Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy - Page 2

On November 03 2011 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:


Lynch minus two is three votes.

Are you advocating that we just split the vote once someone reaches 3 votes?? I don't trust that this will be a great idea, particularly as people are often not available when you need them, and vote-splitting is great for scum. While we'd only need two more to lynch, that's not very comforting either.

In such a situation we'd basically need to last-minute voteswitch if we think that we have a townie at 3 votes. Otherwise, we take the risk of no-lynch.

Of course it opens us up to scum manipulation too. Scum can throw in a late vote "to stop a no-lynch" and then bam we lose a townie.

On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:


gm thinks this is a 12 player game hahahahahahaha

On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:


Could you elaborate?

On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:

If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead?

On November 03 2011 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote:


For all we know they could both be scum, let's not forget possibilities here.




You seem to be all over the place atm, GMarsh.

I think that's a pretty convoluted reason to think someone is mafia, especially in light of a much simpler and robust reason for hyshes being mafia. I would take your reads and reverse them; I think hyshes is probably scum (with chaoser) and I can't read prpl atm.

On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?!

On November 03 2011 07:28 prplhz wrote:


way to quote a huge post with a oneliner

how do u feel about the setup? theres been lots of talk already and stuff what do u think? do you like being paired with sandro?

On November 03 2011 08:18 prplhz wrote:
i think redff only says good things

On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:


i would like to know how you like playing with gm so far is he being nice to u? what kind of stuff is he telling you in your qt?

On November 03 2011 09:43 prplhz wrote:


Any combination of bad players?

Also, here's the punctuation that I've been forgetting in my first couple of posts, insert at your own discretion: .-. .- .-. .. - -.-- | .. ... | -... . ... - | .--. --- -. -.--

On November 03 2011 18:02 supersoft wrote:

okay next point is GM accusing team Viking. Prplhz is from denmark and hes no anglistic expert. i dont mind some minor mistakes and i do them, too. i know you say he's doing that interpunctuation mistakes on purpose, and you say that a townie has no reason to be hard to understand.
i think however, that scum has no reason to be hard to understand, too. therefor...

On November 03 2011 21:51 kitaman27 wrote:


Seems relavent to me. I'm pretty sure he is trying to tell if the response was coached or not.



So are saying you think he is trying to promote a scum agenda by causing chaos or is he just spamming?

On November 03 2011 22:58 supersoft wrote:
okay chezinu is someone who talks a lot, but has no pull because noone really understands what hes up to?!

On November 04 2011 02:31 Kurumi wrote:

Kurufesto

It's good to be back, guys.
+ Show Spoiler +

I am against lynching lurkers. First, the setup is really small, so we should delay the game and make it as long as we could. Scum, unless terrible or really overloaded with RL stuff (they shouldn't join game then, but hey it happens) won't lurk. Remember, scum are those MIDDLE guys, not so active or inactive to draw attention.

"But it sounds so cool Kurumi... go get them Yourself, let me derp my way to LYLO"
Yeah I know Towns on TL are quite damn lazy and with all the info coming out at the beginning of the game, quoting guides by either side and stuff like that and forget all of it after D1 lynch but.. I am not going to forget, I wish to play my best this game.

"But Kurumi, Mafia has a Role Cop!"
With 1 blue, they will have hard time finding Team with it. With 2 blues, we will get enough protection/information to retaliate strong enough. Remember, the more time Parity Cop gets, the stronger we are, because he can slowly confirm people. I think we shouldn't worry about Mafia Role Cop too much.

Lurker lynch is a bad idea. We either no-lynch or lynch the scummiest fuckers out there. With a mislynch, Mafia ALREADY got their KP per cycle! If we don't get a good protect/block or we just don't have roles for it, 2 people are dead by Day 2. Meanwhile, Mafia Role Cop has checked one of the roles. That means, 3 out of 7 people roles are known to Mafia, another lynch and it's 4 out of 5, if the (only one) blue survived to this time, he will be killed during the night, no matter the lynch result.

Summary:
Lurker lynch is a terrible idea, Mafia rarely lurk without any special plan.
No lynch does not put us behind: Our blue will survive longer this way.
Lynch = scummiest person, remember!
Try to keep Your post readable... I am trying, so You should too.

On November 04 2011 02:49 Kurumi wrote:
Lurker lynching is often an excuse not to lynch someone, just add "I dunno, he doesn't seem so scummy to me" and voila, You've got Your lurker lynch. Giving You no information about people who voted on the lurker (and we probably won't have this problem) and giving You a green flip. Day 1 lurker lynch is.. worse than a no-lynch, because we will hit town on 99% of basis.

On November 04 2011 03:27 sandroba wrote:
@chaoser I don't see the relevance of any of this stuff you posted regarding another game, but ok. I'm not convinced your team is scum just yet. I think hyshes would be way more careful and consult with chaoser before posting that were he scum. He is a new player and that is what new players who roll scum do: they ask for advice before posting.

Now, for what I said I would post about the setup: Kurumi has said it already. My sugestion is that we no lynch today and save a no lynch for later to prolong this game. This setup has a high chance of benefiting town and generating a lot of info the longer it goes. For people saying "if we don't lynch we have no chance of hitting scum". Sure, but whoever you thought is scummy isn't going to dissapear or if he does that's one saved mislynch. We are basically trading 2 nights of possible info for 1 shot in the dark day1. If someone here can say they are confident someone else is scum and prove it to us, I'm all for lynching. But despite having my suspicions I'm not willing to make this trade based on the odds I think I'm getting. I'd rather wait and no lynch today.

On November 04 2011 03:44 kitaman27 wrote:






Since when does town GM bully people around like this?

On November 04 2011 03:49 sandroba wrote:
That's why I waited until now to sugest this. We already know who pushed for what day one and got a bunch of reactions. Going ahead with the lynch with the info we have right now has a low chance of hitting scum imo. This is only anti-town if the team we end up lynching amongst those that have a chance of getting lynched based on this day one (your team, team edward and team viking) end up being scum. If you think the odds of us hitting scum today are favorable, then go ahead and consider this anti-town. I don't and I will do my part to ensure we no lynch today, unless someone comes up if a more convincing case. Your case on prpl is no where near good enough and you know it. You'd rather lynch him on this flimsy evidence?

On November 04 2011 03:55 sandroba wrote:
You are wrong GM, sorry. Lynching is only good for town when it hits scum. The process is good for town regardless, but going ahead with it is only favorable depending on results.
From an optimization stand point regarding the setup I guarantee you town's chances are higher if we prolong the game by one night.

On November 04 2011 03:59 sandroba wrote:
You got wrapped around your head that there is only one way to play all mafia games. You don't even consider the setup when deciding which is the best course of action and this is proven by you not even knowing how many players were in this game to start with. This setup is extremelly unforgiving for mislynches and town benefits from more night actions. All possible roles have a chance of producing good info. Sit back and think for a bit instead of preaching general advice.

On November 04 2011 04:30 Radfield wrote:
GMan, you don't get off that easy though. You built a case on Prp, then wibble-wobbled at the end of it. Your next post basically says the same thing: he might be scum, but he might not. Yet, you're vote remains squarely on Team Viking(Prp & Forumite). Do you think Team Viking is worthy of lynching right now?