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On November 25 2011 06:45 youngminii wrote:
I've had a change of heart.
Palmar, I'll support you if you decide to lynch BC. I can't see how a detective/rolecop day 1 plan to check their sanity would be feasible in a huge game like this with so many new players. You'd think a player of his experience would know better than that.
I mean, he recognises that certain things aren't possible in a game like this: "Also, enforcing a Policy Lynch system like LAL in a game of noobies who do not realize just how bad a lie is in this game is not productive. It is good to educate them that lying is bad but until they see the downside to it we will not get them to stop."
He reeks of scum.
No, I will not lynch BC on day 1.
He will not have any sway over town after day 1, so at worst he'll be a lurking scum and at best a good townie and a possible mafia target. He has done nothing to warrant a lynch aside from pushing a bad plan, and if we killed people for pushing bad plans we'd be lynching sandroba day 1 every game.
While he should have recognized that his plan was, at worst destructive and at best unhelpful, he didn't back down easily and he kept defending it. Most scum who get called out on shitty plans just give up and try to shed suspicion. I find it far fetched that a scum BC would do this on day 1.
What gives the change of heart? Why do you suddenly trust me enough to be the mayor of this town? Have I done something particularly town looking? Is my suggestion of killing you good enough to prove to you I'm not scum?
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No, if you were to kill BC (who I think is scum) then that would show me you have the intention of killing scum. Apparently you don't, so that speaks for itself.
I fully disagree with your "Most scum who get called out on shitty plans just give up and try to shed suspicion." No experienced player would suggest an idea like that then back down straight away. Not that that by itself is scummy or anything, but what you said is plain wrong.
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On November 25 2011 06:45 youngminii wrote:
I've had a change of heart.
Palmar, I'll support you if you decide to lynch BC. I can't see how a detective/rolecop day 1 plan to check their sanity would be feasible in a huge game like this with so many new players. You'd think a player of his experience would know better than that.
I mean, he recognises that certain things aren't possible in a game like this: "Also, enforcing a Policy Lynch system like LAL in a game of noobies who do not realize just how bad a lie is in this game is not productive. It is good to educate them that lying is bad but until they see the downside to it we will not get them to stop."
He reeks of scum.
you've had a change of heart because you're afraid of getting lynched day 1?
BC "reeks of scum" solely because of his detective/rolecop plan, which actually is, IMO, a pretty damn good idea?
I think the smell you experience is the one emanating from yourself.
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On November 25 2011 06:53 youngminii wrote:
No, if you were to kill BC (who I think is scum) then that would show me you have the intention of killing scum. Apparently you don't, so that speaks for itself.
I fully disagree with your "Most scum who get called out on shitty plans just give up and try to shed suspicion." No experienced player would suggest an idea like that then back down straight away. Not that that by itself is scummy or anything, but what you said is plain wrong.
Yes, there is the possibility that he recognized the common reaction would be to cave in, and thus did the opposite.
Thing is, I believe BC's alignment will become apparent through his actions in the game. I'm not going to lynch him based on little reasoning on day 1 because you of all people want me to.
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Wait, so youngminii's post wasn't sarcastic?
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wait why aren't people voting for me? (except for serejai ♥)
I would be the best mayor of all time, plus my day 1 lynch is Nisani!
Oh, I can vote for myself, didn't see that. 
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=126438
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2011 02:39 redFF wrote:because i think i found scum Show nested quote +"If you are afraid that you might make a silly mistake because this is your first game, and scum will jump on you for it and try to get you lynched, you need to vote me for mayor."
Let me explain why I strongly disagree with that sentence in so many ways:
This sentence appeals to your emotions: This sentence scares you. Noone wants to get lynched for one little mistake.
Town tries to be objective. We want to see the facts. The truth! We don't go the emotional way:
What prplhz hasn't done is to proove what he says: Did he link any games where he defended an innocent townie who was being lynched? I can think of a game where Palmar and I defended innocent townies two days in a row. But I don't have prplhz in mind when it comes down to defend someone who's innocent.
The assumption that scum jumps on you for little mistakes is wrong! In fact, everyone jumps on you for little mistakes! And that is good! We have to start somewhere. And therefor we need a healthy portion of aggression.
If people jump on you, don't be afraid. Explain yourself. Defend yourself. It's part of this game. It's the only way to get informations.
supersoft hit the nail on the head right there. more things Show nested quote +I have the very useful talent to be able to tell bad townie play apart from scummy play. that just seems like a lie with absolutely no backing to appeal to newbies with no idea what they're doing to vote him. Show nested quote +sinani206
I guess he's also running. sinani206 has a reputation for being lurky, emotional and notoriously hard to read. He has not provided any incentive for us to vote for him other than listing past games. The first game is an example of how he apparently single handedly saved the mafia from losing. The second game is a game where he was able to abuse role mechanics to secure a town win. I have not read the other games but as you can probably read from the thread, sinani206 would be a terrible candidate for mayor. We would most likely have to lynch him day2 no matter what his alignment is. it's really weird that he wrote a whole paragraph on sinani... so yeah i would lynch prplz right now Show nested quote +Palmar is also one of those guys who are insanely hard to lynch, I don't want to see a scum Palmar who is unkillable and almost impossible to lynch. this is just wrong, mayor is under a lot more scrutiny and is more likely to be lynched.
I completely agree with redFF there:
prplhz whole campaign aims on scaring you!
"If you are afraid that you might make a silly mistake because this is your first game, and scum will jump on you for it and try to get you lynched, you need to vote me for mayor."
"if you are afraid that the mayor will become arrogant and not feel like he has to answer to anybody, you need to vote me for mayor."
"If you are afraid of how bad it would be for town to have an unlynchable and unkillable scum leading the town as mayor, then you need to vote for me."
Only Scum is constantly afraid of getting lynched for a silly scumslip. Only scum is afraid that they lose their influence and scum is afraid to have an unkillable townmayor.
prplhz is pushing a scumagenda.
I guess he's scum: Why else would he run for mayor. He complained about the fact that he is getting lynched all the time, no matter what his alignment is. His selfconfidence was/is non-existing. I think he's scum and wants to try something out.
The town prplhz is the scummy spammer type of player.
NEXT:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 24 2011 22:52 Erandorr wrote:
Okay,
Vote Erandorr for Mayor!
I have put some thought into this. People like Palmar, Sandro or BC would be a huge asset for Town if we could be sure of their alignment. Strong town players in those positions can almost win games by themselves. The recent PYP game proves that.
Yet I still feel very uncomfortable . These players all have the skill to massivly fuck over town if they are scum. BC is rumored to have the best Scumplay on TL, Sandro was considered Town for a very long time in PYP with a great early game , and Palmars play is extremely hard to judge, even though he claims differently.
Now why do I think that I am a better candidate then those guys?
- I will be active and try to push town in the right direction. I recently changed my play to this sort of style (Look up Mini Mafia X for that )
- I think I am good enough to get called out on any bad or scummy posts.
- There are incredibly good players to judge my play
- I am transparant
- I am town
Some talking points :
Newbies
Basicly no one is going to play well in their first game. I don't know of anyone who did. But to use something some smart Player once said : The greatest thing you can do as a Townie is making you alignment apparant. If you stay lurking in the shadows, we have nothing to asses you and will probably have to waste Powerroles or lynches to get rid of you. In that case you are actually hurting town more than helping. Thats why there is so much focus on activity. Its okay if your reads are a bit off in your first game, it is usually fairly easy to spot the intentions behind it. It is especially important because we have no information about you , your playstyle and capabilities(Meta)
Lurkers
I still think it would be naive to assume that every newbie will follow those directions. Palmars plan to coordinate Lurker shootings is great, so I will just go ahead and steal it.
If you are not a newbie, please don't pick this game to not give a shit. This is not a game where we can afford it.
My propsed plan on this: Coodinate the lurker shootings and go hard after every experienced player who feels content hiding in the masses of players.
Liars
Don't.
Day1 Lynch
I would never single handedly decide this. In case of being elected, I will try to get a majority, I would , however, never lynch someone I myself have a townread on.
I believe thats it. Vote Erandorr for Mayor!
Erandorr, the guy who runs for mayor simply because he can. Don't you think it's disturbing if everyone posts the same boring mayorpost?! Wtf is the purpose of this. Stop disturbing and start contributing.
And another one that caused my attention:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=62525
He votes redFF and that's okay because i am confident with redFF being sherrif. But overall he's sheeping prplhz a tiny bit too much.
random truth btw:
On November 25 2011 03:54 redFF wrote:
EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED IN THE VOTING THREAD HAS TO COME POST HERE TELLING US WHY THEY VOTED WHO THEY DID.
Do it!
Last but not least, my vote remains on Palmar.
I understand that he's not superagressive right now, because that would cause the noobs to panic.
However I expect a little bit more from him.
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I actually agree on prplhz; he has only three posts so far but they are all long and carefully written, which is in contrast with his usual style.
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On November 25 2011 02:10 DeadlyPsycho wrote:
In my previous mafia games, the mafia are usually the ones who are the MOST vocal to go against someone, especially when there is no hard proof :o
Like right now, when its not even past day 1
Editing is against the rules and will result in a modkill. Consider yourself warned.
As a note/reminder to new players, feel free to make multiple posts if you need to edit something or make an addendum (Just don't spam, try to keep as much as you can in one post ^_^)
Thanks.
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On November 25 2011 07:17 syllogism wrote:
I actually agree on prplhz; he has only three posts so far but they are all long and carefully written, which is in contrast with his usual style.
What do you think about YM and BC?
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Why not to vote for Palmar
- Almost always wins as Mafia
- Unlynchable
- Too persuasive
- Shoots DTs
- Too popular (scumwagon?)
- Wanted to kill person who was opposing his campaign (Youngminii) (Why is that in town's best interests?)
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On November 25 2011 07:17 syllogism wrote:
I actually agree on prplhz; he has only three posts so far but they are all long and carefully written, which is in contrast with his usual style.
∴ Mafia?
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i voted sandroba because his name is just really cool
and i think his campaign post made sense
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lol I have a feeling there's gonna be a massive veteran player genocide on n1
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On November 25 2011 07:54 tube wrote:
i voted sandroba because his name is just really cool
and i think his campaign post made sense
This is your only post in the thread. Please elaborate on some of sandroba's idea's that you found to "make sense."
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On November 25 2011 08:04 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 07:54 tube wrote:
i voted sandroba because his name is just really cool
and i think his campaign post made sense This is your only post in the thread. Please elaborate on some of sandroba's idea's that you found to "make sense."
I dont think you get to call people out on posts with a lack of content...
Exibit A: your campain.
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Exhibit B: his extensive, shitty meta.
And by extensive, I mean extensive in scope of shittiness.
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@tube please provide a better reasoning for your post. You do realise that by being sketchy and voting for me actually works against getting me elected, so if that's not you intent please put some effort and explain your reasoning.
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i dont see whats sketchy
i just gave my explanation as to why i voted for you like redff asked everyone to do
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I voted for sinani206 because he's a patriot ('MERICA, FUCK YEAH!) and because all the other candidates probably want to lynch me.
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