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On December 14 2011 15:27 vaderseven wrote:
No, the only difference is you are the one squirming suddenly upon making a mistake about a claim. Its classic. You are doing it well at least.
i made no mistake about a claim. i am not squirming. for the first time in the game it is revealed that you and i have different roles. of course, i process this information and act accordingly. there is no "squirming" and no "mistake" -- i have these roles and you have yours.
You have resorted to an OMGUS as soon as a claim falls apart to a counter claim and that is a very standard mafia tactic. Seeing as I have pretty much destroyed by virtue of calling you out on a lie in your claim
1. not OMGUS. see above post.
2. there was no lie. i have not lied once in this entire fucking game. please point DIRECTLY, DIRECTLYYYYY to any lie i have made once in this game. find me a LIE i made and i will lay down and die. but you cant because i did not lie. perhaps you MISINTERPRETED what i said at one point, but when i clarified, you seemed perfectly clear in your comprehension.
3. funny how i said "bulletproof" in my list of abilities and then YOU said "he has the exact same abilities i have in the correct order?" you lied. YOU. lied. not me. you. because eventually you came out and said you did not actually have bulletproof, but veteran. imagine that once AGAIN i catch someone else in the lie and yet i am the majority candidate for a third time in a row now?
Splitting the hair about your claim of able to go bulletproof vs mine to go vet for a night is misdirecting the conversation away from the fact that I claimed and breadcrumbed my role way in advance and you did a copy cat style play to establish yourself. Don't think that I have forgotten how it was when everyone was putting myself in their 'probably town' lists that you went established your copy cat claim.
"jack, oops i meant palmar" is hardly advanced lol. and the difference between BP and vet is everything, it is so crucial because it shows how i am town and you are mafia. to deflect AWAY from this is to play defense when for the first time in the game i can be totally confident in my ability to play offense on somebody else. there is zero chance whatsoever that i am wrong here. zero. town will see this.
you say i make a "copy cat claim" -- are you honestly implying that you think i am NOT a jack? like for real? all the evidence is there and you have admitted repeatedly that i proved myself to you, that i have the exact same abilities you have (with one key difference we find out!), yada yada. now it looks like with things like "copy cat claim" that you are throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. THAT is squirming.
Also, your analysis of bulletproof vs vet as 'more town' operates under an assumption that the town has a max of 1 KP per night. That being said, I don't believe you are a jack or any multi ability user. I think you are a mafia single shot day vig. You found a great way to get your shot off without being insta lynched for it and you are riding that all the way to the present moment.
A. yes, town only has syllogism as the two shot vig at night. if town had anything else it would have been used by now.
B. HOW CAN I BE A MAFIA ONE SHOT DAY VIG IF I PULLED MEDIC, MASON, DAY VIG, AND (X) OUT OF MY ASS? those ARE your four abilities, after all. like honestly how the fuck would i know these things? this is so disingenuous its absurd.
The fact of the matter is, you are not the same role as I. I am a town Jack and you have claimed to be the same thing.
we do not have the same role. we have the same TITLE but our powers are different. ive also taken the liberty of removing the bold blue text, since i fucking hate when people do that, as if it implies authority of a mod confirmation when it is bullshit. people should stop using any colors in text except green for official mod questions.
Your abilities do not match mine. You are lieing about the name of your role and the only reason to do so is if you are not town aligned.
again, let me show you this:
On December 14 2011 11:32 vaderseven wrote:
Abilites:
Vet for one night
Med for one night
Mason for one day/night
day vigi
how the fuck would i be able to know this if i didnt have the same role (at least the same 3/4 of the role and a different self-defense ability)?
You made a small slip and said you used your first option on Refallen and then that mistake expanded into admitting to not knowing what the Jack role has as its abilities.
i am the first person in the ENTIRE GAME to give the full sheet of jack powers (from my version).
On December 14 2011 06:41 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:38 vaderseven wrote:
Annul, go ahead reveal to the thread all your abilities.
Its just more lies now.
-_- as you wish ability 1: bulletproof ability 2: day vig ability 3: medic ability 4: mason "option 1" obviously refers to me using medic and not mason.
FIVE HOURS LATER, YOU CONFIRM THIS
On December 14 2011 11:32 vaderseven wrote:
Abilites:
Vet for one night
Med for one night
Mason for one day/night
day vigi
and now you come up and say im faking it.
what a horrible defense you have put up. all game i stand firm to the pressure and survive two full days of onslaught of people saying there cant be two town jacks. the REAL mafia jack gets a couple of posts of pressure by me and completely disintegrates.
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I mean, WHY would you say it any other way?????
If you were my role and had medic'd Refallen last night you would have said, I used my 3rd ability on Refallen.
Simple.
Clear.
Thats what you go for in claims like this. The fact that you said option 1 implies that you thought that was a simple and clear answer.
Maybe you ARE a multi ability mafia role and you just assumed your abilities matched mine.
@ Refallen - Did you get any notice of any night actions that targeted you?
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On December 14 2011 15:48 vaderseven wrote:
It was obv OMGUS lol.
You see that I have found a fault in your claim.
im voting you because your slate of abilities is tailored for mafia whereas mine is tailored for town. that is my rationale. also, now, how you handle the pressure just adds to it, but this is where the root of the case began. nothing OMGUS about it.
Ok. Thats where it becomes some backpedaling. OPTION 1 among 4 abilities that are supposed to be common between us would be ability 1. You even number them. This clearly makes it obvious what the common understanding of option 1 would be.
and yet you say you honestly believe i am a mafia aligned single shot day vig? lolololol.
BECAUSE i knew youd understand it, i said "option 1"
BECAUSE i wanted to make it clear i did not mean mason. BECAUSE i thought you were smart and knew i would obviously not claim to use a self ability on somebody else, i must be talking about abilities that target other people. and BECAUSE you understood what i meant once i explained myself.
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On December 14 2011 15:52 vaderseven wrote:
Maybe you ARE a multi ability mafia role and you just assumed your abilities matched mine.
our abilities do match. what you claimed and what i claim match 100% EXCEPT for our self-defense power, which again ive explained repeatedly makes you the mafia jack
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote:
B. HOW CAN I BE A MAFIA ONE SHOT DAY VIG IF I PULLED MEDIC, MASON, DAY VIG, AND (X) OUT OF MY ASS? those ARE your four abilities, after all. like honestly how the fuck would i know these things? this is so disingenuous its absurd.
This is the one thing I think that is true. You are right, you are some other variation of a multi-ability role and you were assuming your abilities matched mine. It is likely that you are a scum variation of my role.
ive also taken the liberty of removing the bold blue text, since i fucking hate when people do that, as if it implies authority of a mod confirmation when it is bullshit. people should stop using any colors in text except green for official mod questions.
LoL. Chill. That's actually hilarious because it is the first time I have ever done that in a game of mafia ever (in ~5 years of mafia).
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On December 14 2011 15:58 vaderseven wrote:
This is the one thing I think that is true. You are right, you are some other variation of a multi-ability role and you were assuming your abilities matched mine. It is likely that you are a scum variation of my role.
this is funny because its my exact case against you but youre trying to turn it
but see when i point out the gaping holes in the case theres nothing else you can do but admit you were bullshitting and throwing the entire pot of pasta to the wall hoping something sticks. i spring unexpected pressure onto the mafia and they cant handle it.
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:38 vaderseven wrote:
Annul, go ahead reveal to the thread all your abilities.
Its just more lies now.
-_- as you wish ability 1: bulletproof ability 2: day vig ability 3: medic ability 4: mason "option 1" obviously refers to me using medic and not mason.
FIVE HOURS LATER, YOU CONFIRM THIS
On December 14 2011 11:32 vaderseven wrote:
Abilites:
Vet for one night
Med for one night
Mason for one day/night
day vigi
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I see what you did there. Took me a second.
Do you bother to mention why I say you should claim? It is because I said option 1 makes no sense as that is the option that makes you a vet. You then go into to saying I am a liar.
Here is the timeline without the omissions:
On December 14 2011 04:00 vaderseven wrote:
Annul, you are a LIAR.
Option 1 on Refallen?
You choose to be a vet and target someone?
LYNCH.
##vote annul
GOD i hate being played.
I clearly have called you out for saying that used option one on Refallen and I name the real option 1.
On December 14 2011 05:30 annul wrote:
no?
option 1 that has a chance of being targeted at refallen. as in not the option that can be used at day or night.
That is your first reply.
On December 14 2011 05:31 annul wrote:
also, the first listed option altogether is NOT veteran.
Now you are correcting your error and doing a subtle attack onto my claim (of first ability), which DID occur first thank you. Your counter claim of bulletproof over vet and the whole bulletproof is more pro town is a result of me claiming vet as an ability. Simple. As. That.
On December 14 2011 05:55 annul wrote:are you dumb? you are going to make me reveal every power we have to prove it to you? i would imagine you would want me to keep it secret for obvious reasons
Our next posts. I make it CLEAR as hell that you are lieing based on your claimed ability usage and claimed role.
Only then do I post:
On December 14 2011 06:38 vaderseven wrote:
Annul, go ahead reveal to the thread all your abilities.
Its just more lies now.
-_-
And from there you put up your list. Your list isn't the magical first list that your big post trys to make it out to be. My list that came 5 hours after yours was a simple information based list to help make it clear what I was calling you out on.
I await your next twisting of my words my worthy foe.
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You really had me scratching my head for a second with that 5 hours later you post the 2nd list of Jack abilities.
I had to re-read both of our filters to make sure that I wasn't crazy and that I really had named that Vet was an ability before you named bulletproof.
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote:
what a horrible defense you have put up. all game i stand firm to the pressure and survive two full days of onslaught of people saying there cant be two town jacks. the REAL mafia jack gets a couple of posts of pressure by me and completely disintegrates.
Dang you are good at playing scum. That is an awesome buddying up to a large case vs you in an attempt to create a case out of thin air on me. You even couple that with an image of me having no logical place to stand saying that you are lieing.
You said that you used option 1 on Refallen and I said uh option is to become a vet. You then backpedal and quickly go from being pro-me to anti-me.
I finally caught you in a slip up that proved you were not the same role as me. With that you have no choice other than to OMGUS me. You have claimed town jack and so have I. The moment our claims don't match it is 100% the moment that we know each of our alignments, that of opposites. You recognized this and ASAP began to find ways to make a case that your claim is more town than mine. It is the most classic scum OMGUS (not town OMGUS) in that you realized at the same instant as I that your alignment had been revealed to me via your claim vs mine.
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Vader, I did not receive any such notification, except for the one which said I got roleblocked.
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And it IS omgus before you say it isn't.
Imagine a 3 player game. 1 mafia, 1 cop, 1 VT.
The cop and the mafia both say I AM THE COP. They then both vote each other.
They are both OMGUSing each other.
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On December 14 2011 16:26 Refallen wrote:
Vader, I did not receive any such notification, except for the one which said I got roleblocked.
Did other medic'd peeps get a message about being protected?
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Only if there was a successful protect (in this case only successfully protected Palmar)
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote:
the difference between BP and vet is everything, it is so crucial because it shows how i am town and you are mafia. to deflect AWAY from this is to play defense when for the first time in the game i can be totally confident in my ability to play offense on somebody else. there is zero chance whatsoever that i am wrong here. zero.
It is everything? The difference or the ordering of the claims? I don't get how thats everything. Vet and Bulletproof are common roles that can be on either side of mafia/town.
OHH I get it. It is everything meaning that it is the crucial thing that forced your hand and, as such, has to be a part of everything you say concerning you vs me from this point on.
I said vet was option 1 and then you said thats wrong and posted your list.
You are counterclaiming bulletproof to my vet and saying that vet is anti-town.
I say that vet is a fine town ability (lol at saying it isn't, nice use of comparison to create an abstract negative view of something that in reality is a positive).
I also say that your counterclaim of bulletproof to my vet is a smoke screen to take attention off the fact that you LIED and said you used option 1 on Refallen. I called you out on that and said option one is a vet and then voted for you.
Funny how that difference is 'everything.' I think the lie that you got caught in is everything.
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Fwiw kingjames, toad, annul himself, visceral eyes, jackal and truth ringer hasnt voted annul yet.
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And last one is risen I think. If we manage to land red today then this is the list we should be looking at ( and if we don't it's gg, and v7 you probably pulled off the sickest mindblow ever if you're scum)
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On December 14 2011 16:27 vaderseven wrote:
And it IS omgus before you say it isn't.
Imagine a 3 player game. 1 mafia, 1 cop, 1 VT.
The cop and the mafia both say I AM THE COP. They then both vote each other.
They are both OMGUSing each other.
I thought OMGUS meant omg you suck... am I wrong?
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On December 14 2011 16:11 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:31 annul wrote:
also, the first listed option altogether is NOT veteran. Now you are correcting your error and doing a subtle attack onto my claim (of first ability), which DID occur first thank you. Your counter claim of bulletproof over vet and the whole bulletproof is more pro town is a result of me claiming vet as an ability. Simple. As. That.
what the fuck are you talking about? i made no error. this is my ability. i have bulletproof. you apparently do not. there is no error here. all there is is you having a slate of mafia powers where i have a slate of town powers.
also, as i said, i am the first person in the game to claim all jack powers. you then confirmed it. you did NOT claim first.
and when i said "bulletproof, not veteran" i was saying that to explain to you that bulletproof stops ALL night kills, that it is not just a veteran role. when i said "NOT VETERAN" i was signaling to you that perhaps you saw "bulletproof" but read the power as that of a veteran (an honest and probable mistake), not that i thought your role actually was veteran. only when you came outright and told me otherwise did i connect the dots and realize what ive been missing all along.
Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:55 annul wrote:On December 14 2011 05:42 vaderseven wrote:
Annul is 100% lieing. Kill him. are you dumb? you are going to make me reveal every power we have to prove it to you? i would imagine you would want me to keep it secret for obvious reasons Our next posts. I make it CLEAR as hell that you are lieing based on your claimed ability usage and claimed role.
even here at this point in the game i am still operating under the assumption that you were town. obviously its fucking retarded to claim all our powers for no reason. (assuming you were town) that would mean that now mafia knows what we can do, and they can play around it. now they know we have medic and one night self-defense of some sort. you were hinting we had DT powers. "refallen, option 1" was me playing along. why give the reds any more info than necessary? of course this all crashes down when i realize you are not blue with me.
Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:38 vaderseven wrote:
Annul, go ahead reveal to the thread all your abilities.
Its just more lies now.
-_- And from there you put up your list. Your list isn't the magical first list that your big post trys to make it out to be. My list that came 5 hours after yours was a simple information based list to help make it clear what I was calling you out on. I await your next twisting of my words my worthy foe.
the fact remains that i am still the first person to claim all our powers. the first one. and the only one to not lie once all game. i have caught you in repeated lies AAAAAAND i have caught you trying weak arguments hoping something sticks. nothing i said has been twisted in any capacity... by me, anyway. its not like i am arguing "omg i claimed these powers therefore im town" but i am arguing "i claimed these powers of jack, which YOU CONFIRMED, and then you were legitimately arguing to discredit me that i am not a jack, but a mafia one shot day vig." then when that blew up in your face you suddenly realized "oh fuck i fucked up" and now youre trying to salvage it. it wont work.
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On December 14 2011 16:15 vaderseven wrote:Oh and You really had me scratching my head for a second with that 5 hours later you post the 2nd list of Jack abilities.I had to re-read both of our filters to make sure that I wasn't crazy and that I really had named that Vet was an ability before you named bulletproof.
you named vet 5 hours AFTER i named bulletproof. not the other way around.
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On December 14 2011 16:25 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote:
what a horrible defense you have put up. all game i stand firm to the pressure and survive two full days of onslaught of people saying there cant be two town jacks. the REAL mafia jack gets a couple of posts of pressure by me and completely disintegrates. Dang you are good at playing scum. That is an awesome buddying up to a large case vs you in an attempt to create a case out of thin air on me. You even couple that with an image of me having no logical place to stand saying that you are lieing. You said that you used option 1 on Refallen and I said uh option is to become a vet. You then backpedal and quickly go from being pro-me to anti-me. I finally caught you in a slip up that proved you were not the same role as me. With that you have no choice other than to OMGUS me. You have claimed town jack and so have I. The moment our claims don't match it is 100% the moment that we know each of our alignments, that of opposites. You recognized this and ASAP began to find ways to make a case that your claim is more town than mine. It is the most classic scum OMGUS (not town OMGUS) in that you realized at the same instant as I that your alignment had been revealed to me via your claim vs mine.
i have proven that at that time i still believed you were town jack, just like me. and i have proven that my goal in that answer was to communicate information to YOU that did not get communicated to everyone else, namely the reds. knowing this, and knowing that, from my perspective, you knew what powers we both had, i assumed you were not as dumb as to think that i was claiming to use bulletproof on refallen. i guess i was wrong about that
OMGUS means "oh my god, you suck." it is used in this example:
person A: (some rationale), therefore i am voting B.
person B: OMG, YOU SUCK! i am voting A.
this is OMGUS. it is voting for someone BECAUSE THEY VOTE YOU. simply voting for someone who has voted you previously does not make it OMGUS unless you do so ONLY because they voted you. since ive provided ample rationale that is entirely unrelated to you being faster to type "vote annul" than i could get out my initial case, it is not OMGUS. stop stonewalling.
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