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On December 05 2011 02:24 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 19:38 Palmar wrote:
Sup.
If we assume the hosts went with the most obvious way of balancing the game, two people out of this list are scum:
Radfield
Palmar
Jackal
sandroba
syllogism
redFF
posts useless list Show nested quote +However I would never agree with lynching based on how we perceive the hosts balance games. They could just as well have randomized it or used some other method to balance it. the very next thing he says basically calls the list useless Show nested quote +What I'm more interested in is that 6/25 seems like an oddly high number of mafia for a normal setup. Do you think this is offset by lower mafia KP or multiple town power roles? I'm not sure what the point of this question is. Nobody (except maybe scum) knows for sure. It's pointless setup speculation to look like contributing with a hint of rolefishing. Show nested quote +In addition, how would you feel about randomly lynching on day 1. I mean completely random, we just have some kinda rng generator choose our lynch for the day. I'm fairly sure this isn't going to happen, dumb idea. Besides we could never trust the person generating the number to not influence it themselves in some way.
I promised to explain this when I came back.
redFF's case starts by pointing out that I'm making a list that's useless, and then immediately saying the list is useles.
He's correct.
Syllogism asked me a question, I answered the question, but explained why I didn't think the answer would hold any reasonable value to the game, thus pointing out why I thought syllo's question was not useful, even if I did deliver an answer. How this makes me scum? I have no fucking idea.
Then I ask syllogism, remember, this is only aimed at syllo to allow me to get a read on him, how he thinks the game is balanced. This has nothing to do with my alignment either. And the next person that accuses anyone of "rolefishing" will find himself receiving an internet facepound. That's how dumb I think it is.
and this post:
On December 05 2011 02:27 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 22:42 Palmar wrote:On December 04 2011 22:32 syllogism wrote:On December 04 2011 22:21 Palmar wrote:On December 04 2011 22:04 syllogism wrote:
Our EU players at the very least should be awake by now and posted: Corrupt, Erandorr, prplhz, Toadesstern. I would like to note that you are required to post at least once every 24h cycle.
Based on nothing at all, who would you lynch?
Palmar why did you ask me a question you knew how I would respond to? Did that reveal anything useful? Because I knew what your answer would be, but I was unsure how it would be formulated. Your chosen path was to to deny it decisively without trashing the idea. Which is interesting. You could've been much more careful or much more aggressive, you could have absolutely trashed the idea, or you could have carefully denied it. I'm not sure how to read it though. What made you initiate a discussion with me? Normally you just call me annoying until you figure out if I'm town or scum. I mean, I have done the same thing with sandroba, but what factors control your choice of target (me) and your change in play? You are European, likely awake and usually quite willing to start posting on your own. I don't recall ever calling you annoying, care to provide reference? I suppose the closest I can come up with is lotr where you weren't doing anything and I noted that. Annoying may not be the word you use, but just think about our last game as town together where I was running for mayor. Your approach towards me is not the same. he says syllo's play is different from his last game as town. It's being suspicious of him without actually saying anything concrete, this is how scum start wagons without anyone noticing they started it.
I know you know how syllogism and I play with each other. If I want him lynched people are going to notice. And not to mention, I have no interest in lynching syllogism day 1 as scum or town, I know he can be lazy as either alignment, and his scumplay isn't particularly scary so far, while his town play is some of the best on TL.
So yeah, this statement doesn't hold any value, your case is irrelevant. Please pull head out of ass.
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Could someone please explain what RNG and FOS stand for?
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RNG = random number generator (used to suggest something be done at random)
FOS = finger of suspicion (used to indicate you're suspicious of someone)
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On December 05 2011 19:30 Corrupt wrote:
Could someone please explain what RNG and FOS stand for?
RNG stands for "random number generator." Random number generators are used to randomize things. Occasionally people use the term "RNG" like a verb (i.e. let's RNG to decide who buys pizza today)
FOS stands for "finger of suspicion."
For a list of commonly used abbreviations in the game of mafia, I would suggest this webpage:
Mafiascum Wiki's List of Commonly Used Abbreviations
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Sandroba are you actually going to play this game? Give me a reason not to lynch you today. I find it a bit strange how few people have actually attacked you for being completely inactive and have instead focused on palmar.
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On December 05 2011 11:55 Incognito wrote:
StimilantE has been replaced by supersoft. (Yeah, I made a mistake)
Also, although its been pretty decent so far this game, please try to consolidate your posts to avoid triple posting. Thanks!
Hello!
this game feels like vacation compared to xlvii.
brb
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I don't think I "sk8" syllo, that's why people like trying to lynch me.
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Well I wanted palmar to get back in this thread and explain those things rather than just ignore them and he did, therefore I'm going to unvote first of all.
Palmar could you explain that one:
On December 04 2011 23:09 Palmar wrote:
Establishing your innocence is the first priority over anything else.
If you scumhunt, you might catch scum
If you establish your innocence you won't be lynched. If all townies won't be lynched, then the game has been solved. So yes, that should be syllos and everyone else's main concern. for me?
Stilled bugged me because finding out who's town day1 may sound easy because these things are easier to spot than scummy things but is it really going to happen?
What I said about this is that I could easily agree on that one on day 2 or day3, however on day1 I just think there's so much stuff that could make a red look pro-town as well.
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On December 05 2011 11:25 prplhz wrote:
I have VisceraEyes down as suspicious.
I have only a little meta with VisceraEyes and that is from way back so I don't know if it will be of any use. It hasn't been so far.
It looks like he really wants to get Palmar lynched. He is buddying too hard with redFF and taking his case a bit too seriously. I disagree with his criticism of Drazerk and this is the only thing he's contributed to this game anyway. I think it's weird that he doesn't want to be a part of the nice town atmosphere that he points out we have right now, but he just places his vote and leaves.
Wouldn't lynch but wouldn't miss him either. He has to post more.
It's normally a town-tell for VE to tunnel me.
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On December 05 2011 19:59 Toadesstern wrote:Well I wanted palmar to get back in this thread and explain those things rather than just ignore them and he did, therefore I'm going to unvote first of all. Palmar could you explain that one: Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 23:09 Palmar wrote:
Establishing your innocence is the first priority over anything else.
If you scumhunt, you might catch scum
If you establish your innocence you won't be lynched. If all townies won't be lynched, then the game has been solved. So yes, that should be syllos and everyone else's main concern. for me? Stilled bugged me because finding out who's town day1 may sound easy because these things are easier to spot than scummy things but is it really going to happen? What I said about this is that I could easily agree on that one on day 2 or day3, however on day1 I just think there's so much stuff that could make a red look pro-town as well.
It isn't going to happen lol... this is assuming 100% ideal play from town.
But the theory still works, if you establish your innocence, you've removed one town player from the pool of players that will potentially be lynched, and this statistically increased the chances of town lynching scum. The more town players that establish their innocence, the less chance town has of hitting town.
Should be simple enough.
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On December 05 2011 20:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 19:59 Toadesstern wrote:Well I wanted palmar to get back in this thread and explain those things rather than just ignore them and he did, therefore I'm going to unvote first of all. Palmar could you explain that one: On December 04 2011 23:09 Palmar wrote:
Establishing your innocence is the first priority over anything else.
If you scumhunt, you might catch scum
If you establish your innocence you won't be lynched. If all townies won't be lynched, then the game has been solved. So yes, that should be syllos and everyone else's main concern. for me? Stilled bugged me because finding out who's town day1 may sound easy because these things are easier to spot than scummy things but is it really going to happen? What I said about this is that I could easily agree on that one on day 2 or day3, however on day1 I just think there's so much stuff that could make a red look pro-town as well. It isn't going to happen lol... this is assuming 100% ideal play from town. But the theory still works, if you establish your innocence, you've removed one town player from the pool of players that will potentially be lynched, and this statistically increased the chances of town lynching scum. The more town players that establish their innocence, the less chance town has of hitting town. Should be simple enough.
Well the problem I got was that it just looked like telling people to post pro-town and trust those who are posting pro-town.
It just strikes me that you seem to want circle of confirmed townies, which is absolutly awesome but there's just so little (confirmed) information right now that I'm not sure what to think about it.
Surely you're not telling people to blindly trust someone because of his day1 actions but that's what I thought when I read that post of yours.
Also is that VisceraEyes (that's VE I guess?) something like a known player? I actually thought he might be a new guy having something like his 1st, 2nd or 3rd game and therefore is just overeager in finding red but if this guy is someone as good as the rest of the vets in this game it really does look strange.
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On December 05 2011 20:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 20:03 Palmar wrote:On December 05 2011 19:59 Toadesstern wrote:Well I wanted palmar to get back in this thread and explain those things rather than just ignore them and he did, therefore I'm going to unvote first of all. Palmar could you explain that one: On December 04 2011 23:09 Palmar wrote:
Establishing your innocence is the first priority over anything else.
If you scumhunt, you might catch scum
If you establish your innocence you won't be lynched. If all townies won't be lynched, then the game has been solved. So yes, that should be syllos and everyone else's main concern. for me? Stilled bugged me because finding out who's town day1 may sound easy because these things are easier to spot than scummy things but is it really going to happen? What I said about this is that I could easily agree on that one on day 2 or day3, however on day1 I just think there's so much stuff that could make a red look pro-town as well. It isn't going to happen lol... this is assuming 100% ideal play from town. But the theory still works, if you establish your innocence, you've removed one town player from the pool of players that will potentially be lynched, and this statistically increased the chances of town lynching scum. The more town players that establish their innocence, the less chance town has of hitting town. Should be simple enough. Well the problem I got was that it just looked like telling people to post pro-town and trust those who are posting pro-town. It just strikes me that you seem to want circle of confirmed townies, which is absolutly awesome but there's just so little (confirmed) information right now that I'm not sure what to think about it. Surely you're not telling people to blindly trust someone because of his day1 actions but that's what I thought when I read that post of yours. Also is that VisceraEyes (that's VE I guess?) something like a known player? I actually thought he might be a new guy having something like his 1st, 2nd or 3rd game and therefore is just overeager in finding red but if this guy is someone as good as the rest of the vets in this game it really does look strange.
VE has played a ton of mafia.
I remember playing 6 games with him, he lost 5 of those, and the one he won, he got lynched on day 1 as town.
So experienced, yes. Good... questionable.
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Establishing your innocence isn't just posting pro-town...
Scumhunting is one way of establishing your innocence, anyway, you're getting hung up in stupid stuff. let's go do something more useful.
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On December 05 2011 19:52 Palmar wrote:
I don't think I "sk8" syllo, that's why people like trying to lynch me.
So now that you are back, instead of reading the thread and being useful, you are here refreshing, answering meaningless questions and defending Sandroba. What do you think about sandroba so far? Who would you lynch?
Ignoring palmar/sandroba for now, l'll likely be choosing my lynch from the duo VE/Hier. Both have been mostly useless so far and VE/Hier's activity levels have been very low. In XLVII town Hier was quite active once he got started, while here so far his only post is a very disingenuous "case" against me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12594338
He for instance asserts that
If you were mafia, it would be advantageous for you to instigate pointless discussions that redirect players from hunting scum based on actual analysis and towards pointless lists that have been
If I was mafia? That phrasing seems to me to suggest that you know I'm not mafia, though that may be a bit of a stretch. Regardless, if you were actually interested in making a honest case, you would know those posts were among the first ones made and were there to generate discussion. There was no scum hunting going on; nothing to redirect. Then you go on to suggest defending someone else's innocence, which I haven't even been doing, is somehow indicative of someone being mafia, which is also incorrect. Being incorrect doesn't make you mafia, but your case doesn't feel genuine.
Refallen: Why did you emphasize before and after the game started that you are new? Do you think it's important for us to know that we can't expect much from you yet?
Mattchew: zero content posts from you so far. The only reason you aren't yet one of my lynch candidates is because your only other game was scum so I can't tell if this is typical of you. If you are town, you need to start playing or you will definitely be lynched or vigied.
The list of useless people is quite long so far, so it would be helpful if people actually started posting.
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On December 05 2011 20:31 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 19:52 Palmar wrote:
I don't think I "sk8" syllo, that's why people like trying to lynch me. So now that you are back, instead of reading the thread and being useful, you are here refreshing, answering meaningless questions and defending Sandroba. What do you think about sandroba so far? Who would you lynch?
Not sure yet. Where did I defend Sandroba? I don't recall even mentioning him.
Just finished my first readthrough of the thread, don't expect a verdict on who I want to lynch until after a few hours, I'm actually doing stuff at work.
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Indirectly defending by attempting to explain why you are being attacked while Sandroba isn't
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On December 05 2011 20:39 syllogism wrote:
Indirectly defending by attempting to explain why you are being attacked while Sandroba isn't
rofl, I'm not even sure how that defends sandroba.
Anyway, don't worry about it.
I'll go ahead and defend him though. I see no reason to lynch him on day 1, he has a history of randomly just disappearing as town too, and the risk vs reward of killing him makes it not worth it.
If he doesn't have anything valuable by day 2 I'll agree to kill him.
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Sorry guys, I've been in bed for the last 15 hrs due to fever and a fucked up throat. I was planning on posting less this game and I opted to hold off posting before that. Expect a big post commenting on everything soon.
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##Unvote
meh palmar you're ok for now
can't get over corrupt saying "so many suspicious people" and then only being able to list 1 and then ignoring my pushing of the issue.
##Vote Corrupt
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