posting, I had conflicting thoughts on annul. That's why they were both question marks.

You completely disappeared, and have basically been inactive this entire game. Other than the slight pressure I've tossed your way, you have commented on almost nothing(which unfortunately your town meta can support). In addition you were basically absent for 1-2 days, that moves you back towards null. Obviously if you continue to not comment or push any scum reads then you will move back towards red. I get that you think I'm scum, now move on and do something productive.




Ask yourself this: If I am scum, is this the best scum game I have ever played? If I am town, is this about where I am most day 2's, maybe slightly more scattered? Which do you think more likely? This is not an argument, just a question. Not even one you have to answer right now.

On December 09 2011 01:29 Radfield wrote:
I'm mostly interested in who you think are scummy and why Jackal. Though I'm also interested in which part of Palmar's case on annul you like, and which parts you don't(which you alluded to).

But from my perspective I know none of your reads, because you are focused almost entirely on me.

On December 09 2011 02:24 TruthBringer wrote:
I will switch my vote to the highest vote receiver before daytime ends if doing so is necessary to cause a hanging.

On a different matter: The death of supersoft seemed odd. He seemed ambiguous as to whether he was town or mafia. Of course, mafia want to kill people who are obviously townies, so that when it comes to voting, everyone is a suspect. He also isn't a power player as far as I know. I know he didn't make that 6-player list of Radfield, Palmar, redFF, syllogism, Jackal58, and Sandroba.

So why was he killed?

I can think of somebody who had a motive to kill him: Lanaia. Supersoft made a sexist comment about girls always contradicting themselves. I think that comment was inappropriate but Lanaia appeared to take it in stride. But maybe she got the last laugh and killed supersoft for it.

It is enough to put Lanaia on my radar anyways.

On December 09 2011 02:51 TruthBringer wrote:

The part that you bolded is me indicating that I would prefer to hang someone today rather than not hang. How is that scummy?

On December 09 2011 03:19 TruthBringer wrote:
That's an argument for me NOT being mafia if I don't care who it is . . . care to expound how that makes me mafia?

On December 09 2011 04:43 Erandorr wrote:
Oh shit. Someone is making sense!

By the way, I actually didn't sheep Palmar, I came to that conclusion on my own. It was just kinda funny ^.^

On December 09 2011 05:52 Drazerk wrote:


Just post it now doing what you are doing now is going to make everyone want to lynch you more causing an imminent death regardless

On December 09 2011 05:42 Toadesstern wrote:


I am just quoting myself because everyone is ignoring it.

Palmar answer this one: You think erandorr is a bad case based of what he does and based of what I said so far? It's AGAIN the same thing. He made that one post 13 pages ago that made everyone think "oh that poor little guy, he even thinks Toads case is good, can't be mafia". And he instantly went into lurkingmode again just to come out now to make a single post that got 2 posts of nothing. I will be sitting there post game telling you that I told you erandorr was a good case, I even told you what erandorr is going to to and he did it twice now. And he's ignoring it again. Yell yeah, that's the way a townie is playing this game, let's all withdraw our votes from erandorr...

On December 09 2011 07:18 vaderseven wrote:
Holy replacement timing batman!

This really makes me believe erandors 'im sick' defense and I send him a fell better wish via this post.

IMO, this brings us back to annul/palmar. I was getting into the case on erandor but now his defense seems too good to just ignore like I was preparing to. I know that is pretty meta but it just seems rash to lynch a guy that replaced in like this considering he nature of the case leading up to now.

tl;dr - replacement is a soft confirmation of real life making it impossible to play and that soft confirmation really destroys alot of the case in my eyes.

On December 12 2011 05:56 Drazerk wrote:


Lies snowball... once you don't die it becomes worse and worse.

On December 12 2011 07:07 Zephirdd wrote:
*sigh* at this rate we'll end up with a no-lynch.

Just freaking kill xsksc already. annul and Drazerk are not the best lynches, they are far from it IMO. Too much uncertainty in it. redFF also feels too weird for me.

seriously, xsksc is the only choice here that is safe. Corrupt was scummy, xsksc is scum. Just do it already. Palmar, I really doubt you are lynching annul today unless scum decides to jump into it with full strength; if you are really that mad over him at least wait a day or so; We NEED this red lynch.

On December 12 2011 07:16 Palmar wrote:
Thanks Zephirdd.

Jackal, we need you on this case too, because once I've gone to sleep, the idiots will have 4-5 hours to unvote him.

On December 12 2011 07:26 Palmar wrote:


If Annul was town, why didn't he just shoot me? His entire effort of scumhunting before this day was to call me scum based on me trolling on day one.

I expected him to do exactly what you said, however, you're basically saying he's not scum because he hasn't played optimally for scum, but has he played optimally for town? Far away from it.

I think he pulled a gambit, thinking that he could trick town into believing his shit, and it paid off.

On December 12 2011 08:28 Palmar wrote:
The only good thing that can possibly come out of this is that there is a chance redFF is scum too. But I was leaning towards his reasons for not supporting my case last night being just bad.

I mean, the guy has only voted townies so far (me, prplhz, hier).

But I think redFF could be scum, I know annul is scum.

Stuff Interesting?

On December 13 2011 09:07 annul wrote:
because i am obviously town?

because you dont lynch obvious blues?

because results-oriented thinking is bad?

because palmar never had a valid case whatsoever and chest-thumping does not constitute logic?

because my accusers flat refuse to respond to my defenses?

because faulting a player for trying to survive when faced with constant aggression is a terrible idea since people under attack will defend themselves regardless of their color?

because i may be the only active player in this game that has not lied once, unlike my accusers in my instances?

because the mafia knows my hunting skills are tremendous (see 47) and have tried to take me out of play by putting me on defense from the beginning?

i mean i can continue

On December 15 2011 01:49 Drazerk wrote:
Jackal you still need to vote annul.

On December 15 2011 06:41 sandroba wrote:
Man this thread depresses me greatly. We were supposed to have moved on from this day2.

On December 15 2011 08:38 Lanaia wrote:
Sorry guys, had some RL issues to attend to.
I'm back, and I am not going to lynch V7 today as I've had a town read on him for ages.

I kind of wish none of the medics had ever claimed. Maybe then at least one of palmar/zeph would be alive.


May I ask who are your solid scumreads?

I think it's better to wait until after lynch before we focus on tomorrow. I'm not sure why, but it feels a bit more logical...
Mattchew, why don't you answer your own question?

On December 15 2011 10:56 sandroba wrote:
LOL GG
/dance

On December 16 2011 02:44 xsksc wrote:


We should be trying to lynch the RB, we have 4 confirmed scum to pick from, what makes you think sandroba is the RB?

On December 16 2011 02:54 xsksc wrote:


The fuck? No, you could try and actually THINK about the situation just a little. Why are you getting so angry? If we can possibly get their RB instead of a goon, why rush the lynch? I'm confused by your attitude, really.

I doubt they would use Sandroba to claim scum if he's their rb, it's probably Risen/Viscera or the last scum who we don't know yet.

On December 16 2011 03:05 xsksc wrote:


I never suggested lynching the unknown, obviously we're gonna lynch the confirmed scum, but don't start with Sandroba. He's almost certainly goon, Viscera/Risen have a much higher chance of flipping a role.

On December 16 2011 03:22 TruthBringer wrote:
I don't really have a read on what roles each of the mafia players has, so I'll just hang whichever of them.

On December 16 2011 03:38 kingjames01 wrote:
I just wanted to bring this up:
We know that 2 players (supersoft and syllogism) died during Night 1 which we can probably attribute to the mafia but we do not know FOR CERTAIN that syllogism took the shot. annul may have been lying. That would then mean that Toadesstern was also lying.

Do we actually know that Toadesstern is a medic?

On December 19 2011 03:09 vaderseven wrote:
jackal, reread what i said and tell me what you did wrong

On December 19 2011 04:18 hyshes wrote:
never mind, just found out what a floridian is. So i'm dead?

On December 19 2011 04:19 kingjames01 wrote:
haha. Nice! =)

That was a decisive end. Jackal, are you Town or Mafia Floridian?

On December 19 2011 04:51 vaderseven wrote:
I learned a valuable lesson about non themed closed setups and it fucked even one over.

Fucking noob play by me day 2.

On December 19 2011 06:13 xsksc wrote:
The Fuhrer will be most displeased I imagine..

GG

On December 19 2011 06:15 syllogism wrote:
Your strategy was awful and had no chance of working if it weren't for the fact you basically had ~5 townies working for your team. The setup may have been slightly town favored, but it was very much winnable without giving away your whole team on day 2

On December 19 2011 06:20 syllogism wrote:

There was nothing left to prove. Annul was repeatedly shown to be mafia, but this group of townies just refused to listen. If they can't recognize mafia in a situation like that, I don't think they ever will

On December 19 2011 07:09 Drazerk wrote:
I knew I made a huge blunder in day one that I wouldn't be able to come back from and that scum would try to mislynch me, from that point on I was just trying to get scum to shoot me which they didn't just causing me more and more frustration the longer I stayed alive until it all blew up in my face.

Moral of the story: Never Vote Palmar

On December 19 2011 07:20 wherebugsgo wrote:


I don't understand, what blunder did you commit day 1 that forced you to make a ludicrous fake claim?

On December 19 2011 07:37 Risen wrote:


Couldn't town have sent theirs in and they were actually waiting on you?

So many points in this game had me laughing my ass off. Palmar's valiant stand was one of the better points I've had playing Mafia ((I've played a whopping 3 games >.>))

On December 19 2011 09:02 Curu wrote:


lol that's a joke. If any of the capable Town players had survived (or had anyone even listened to them) Town likely had an overwhelming victory.

I was talking with syllogism and we were able to establish Jackal as scum and redFF as Town in the first like 10 pages. You had Radfield and syllo pointing out how scummy Jackal was, you had Radfield AND syllo AND Palmar all telling you that annul was 100% scum. You had Toadesstern saying ridiculous shit like"I think annul is Mafia but since vaderseven said he is Town I will listen to vaderseven" which is basically CLAIMING MAFIA.

The last minute switch to redFF I think is the worst play I have ever seen out of a Town in the history of Mafia games. It's hilarious how the three best players in the game all accuse annul and all die and almost the entire scum team was bussing annul when he first came under pressure and Town still refused to lynch him.

On December 19 2011 10:05 Palmar wrote:


This post, both the content, the thought process behind it, is the reason prplhz is quickly becoming one of the best players on this forum.

Awesome job in your recent games as town prplhz.

Jackal played a very strong scum game, pretty unsurprising I guess, he's awesome as scum.

The redFF lynch was well... kinda ok scumplay, remember that I tore apart Zephirdd's case against redFF on day 2. I don't think it was terribly bad town play either, of course it was far from optimal. I think the main problem was redFF himself, he had such a bad game this time around, his reads were all way off.

Happens to everyone though, he's a decent player.

Refallen, you did sort of well this game. Lanaia, Mattchew, Drazerk, Vaderseven, Kingjames, Truthbringer, you all really, really need to step up your game.

I'm sorry for not being clear enough with the case against annul, I really should have gotten him lynched, but having to go to sleep 5 hours before the deadline is kinda hard. I'd rate my play this game okay.

Scum played "well" given the situation. Any non-retarded town would've completely smashed you guys, but you correctly read the situation and realized you could get away with this. That's very good call on your behalf, and man, Jackal is such a fucking monster as scum.

I hope you all liked my video

On December 19 2011 10:16 wherebugsgo wrote:


so you're saying that every standard game ever played in the TL Mafia subforum has been grossly town favored?

LOL.

You don't sacrifice FIVE scum to no-lynch, and I am certain every single one of your teammates would agree on that. I already know VE and sandro agree with me on that.

On December 19 2011 10:30 wherebugsgo wrote:


again, no you don't.

I even talked to sandro about it; the idea was to sacrifice himself to get the no-lynch, with toad and annul perhaps following after. There was no reason for VE and Risen to die.

On December 19 2011 12:59 GGQ wrote:
I only read the last few days of the game. I still would've voted jackal. You always vote jackal, people.

On December 19 2011 13:22 Curu wrote:


Yes lol. Do you remember Werewolves? I was so sure you were scum because you had rabid blind aggression towards Nisani who was quite obviously Town. You flipping Town blew my mind. Likewise in Kurumi's game, you were attacking people and pushing them hard.

After seeing you attack Palmar so mildly and so timidly in this game I was sure after your first post in this game you were scum.

On December 19 2011 13:41 Refallen wrote:
Thank you hosts for hosting this game

Should I have claimed medic?

On December 19 2011 20:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
The day two case, IMO, was strengthened immensely by annul passing his shot off to the person who was "most townie."

The fact that Toad wasn't willing to pick his own scumread was even more damning of both of them. Neither player ultimately "chose" the target; Toad used Radfield's read on prpl to try and absolve himself of responsibility.

People don't do that as town. If you were in Toad's position, would you have picked annul's target? If yes, would you have picked annul's target by choosing someone else's scumread over your own?

If you were in annul's position as town, would you have passed your shot off? (clearly no, as you didn't pass it off day 1)

Annul essentially claimed scum by not choosing who to shoot.

On December 20 2011 00:23 Palmar wrote:
I used my 4k post to give jackal a heart. That's pretty nice of me.

On December 20 2011 06:43 vaderseven wrote:


Yes there is?

On December 20 2011 07:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yeah Jackal you are a lot more aggressive as town.

It's how I caught you in Resurrection and Cosmic. In LoTR after like an hour of tunneling you reacted in such an aggressive manner that I figured you were town.

On December 20 2011 09:20 wherebugsgo wrote:


Cosmic=eldritch horror.

That was the game I replaced into and I was like oh yeah Jackal+Forumite scum! And then got shot because the deadline was at 6 am so I went to sleep instead of posting my case.