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On December 05 2011 06:20 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 06:08 redFF wrote:
radfield what do you think of palmar, you seem to have ignored my case on him which is the only coherent case in the thread so far.
what do people think of corrupt stating "so many suspicious people already" and then when asked who, stalled for a while before only listing 1/2 players?
Zephirdd's non vote then vote after i pushed him also strikes me as scummy. I don't like his answers at all. It's like he only answers exactly what he was asked for, and then finds a reason to lurk away(his last post exactly). If we are pushing for a day 1 lynch and there is no better target, I'd say we should lynch him. He is either bad newbie scum, or really really really bad newbie town. I'm inclined to the former. And for the record, I'd have voted him right after his first answer if you hadn't convinced me to vote on him beforehand. It's just that I don't feel very comfortable to do that, but it's not like it was a really big deal anyway.
why not?
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On December 05 2011 06:17 vaderseven wrote:
A no Lynch is awful for the reasons stated AND because it makes reading who voted who and why type info null.
We need everyone to vote and explain every reason they have for their vote because this the one thing Mafai have to lie about everyday. Even bussing is a lie in a sense.
Voting no Lynch is voting to hide relationships, motives, and information.
People was still discussing no voting?
This just seems like your contributing to an old topic.
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@vader, can you read the thread or not?
Windows 60% done and then I can read the thread.
but you have posts discussing things that are happening in the thread
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he posted on his phone in 47 iirc
hes probably phone reading and posting which is suboptimal
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On December 05 2011 06:23 annul wrote:
he posted on his phone in 47 iirc
hes probably phone reading and posting which is suboptimal
Don't let that fool you. He kept up with the 47 perfectly, he has a job that involves a lot of downtime and has ample opportunity to read the thread ( His own words )
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On December 05 2011 06:21 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 06:20 Zephirdd wrote:On December 05 2011 06:08 redFF wrote:
radfield what do you think of palmar, you seem to have ignored my case on him which is the only coherent case in the thread so far.
what do people think of corrupt stating "so many suspicious people already" and then when asked who, stalled for a while before only listing 1/2 players?
Zephirdd's non vote then vote after i pushed him also strikes me as scummy. I don't like his answers at all. It's like he only answers exactly what he was asked for, and then finds a reason to lurk away(his last post exactly). If we are pushing for a day 1 lynch and there is no better target, I'd say we should lynch him. He is either bad newbie scum, or really really really bad newbie town. I'm inclined to the former. And for the record, I'd have voted him right after his first answer if you hadn't convinced me to vote on him beforehand. It's just that I don't feel very comfortable to do that, but it's not like it was a really big deal anyway. why not?
As I said, I don't like to vote before at least an answer. Many people did that on Steamship Liquidia, and even as scum that bothered me, even having an argument with chaoser and almost getting caught over that. But I guess it's fine when it is a deadline-style lynch instead of a hammer-style lynch game.
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if corrupt is scum zepirdd could be his buddy
but otherwise i find On December 05 2011 06:26 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 06:21 redFF wrote:On December 05 2011 06:20 Zephirdd wrote:On December 05 2011 06:08 redFF wrote:
radfield what do you think of palmar, you seem to have ignored my case on him which is the only coherent case in the thread so far.
what do people think of corrupt stating "so many suspicious people already" and then when asked who, stalled for a while before only listing 1/2 players?
Zephirdd's non vote then vote after i pushed him also strikes me as scummy. I don't like his answers at all. It's like he only answers exactly what he was asked for, and then finds a reason to lurk away(his last post exactly). If we are pushing for a day 1 lynch and there is no better target, I'd say we should lynch him. He is either bad newbie scum, or really really really bad newbie town. I'm inclined to the former. And for the record, I'd have voted him right after his first answer if you hadn't convinced me to vote on him beforehand. It's just that I don't feel very comfortable to do that, but it's not like it was a really big deal anyway. why not? As I said, I don't like to vote before at least an answer. Many people did that on Steamship Liquidia, and even as scum that bothered me, even having an argument with chaoser and almost getting caught over that. But I guess it's fine when it is a deadline-style lynch instead of a hammer-style lynch game.
an acceptable response.
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On December 05 2011 05:59 syllogism wrote:
I noticed Jackal's tone as well, which in addition to what you said doesn't fit his typical tendency to just tunnel palmar.
I don't tunnel Palmar. I blow the mother fucker up.
I'm waiting for him to answer my question regarding an rng vote and why he thinks that would be advantageous on day 1. If I don't like his answer I'll probably vote for him. I'm not as concerned with his list now that I saw he was responding to a question you asked of him. But the rng angle is almost like pushing for a no lynch. It just seems like a scum agenda.
And sorry if my absence bothered some of you but I was watching the Steelers rape the Bungles.
And now I'm going to go see if the Browns can some how embarrass the Ravens.
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or dear jesus stop lol.
Windows done.
At work I can browse TL kinda but I cannot login (blocked login server but the forum itself itsnt blocked) (the worst part about that is you have to be logged in to read a filter). So yes, I was phone posting AND reading the thread via phone this time but when I am work I read via a comp and then post via a phone.
Let me go visit ninite to grab some programs, grab a cup of coffee, and then read the thread and start my notes.
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Hey guys.
On December 05 2011 01:59 redFF wrote:
shut up about detectives just check who you think is scummy.
Echoing redff here.
On December 05 2011 02:08 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 01:52 prplhz wrote:On December 05 2011 01:38 annul wrote:
thats a ridiculously early claim. It might be early but I fail to see how it's a claim (and it isn't). "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do OUR job"
I really don't think it was that. I do not see it as a claim.
[QUOTE]On December 05 2011 02:24 redFF wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 04 2011 19:38 Palmar wrote:
[quote]In addition, how would you feel about randomly lynching on day 1. I mean completely random, we just have some kinda rng generator choose our lynch for the day.[/quote]I'm fairly sure this isn't going to happen, dumb idea. Besides we could never trust the person generating the number to not influence it themselves in some way.
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I would refuse to lynch based on RNG.
I really do not like this exchange with corrupt. It feels like everything that comes out of his fingers is scummy.
I think I always think Palmar is scummy so I'm going to have to reread him.
Vader kind of feels scummy to me right now but I'm sure I'll have to hear more first.
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Eagerly waiting for you to "reread" palmar's 6 posts
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I have come to the conclusion I can't read Palmar worth a damn. I really hate it when I feel like that towards a person all the time. So it's probably a good idea to ignore me when it comes to Palmar, at least for now.
However, I am eagerly awaiting his explanation on redff's case being terrible.
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On December 05 2011 07:13 Lanaia wrote:
I have come to the conclusion I can't read Palmar worth a damn. I really hate it when I feel like that towards a person all the time. So it's probably a good idea to ignore me when it comes to Palmar, at least for now.
However, I am eagerly awaiting his explanation on redff's case being terrible.
Lol. Found this funny as hell.
As for Palmar, he just went to sleep like 5 hours ago. I'm not expecting anything from him until late tonight. I don't think any attempts to analyze him are genuine until he comes back.
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You can always analyze someone who isn't around and still be genuine.
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Zodiac Lists-
Annul pointed out and I agree that they are wifom bait at best. It is also true that they can be a tool of the mafia to lead the town. There is nothing to be gained from them. Talk about other things instead of posting them as that is way more useful to the town so we can get reads.
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On December 05 2011 00:57 TruthBringer wrote:
Also, I've been out of the TL mafia loop for awhile, so if it comes to day 1 lynching, I'll be completely worthless as I can't read any of you at all.
This bothers me because it is a pre flip scape goat. No one expects your vote to be 100% accurate day 1 as town. There would be no way for it to be. Town has no information beyond their PM which at most has some mason allies if they are in the game or some such. It is a closed setup so take anything anyone says about role related stuff with a grain of salt but to you will be completely worthless day 1 because you can't read people is irrelevant.
You seem to push either the no lynch or the 'my vote will be bad and worthless so please ignore it / don't be mad about it' route thus far.
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On December 05 2011 01:14 syllogism wrote:
"Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone.
I swear we need a TL Mafia strat forum or something because it seems like things like this clutter up the games. This is not productive to talk about or discuss when it is a discussion amoung town players that can't tell who is the good guys and mafia players who can discuss things in private and add carefully selected pieces of input. If you think you have a good understanding of starts for blue roles then write a guide or something that is generic and post it in the forums so that people can read it and come to own, safer/hidden, conclusions about how to play their role.
On December 05 2011 01:14 syllogism wrote:A strong player surviving until day 3 is just one of the things that should be taken into account when determining his alignment. It doesn't automatically make him scum, but rather is something that depends on other circumstances; ie. who else has died and such.
The str of a player does not make him scummier or not. Plain and simple. I challenge you to provide some prof that is evidence based that says otherwise. With that in mind, i never advocate adding suspension based on things that are not scummy. So, with all that in mind, you can see why I will be ignoring this advice and will encourage others to as well.
I just imagine this situation where a town vet is alive on day 4 and gets lynched because he isn't a new player. How awesome does that sound (o wait).
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Ok that covers some random posts and issues. I have read the whole thread as of now.
I like redFF's case on Palmer. It is decent for a day 1 poke and the response that Palmar has made is bothersome to me. I really want to read Palmar's next post because as of now I think him saying the case is terrible with not even a one sentence fragment statement of why is actually scummier than the points redFF brought up.
Corrupt, could you go ahead and just name the player you think is scummiest, link us to or quote the post(s) that made you think so, and then provide the logical thinking you used to come to a conclusion? We all know its not a 100% thing (especially day 1) but you have added nothing and your play is coming off, as of now, as an attempt to fit in without adding anything at all.
Lanaia why you gotta be a hater? I.E. what is scummy about my play thus far lol? I actually think that was just a stone throw at me for no reason and I don't like that because it doesn't add anything useful.
Annul is a very logical player (points out RNG hate by Radfield followed by RNG vote; states directing power roles is stupid ; points out zodiac lists are giant wifom bait), I like his points about mafia in general thus far. What do you think about some of the players positions or contributions Annul (spefically the redFF/Palmar situation, Corrupt, and Radfield).
Let me just cut and paste my notes on one player:
My notes on Radfield
day1- Opens with a random vote on prplhz (rng). Too safe a vote that provides nothing. Even calls it bad. Really searching for ways that are not scum hunting to find a day1 lynch. Plays off of syllogism and says we need to make the town innocent so we can see scum. Suggest no-lynch after this. Says he likes zodiac lists. Says he doesn't like directing roles via lists. Says no-lynch is good cuz it makes us all get along.
Thus far, I find Palmar, Corrupt, Redfield to be the players I would be most interested in seeing flip. I find Radfield to be the scummiest of those.
##vote Radfield
Does anyone want me to look back at anything else that has happened thus far?
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Hum in the vote thread I connected one other dot and say Radfield is still voting for prplhz... via rng... which he claims to not like... even though prplhz has probably softclaimed blue.
That is scummy.
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On December 05 2011 02:06 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 02:00 prplhz wrote:
@redFF
What motivation could there be for a townie to propose a no-lynch this early on day1 in a closed setup? Do you think TruthBringer is bad enough not to be able to figure this out himself?
Why do you think Palmar looks kinda scummy right now? And what exactly is the scum motivation? Do you think they believe they can get us to nolynch by having TruthBringer propose it? Do you think they would realize what kind of reaction it would provoke?
The scum motivation is to push anti-town agenda. This is obviously not a team effort. What makes me jump on TruthBringer is that he apparently played before so he should be smarter than this. I find it very hard to speculate about closed setups but he does that and he talks about zodiac lists in a very confident manner that makes me think he is good at mafia, and then he proposes a very anti-town plan at a very bad time.
Addressing his follow up:
On December 05 2011 01:57 TruthBringer wrote:
@prplhz
We don't have to do anything on the first day. Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something.
I admit that we have more data if we hang someone, because we can see that person's alignment and who voted for him and who voted elsewhere. But more data doesn't mean we are in a better position. If we hang a powerful blue, and the mafia isn't overrepresented in the vote to lynch him, that does us no good.
You seem to think that I can pick out scum just based on bad ideas, but some people are just not good players or come up with bad plans, how am I to know the difference? Like I said, I don't have the experience right now to make the distinction.
Also, there can be differences of opinion. You and I might both be good guys and honestly have different opinions on whether it is a good idea or bad idea to hang on the first day.
"Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something." early day1 is a crazy statement. Then you says that the only thing we gain from lynch is flip, and vote lists which I disagree with, at least if the lynch is done in any proper way at all.
I'm not saying that you can pick out scum just based on what they write in the thread, I'm saying that it is possible and that it is in the best interest of town that everybody gives it a try. I don't have any experience with you, but what you say is still anti-town and that makes me very suspicious of you when I think you should know better.
Why are you proposing that we are both good guys? What do you think of me and my alignment? I'm not saying that it's always a good idea to hang people on day1, I'm saying that it's always bad idea to drop the idea of a lynch early on day1.
Can I ask, when you played before did towns often rely on power roles instead of analysis?
On December 05 2011 06:04 annul wrote:
im still waiting for purple haze to address his blue claim. if i saw it, mafia surely saw it too. and i saw it immediately. ;\
Yea I thought I responded to the "blueslip", I was not claiming and I didn't even know how you could think so before Radfield clarified everything.
I don't get the same feeling about Jackal58's post as Radfield and syllogism, I feel the same way as Drazerk. Actually, I pretty much agree with everything Drazerk has said so far (sorry). I am looking forward to hearing what Palmar has to say when he gets back.
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Oh, I forgot to confirm.
I read my PM etc before I made any posts once the day had started (just to be clear that I am aware of my role align in all of my posts etc etc).
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