On December 19 2011 06:13 xsksc wrote:
The Fuhrer will be most displeased I imagine..
GG
The Fuhrer will be most displeased I imagine..
GG
That was the best part of the game. I almost felt bad for him.
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Jackal58
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On December 19 2011 06:13 xsksc wrote: The Fuhrer will be most displeased I imagine.. GG That was the best part of the game. I almost felt bad for him. | ||
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On December 19 2011 06:15 syllogism wrote: Your strategy was awful and had no chance of working if it weren't for the fact you basically had ~5 townies working for your team. The setup may have been slightly town favored, but it was very much winnable without giving away your whole team on day 2 Ya I wasn't real keen on the massive outing on the Sandroba vote. We could have given up Annul and Sandroba and still won out. But some people wanted to go for a flawless victory. I just wanted a win. At that point I didn't really see how we could lose it. | ||
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On December 19 2011 06:20 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2011 06:18 xsksc wrote: Sorry town, I didn't put enough effort into proving that Annul and Toad were scum. I thought it was obvious but I guess I should have worked harder. There was nothing left to prove. Annul was repeatedly shown to be mafia, but this group of townies just refused to listen. If they can't recognize mafia in a situation like that, I don't think they ever will I gave them an easy lynch in redff. An even easier one in Sandroba. | ||
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On December 19 2011 07:09 Drazerk wrote: I knew I made a huge blunder in day one that I wouldn't be able to come back from and that scum would try to mislynch me, from that point on I was just trying to get scum to shoot me which they didn't just causing me more and more frustration the longer I stayed alive until it all blew up in my face. Moral of the story: Never Vote Palmar We spent two days trying to figure out wtf you were. In the end we decided you were probably dangerous to visit and just left you alone. | ||
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On December 19 2011 07:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2011 07:09 Drazerk wrote: I knew I made a huge blunder in day one that I wouldn't be able to come back from and that scum would try to mislynch me, from that point on I was just trying to get scum to shoot me which they didn't just causing me more and more frustration the longer I stayed alive until it all blew up in my face. Moral of the story: Never Vote Palmar I don't understand, what blunder did you commit day 1 that forced you to make a ludicrous fake claim? That was the blunder. | ||
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All I had to do was hope for a vote on somebody that wasn't me at that point. It wasn't really fair to town. You should have waited an hour or two before posting. At least call for night actions. You outed town. | ||
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On December 19 2011 07:37 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2011 07:36 Jackal58 wrote: A bit of advice for the hosts. If you are running a game that has had the time constraints removed from it don't post the day post seconds after mafia sends in their night actions. When Incog did that I knew that town had no night actions remaining. All I had to do was hope for a vote on somebody that wasn't me at that point. It wasn't really fair to town. You should have waited an hour or two before posting. At least call for night actions. You outed town. Couldn't town have sent theirs in and they were actually waiting on you? So many points in this game had me laughing my ass off. Palmar's valiant stand was one of the better points I've had playing Mafia ((I've played a whopping 3 games >.>)) Night post - My hit - Day post. inside of 6 minutes or so. Nobody posting in the game at the time. Hyshes had a post about 45 minutes before the night post. I knew what it meant. | ||
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On December 19 2011 09:02 Curu wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2011 06:47 hyshes wrote: Maybe i'm a bit inactive, but v7 is to blaim. And in no hell this game was town-favored. You give up 5 out of 6 scum for free and you can still win? lol that's a joke. If any of the capable Town players had survived (or had anyone even listened to them) Town likely had an overwhelming victory. I was talking with syllogism and we were able to establish Jackal as scum and redFF as Town in the first like 10 pages. You had Radfield and syllo pointing out how scummy Jackal was, you had Radfield AND syllo AND Palmar all telling you that annul was 100% scum. You had Toadesstern saying ridiculous shit like"I think annul is Mafia but since vaderseven said he is Town I will listen to vaderseven" which is basically CLAIMING MAFIA. The last minute switch to redFF I think is the worst play I have ever seen out of a Town in the history of Mafia games. It's hilarious how the three best players in the game all accuse annul and all die and almost the entire scum team was bussing annul when he first came under pressure and Town still refused to lynch him. There is a reason Radfield, Syllo, Palmar died early. And getting redFF lynched instead of Annul is more about brilliant scum play than bad town play. Give us a little credit man. Bad town play happens when you have a very active scum team. We had a hyperactive scum team. I was the least active of us and I still outposted half the townies in the game. | ||
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On December 19 2011 10:05 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2011 06:51 prplhz wrote: Well, I was actually referring to syllogism's "You guys will never improve"-thing. It's like when Ace made that post saying "Everybody sucks" and then just left it there, I have played like 50 games and I still suck but I only really started improving after a lot of nice people started me giving some really good advice I think people here need to listen to the people who are considered good players a lot more (one of the advice I myself was given at some point and that drastically improved my play). Learn to get a good read on them and learn how they play and then put them in the spot light, there they will either perform or they will out themselves. Learn to read the special cases that are the experienced players first and then listen to what they have to say 'cause they're often right, or they will sound stupid, then move on to start scum hunting for real yourself. Town hunting is a lot easier I'd say Also, if one good player says something and 10 not-so-good players say something else, it's usually the good player who is right. Dunno, I really shouldn't be giving advice but that's my take on this game. I was actually not entirely convinced about annul either, but I was very sure that Palmar was town and I was very sure that syllogism had shot annul, so that was two good players saying that a guy was definitely scum, and that very often means that he's scum. Also, yea Drazerk you need a break from mafia I think You had a god damn mental break down this game. Totally contrary to how you played in XLVII which I enjoyed a lot This post, both the content, the thought process behind it, is the reason prplhz is quickly becoming one of the best players on this forum. Awesome job in your recent games as town prplhz. Jackal played a very strong scum game, pretty unsurprising I guess, he's awesome as scum. The redFF lynch was well... kinda ok scumplay, remember that I tore apart Zephirdd's case against redFF on day 2. I don't think it was terribly bad town play either, of course it was far from optimal. I think the main problem was redFF himself, he had such a bad game this time around, his reads were all way off. Happens to everyone though, he's a decent player. Refallen, you did sort of well this game. Lanaia, Mattchew, Drazerk, Vaderseven, Kingjames, Truthbringer, you all really, really need to step up your game. I'm sorry for not being clear enough with the case against annul, I really should have gotten him lynched, but having to go to sleep 5 hours before the deadline is kinda hard. I'd rate my play this game okay. Scum played "well" given the situation. Any non-retarded town would've completely smashed you guys, but you correctly read the situation and realized you could get away with this. That's very good call on your behalf, and man, Jackal is such a fucking monster as scum. I hope you all liked my video Thanks Palmar. I'm only good at scum when I don't try to make some stupid claim. I do that about half the time. And I couldn't comment on your video the way I eally felt I should have at the time I saw it. My response when I saw it was Aww dude. I'm sorry, but I'm scum. WBG the mass outing on day 4 wasn't stupid. It was brilliant. It destroyed any and all ability for town to scum hunt or analyze. xtstc tried and I jumped his ass for it immediately. Any discussion would appear scummy. Town had 5 people to lynch. Let's lynch them and then deal with the remaining scum. We discussed this in the IRQ. From the possibility to a win because of the mislynch to who should we hide if it goes down to worse case scenario of 3 vs 1. At the point we did that we gagged town. We only needed 1 wrong vote. Just 1 wrong vote. We got it. Don't call it stupid. It was intentional. It was planned. It was calculated. I wasn't completely sold on it when it went into action and I told the guys. But it was not bad play. Even if I had been immediately lynched today it was not bad play. It turned the game for us. Just 1 wrong vote man. We got it. | ||
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On December 19 2011 10:16 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2011 10:09 annul wrote: so WBG it seems like your argument is "other games have shit balance so its okay that my game has shit balance too" our sacrifice play was correct. barring 1%> chances of the correct power roles doing their shit, our day 4 play won the game, NATURALLY the miracle saves occurred, but that doesnt make the play a bad play. the fact remains that in order to even get to that position we needed perfect play. so you're saying that every standard game ever played in the TL Mafia subforum has been grossly town favored? LOL. You don't sacrifice FIVE scum to no-lynch, and I am certain every single one of your teammates would agree on that. I already know VE and sandro agree with me on that. Ya you do. Hell Sandro was the one that "accidentally" scum slipped. That was no accident. That was my idea. Toad refined it Sandro executed it. I was the first person to quote it just to make sure everybody saw it. Good job picking it up and running with it Bum. | ||
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On December 19 2011 10:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2011 10:25 Jackal58 wrote: On December 19 2011 10:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On December 19 2011 10:09 annul wrote: so WBG it seems like your argument is "other games have shit balance so its okay that my game has shit balance too" our sacrifice play was correct. barring 1%> chances of the correct power roles doing their shit, our day 4 play won the game, NATURALLY the miracle saves occurred, but that doesnt make the play a bad play. the fact remains that in order to even get to that position we needed perfect play. so you're saying that every standard game ever played in the TL Mafia subforum has been grossly town favored? LOL. You don't sacrifice FIVE scum to no-lynch, and I am certain every single one of your teammates would agree on that. I already know VE and sandro agree with me on that. Ya you do. Hell Sandro was the one that "accidentally" scum slipped. That was no accident. That was my idea. Toad refined it Sandro executed it. I was the first person to quote it just to make sure everybody saw it. Good job picking it up and running with it Bum. again, no you don't. I even talked to sandro about it; the idea was to sacrifice himself to get the no-lynch, with toad and annul perhaps following after. There was no reason for VE and Risen to die. Dude. VE wanted to bus Sandro from day 1. Even if it meant outing himself all he wanted was to kill Sandro. I think every post Risen made was "sorry guys I've been out vote random townie" He was dead as soon as he voted for Sandro. Toad had wanted to post I AM SCUM at the beginning of all of his posts for 2 days. Annul was raging about balance. Sandroba was awol for the entire game and bussing Annul the entire time. I suggested the scum slip and they all loved it. It fucking worked. Don't tell me how stupid it was. You weren't privy to the most dysfunctional scum team ever. I deferred to Annul on kills and role blocks but most of the time I was in the IRQ telling every body to stop being stupid. To stop trying to be a hero. To forget about a perfect game. The move was fucking brilliant. It was the only time in the entire game all the cowboys were on the same page. | ||
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You really don't get what I just said do you? This team would not have lasted 3 more day/night cycles. This was the very best scenario giving us the very best opportunity to win. | ||
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Worst town moves from my perspective. Claiming DT. Boom death sentence. Claiming Medic. Boom Role block. Allowing Palmar to die the second time we hit him. Should have been on him V7. Considering a no lynch today. | ||
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