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On December 04 2011 03:08 Risen wrote: In this game is popcorn posting allowed post-death? Seems like a prudent question to ask. Also, since the other student game is so small, may I sign up for this one as well? Thank you | ||
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On December 04 2011 08:26 Palmar wrote: bugs, force incog to make me a neutral compulsive dumbass vigilante with no win condition I can shoot people when they derp, that's it. I don't have a win condition, I exist only to punish dumbassery. | ||
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Random lynch on day 1 seems counterproductive to me. On day anything really. What would you perceive as a benefit to doing that Palmar? Posting lists right out of the box about players who are likely on the scum team due to the hosts balancing reminds me a bit of Zodiac lists that have been posted in previous games. More often than not those lists were posted by scum. At least in the games I've seen them used in. You scum Palmar? The only way to 100% establish your innocence is to die. | ||
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It is a list that basically ranks players in a game. Using those rankings you determine who the scum team is by who is getting night killed. Strong players on the list should be dead by day 3 or so. If they're not they're scum. What it really is is a pile of day 1 wifom that scum can use to push lynches with later in the game. The games I have played in when a Zodiac list was presented, that list was proposed by scum 3 out of 4 times. So I have a developed a bit of a suspicious nature towards anybody that puts forth a "likely scum list" on day 1. | ||
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On December 05 2011 05:59 syllogism wrote: I noticed Jackal's tone as well, which in addition to what you said doesn't fit his typical tendency to just tunnel palmar. I don't tunnel Palmar. I blow the mother fucker up. I'm waiting for him to answer my question regarding an rng vote and why he thinks that would be advantageous on day 1. If I don't like his answer I'll probably vote for him. I'm not as concerned with his list now that I saw he was responding to a question you asked of him. But the rng angle is almost like pushing for a no lynch. It just seems like a scum agenda. And sorry if my absence bothered some of you but I was watching the Steelers rape the Bungles. And now I'm going to go see if the Browns can some how embarrass the Ravens. | ||
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On December 05 2011 08:58 Radfield wrote: Do you know what I was just thinking? I was looking at my notes and saying, hey, Erandorr said he would be gone for 6 hours and it's been almost 8. I just jotted down a nice note saying you were looking scummy if you didn't post tonight I have many thoughts at this point, but none of them are near concrete enough to be airing into the thread. There are still a half dozen players yet to post, and another half dozen who need to post more. There are several players who I am waiting and watching for them to post more on their own, without being called out. Jackal was the one I wanted to talk about, but very few players have touched on his post, and he has not weighed in either. I think so far we are doing decent, but we need more activity to call this a successful Day 1. I did. I think you missed it. To be fair I responded to Syllo who responded to you but it's still there. I'll be on for a little less than an hour before I go to bed. What exactly did you have an issue with in my original post? I don't like lists. I don't like people that post lists. And Palmar's rng lynch suggestion was just weird. On December 05 2011 06:33 Jackal58 wrote: I don't tunnel Palmar. I blow the mother fucker up. I'm waiting for him to answer my question regarding an rng vote and why he thinks that would be advantageous on day 1. If I don't like his answer I'll probably vote for him. I'm not as concerned with his list now that I saw he was responding to a question you asked of him. But the rng angle is almost like pushing for a no lynch. It just seems like a scum agenda. And sorry if my absence bothered some of you but I was watching the Steelers rape the Bungles. And now I'm going to go see if the Browns can some how embarrass the Ravens. Post made in response to you and Syllo earlier. | ||
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On December 05 2011 11:37 redFF wrote: prplz what do you think of the palmar case? What do you think of your Palmar case? His list was a response to Syllo. I missed that when I reacted to it. Does that change anything for you? | ||
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On December 05 2011 12:10 Lanaia wrote: Agh, I'm not sure how to feel anymore, yet the game is young so I am okay with that. I know that I really don't like this post at all. I know other people have mentioned it, but it's really bothering me. Radfield, do you even think prplhz is scum? If so, why? If not, why are you still voting him? He's scum? | ||
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On December 06 2011 04:06 Radfield wrote: Yes, lets get started. These are the players I am willing to lynch today: 1. supersoft 7. hyshes 6. Erandorr 9. Drazerk 10. Jackal58 16. kingjames01 19. Lanaia 20. Risen 24. Hier Now I realize I'm doing what I said to not do: Posting a big list of people who scum can cherry pick from. However at this point I'm willing to let scum take from this list if they want to. If anyone thinks anyone else should be on this list, i'm happy to discuss why they are not. Jackal seems to be only posting in response to players. I don't have a good read on Jackal though, so as I said, I'm not going to push it on my own. I'm at work. Pardon me. I responded to you twice last night and you ignored both of them. You called me out (kinda) on my first post in the game. I'm still not sure why since you basically regurgitated my first post for the next several posts you made. And then decided my first post looked "off". You have ignored me twice. You have ignored most others just to go on and ask for others opinions with out trying to turn their answers into a discussion. You just ask another inane question of somebody else. You call rng voting dumb and then do it yourself. You call lists dumb and then do it yourself. It's not until this post I quoted that you have actually posted anything worthwhile. Filter him. He says a lot without saying a damn thing. And when he does finally commit to something he lists a third of the players in the game. Dude you're scum. Palmar played the same way in PYPII as he is now. He was town then. I suspect he's town now. Only difference is I can't blow him up this game. I suspect vaderseven is also town. The way Palmar forced him to shoot is the same reason I blew up Palmar in PYPII. Apparently Palmar doesn't learn. Radfield has my vote. Of everybody to this point in the game he is the only one I see as definite scum. ##Vote: Radfield. | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:39 redFF wrote: GODDAMN THIS PALMAR WAGON IS BAD On December 06 2011 06:41 redFF wrote: this is day 1, we need a lynch of some sort. ??????????????? | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:45 Palmar wrote: gonna take a shower and cool off a bit. Holy shit this stupidity is making me mad. To be fair it's self inflicted man. | ||
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I have a history of seeing Palmar as scum. Seems like most games if I'm not busy calling him scum he's busy calling me scum. But his ploy with you today he pulled on me just a couple games ago. However instead of killing some random person I blew him up. So ya I've seen him do this exact same thing before as town. So it is hard for me to call him scum. On December 06 2011 08:40 Palmar wrote: Someone is going to notice this sooner or later, so I might as well claim it anyway. I have an extra vote, (the role name is floridian) that means the anonymous vote that will show up on the voting chart is mine. I don't see any reason as for why I should not claim this role, as an anonymous vote will probably confuse people more than it helps to keep it concealed. Of course that was until he told us he has a vote rigging role. That's a scum role. Palmar,why does a townie have a scum role? | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:16 vaderseven wrote: Jackal, can I get a link to that game and what day did that go down on? Ya I'll find it. But most of what you would be looking for is not in the thread. It was a PM game. | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:27 vaderseven wrote: Nevermind not interested then. Tough shit. I went looking for it here it is. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956 Day 1. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:02 syllogism wrote: No, v7 had the opportunity to be open and comply with our request, which he eventually did. Role claiming was completely unnecessary, dumb and shooting like that without discussing it was awful. Scum slip? | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:21 syllogism wrote: Me and palmar were asking him to post his notes. You know, in the thread. Do you even follow the game? Yes I do. Your posts during that exchange: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12601974 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12603098 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12603194 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12603204 You didn't make much of a request to comply with. You asked if he was going to post his notes. That's why the "our" stood out to me. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:25 Radfield wrote: Erandorr, I appreciate you building a case(Jackal too), and I think both you and Jackal have some decent criticism of my Day 1 play. I've been doing a lot of asking questions, and not a lot of follow up. That being said, I stand by every post I have made this game. My goal has been to get things moving and I think i've actually done a decent job at that, in addition to moving the thread down productive avenues. Some points: * I'm not a strong Day 1 scumhunter. In fact pretty much the only time I build big day 1 cases are when I'm mafia. Other than that I built a Day 1 case on Barundar in PYPI, and was wrong. * As town I almost always have a lot of town reads, and only a few scum reads(generally do the opposite when scum) * When I quote things, I routinely remove parts of the quote that are not directly related to the point I'm making.Read any past case I have built * I have only ever been right on Day 1 once (Jackal in Merc Mini 2) The real question is: Do you agree with what I am doing right now? Consolidating a lynch on Hier, and trying to avoid a Palmar lynch? I am totally torn on Palmar. The only game I really believed him to be town (Except when we were Romeo and Juliet together) he was scum. That was the game Ace ran. I don't remember the name of it. All I remember is I made an ass out of myself trusting Palmar and cost town the game. That said I have been on the receiving end of his bullying when he was town. That's the Palmar I see this game to this point. But then he posted his role. That is a scum role. Don't care what you say Syllo. So ya I don't know what to make of Palmar at this point. I think I'd rather see him alive than dead at the end of the day. My problem with agreeing with you at this point is I really do think you're scum Rad. It's not a question of whether or not you're any good at finding scum on day 1. It's the way you've acted throughout the day. God knows I suck at finding scum day 1 too. But I haven't been all over the board like you have. I'll need to think about moving my vote to Heir. I'd much rather everybody voted for you but I don't see that happening at this point. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:53 Lanaia wrote: It was in my last post, Risen. Palmar was acting like he did last game before he got lynched and that I felt he was town. Or do you mean why I switched to Hier? To avoid a Palmar lynch, he was the best target. People were consolidating onto him and from what I've seen in the past, Palmar can be a hell of a lot more helpful than Hier. Last game you knew Palmar was town because you were scum. Same situation? | ||
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On December 06 2011 11:01 Radfield wrote: Have I really been all over the board? I'll admit I skim-read your case against me, but I just don't see how you can think what I've been doing so far has mafia motives? Unless your simply stating that my mafia motive is to blend in, but in that case I would be posting way way less. Go look at any game I have played as scum, and count how many posts I have in day 1. I bet I have at least double the posts so far than any scum game I have ever played. Scum = lurkish, with some directing, and a few cases + lotsa scum reads. Town = open, conversational, poking and prodding, commenting, keeping town discussion flowing, leading and consolidating lynches. The game was Some Mafia Game, and as I recall the reason you trusted Palmar was due to the fact that you checked him N1 as Parity Cop, NOT due to his play. You even posted how it was just too unlikely that your first check would hit the godfather(or framed mafia in that case). It was the SMG game. And ya I was screwed by pulling the parity cop and checking GF night one and a framed wbg night 2. Story of my life. Only time I've ever been cop. Only time I've ever trusted Palmar. Ya don't want that shit again. I don't really know your scum meta all that well. I think you've killed me night one every time. And yes you've been all over the board. Wishy washy at times. Posts that plant a seed of suspicion in the minds of others. I do that a lot when I'm scum. Never FoS somebody just let it sit there and fester. I see some of that from you. Posting lists after saying you don't like lists while stating "Ya I said I don't like lists but fuck here's one any ways" Saying rng voting is stupid and then doing it anyways. I just don't get it man. | ||
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On December 06 2011 11:24 Radfield wrote: The RNG things was not actually random. I thought that became kinda apparent. Drazerk called me out and I explained it there, though I admit I didn't go into detail. I have actually thought about posting several times to clear it up, but each time deleted my post because I didn't want to sidetrack. The gist is, I wanted to generate some chatter, see prp's reaction specifically, and town's reaction in general. I figured that mafia would most likely not jump on me, simply because it was over the top blatant, but that it was the kind of thing townies would bite on. It was done pretty much on a whim, it pretty much accomplished what I wanted, and I wish I hadn't done it because things like that always bite me in the ass (like requesting an RPG and BP vest in my first post in Merc Mini). I can see where you're coming from on the planting seeds. Rest assured though I will be building proper cases on people. I will make you a deal. If I am still alive after night 2, and you still think I am scum you can push me all you want. Until then give me some room to work and see what I can do(and I will do the same for you). Deal? I have no choice atm do I? | ||
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On December 06 2011 11:44 Zephirdd wrote: I'm off to bed. 2 votes to hammer Hier down(counting Lanaia's voteswitch). I am pretty certain that it's the right choice at the moment, or at least the safest choice of a lynch, considering he hasn't posted anything but two posts and that suggests a high chance of zero posts on the following night and days. Hopefully two people make up their minds on that case. Where is hyshes by the way? I just switched my vote. I don't like it. But I did it. I think I was the only vote on Radfield. I don't trust him but I also hate the idea of no lynch. And ya I'm gonna get persecuted for switching. But I would be persecuted for not as well. Fuck it. Damned if I do damned if I don't. | ||
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On December 07 2011 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear prplhz, Literally all I've seen from Palmar is defending himself. I'm building a case, but don't dismiss what I'm saying just because I'm being consistent. I admit my tunnel of him yesterday was bad, but I'm as aware of his ability as anyone else is and to be honest, I understand what people have been saying about keeping him alive to prove himself. But all I see is him attempting to justify his retarded lie (assuming it's a lie) yesterday and taken with his general trolling behavior yesterday I'm fully of the opinion that he's scum. We'll see what happens between now and then. As far as opinions on others, I'll have to get back with you, as most of my attention has been on Palmar. I've noticed a few strange things in relation to Palmar about some people that I intend to explore once I get my Palmar flip. Here's a snapshot though. Radfield has done a fine job of keeping d1 relatively focused. It's only when he wasn't in direct contact with the thread that Palmar was able to destroy what he'd accomplished. I've got a strong town read on Radfield. redFF has been weird too. D1 started out strong, then degraded into capslock abuse and one-liners, the pit he remains in now. I'm wondering if it has to do with the way suspicions were rolling at the time - confidence levels and whatnot. Wishywashy on Palmar bad. Scum read on redFF I'm a little suspicious of Sandroba's defense of Palmar yesterday, primarily because he commented on the fact that no one was defending him - in the same post he was defending him. He was one of those of the opinion that Palmar should be 'kept alive to prove himself', but that's certainly not a scum-tell of any kind. His case on Lanaia was...not. I'm leaning scum on Sandroba. Really? You miss what I wrote about him? Rng voting, Lists, ignoring questions? Mkay. On December 07 2011 05:58 hyshes wrote: And again syllogism is making the town atmosphere worse. So someone just had a final exam and you pose, somewhat aggressive, why he didn't post? And of course you don't leave it with 1 question about a stupid topic. This creates really a bad town atmosphere and I'm marking your play now as anti-town. Your question do not help town in any way. Dude this is the most pleasant game I've played in in months. Seriously. Nobody is attacking Annuls integrity as a human being. Nobody is posting "You're a moron" every other post. I wish all games were like this one. Syllo is pressuring Annul a bit. He's looking for reactions and responses. There is nothing anti town about it. I'm leaving work shortly and I have bowling tonight. I wont see you guys again until tomorrow morning. | ||
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I'm drunk. I'm well beyond the point of caring if I'm alive or not when I wake up tomorrow. But I'm fucking saving this for posterity. On December 07 2011 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Hey all, please cut down on the one liner spam. Incog has asked at least twice already and I have received a PM from a player about the spam situation. This will be the last warning before more serious consequences begin to appear. | ||
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And this is gonna take 50 try agains before it posts. | ||
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On December 08 2011 12:13 Radfield wrote: I'm going to tell you right now that you are not alone Zephridd There are legions of townies who 'get a bad feeling' about me between the end of day one and end of day two when I am town. It honestly happens every single game to me. Someone should figure out why and tell me so I can fix it You are on the Solid Town list for a very specific reason. I'm not going to go into it deeper than that. All the other people missing from those three lists are pretty null. I either haven't relooked over them, they are very inactive, or I simply don't have a great read. I will also add that hyshes probably doesn't belong on my prob scum list, he is much more null at this point. Also keep in mind that the Drazerk claim of a roleblock immune medic who has to claim night 1 is a joke. It's either a joke by Incog, or a joke by Drazerk. In LOTR Drazerk claimed medic during Day 2 for no apparent reason and actually managed to stay alive until the end of the game, and I think he even made a save. If you see a problem with my list then let me hear it. Don't just snipe. I hope you realize I am also one of strongest voices in the thread against a Palmar lynch? Problem is I don't like annul either, and I don't have a good fallback target since I'm leaning more and more town on you. I will say this, I'm willing to lynch sandro if he doesn't start being more useful. He has almost zero contribution at this point, when he should be starting to pinpoint scum. Hi Radfield. Could you answer a couple of questions for me? 1. Why did you omit me from your list? You were suspicious of me on day 1. Did you leave me off just to give me a warm fuzzy feeling about you? 2. You have Annul on your "maybe town" section but two posts later you don't like him. Which is it? 3. You have prplhz on your "prob scum" section but again 2 posts later you're leaning more and more town on him. Part of your analysis on him previously was his vote on Annul. So are you flip flopping Annul and Prplhz on your list? If so why such a rapid change of opinion? These appear to be contradictions to me. A wee bit of waffling. Could you help me try to understand where you are coming from? | ||
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On December 09 2011 00:03 Palmar wrote: Jackal58: Can you please help me beat sense into this town. I'll gladly help you lynch Radfield later. I can't really. I don't fully agree with your case on Annul nor do I fully believe you are town. I will say I think both of you are horrible lynch targets for today. If you're really town let's not wait til later on Rad. Statements like this are scummy as hell though. On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote: Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next? Do you know something about Palmar and Annuls alignments you'd like to share with us Matt? | ||
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On December 09 2011 00:07 Mattchew wrote: lol what? Please explain to me why you are actually willing to do this. Please explain to me why you actually proposed it. | ||
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On December 09 2011 00:16 Palmar wrote: Mattchew is actually arguing that this would be a terrible idea, so i think he simply wanted to gauge my reactions. Ya I caught up. He must be learning from you. | ||
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On December 09 2011 00:18 Toadesstern wrote: I think he said he thinks palmar is scum and therefore annul has to be town. I am still miracously on a town-read on palmar so I got to disagree here. I think he's just an overconfident guy who hates it when he's not in controle. He screwed day1 and lost controle of this game, he started playing more serious and did a lot of lurking. He's probably stubborn enoug to tell himself something along the lines "well I'm going to show them that they SHOULD trust me and will deliver a mafia" to get back in controle / be confirmed townie so that people are listening to what he says because that's what he wants. He wants to be in charge and lead the investigation. That's why I think he might be tunneling (because he thinks he needs to find a mafia right now) and I don't think his case on annul is better than my case on erandorr. Might be wrong with my analysis of palmar though. Do you think he's bussing Annul? | ||
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On December 09 2011 01:01 Radfield wrote: Do you think Palmar is still scum annul? If not him then who? Who else do you think is scummy, who should be our lynch today? @Palmar, that's a much better case, and one I can get behind. Originally I felt his 'blueslip' catch made him seem townie in origin, not so sure now though. The fact that he came into the thread and asked for a recap is generally not something mafia would do. However this is very much true: His claim of being hit also struck me as genuine: But looking at it again reminds me of how I felt taking a hit as third party in PYP1. In general when you take a hit, you DO NOT claim how(vet or medic) but simply just let the thread know you took a hit. However when you take a hit as mafia(saved by town) you immediately claim the medic save, RoL in Closed Casket did the exact same thing. Why? Because being saved by a town medic buys you townie credit. He also very quickly agreed to the idea that mafia did not hit him, but syllo did. Maybe that's because the evidence is decent, but if syllo was suspicious of me during the night and I took a hit I would not immediately accept that syllo must have shot me. ##Vote: Annul Yep, reads change. As I said, I'm warming up on prplhz, and as should have been obvious from my posting, I had conflicting thoughts on annul. That's why they were both question marks. You completely disappeared, and have basically been inactive this entire game. Other than the slight pressure I've tossed your way, you have commented on almost nothing(which unfortunately your town meta can support). In addition you were basically absent for 1-2 days, that moves you back towards null. Obviously if you continue to not comment or push any scum reads then you will move back towards red. I get that you think I'm scum, now move on and do something productive. Ask yourself this: If I am scum, is this the best scum game I have ever played? If I am town, is this about where I am most day 2's, maybe slightly more scattered? Which do you think more likely? This is not an argument, just a question. Not even one you have to answer right now. Actually I don't know what to think of you. That's why I asked. Reading most of your early day 2 posts had me leaning towards town on you for the first time this game. And then in a single post you flip flopped your stance on the 2 people garnering the largest amount of scrutiny today. One of whom you put the cross hairs on in prplhz. So ya I really don't know what to make of you. And I am commenting and trying to discern scum. It just happens to be you I'm focused upon atm. If you like I'll put forward my own list I have of where I think various peoples loyalties lay. | ||
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On December 09 2011 01:29 Radfield wrote: I'm mostly interested in who you think are scummy and why Jackal. Though I'm also interested in which part of Palmar's case on annul you like, and which parts you don't(which you alluded to). But from my perspective I know none of your reads, because you are focused almost entirely on me. Townish: prplhz Toadesstern Null: Palmar annul vaderseven Mattchew Erandorr Lanaia hyshes Zephirdd Scummish: VisceraEyes Radfield redFF Drazerk Not enough info to make a judgement of any kind: Refallen sandroba TruthBringer kingjames01 Corrupt Risen Regarding Palmars case on Annul, I agree with Palmar regarding Annul's activity level and quality of posts. I disagree with the assertion that since he claimed to be shot he must be scum. But my biggest problem with the entire case is the fact that Palmar made it. I have read his filter about a hundred times already and I keep coming to the same conclusion. I simply don't know wtf he is. What I do know about Palmar is he is able to manipulate people in a manner few if any here can do. So ya I'd much rather give Annul a day to redeem himself than jump on anything Palmar has put forth. I would much rather a lynch of one of those on my not enough info list. I don't really see any of them stepping up their contribution levels any time soon. | ||
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On December 09 2011 02:24 TruthBringer wrote: I will switch my vote to the highest vote receiver before daytime ends if doing so is necessary to cause a hanging. On a different matter: The death of supersoft seemed odd. He seemed ambiguous as to whether he was town or mafia. Of course, mafia want to kill people who are obviously townies, so that when it comes to voting, everyone is a suspect. He also isn't a power player as far as I know. I know he didn't make that 6-player list of Radfield, Palmar, redFF, syllogism, Jackal58, and Sandroba. So why was he killed? I can think of somebody who had a motive to kill him: Lanaia. Supersoft made a sexist comment about girls always contradicting themselves. I think that comment was inappropriate but Lanaia appeared to take it in stride. But maybe she got the last laugh and killed supersoft for it. It is enough to put Lanaia on my radar anyways. Add this guy to my summyish list Radfield. | ||
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On December 09 2011 02:51 TruthBringer wrote: The part that you bolded is me indicating that I would prefer to hang someone today rather than not hang. How is that scummy? Because you apparently don't care who it is. | ||
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On December 09 2011 03:19 TruthBringer wrote: That's an argument for me NOT being mafia if I don't care who it is . . . care to expound how that makes me mafia? Only scum don't care if they are hammering a townie. | ||
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On December 09 2011 04:43 Erandorr wrote: Oh shit. Someone is making sense! By the way, I actually didn't sheep Palmar, I came to that conclusion on my own. It was just kinda funny ^.^ Who? About what? | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:52 Drazerk wrote: Just post it now doing what you are doing now is going to make everyone want to lynch you more causing an imminent death regardless If Annul is town and there is a role claim involved I'd rather he didn't claim anything right now. | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:42 Toadesstern wrote: I am just quoting myself because everyone is ignoring it. Palmar answer this one: You think erandorr is a bad case based of what he does and based of what I said so far? It's AGAIN the same thing. He made that one post 13 pages ago that made everyone think "oh that poor little guy, he even thinks Toads case is good, can't be mafia". And he instantly went into lurkingmode again just to come out now to make a single post that got 2 posts of nothing. I will be sitting there post game telling you that I told you erandorr was a good case, I even told you what erandorr is going to to and he did it twice now. And he's ignoring it again. Yell yeah, that's the way a townie is playing this game, let's all withdraw our votes from erandorr... I'm not ignoring it. I was filtering Erandor again. + Show Spoiler + If anybody is interested http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212&user=117613&user=117613 I am going to vote Errandorr. If it's information we're after his flip will go a long way to shed light on redff's roleblock claim. I don't know that I've ever been in a game with 2 role blockers. My first reaction was to call bs on red's claim. But after hitting Errandors filter again I see they are twin brothers. Red just swears more. ##Vote: Erandorr | ||
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On December 09 2011 07:18 vaderseven wrote: Holy replacement timing batman! This really makes me believe erandors 'im sick' defense and I send him a fell better wish via this post. IMO, this brings us back to annul/palmar. I was getting into the case on erandor but now his defense seems too good to just ignore like I was preparing to. I know that is pretty meta but it just seems rash to lynch a guy that replaced in like this considering he nature of the case leading up to now. tl;dr - replacement is a soft confirmation of real life making it impossible to play and that soft confirmation really destroys alot of the case in my eyes. Or is it a modkill/replacement for calling Drazerk names? | ||
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##Unvote: Erandorr ##Vote: redff | ||
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I mean really that's a stupid question. | ||
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redFF Sandroba Drazerk Annul I'm 50/50 on whatever he is. If we didn't have 3 others that are definitely scum I'd probably vote for him today. But I'm not putting a fifty fifty ahead of 3 others that I'd call 95/5 Drazerk - I can sort of understand your supposed night 1 claim. However I'm not buying it when you state you're going to protect a DT. That's just pure scum move. redFF - You say to compare this game to your scum meta. OK. This is your scum meta. If Sandroba is town I'm fucking Santa Claus. This is not town Sandroba at work. | ||
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On December 12 2011 05:56 Drazerk wrote: Lies snowball... once you don't die it becomes worse and worse. Bullshit. If you were town you would have come clean once your teammates didn't kill you night 1. | ||
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On December 12 2011 07:07 Zephirdd wrote: *sigh* at this rate we'll end up with a no-lynch. Just freaking kill xsksc already. annul and Drazerk are not the best lynches, they are far from it IMO. Too much uncertainty in it. redFF also feels too weird for me. seriously, xsksc is the only choice here that is safe. Corrupt was scummy, xsksc is scum. Just do it already. Palmar, I really doubt you are lynching annul today unless scum decides to jump into it with full strength; if you are really that mad over him at least wait a day or so; We NEED this red lynch. If Annul is town I'd say scum is already on him "full strength" | ||
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On December 12 2011 07:16 Palmar wrote: Thanks Zephirdd. Jackal, we need you on this case too, because once I've gone to sleep, the idiots will have 4-5 hours to unvote him. Answer me this Palmar - If Annul is scum why didn't he just blow your head off with 1 minute left? You're dead, it forces a no-lynch. That's my hang up right now. | ||
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On December 12 2011 07:26 Palmar wrote: If Annul was town, why didn't he just shoot me? His entire effort of scumhunting before this day was to call me scum based on me trolling on day one. I expected him to do exactly what you said, however, you're basically saying he's not scum because he hasn't played optimally for scum, but has he played optimally for town? Far away from it. I think he pulled a gambit, thinking that he could trick town into believing his shit, and it paid off. To be fair I resisted calling you scum for the same reasons he called you scum. I was far from convinced you were town. That being said if I had a day vig shot I still wouldn't have shot you. I would have blown redFF's face off and let shit happen. But this is all pointless speculation. Nobody ever gives me a gun. I'm gonna go through it all again. I've apparently got a hammer but I'm not convinced I'm going to hit the right fucking nail. Annul why didn't you just pull the fucking trigger? | ||
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On December 12 2011 08:28 Palmar wrote: The only good thing that can possibly come out of this is that there is a chance redFF is scum too. But I was leaning towards his reasons for not supporting my case last night being just bad. I mean, the guy has only voted townies so far (me, prplhz, hier). But I think redFF could be scum, I know annul is scum. I think Annul could be scum. I know redFF is. | ||
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Stuff Interesting? If Palmar is scum I'm Prince Charles. | ||
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Sorry Palmar. Just because I believe you to be town doesn't mean I believe you to be right. | ||
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On December 13 2011 09:07 annul wrote: because i am obviously town? because you dont lynch obvious blues? because results-oriented thinking is bad? because palmar never had a valid case whatsoever and chest-thumping does not constitute logic? because my accusers flat refuse to respond to my defenses? because faulting a player for trying to survive when faced with constant aggression is a terrible idea since people under attack will defend themselves regardless of their color? because i may be the only active player in this game that has not lied once, unlike my accusers in my instances? because the mafia knows my hunting skills are tremendous (see 47) and have tried to take me out of play by putting me on defense from the beginning? i mean i can continue So tell me Nimrod, who's scum? | ||
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On December 15 2011 01:49 Drazerk wrote: Jackal you still need to vote annul. I need to read the last 2 days worth of stuff. It's lunchtime at work and my first chance to be here. Catching up be back later. | ||
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On December 15 2011 06:41 sandroba wrote: Man this thread depresses me greatly. We were supposed to have moved on from this day2. Ya I know. I'd much rather be lynching you today. Pretty much everybody I feel are solid scum in this game is voting for Annul. So you guys are either bussing him or he's town. | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:38 Lanaia wrote: Sorry guys, had some RL issues to attend to. I'm back, and I am not going to lynch V7 today as I've had a town read on him for ages. I kind of wish none of the medics had ever claimed. Maybe then at least one of palmar/zeph would be alive. May I ask who are your solid scumreads? I think it's better to wait until after lynch before we focus on tomorrow. I'm not sure why, but it feels a bit more logical... Mattchew, why don't you answer your own question? Sandroba, Drazerk, KJ, You, | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:56 sandroba wrote: LOL GG /dance 0_o | ||
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On December 16 2011 02:44 xsksc wrote: We should be trying to lynch the RB, we have 4 confirmed scum to pick from, what makes you think sandroba is the RB? I have no fucking clue which is which. Why don't you just ask them nice. Or do you want to turn this into 4 days of pissing and moaning about which one we should kill next? | ||
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On December 16 2011 02:54 xsksc wrote: The fuck? No, you could try and actually THINK about the situation just a little. Why are you getting so angry? If we can possibly get their RB instead of a goon, why rush the lynch? I'm confused by your attitude, really. I doubt they would use Sandroba to claim scum if he's their rb, it's probably Risen/Viscera or the last scum who we don't know yet. I agree that it's most likely the one we don't know. You wanna start lynching the unknown and let them back in the game? I'm all for killing the ones we do know. Problem? | ||
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On December 16 2011 03:05 xsksc wrote: I never suggested lynching the unknown, obviously we're gonna lynch the confirmed scum, but don't start with Sandroba. He's almost certainly goon, Viscera/Risen have a much higher chance of flipping a role. Alright I'm fine with that. As long as we are not running around trying to lynch an unknown quantity. Pick one, anyone, and my vote is there. | ||
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On December 16 2011 03:22 TruthBringer wrote: I don't really have a read on what roles each of the mafia players has, so I'll just hang whichever of them. This. I'll change my vote to Risen. | ||
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On December 16 2011 03:38 kingjames01 wrote: I just wanted to bring this up: We know that 2 players (supersoft and syllogism) died during Night 1 which we can probably attribute to the mafia but we do not know FOR CERTAIN that syllogism took the shot. annul may have been lying. That would then mean that Toadesstern was also lying. Do we actually know that Toadesstern is a medic? All I know for certain is we had 5 cretins dancing on our collective graves last night and they stepped on their collective dicks in the process. | ||
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It is done. | ||
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Just in case it needs to be here as well. | ||
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On December 19 2011 03:09 vaderseven wrote: jackal, reread what i said and tell me what you did wrong I did nothing wrong. Hyshes has 3 votes on him. He's lynched. Game over. I am Floridian. | ||
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On December 19 2011 04:18 hyshes wrote: never mind, just found out what a floridian is. So i'm dead? Yes you're dead. On December 19 2011 04:19 kingjames01 wrote: haha. Nice! =) That was a decisive end. Jackal, are you Town or Mafia Floridian? Lemme put it this way. You lose. You guys have no night actions remaining. | ||
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On December 19 2011 04:51 vaderseven wrote: I learned a valuable lesson about non themed closed setups and it fucked even one over. Fucking noob play by me day 2. The lesson here is never ever ever attempt to follow a plan put forth by known scum. | ||
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On December 19 2011 06:13 xsksc wrote: The Fuhrer will be most displeased I imagine.. GG That was the best part of the game. I almost felt bad for him. | ||
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On December 19 2011 06:15 syllogism wrote: Your strategy was awful and had no chance of working if it weren't for the fact you basically had ~5 townies working for your team. The setup may have been slightly town favored, but it was very much winnable without giving away your whole team on day 2 Ya I wasn't real keen on the massive outing on the Sandroba vote. We could have given up Annul and Sandroba and still won out. But some people wanted to go for a flawless victory. I just wanted a win. At that point I didn't really see how we could lose it. | ||
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On December 19 2011 06:20 syllogism wrote: There was nothing left to prove. Annul was repeatedly shown to be mafia, but this group of townies just refused to listen. If they can't recognize mafia in a situation like that, I don't think they ever will I gave them an easy lynch in redff. An even easier one in Sandroba. | ||
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On December 19 2011 07:09 Drazerk wrote: I knew I made a huge blunder in day one that I wouldn't be able to come back from and that scum would try to mislynch me, from that point on I was just trying to get scum to shoot me which they didn't just causing me more and more frustration the longer I stayed alive until it all blew up in my face. Moral of the story: Never Vote Palmar We spent two days trying to figure out wtf you were. In the end we decided you were probably dangerous to visit and just left you alone. | ||
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On December 19 2011 07:20 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't understand, what blunder did you commit day 1 that forced you to make a ludicrous fake claim? That was the blunder. | ||
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All I had to do was hope for a vote on somebody that wasn't me at that point. It wasn't really fair to town. You should have waited an hour or two before posting. At least call for night actions. You outed town. | ||
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On December 19 2011 07:37 Risen wrote: Couldn't town have sent theirs in and they were actually waiting on you? So many points in this game had me laughing my ass off. Palmar's valiant stand was one of the better points I've had playing Mafia ((I've played a whopping 3 games >.>)) Night post - My hit - Day post. inside of 6 minutes or so. Nobody posting in the game at the time. Hyshes had a post about 45 minutes before the night post. I knew what it meant. | ||
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On December 19 2011 09:02 Curu wrote: lol that's a joke. If any of the capable Town players had survived (or had anyone even listened to them) Town likely had an overwhelming victory. I was talking with syllogism and we were able to establish Jackal as scum and redFF as Town in the first like 10 pages. You had Radfield and syllo pointing out how scummy Jackal was, you had Radfield AND syllo AND Palmar all telling you that annul was 100% scum. You had Toadesstern saying ridiculous shit like"I think annul is Mafia but since vaderseven said he is Town I will listen to vaderseven" which is basically CLAIMING MAFIA. The last minute switch to redFF I think is the worst play I have ever seen out of a Town in the history of Mafia games. It's hilarious how the three best players in the game all accuse annul and all die and almost the entire scum team was bussing annul when he first came under pressure and Town still refused to lynch him. There is a reason Radfield, Syllo, Palmar died early. And getting redFF lynched instead of Annul is more about brilliant scum play than bad town play. Give us a little credit man. Bad town play happens when you have a very active scum team. We had a hyperactive scum team. I was the least active of us and I still outposted half the townies in the game. | ||
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On December 19 2011 10:05 Palmar wrote: This post, both the content, the thought process behind it, is the reason prplhz is quickly becoming one of the best players on this forum. Awesome job in your recent games as town prplhz. Jackal played a very strong scum game, pretty unsurprising I guess, he's awesome as scum. The redFF lynch was well... kinda ok scumplay, remember that I tore apart Zephirdd's case against redFF on day 2. I don't think it was terribly bad town play either, of course it was far from optimal. I think the main problem was redFF himself, he had such a bad game this time around, his reads were all way off. Happens to everyone though, he's a decent player. Refallen, you did sort of well this game. Lanaia, Mattchew, Drazerk, Vaderseven, Kingjames, Truthbringer, you all really, really need to step up your game. I'm sorry for not being clear enough with the case against annul, I really should have gotten him lynched, but having to go to sleep 5 hours before the deadline is kinda hard. I'd rate my play this game okay. Scum played "well" given the situation. Any non-retarded town would've completely smashed you guys, but you correctly read the situation and realized you could get away with this. That's very good call on your behalf, and man, Jackal is such a fucking monster as scum. I hope you all liked my video Thanks Palmar. I'm only good at scum when I don't try to make some stupid claim. I do that about half the time. And I couldn't comment on your video the way I eally felt I should have at the time I saw it. My response when I saw it was Aww dude. I'm sorry, but I'm scum. WBG the mass outing on day 4 wasn't stupid. It was brilliant. It destroyed any and all ability for town to scum hunt or analyze. xtstc tried and I jumped his ass for it immediately. Any discussion would appear scummy. Town had 5 people to lynch. Let's lynch them and then deal with the remaining scum. We discussed this in the IRQ. From the possibility to a win because of the mislynch to who should we hide if it goes down to worse case scenario of 3 vs 1. At the point we did that we gagged town. We only needed 1 wrong vote. Just 1 wrong vote. We got it. Don't call it stupid. It was intentional. It was planned. It was calculated. I wasn't completely sold on it when it went into action and I told the guys. But it was not bad play. Even if I had been immediately lynched today it was not bad play. It turned the game for us. Just 1 wrong vote man. We got it. | ||
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On December 19 2011 10:16 wherebugsgo wrote: so you're saying that every standard game ever played in the TL Mafia subforum has been grossly town favored? LOL. You don't sacrifice FIVE scum to no-lynch, and I am certain every single one of your teammates would agree on that. I already know VE and sandro agree with me on that. Ya you do. Hell Sandro was the one that "accidentally" scum slipped. That was no accident. That was my idea. Toad refined it Sandro executed it. I was the first person to quote it just to make sure everybody saw it. Good job picking it up and running with it Bum. | ||
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On December 19 2011 10:30 wherebugsgo wrote: again, no you don't. I even talked to sandro about it; the idea was to sacrifice himself to get the no-lynch, with toad and annul perhaps following after. There was no reason for VE and Risen to die. Dude. VE wanted to bus Sandro from day 1. Even if it meant outing himself all he wanted was to kill Sandro. I think every post Risen made was "sorry guys I've been out vote random townie" He was dead as soon as he voted for Sandro. Toad had wanted to post I AM SCUM at the beginning of all of his posts for 2 days. Annul was raging about balance. Sandroba was awol for the entire game and bussing Annul the entire time. I suggested the scum slip and they all loved it. It fucking worked. Don't tell me how stupid it was. You weren't privy to the most dysfunctional scum team ever. I deferred to Annul on kills and role blocks but most of the time I was in the IRQ telling every body to stop being stupid. To stop trying to be a hero. To forget about a perfect game. The move was fucking brilliant. It was the only time in the entire game all the cowboys were on the same page. | ||
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You really don't get what I just said do you? This team would not have lasted 3 more day/night cycles. This was the very best scenario giving us the very best opportunity to win. | ||
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Worst town moves from my perspective. Claiming DT. Boom death sentence. Claiming Medic. Boom Role block. Allowing Palmar to die the second time we hit him. Should have been on him V7. Considering a no lynch today. | ||
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A question on your analysis regarding my day 1 play - Am I really that aggressive as town? | ||
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On December 19 2011 12:59 GGQ wrote: I only read the last few days of the game. I still would've voted jackal. You always vote jackal, people. Unless you're in the game of course. <3 | ||
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On December 19 2011 13:22 Curu wrote: Yes lol. Do you remember Werewolves? I was so sure you were scum because you had rabid blind aggression towards Nisani who was quite obviously Town. You flipping Town blew my mind. Likewise in Kurumi's game, you were attacking people and pushing them hard. After seeing you attack Palmar so mildly and so timidly in this game I was sure after your first post in this game you were scum. Nisani wasn't obvious anything at that point. And I think I understand what you're saying. I was very assertive. Not aggressive. | ||
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On December 19 2011 13:41 Refallen wrote: Thank you hosts for hosting this game Should I have claimed medic? Only if Palmar threatens to shoot you in the face. I prefer blowing him up though when he does that. | ||
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On December 19 2011 20:36 wherebugsgo wrote: The day two case, IMO, was strengthened immensely by annul passing his shot off to the person who was "most townie." The fact that Toad wasn't willing to pick his own scumread was even more damning of both of them. Neither player ultimately "chose" the target; Toad used Radfield's read on prpl to try and absolve himself of responsibility. People don't do that as town. If you were in Toad's position, would you have picked annul's target? If yes, would you have picked annul's target by choosing someone else's scumread over your own? If you were in annul's position as town, would you have passed your shot off? (clearly no, as you didn't pass it off day 1) Annul essentially claimed scum by not choosing who to shoot. I would have shot Palmar in the face as scum or town. Just because. | ||
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On December 20 2011 00:23 Palmar wrote: I used my 4k post to give jackal a heart. That's pretty nice of me. | ||
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It was gone. But now it's back. MAJIKS!!!!!!! | ||
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On December 20 2011 07:31 wherebugsgo wrote: Yeah Jackal you are a lot more aggressive as town. It's how I caught you in Resurrection and Cosmic. In LoTR after like an hour of tunneling you reacted in such an aggressive manner that I figured you were town. I don't remember Cosmic. I still think my best scum performance was in Eldritch Horror. I managed to take that to end game by myself through 4 or 5 days. I think I directed every town lynch. Of course shooting you made that all possible. | ||
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On December 20 2011 09:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Cosmic=eldritch horror. That was the game I replaced into and I was like oh yeah Jackal+Forumite scum! And then got shot because the deadline was at 6 am so I went to sleep instead of posting my case. Ahh ya. That was the game where your only post was "Hey all. I''ll post my reads after the day post" Boom. | ||
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