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On November 13 2011 14:12 Curu wrote: Better for you if you're Mafia! Oh hey we no lynched because I wasn't around? EU time bro!!! I have never been Mafia without you btw. You are such a shitty influence ^.^ | ||
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says the guy who is not even lvl 30 and thinks bot lane is too hard ^.^ | ||
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against those high lvl opponents. Sorry for having doubted you but not everyonce could do that to lvl 8 guys ! | ||
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On November 14 2011 21:54 Radfield wrote: We're starting tonight at 02:00 GMT (+00:00) Deadline at 3 am is actually not as bad as in some other games ^.^ | ||
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On November 15 2011 01:47 wherebugsgo wrote: Start time is excellent; all my HW is due and by that time I will be ready to relax lolol. Deutsch exam in an hour, see you guys onthe other side! Hopefully by the time I'm back and exhausted there will be a mafia game to play/troll ICH BIN EINE BRATWURST! did i do that right? | ||
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On November 15 2011 05:55 GMarshal wrote: vier fünf sechs sieben, wo ist denn mein ball geblieben? Sorry I do not know what happened to your balls ![]() | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:30 wherebugsgo wrote: lolll or in my case: "wtf I wasn't here that lynch was terrible" I can't remember a day 1 lynch I liked. I don't think such a thing exists. ## Vote WBG | ||
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On November 15 2011 12:46 jaybrundage wrote: So if we are not lynching WBG then who do yall suggest we lynch prplhz I suggest that you read every guide available on TL or actually look how other games are played before you post again in here. Thats not meant as an insult but someone playing that badly in their first game is very hard to read and in the end will only hurt town. So if you are anything other than red I would suggest you put some work in, please ![]() So guys lets start playing ! On November 15 2011 10:18 hiro protagonist wrote: No its not. Palmar is spot on about WBG's play. His overly aggressive play does not create good town atmosphere IMO. I would vote on him just on that alone. I would hope that the threat of a meta lynch would change his style. On November 15 2011 10:49 hiro protagonist wrote: Im not trolling I was sort of trolling when I voted Wbg, question is why would you not actually vote for him if you seriously think that? You Scum? On November 15 2011 10:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Guys guys guys. Did I really just read palmar call for a lynch of a player who hasn't posted in the thread? And even worse, people are listening to him? -_- Are we stll pregame trolling? Apparantly we are or you would have made a post with actual content and getting us on track instead of .. well.. that | ||
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On November 15 2011 17:11 hiro protagonist wrote: I know you where trolling ![]() Im with you Erandorr, I would like to start this game off on the right foot. So lets lay down some frame work: Towns goal for day 1 should be to create a good town atmosphere. What is good town atmosphere you ask? Well there is the obvious stuff like dont lurk, post with content etc. But there is less obvious stuff like pointless arguing, spam, and aggressive tunneling that Have haunted TL towns in the past. Those things only further scum objectives. I will be taking a hard stance on anyone that derails positive discussion this game. Lets start off on the right foot! Whoa how about you start answering my question instead of ignoring it ? ^.^ What I said before was really not a big deal, just some light teasing but you specificly said you are not trolling. Now if you are not, why would you not answer my question instead of giving us the usual groundrules bullshit? "Lets start this off on the right foot " as in lets ignore what has been said before? On November 15 2011 18:14 hiro protagonist wrote: How bought this, tell my why its bad to bring up lynch based on logic? How about discussing the merits of such a lynch? A side affect of "Palmars plan" stirs discussion, how is that bad? In your two post so far, you have only commented on other players post, without providing any content of you own. And why are you so ultra defensive O.o Prl asked you a completely sensible question and you shout at him instead of discussing which you said was one goal of your post on bugs. Thats basicly contradicting yourself. Prl as well as everybody else has to provide content, of course but that does not mean you have the right to shout at him when you don't provide content especially since I specificly asked you a question . Oh and just to be clear I think it would be absolutely retarded to lynch Bugs like that. This is a mini, we really can't afford to shoot someone based on meta alone. I know wbg can be a bit difficult, but he is not a bad player. Brilliant Idea : Lets see him post first, analyze his posts and if he is scum we make a case that proves it. I know this concept seems strange but I feel like we should try it out . | ||
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Palmar will you stop if I say pretty please? This is a mini and the thread is not going so fast. You said its very clear for everyone to see if you are Scum or not. That may be the case if you provided something to go on , which you are not doing and as you know thats not the exactly the greatest townplay. You rolling over again cause Scum is boring? | ||
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On November 16 2011 03:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Wow, this is going really slow. Here's something to get people talking: If you could pick one player (Not yourself) to make mayor (decides day 1 lynch + a couple night's worth of protection), who would it be and why? I would personally pick MZ. He's level headed, and a decent scum-hunter, so I don't think he'd do anything crazy with a day 1 lynch, and the protection would come in handy with letting him live until later when he could scum-hunt more effectively. Back to you guys. Or you could talk about the game. As in waht you are proposing that does not really help us but instead wastes a ton of time. Maybe MZ would make a great Mayor in general, but his only post was shit. Why not talk about what is already there and how do you think your suggestion could help in any way? In my opinion it does not get anything going because it in no way puts pressure on Scum or forces them to reveal information Turned around it also does not help establishing townies either. For example I respect Sandro a lot (because he helps me with my dwarf fortress ! ) and he is a good Scumhunter. But I could say he would make a great mayor if I was Town OR Scum because it is not related to this game and the alignments and you seem to ignore what people(in this case MZ) already did until now. At this point I actually just want to lynch the Lurker who produced the least amount of content at the end of this day. Anyone else like that Idea? | ||
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prplhz : On November 16 2011 04:54 prplhz wrote: Erandorr is on to something. You guys all suck. jaybrundage has a valid excuse but people like Mr. Wiggles and Palmar don't. Stop being derps. Your only real post was discussing a blind meta lynch and you only gave some numbers about it. Then you honestly think you can get away with that shit of a post? Palmar : If you are town please behave and play properly instead of ... this . Usually you start trying at some point as town so now would be a good time, yes? WBG ... Wiggles Really bad first(and only) post as I already stated and nothing from then on Jay Town newbie or Scum newbie? Sandro In his favor he tried to get some conversation going. BUT he did not try to do anything else to move this along and from what I have heard and seen, we should expect a lot more of someone like him Meapak Huh. I dont quite know what to make of him right now, but I figure we can give him a bit more time. I guess the fitting description would be "Not as bad as a lot of others ?" which says a lot about this game right now. Now this is on everyone except Hiro( I have to put a bit more work into that one ) The point I am trying to make is that you guys all flat out suck right now. The lesson that got hammered into my brain was that making it sure to establish yourself as town is the most important goal you have. There are 6 town players in that list I made and right now that seems very hard to believe. Lets say someone good like Sandroba is Scum. If he keeps up what he is doing right now, which is sitting there and posting something semi-useful he can get away with it because you, the other townies, give him the opportunity to do so. Right now scum can basicly sit there and keep their head down, because none of you do anything usefull at all. Same goes for Palmar. He can be very good at this game and that his play right now has not even been brought up yet startles me a little bit. Sure he is known for trolling like crazy especially early game, but that is not an excuse. Same goes for those who are known to be less strong, too. If a scum team can get away with being a tiny bit less scummy then the townies running around then you should not applaud them but shit on the town who let it happen. I will be back writing about Hiro but I feel like this had to be said first. | ||
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I think hiro is looking pretty bad right now but the way WBG argues pissed me off so much that I had to write about it . The worst part is that its a post by post analysis looking to catch scum by slips and ignoring everything else thats going on. I almost have a feeling that he just filters people and then writes his analysis that way . No its not. Palmar is spot on about WBG's play. His overly aggressive play does not create good town atmosphere IMO. I would vote on him just on that alone. I would hope that the threat of a meta lynch would change his style. First post of the game. Completely agrees with Palmar when Palmar wasn't even correct. He doesn't even agree with Palmar on why I would make a good lynch. Palmar suggests that I'd make a good lynch on the simple fact that I am difficult to read and that I am a bigger threat to town as scum rather than a benefit as town. Hiro thinks I should be lynched because he doesn't like my aggressiveness. There's a huge difference here. Most telling is the fact that hiro agrees without actually knowing what my scum play looks like. Palmar's vote hinges primarily on the assumption that my scum play is good. But Hiros point is not actually as bad as you make it sound. You are overly agressive and have destroyed games nearly by yourself (XLV comes to mind) Its not about your Scumplay for him it is about your play in general. In fact, you can even smell that hiro reacted in a way that suggests he already knows I'm town. Otherwise, why would he bring up my aggressiveness specifically when I am town on his own accord? because he is not talking about that... On November 15 2011 10:49 hiro protagonist wrote: Im not trolling Shocking. shut up On November 15 2011 17:11 hiro protagonist wrote: I know you where trolling ![]() Im with you Erandorr, I would like to start this game off on the right foot. So lets lay down some frame work: Towns goal for day 1 should be to create a good town atmosphere. What is good town atmosphere you ask? Well there is the obvious stuff like dont lurk, post with content etc. But there is less obvious stuff like pointless arguing, spam, and aggressive tunneling that Have haunted TL towns in the past. Those things only further scum objectives. I will be taking a hard stance on anyone that derails positive discussion this game. Lets start off on the right foot! He says that he's going to take a hard stance on anyone who derails positive discussion, and that good posting involves posts with content. The very post in which this is said has no content. Definition of hypocrisy. This point is debatable. If you are really bad at this game (and hiro never proved differently) its actually possble that this post was made by a townie. That you missed the really scummy parts is kind of funny but I will get to that when I write about Hiro myself On November 15 2011 18:14 hiro protagonist wrote: How bought this, tell my why its bad to bring up lynch based on logic? How about discussing the merits of such a lynch? A side affect of "Palmars plan" stirs discussion, how is that bad? In your two post so far, you have only commented on other players post, without providing any content of you own. What's not so surprising here is that hiro doesn't understand what logic actually is. What's sad is that he thinks Palmar's vote reason was an example of good logic. Now let me ask you. If he actually thinks thats an example of good logic, doesnt that mean you are saying he is dumb. Does being dumb make him scum? Palmar's plan surely stirred discussion. And you're right hiro, it isn't bad, since you were outed by it. So thanks, Palmar. shut up The funniest part of this post is the end. Hiro gets incredibly defensive on prpl and accuses prpl of making useless posts. Once again, hypocrisy. I agree with that one a bit. On November 16 2011 05:00 hiro protagonist wrote: I tend not to answer questions about me that can be answered by reading my post ![]() Shout at him? I was just typing 0_o. He ask a question about something I did not do. I did not place a vote on WBG. I agree that It would be dumb to try and lynch someone that has not posted yet. But whats wrong about threatening to lynch someone if they play like they did in past games that have been anti town? I got nothing against bugs, but there is nothing wrong about encouraging him to change his meta a bit for the good of this game is there? hopefully that answers your question. Okay, so first hiro says he doesn't answer questions about himself that can be read in his posts. Yet, he never actually explained why he was okay with pressuring me, but not okay with actually going one step further and being part of that pressure with a vote. Erandorr's question was perfectly valid, and very telling of hiro's alignment. Scum aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is; they tend to be cautious when cementing their thoughts with a vote. Let's keep this in mind, since it comes into play later. yeah that part is true too On November 16 2011 05:00 hiro protagonist wrote: Again, putting words in my mouth. I argued lynching Wbg if he plays like his usually overly aggressive/tunneling self. No where do I say we should blind lynch anyone. 0_o So, with that out of the way, I would like to here more from Meapak, as he is the only one that has not said something game relevant yet. Also jaybrundage, dont be shy, We know your new to the game so we wont hold it against you. tell us what you think of the other player so far ^_^ Let's also keep this in mind; note how hiro accuses sandro of putting words in his mouth. Remember that. Also what's weird is that he says he wants to hear more from Meapak, who apparently is the only one who has not said anything game relevant. Wtf? What happened to me? Did he just forget about me because Meapak became suspicious of him? what is this retarded shit that you actually just wrote down there? If he was scum and you were town why would he want to ignore another lurker to force attention away from him? The only way this makes sense is if you are actually scum and want to bus your teammate or... he forgot you? On November 16 2011 05:06 hiro protagonist wrote: How about the content in your posts before this one 0_0 ? who had more to say? Hiro responds to the accusation that his posts are useless with a counter accusation. Let's keep this in mind too. yup thats defensive On November 16 2011 05:35 hiro protagonist wrote: Did it attempt to set the tone for the day? Yes. Did it give my feelings on pointless arguing and tunneling? Yes. Does it give a framework for newer players? Yes. I know "game mechanics" type post dont reveal alinement, but that does not make them useless. Why are you trying to say otherwise? Okay, you can tell this post is total and utter bullshit just by the fact that he claims he was trying to set a framework for newer players. Newsflash: If anyone actually read the player list for this game, there is only ONE new player. Jaybrundage. Everyone else knows how to play mafia, and this cop out excuse is a total bunch of shit. Nice fail. Thats one point he is adding to make his defence stronger. Hiro is not looking good but this is no way to do an analysis. On November 16 2011 07:02 hiro protagonist wrote: No shit mafia want to look like town without actually trying to help. They also want a bad atmosphere to hide in. By saying my post is worthless, your saying that its cool to spam, argue, and tunnel, which mafia love. You are pushing pro mafia ideas. So my FoS still stands. Alright, remember how I said to keep in mind that hiro accused sandro of putting words in his mouth? Here we see hiro putting words in Meapak's mouth. Once again, blatant hypocrite. Hiro's posts, by all standards, are completely worthless. The jump from Meapak calling hiro's post useless to Meapak encouraging spam, arguing, tunneling, and pro-mafia ideas in general is incredibly illogical. It's also completely dead wrong. Its ultra defensive OMGUS. Scummy but not as harsh as you make it look On November 16 2011 07:17 hiro protagonist wrote: -__- ill be back in 24 hours Okay, good. Wait for it On November 16 2011 07:56 hiro protagonist wrote: being loud does not mean your right Meapak. I stand behind everything I said. Just because you say its worthless does not make it so. How am I to start the game then. Troll like everyone else? Im being active and contributing while some players have said next to nothing. "OMG! someone is acting pro town! he must be scum trying to fit in!" This is your logic for lynching me. WAIT WTF I THOUGHT YOU LEFT shut up At any rate, remember how hiro responded to Meapak's accusation that hiro's post was useless? Right, he accused Meapak of writing useless posts. Well, here he suggests that Meapak is throwing around baseless accusations about hiro's post quality. Well, wtf is hiro doing then, if not exactly that? Then he goes and shits himself when trying to make meapak look bad. He accuses meapak of trying to lynch a pro-town player. rofl. OMGUS. Hiro is bad at mafia. And you start repeating yourself. Scummy as hell? yeap. Confirmed Scum? Nope. On November 16 2011 08:06 hiro protagonist wrote: I want to lynch Meapak. I would love to see more/any posts from Sandroba, Palmar, Wiggles, and WBG but there on my radar too. If you were not voting for me, who would you like to lynch? This is arguably the most telling post that hiro has made the entire game. He says he wants to lynch Meapak, but does not vote him. What kind of townie does that? What kind of townie is afraid to take attention, to take heat for leading a lynch? No townie. This pretty much sums it up perfectly. What kind of Mafia player would call not voting for someone you think is supsicius the biggest scumtell a player could make in that situation? WBG. Okay this was just a rant not designed to do anything but convince people not to listen to bugs too much My own analysis will be coming up tomorrow morning its 2:30 AM and I need to get some sleep. Also Sandro Wiggles and Palmar , you guys are actually good at this game so please start doing something of value, yes? | ||
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Since you guys are having fun talking about everyone in this game , what do you think àbout each other at this point? I would also like to point out that Hiro still is scummy. Sandro you said that Hiros posts are genuine but what do you think about his earlier posts. I specificly asked Hiro a question and his answer was I know you where trolling In the same post he give us the usual game mechanics crap and repeats twice that he wants to "start the game on the right foot" This seemed wrong combined with the fact that when I asked him to answer my question, he still did not do it. If you want to start the game off right, I think most people would prefer actual discussion instead of posting about game mechanics. That says "Look I am trying" more than actually doing something. It still is possible that he actually thought that it was the best he could do and he is scummy as hell every game he is town, so it is not enough to warrant a lynch, but I still don't think you can say that he is doing fine at the moment. | ||
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Since I am still mad about you saying that I did not provide anything : On November 16 2011 04:12 Erandorr wrote: Or you could talk about the game. As in waht you are proposing that does not really help us but instead wastes a ton of time. Maybe MZ would make a great Mayor in general, but his only post was shit. Why not talk about what is already there and how do you think your suggestion could help in any way? In my opinion it does not get anything going because it in no way puts pressure on Scum or forces them to reveal information Turned around it also does not help establishing townies either. For example I respect Sandro a lot (because he helps me with my dwarf fortress ! ) and he is a good Scumhunter. But I could say he would make a great mayor if I was Town OR Scum because it is not related to this game and the alignments and you seem to ignore what people(in this case MZ) already did until now. At this point I actually just want to lynch the Lurker who produced the least amount of content at the end of this day. Anyone else like that Idea? Really bad first post followed up with this response to me: Until recently, no one has really produced any actual content, in my eyes. We had 4 pages which were basically Palmar asking to lynch WBG before he'd even posted and then for RNGing the lynch and people telling him no. Neither of those even needed a response, they were just bad ideas with no discussion value besides giving people something to bash on. It's like when someone comes up with a bad plan for town and we spend 10 pages attacking it. Everyone can do it and it doesn't produce real content. Basically, I wanted something to read (which I got), and my post drew out a few reactions which I liked. He spins his very bad first post in a way to make it seem pro town. Basicly he is saying that he posted crap to get a response out of people.He is of the opinion that a lot of bad ideas does not lead to anything, yet his did? The thing is that very few people actually talked about it and it certainly did not get discussion going. The responses he got are not conclusive at all but he lets them sound strong, to show that his own shitty post was good, pro town instead of scummy and bad. Too bad no one was really dumb and actually responded to my question though, because most townies here are smart enough to know not to and it would have been an easy scum-tell. He is saying that we are too smart and gave him shit of a scummy post , but the scummy post was really a trap but also got good responses out of people. I don't reaaaally think thats good logic there. | ||
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On November 16 2011 07:09 prplhz wrote: Yea hiro protagonist is scum ##Vote hiro protagonist What happened to this? | ||
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##Vote Wiggles Something no one else has done yet, even though it seems like a lot of people like him for the lynch today. | ||
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On November 16 2011 22:42 prplhz wrote: Making it sound like he's certainly scum is a pretty nice trick to put a ton of pressure on a scum. He doesn't know that we don't know it, it will put a lot of stress on him unless he can keep his head cool. Did I think that he was 100% scum? At that time I was very suspicious and I wanted to put more pressure on him. He handled it very badly but skimming over a couple of his past games, he always plays like this. It sucks, but it's his meta. Also, no one defended him. How did you think you would prevent a bandwagon by going through wherebugsgo's analysis and then agreeing with half of it and sporadically interjecting "shut up"? If you don't think that hiro protagonist is in the green at all, then why don't you want people to bandwagon on him? Mr. Wiggles is the best lynch because he should definitely know better. He's a veteran and then he comes up with an overly simplistic plan to catch dumb people? What the hell? And then he follows up by saying "Lol, I didn't catch any dumb people, afk" and disappears. This isn't good enough. @hiro protagonist If you could lynch one guy right now who would it be and why? Can you keep arguments inside this game please, no lynching wherebugsgo because he called somebody a retard in PYPI or something like that. DId you just ask me why I don't want people to bandwagon someone I am not completely sure of , or bandwagon in general? | ||
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On November 16 2011 23:44 prplhz wrote: @Erandorr So you were not trying to defend hiro protagonist, you were just trying to prevent people from voting for him, even though you thought he was scummy. You did this by saying that you thought that he was pretty bad looking and by agreeing with half of a huge analysis on him. A big part of the rest of the analysis you tried to refute by saying "shut up". Can you see why this makes little sense to me? I can understand being against stupid bandwagons that forms 10 minutes before deadline, but this was 25 hours before deadline and the guy had 2 votes on him. Why wasn't the long post on wherebugsgo very smart by you? I agree with this but I'd like to hear your opinion on it too. Also ##Unvote ##Vote Mr. Wiggles Prplzh, don't be an Idiot please. I don't know if you are genuinly slow right now or deliberatly malicious. I wanted to point out the , to me, very obvious flaws in wbg analysis. It was a stupid thing to do because I did it more out of frustration instead of posting something that would be more helpful to town. The instances in which I said "shut up", which was twice should be very obvious to you because in those cases wbg is just being unbelievably agressive and doing that in a very stupid way. I have no idea what bugs you about that. | ||
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Palmars surprise weirded me out a lot actually. He forced Wiggles into a position where he had to commit and then was surprised that he did exactly that? This feels a bit like he is distancing himself from that possible lynch already. Oh and Palmar is either playing his XLIV Town(cause that one works out great) or scum. I am very surprised he is not pushing the lynch harder, it is so unlike town palmer. Just sitting around while town derps themself is kinda like Scum palmar though. The thing with palmar is that he could be doing this as both Scum and town, which makes him very hard to read. Its possible that he is town and just provoking a ton of reactions with different accusations. His gameplay in this is once again completely focused around himself and not what is good for town in general. Thats what I hate about it and thats also what makes him so very hard to judge. I need to sleep now, gotta get up in 7 hours. Eurotime excuse! | ||
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On November 18 2011 04:24 chaoser wrote: DAY ENDS IN 6 and a HALF HOURS SEND IN YOUR ACTIONS TO BOTH ME AND RADFIELD WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? | ||
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On November 18 2011 20:10 sandroba wrote: WBG I think is town because he didn't attack my credibility even though he could have easily done so and get away with it since I've posted very little in the first 24 hours. you have to explain that one to me. Oh and I am heading back to university and will post my thoughts in a couple of hours | ||
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Well shit I don't have time now. Just my thoughts in a quick version : I don't know why prplzh has gotten no shit for what he has done this game. The only positive thing he did in my eyes was calling out Wiggles on his own for his bullshit. I would like to hear peoples thoughts on that. I will probably write out everything I noticed tomorrow, but I still encourage everyone to take a look at him and tell me what you think. I don't think Jay has anything to offer for town and has done some questionable things that are scummy even while factoring in that he is very new. If we have some powerroles I think he would make an excellent check/jailthingy. Oh and I would like to know who thinks Hiro still makes a good target, that would be quite neat ^.^ Meapak deserves some thought too.. you know.. eventually. Tunneling a weak player is a pretty convenient way to hide as scum , but the problem is that he had a valid point going after Hiro. Plus he actually soft defended Wiggles and specificly said that he would rather go after Hiro than wiggles. That would be very brave scum play. zz I don't know its possible I guess but he should just post his thoughts as soon as possible. And thats all the time I have on a friday night. Also WBG gets mayor points for trying to keep the thread alive. Thats not in the interest of scum. | ||
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Do you honestly think he would be dumb enough as Scum to draw our attention back to that fact?If he was playing his first game as scum, do you really think he would write something like that about you, an established player and specificly point out that he did not vote at the time you thought he did and that makes your supicion of him a lot stronger? Why would he point out that he held his vote? You think he is actually that bad? | ||
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On November 19 2011 22:12 sandroba wrote: I think no matter what alignment it's already established that he is not the greatest mafia player. However, despite inexperience, I can only explain his actions so far if he is scum. Even in the very begining of the game I got that impression when he threw in the wbg vote and after that it only got worse. If being scum somehow makes you better at mafia in your first game than maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think it's the case. You are missing my point. Your general play will be shit in your first game, but that first vote may have been him being completely clueless and not scum. If you have not played before and see 2 people voting for someone in the first 5 posts or something, don't you think that its possible that he thought that is how we play this game? As Scum, wouldn't you be more likely to shut up and do nothing, instead of pushing somone you know is town? You are talking about the "clueless card" and you think he is not "that " bad but if he is not , why would he point something out to you that makes you even more certain that he is scum? | ||
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On November 19 2011 23:29 jaybrundage wrote: Erandorr what do you think about a lynch on Hiro today Excellent question! | ||
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There are a couple of points worth noting. He agrees with Palmar that he would like to vote WBG, but does not follow up. When I ask him about it he repeats "lets start this game off the right foot" and ignores my question. That is not very like a town player. He then proceeds to give us a generic game mechanic post. THat in itself is not bad, but combined with it being in the same post where he ignored my question, it did look kind of bad. Now everything that he did in the early parts of the game are excusable and in now way make him scum. But there are quite a few ties to Wiggles and some really bad behavior On November 16 2011 12:28 hiro protagonist wrote: OK, here are my reads so far: 1.Palmar - null read, nothing to go on really. curious how he will play the last half of day 1. 2.Mr Wiggles- null read. His first post was obviously trying to draw out reactions. both scum and town would can do that so it sheds no alignment. His second post has his reads on everyone one that responded to him. He does not give his opinion on the current lynch target. 3.Wherebugsgo- Ill get to him last... 4.Meapak_Ziphh- leaning Red. Its not anything that he said, more its his overall style in the game so far. He jumps on easy targets AKA both my "generic post" and Wiggle's first post. He undercuts my statement of trying to start things on the right foot by saying its worthless, something that is clearly a mafia agenda IMO. Will be watching. 5.Erandorr- leaning town. Wants to lead town. Im all for it. 6.prplhz- null read. asks me alot of questions, and has done very little else. Could be scum wanting to make me more skittish (which he is btw) last post makes me feel more townie about him. 7.hiro protagonist- townie. says scummy things, but has the right intentions ^_^ 8.jaybrundage- Null His last post is considerably better than those before it. His post are hard to read. Needs to be more clear. Needs to step up. 9.Sandroba- nothing. And now for my vote. and I will place it on WBG. here is why: -Bugs still has the same arrogant aggressive Behavior as every other game hes played. He is wrong most of the time as town, and It has cost the town the game on more than one occasion. -I dont think we should allow someone that can be so obtuse and grating a free pass. -I simply am gonna ignore WBGs for the rest of the game, but that will be easier once he is no longer in it. ##Vote: Wherebugsgo This was his only post with content, or somethign like that. Palmar gave me shit for a similar post ( correctly, although I did have other intentions behind it) but notice how little Hiro is actually saying ,. First of he has nullreads on nearly everybody and his best target at that point is WBG, still for the same reasons he stated at the start. He does not even seem to think that WBG is playing particularly scummy, just very annoying and he does not want to deal with him. Notice also that he soft defends Wiggles twice. He spins Wiggles first post in a pro-town manner and then defends him again when talking about MZ (I bolded those parts) filter + Show Spoiler + Ok, first off, Meapak: This is his first game relevint post: On November 16 2011 04:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I guess this will be one of Palmar's off games then. Anyway, I'd feel good about lynching Wiggles right now. While it's true that the game has been slow there's still stuff to talk about. Wiggles decided to ignore the whole Palmar thing and told everyone to sit back and talk about completely irelevant things for no appparent purpose. Also I'd feel grand lynching hiro. Show nested quote + This post is so unbelievable worthless that my mind has a hard time comprehending it. This is like a textbook example of contributing without contributing and fluff posting. The part in red had me laughing it was so hypocritical. Solid in calling out people. aggresive. I make a point that my post was not worthless, arguing that posting it early in the day and when most people had not posted much the reason that it had worth. To "set the tone" i said. Meapak disagrees and we argue some back and forth when he responds to something I said with this: On November 16 2011 07:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + wow... just wow. This is the worst logic fail I've ever seen. I said your post was worthless because, news flash, it was. Me saying that your post is worthless =/= me promoting spam and tunneling and whatnot. Just because I said you're fluff posting doesn't mean I support "pro mafia ideas." Congrats on becoming a better lynch targer then Mr. Wiggles. His logic his correct and I have to admit that my logic is weak, as well as hypocritical. something that WBG will later bring up. he then disperse's for awhile comes back with this: On November 17 2011 06:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So Wiggles, please show me where I "make multiple aggressive moves towards people before settling on hiro." Your whole little case against me is essentially a rehash of what hiro wrote. It was bad when hiro wrote it and it's bad now. Still, I don't think Wiggles is the best lynch for today. The case against Wiggles started when sandroba decided to start playing the game. Palmar jumped on board and those two got things started. Now the case isn't completely baseless. I've seen Wiggles play third party and scum and his current play does smell suspiciously like that. However I'd rather lynch hiro, who's scummy behavior has only increased since last time I brought him up. Notice that since the case against Wiggles was brought up, hiro has posted ZERO times. This is a huge scumtell in that once the pressure's off he goes back to lurking. A townie would still be contributing, however a mafia would want to get out of the discussion as soon as the pressure is off. no changing his mind. My conclusion is that he is actively pushing a lynch based on solid logic. also comments about a few others like wiggles, Erandorr, giving his opinion on them. Giving him a second look, I less inclined to think he is scum, but will be watching him as the days go on. now, on to wiggles: so, other than his "throw out a lure" first post he has only posted twice. spolierd for length + Show Spoiler + Now one thing has caught my eye, and thats the following: first in his post he talks about Meapak: Meapak_Ziphh: Here's our aggressive player. He jumped on my post a lot more forcefully than Erandorr did, before quickly moving on to Palmar, WBG, and then finally Hiro. I'm interested in seeing how he plays after Day 1, because right now he's just cycling through targets, and that could either be him as a townie trying to pressure and find scum, or as scum trying to elicit a response from a skittish townie or blue and take us to a mislynch. He needs to be watched for how he forms his analysis and what the content of it is. Remember this bolded part. So when there is some heat on, says this: On November 17 2011 00:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Meapak_Ziphh on the other hand, has shown that he's definitely scummy. He was trying to play the hyper-aggressive townie, but he hasn't played his role quite well enough. Notice that he makes aggressive moves towards multiple players in a short period of time, before settling on hiro. This is enough to establish himself as "scumhunting", but then he never follows up. There's barely any additional pressure on hiro after his vote, he doesn't try to convince anyone else in the town to vote for hiro, he doesn't respond to what I said about him, and he basically disappears from the thread. This is incredibly scummy, and contrary to everything a townie should be doing after early aggression. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh So instead of "watching for how he forms his analysis and what the content of it is" he votes on Meapak for disappearing . thats a bit of a jump from "watch this guys post" to "He is scum". the other thing that has bothered me about Wiggles is that he makes no mention of me at all, when the rest of town has put up there thoughts on me. Why leave me out wiggles when I was looking very scummy? So based on what others have said, as well as my own reads, I am be OK with lynching Wiggles. All the rest: I have a funny feeling about Prphz, and I would be OK with lynching him. WBG is slightly more readable and reasonable so far this game, which in its self makes me feel funny but I cant deny his actions have been protown so far. Ill need more time to read over Sand and Palmar Ill be around till slightly before lynch Then there is the timing of his vote on Wiggles. It was clear that you and Palmar especially seemed to agree that Wiggles was the best lynch. Me Palmar and Prplzh voted Wiggles already and then he decides to show up again with a pretty strong turn and jumps on the Wiggles wagon. He adds some okay-ish arguments and then says that he is "Okay with lynching Wiggles." Is is also "okay" with lynching prplzh but never follows up with that. It is also important to note that he turned on MZ and was considering that he may be town. Same goes for WBG And then there is this post : On November 17 2011 09:54 hiro protagonist wrote: Seems like some people have cold feet? MZ would love to lynch me. Seems like everyone voting wiggles is like "yeah, ok, Ill vote him" wishy washy except Palmar. WBG feels better about lynching me. Jay still has his vote on bugs that was there 5 min into the game lol. Sand has not voted. Anyone have any other thoughts. Meapak, If not me, who would you vote? Anyone here that would rather lynch someone other than me or wiggles? Notice that Hiro voted for wiggles and agreeing that he would make an okay lynch. He never speaks against the lynch directly but still wants to get support for a turnaround away from either him or Wiggles. That post sounds really , really bad to me. He also claims that no one really seems to believe in the lynch, thus carefully stating again that he does not really like it and wants to get it away from wiggles. Yet we never hear a word against the lynch from him. If he was town, wouldn't he still push the targets he believes in? Instead he sort of agrees with the lynch on Wiggles but still does want to get the lynch away from the guy. To me it sounds like a bus where Hiro still tried to get the lynch deflected to someone else. | ||
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On November 20 2011 01:27 prplhz wrote: @Erandorr At the danger of being ever more of an idiot I don't think that hiro protagonist is scum. I skimmed some of his earlier games and he always looks like this. This post from PYP:I looks the same as his posts here, he never says anybody is scum. He mostly just focuses on who is town. Now, I know that there was a mayoral election on day1 in PYP:I but people still had to scum hunt. Also his logic was way off as illustrated in posts like this. I think his posts in that game looks a lot like his posts in this game, he is trying, in his own peculiar way, to create what he think is is a good townie atmosphere. The most townie tell for hiro protagonist in my opinion is that he voted for Mr. Wiggles as fourth. I don't think the lynch was certain at that point and I don't think that he bussed Mr. Wiggles. While sandroba had said that he liked the Mr. Wiggles lynch he had not voted yet and I don't think that anybody would bus their scum buddy on day1. I don't think scum would want any of them to die on day1 since that would give town 3 lynches to find the last scum, that's really uphill. I would like to lynch wherebugsgo. The simplest explanation is that scum don't want to die day1, don't draw attention to each other, and that overly newbie play is probably because someone is ... very new at this game. This leaves wherebugsgo. Also, I don't hate wherebugsgo's play, I think he's pretty good at mafia both as scum and as town, but whatever. I don't like the no lynch idea. Hey man, I would never call you an idiot if you actually make sense( If I did at all then I am sorry, thats not a nice thing to do) . Unfortunatly you seem to have missed the point i was trying to make. I said that the points you are talking about make him in no way scum, like others before me seemed to think. Could you give me your thoughts on my actual points against him? The bus is debatable. Think about the position he was in at that point. The only real targets where him and Wiggles. Do you think that there was any point where someone other then those two could have been lynched? It also would (sort of) explain why no one really seemed to defend Wiggles. Now Sandro , I have a couple of questions for you 1) You said that you thought MZ was most likely to be scum but that you were to lazy to write it out. What happened to that? 2) Did you factor in the Roleblocker into your no lynch plan? He sort of could fuck that over. Also we could just get unlucky and have nothing that is in any way investigative. On November 20 2011 01:07 sandroba wrote: The thing that bothers me about lynching hiro is that they were both on the chopping block yesterday and they made no real effort to get the lynch moved elsewhere. Like wiggles had no thread presence while the pressure was on hiro and it seemed like he might have ended up being lynched. Wiggles only really makes an appearance when he gets called out. Occam's razor says that one of the main lynch targets ytd ought to be town, but then again it has failed me before (merc mini mafia). The issue I have with that is that there was actually not really anyone else ever up for discussion. The activity has not been exactly strong and they both sooort of went after MZ. Hiro is not exactly a strong player and had the worst standing possible at that point. Wiggles played very poorly this game so I have no clue how much we should read into that. | ||
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On November 20 2011 06:14 hiro protagonist wrote: Im back, sorry for being gone for so long. gonna read the thread, and give my thoughts/vote in a sec. Hi Hiro ! | ||
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! Can you tell me why you don't think he is scum? Could very well be that I am overlooking something. | ||
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Don't like that because of the roleblocker ##Vote Hiro | ||
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1) You tried to push Hiro over Wiggles and get the pressure away from him. 2) You made it sound like the alternative to lynching Hiro would be a no lynch 3) You were very non commital about Wiggles but in ultra tunnel mode on Hiro without saying anything about anyone else for a very long time. 4)you set up Hiro for day2 lynch but never follow up and don't exactly comment on it 5)you say bugs is town then you are convinced he is scum and then go back to him being off the hook. 6) You call jay a super easy lynch and then lynch him because you are done with the newbie excuse... wait what? also you get away from a kind of hard lynch target in WBG 7) i hate the fact that you never explain the decisions , such as not going for hiro anymore, but instead just drop it. you only reply to that kind of stuff when you get asked about it specificly There are points in your favor too and this is all very poorly formulated, but I would still appreciate if you could answer this. | ||
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On November 20 2011 08:27 chaoser wrote: 2 and half more hours till day ends it's hard to edit on iphone not your best day, huh ? ![]() | ||
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On November 20 2011 08:29 jaybrundage wrote: way to break a mans spirits ouch you scum? | ||
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On November 20 2011 08:35 hiro protagonist wrote: also, #Vote: jaybrundage The sad thing is that there actually is a possibility that this is town Hiro ![]() | ||
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On November 20 2011 19:53 wherebugsgo wrote: -_- I'll be rereading the thread again and will post my thoughts in the morning when I'm awake. Feel free to discuss, Europeans. meh | ||
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So now that jay is dead, who would you like to go for? Also I wrote a ton of stuff before the lynch what do you think about that. | ||
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On November 24 2011 03:06 sandroba wrote: ![]() ![]() lol | ||
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WBG plays a great scum game. Giant walls of text that no one reads and also very importantly, people(me) underestimate his town play by a lot and actually think he could play this badly. Palmar, could you explain why you were so certain that bugs was scum? | ||
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