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Blazinghand
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You wanna go? Ok, lets go.
On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to.
On December 07 2011 03:22 xtfftc wrote:
I wasn't asking about discussing things during the night; this is something town should always do. The mafia love keeping quiet during the night because there's much less pressure to vote after the lynch - but if we engage in a discussion, they would be forced to do so. Just like my other views about policies and general town play, you can confirm my consistency on the issue by checking xlvii where I was town.. And I recall that I had a huge argument with vader about it, and he rolled mafia. He used the same argument you're using: that they will have less information this way, and it's totally wrong: it's not like the information they have from Day 1 suddenly becomes invalid. You said it earlier: mafia have more information than us at the moment, so we should try to increase the amount of information we have by all means at the moment. That's some red points for you, BH.
Are you trying to increase the info now or later?
Also, why are the red points red points now but weren't red points 20 minutes ago? The thing I've posted in the meantime is:
On December 07 2011 03:07 Blazinghand wrote:
EB and I are of different opinions on this. You can make your own decision. Honestly, if you post like an hour or two before the deadline you're probably fairly safe, just because the mafia members probably all won't be awake (but who knows?) or will have already phoned in their kill, and are just waiting for the day post. If it's going to be difficult for you to be awake at the deadline, though, just post it when you can.
In this, I don't actually say you shouldn't post at night. I say the same thing you're saying: post closer to the deadline. So, I move closer to your position, and that makes me Red?
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Blazinghand
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Basically, why come at me now for my position when, relative to you, my position has become closer? If anything, I moved form an unfavorable position (thinking we shouldn't post at night) to a favorable position (our night posts should be closer to the deadline). If it was reasonable to call me out for this, it became LESS reasonable in the 20 minutes between your two posts.
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Blazinghand
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UHN YEAH THATS RIGHT WHATCHA GONNA SAY NOW MR INCONSISTENT
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On December 06 2011 09:52 ElectricBlack wrote:
Is no one but me concerned with the ease this wagon is being pushed.
Can we please switch to Hassybaby, which is much more likely to be a good lynch.
On December 06 2011 10:09 ElectricBlack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 10:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Atm i wouldnt vote hassybaby for the same reason i didn't vote Bbyte. Hassybaby has not been able to defend himself. And now that Bbyte is hear hes came to late to defend himself. I hope hes mafia but i dont have a good feeling about this. And I think you're the last scum That's it, jaybrundage, xtf, hassy. Game solved. Next one?
Look at these two posts. At first, EB is concerned about the Bbyte wagon being pushed too easily, and 17 minutes later he proclaimed that he has solved the game and accused jay, Hassy, and me. However, Hassy never posted on or voted for Bbyte; I've been arguing against lynching a lurker on the grounds that it is too easy for mafia all game long and did my best to get someone else's case going; and Jay sort of went against it (although with some dumb reasoning. Yes, a lurker isn't going to be around to defend himself... this is why he is getting lynched in the first place, because he hasn't been contributing enough). So EB says that he is concerned about the Bbyte wagon - and then proceeds in a completely different direction, ignoring his own statement from earlier.
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Blazinghand
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Yeah EB's random accusation of JB is kind of weird, tbh. He doesn't offer any analysis and just throws it out there. This is fairly unhelpful, and makes me somewhat suspicious of him. On the other hand, he says we should talk at night so I guess that's Green points amirite
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THINGS TO CONSIDER
NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
I've become concerned with BH's presence in this game.
He tells people to vote for Adam for discrediting him ----> people vote for Adam
He tells people to switch to EB for not voting -------> people switch to EB
He tells people to switch to BByte ------> BByte is lynched
He tells people to not talk at night ------> Mine is one of the first posts that's not his.
I voted for 2/3 of these people; I feel like maybe I wouldn't have put my vote on them if BH had not suggested to.
The town, including myself, have started sheeping him and treating him like he is a confirmed town.
The last newbie game was lost because of too much trust in 2 players, 1 of them ended up being scum.
I don't know if it's been different for other people, but the main reason I started believing BH was definitely town was his activity level throughout the game. He seemed to be actively scum hunting at the start accusing people, but in reality at the start of the game all he did was jump on people who didn't post yet because they were busy/didn't know the game had started.
I believe that scum would more likely want to draw less attention to themselves but It's possible that BH is actually just a good player that posts and accuses a lot regardless of his alignment.
I feel like we pushed the "easy" lynches of Adam/BByte and EB (before he started analyzing) This is fine for day1, but come day2 we better be more willing to look thoroughly into the players who have been active and are "contributing". (the chance that scum wouldn't have a single active player goes beyond unlikely...)
My point about BH is this : He has a lot of town cred and has gained a very strong position as a trusted townie and a town leader role. Remember to remain cautious of him and that there are no truly confirmed townies. Everyone should be having their own opinions for the lynch tomorrow, not following BH's.
My last point : ONLY MAFIA KNOW THEIR REASONS FOR KILLING A PLAYER
let me explain, in this hypothetical situation I have been shot by the mafia. When you look through my filter do not use things I said as main parts of analysis because you cannot truly know why they would have killed me.
When you looked through my filter after my hypothetical death, do not use arguments such as:
OMG, HE WAS SUSPICIOUS OF TUNKEG THEREFORE TUNKEG IS MAFIA TRYING TO PROTECT HIMSELF!
HE WAS SIDING WITH XSKSC, THEREFORE XSKSC IS MAFIA TRYING TO PAINT HIMSELF MORE TOWN!
BH KILLED HIM BECAUSE HE SAID HE FELT BH WAS GETTING TOO MUCH POWER AND THAT TOWNIES WERE FOLLOWING HIM BLINDLY!
just to be clear, I am not saying that BH is mafia, I'm just saying that he is not a confirmed town and that nobody should follow him blindly. IF things continued to go the same way as they went day1 and BH was mafia, there would be no hope for town to win.
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On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote:
just to be clear, I am not saying that BH is mafia, I'm just saying that he is not a confirmed town and that nobody should follow him blindly. IF things continued to go the same way as they went day1 and BH was mafia, there would be no hope for town to win.
I 100% echo this sentiment. Anyone who gets into the habit of following anyone blindly in this game will lose horribly. Take my analysis on a case-by-case basis. Anything anybody says that is unsupported deserves to be shat on.
He tells people to vote for Adam for discrediting him ----> people vote for Adam
Please provide qutoes of me doing this-- I don't recall telling people to vote for Adam... But I guess it's possible... This is the quote in which I vote for him
On December 04 2011 16:03 Blazinghand wrote:Well, EY, you can rest assured that as a single personality I won't dominate the discussions-- you certainly will be a good counter-balance :D I think we've got about 40 hours left.
Also, I think BKEXE has been poked a fair bit. Time to bust out some new poking power. ##Unvote BroodKingEXEAdam has correctly noted that there are no no-lynches in his sole post. Helpful, but not enormously so. Also, he's certainly awake since he's Australian. I'm gonna slap my vote on him and wait for him to contribute some more. Maybe he's eating or out or something, but hopefully this will get more than 1 post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&user=192320&user=192320His sole post: Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 13:35 Adam4167 wrote:On December 04 2011 13:24 Velinath wrote:
EBWOP because you guys post too fast:
Blazinghand, I completely agree with your idea here. If we lack a case on a poster in the thread, lurkers are, regardless of alignment, anti-town, and they should be lynched in preference to a no-lynch.
Given that,
##Vote: Bbite
Let's hear from another nonposter. We cannot have no-lynches in this game due to the voting rules. I am all for lynching anyone who scum slips or is caught in an outright lie, as they're almost sure to be mafia. Lynching lurkers on the other hand, while I think they offer nothing to the town, also provides the town with very little new information and costs us an additional townie through a night-kill. As previously stated in the thread, bored townies are more likely to go inactive/lurk due to not having a very interesting role, whereas a mafia member has two teammates who are relying on him/her to stay active and try to achieve a win. Adam, I'd like to see you contributing to the discussion more. I'm heading to bed relatively soon, but when I wake up I hope to see a new post from you. ##Vote Adam4167I don't necessarily think you're scum or that other people should vote for you, but you've only made one post, and that's simply not good enough. Hurry up.
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Also, why are the red points red points now but weren't red points 20 minutes ago?
On December 07 2011 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Basically, why come at me now for my position when, relative to you, my position has become closer? If anything, I moved form an unfavorable position (thinking we shouldn't post at night) to a favorable position (our night posts should be closer to the deadline). If it was reasonable to call me out for this, it became LESS reasonable in the 20 minutes between your two posts.
On December 07 2011 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
UHN YEAH THATS RIGHT WHATCHA GONNA SAY NOW MR INCONSISTENT
My first post wasn't directed at you but at everyone and in my second post I focused on your position on the issue and awared you your red points. I would like you to re-read my posts carefully and inform me if you still see any inconsistency. See, you've bolded the wrong part of my post.
It shouldn't be
On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to.
Instead, it should be
On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to.
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Blazinghand
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oh nvm found it:
On December 05 2011 08:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, Hassybaby has finally gone from no posts to "having posts" so I can, at last, change my vote to a more useful target.
Adam4167, in a game full of unimpressive players you have truly failed to impress. I voted you and your immediate response was a thinly-veiled OMGUS. If you're mafia, I'm going to take this chance to get rid of you. If you're a townie, you're so utterly useless I couldn't imagine you contributing.
You've had your 6 hours. Hell, you've had your SEVEN hours, because I'm a nice guy. But the clock's ticking, and I don't have time for some last minute voting BS.
Try to redeem yourself. I'll be checking in constantly from now until the voting deadline, but I doubt we'll find someone scummier and/or less useful than you in that time.
It's really a shame; there are other people who are kinda suspicious, but you're just so atrociously bad that I can't afford to stay my hand any longer.
##Unvote Hassybaby
##Vote Adam4167
Come at me bro.
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On December 07 2011 03:42 Blazinghand wrote:
On the other hand, he says we should talk at night so I guess that's Green points amirite
Nope.  It's red points if you use bad logic about something like this but it's not green points if you post pro-town on something as general because that's what good mafia are likely to do anyway.
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Blazinghand
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On December 07 2011 03:47 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +Also, why are the red points red points now but weren't red points 20 minutes ago? Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Basically, why come at me now for my position when, relative to you, my position has become closer? If anything, I moved form an unfavorable position (thinking we shouldn't post at night) to a favorable position (our night posts should be closer to the deadline). If it was reasonable to call me out for this, it became LESS reasonable in the 20 minutes between your two posts. Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
UHN YEAH THATS RIGHT WHATCHA GONNA SAY NOW MR INCONSISTENT My first post wasn't directed at you but at everyone and in my second post I focused on your position on the issue and awared you your red points. I would like you to re-read my posts carefully and inform me if you still see any inconsistency. See, you've bolded the wrong part of my post. It shouldn't be Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to. Instead, it should be Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to.
You still haven't answered my question. Decent dodge though. Why didn't I earn red points previously? Why wait to call me out until my position became more moderate?
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Blazinghand
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Everyone should be aggressive about posting an analyzing. You don't know whether it's your last night alive. Tonight the mafia may have already made their decision, but if we can get the same info without exposing ourselves more by delaying an analysis post another hour, is that really a bad idea? One thought would be that we need as much information as possible, but I'm not saying we shouldn't have the info, just that a minor delay is good. Five hours is what we're talking about here.
So basically I think this is a well-supported opinion and should not earn "red points" in anyone's book. Although you may disagree, I don't think that rules it out. V7 was mafia that game, but that doesn't make all his ideas inherently red. Even if he was mafia, he might have posted that because it's a good town idea and he wanted to appear town. Don't automatically judge me for it.
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Blazinghand
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I WOULD like to see an analysis post from EB, though.
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On December 07 2011 03:50 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 03:47 xtfftc wrote:Also, why are the red points red points now but weren't red points 20 minutes ago? On December 07 2011 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Basically, why come at me now for my position when, relative to you, my position has become closer? If anything, I moved form an unfavorable position (thinking we shouldn't post at night) to a favorable position (our night posts should be closer to the deadline). If it was reasonable to call me out for this, it became LESS reasonable in the 20 minutes between your two posts. On December 07 2011 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
UHN YEAH THATS RIGHT WHATCHA GONNA SAY NOW MR INCONSISTENT My first post wasn't directed at you but at everyone and in my second post I focused on your position on the issue and awared you your red points. I would like you to re-read my posts carefully and inform me if you still see any inconsistency. See, you've bolded the wrong part of my post. It shouldn't be On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to. Instead, it should be On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to. You still haven't answered my question. Decent dodge though. Why didn't I earn red points previously? Why wait to call me out until my position became more moderate?
I did answer it. I wrote "My first post wasn't directed at you but at everyone and in my second post I focused on your position on the issue and awared you your red points." I came back from work, posted my question, and went on to read the thread to look for stuff to analyse while waiting for people to react. You did, so I replied to you. Dunno how you see anything wrong with it.
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Blazinghand
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On December 07 2011 03:59 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 03:50 Blazinghand wrote:On December 07 2011 03:47 xtfftc wrote:Also, why are the red points red points now but weren't red points 20 minutes ago? On December 07 2011 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Basically, why come at me now for my position when, relative to you, my position has become closer? If anything, I moved form an unfavorable position (thinking we shouldn't post at night) to a favorable position (our night posts should be closer to the deadline). If it was reasonable to call me out for this, it became LESS reasonable in the 20 minutes between your two posts. On December 07 2011 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
UHN YEAH THATS RIGHT WHATCHA GONNA SAY NOW MR INCONSISTENT My first post wasn't directed at you but at everyone and in my second post I focused on your position on the issue and awared you your red points. I would like you to re-read my posts carefully and inform me if you still see any inconsistency. See, you've bolded the wrong part of my post. It shouldn't be On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to. Instead, it should be On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to. You still haven't answered my question. Decent dodge though. Why didn't I earn red points previously? Why wait to call me out until my position became more moderate? I did answer it. I wrote "My first post wasn't directed at you but at everyone and in my second post I focused on your position on the issue and awared you your red points." I came back from work, posted my question, and went on to read the thread to look for stuff to analyse while waiting for people to react. You did, so I replied to you. Dunno how you see anything wrong with it.
Ah, ok. That's a fair point. The initial post was made not having read my post, and the second post was made not being aware of my position that it's up to you and that delaying has some advantages.
What do you think of my defense of the "delay posting analysis" idea? So far you've said it's "Red Points" because it was suggested by V7, but that's not an adequate criticism. I think that one of the few things we can do to inhibit mafia information inflow is to delay night analysis posts until the end of the night. Does this reduce our info? no. But it inhibits the mafia.
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On December 07 2011 03:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Tonight the mafia may have already made their decision, but if we can get the same info without exposing ourselves more by delaying an analysis post another hour, is that really a bad idea? One thought would be that we need as much information as possible, but I'm not saying we shouldn't have the info, just that a minor delay is good. Five hours is what we're talking about here.
Yes, because it's not just about your own analysis. It's about your analysis and everyone else reacting to (or ignoring) it. An isolated read isn't as good as being able to analyse people's responces.
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On December 07 2011 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 03:59 xtfftc wrote:On December 07 2011 03:50 Blazinghand wrote:On December 07 2011 03:47 xtfftc wrote:Also, why are the red points red points now but weren't red points 20 minutes ago? On December 07 2011 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Basically, why come at me now for my position when, relative to you, my position has become closer? If anything, I moved form an unfavorable position (thinking we shouldn't post at night) to a favorable position (our night posts should be closer to the deadline). If it was reasonable to call me out for this, it became LESS reasonable in the 20 minutes between your two posts. On December 07 2011 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
UHN YEAH THATS RIGHT WHATCHA GONNA SAY NOW MR INCONSISTENT My first post wasn't directed at you but at everyone and in my second post I focused on your position on the issue and awared you your red points. I would like you to re-read my posts carefully and inform me if you still see any inconsistency. See, you've bolded the wrong part of my post. It shouldn't be On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to. Instead, it should be On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to. You still haven't answered my question. Decent dodge though. Why didn't I earn red points previously? Why wait to call me out until my position became more moderate? I did answer it. I wrote "My first post wasn't directed at you but at everyone and in my second post I focused on your position on the issue and awared you your red points." I came back from work, posted my question, and went on to read the thread to look for stuff to analyse while waiting for people to react. You did, so I replied to you. Dunno how you see anything wrong with it. Ah, ok. That's a fair point. The initial post was made not having read my post, and the second post was made not being aware of my position that it's up to you and that delaying has some advantages. What do you think of my defense of the "delay posting analysis" idea? So far you've said it's "Red Points" because it was suggested by V7, but that's not an adequate criticism. I think that one of the few things we can do to inhibit mafia information inflow is to delay night analysis posts until the end of the night. Does this reduce our info? no. But it inhibits the mafia.
This is what I posted first (just before mentioning Vader):
On December 07 2011 03:22 xtfftc wrote:
The mafia love keeping quiet during the night because there's much less pressure to vote after the lynch - but if we engage in a discussion, they would be forced to do so.
And also, the post just above this one where I clarified it again.
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Blazinghand
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On December 07 2011 04:06 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 03:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Tonight the mafia may have already made their decision, but if we can get the same info without exposing ourselves more by delaying an analysis post another hour, is that really a bad idea? One thought would be that we need as much information as possible, but I'm not saying we shouldn't have the info, just that a minor delay is good. Five hours is what we're talking about here. Yes, because it's not just about your own analysis. It's about your analysis and everyone else reacting to (or ignoring) it. An isolated read isn't as good as being able to analyse people's responces.
Hm. That's true, the extra 24 hours may make the difference. On the other hand, it's worth noting that at the beginning of the day, we do receive another piece of information: assuming that either (a) there is no doctor or (b) the doctor guesses wrong, one of us dies and is a confirmed townie or blue. A dead confirmed townie or blue, but a confirmed townie or blue no less. This information might be unhelpful but it could also play a big role in terms of analysis.
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On December 07 2011 04:09 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:On December 07 2011 03:59 xtfftc wrote:On December 07 2011 03:50 Blazinghand wrote:On December 07 2011 03:47 xtfftc wrote:Also, why are the red points red points now but weren't red points 20 minutes ago? On December 07 2011 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Basically, why come at me now for my position when, relative to you, my position has become closer? If anything, I moved form an unfavorable position (thinking we shouldn't post at night) to a favorable position (our night posts should be closer to the deadline). If it was reasonable to call me out for this, it became LESS reasonable in the 20 minutes between your two posts. On December 07 2011 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
UHN YEAH THATS RIGHT WHATCHA GONNA SAY NOW MR INCONSISTENT My first post wasn't directed at you but at everyone and in my second post I focused on your position on the issue and awared you your red points. I would like you to re-read my posts carefully and inform me if you still see any inconsistency. See, you've bolded the wrong part of my post. It shouldn't be On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to. Instead, it should be On December 07 2011 03:01 xtfftc wrote:
Just came back from work. Do you guys reckon I should post my new analysis now or closer to the deadline? Usually we would like to keep the discussion going but considering that pretty much everyone else is happy to lurk today, I wonder whether I should post close to the deadline to make it harder for the mafia to switch if they want to. You still haven't answered my question. Decent dodge though. Why didn't I earn red points previously? Why wait to call me out until my position became more moderate? I did answer it. I wrote "My first post wasn't directed at you but at everyone and in my second post I focused on your position on the issue and awared you your red points." I came back from work, posted my question, and went on to read the thread to look for stuff to analyse while waiting for people to react. You did, so I replied to you. Dunno how you see anything wrong with it. Ah, ok. That's a fair point. The initial post was made not having read my post, and the second post was made not being aware of my position that it's up to you and that delaying has some advantages. What do you think of my defense of the "delay posting analysis" idea? So far you've said it's "Red Points" because it was suggested by V7, but that's not an adequate criticism. I think that one of the few things we can do to inhibit mafia information inflow is to delay night analysis posts until the end of the night. Does this reduce our info? no. But it inhibits the mafia. This is what I posted first (just before mentioning Vader): Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 03:22 xtfftc wrote:
The mafia love keeping quiet during the night because there's much less pressure to vote after the lynch - but if we engage in a discussion, they would be forced to do so. And also, the post just above this one where I clarified it again.
Note that I am not a fan of stopping the discussion at any point. I like to keep people talking. I like lynching lurkers. Putting pressure on the mafia is a great idea and is the #1 way to get them to slip up. However, I think this is counterbalanced by the danger of providing additional information to the mafia at night.
Look, any analysis post that could have been posted before the voting deadline SHOULD HAVE BEEN posted before the voting deadline, to maximize town info pre-vote, right? The only new info we get is whether the target was a townie or a red. In this case, we somewhat suspected BByte to be townie, just a lurker-- and so that new info wasn't particularly interesting.
This means that at night, we have no new info to work off of. Any analysis post worth posting would be worth posting beforehand. This means that we'd want to generate discussion again and analyze based off that, and I think that would give the mafia too much information. The fact of the matter is, if they're gonna lurk, we're gonna lynch them, and taking 24 hours to deny them some information while we wait for more info (who got killed) sounds reasonable to me.
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On December 07 2011 04:09 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 04:06 xtfftc wrote:On December 07 2011 03:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Tonight the mafia may have already made their decision, but if we can get the same info without exposing ourselves more by delaying an analysis post another hour, is that really a bad idea? One thought would be that we need as much information as possible, but I'm not saying we shouldn't have the info, just that a minor delay is good. Five hours is what we're talking about here. Yes, because it's not just about your own analysis. It's about your analysis and everyone else reacting to (or ignoring) it. An isolated read isn't as good as being able to analyse people's responces. Hm. That's true, the extra 24 hours may make the difference. On the other hand, it's worth noting that at the beginning of the day, we do receive another piece of information: assuming that either (a) there is no doctor or (b) the doctor guesses wrong, one of us dies and is a confirmed townie or blue. A dead confirmed townie or blue, but a confirmed townie or blue no less. This information might be unhelpful but it could also play a big role in terms of analysis.
Seeing the flips can definitely help your own reads, I suggest that you try to reread the thread after each death because it may give you some new perspective.
That said do not use the flips as a base for a case against somebody because that is likely to have been manipulated by scum
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