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On October 31 2011 01:52 xsksc wrote: I'm gonna have to agree with risk.nuke about toad. Toad is the only person that appears suspicous to me so far. Sounds like scum trying to find blues. This actually passed also my mind. but in retrospec, you pointing this out might be dodgy as well.. | ||
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On October 31 2011 06:30 Zanfada wrote: I can take my vote back at any time. The vote was just there to promote talking which it did just that. What was alot more interesting was Toad's post and how it was received. I personally think blues should post and help the town or they stand out to mafia and playing safe and become much better targets. Also mafia rarely mention blues for the simple fact that it makes them look more like mafia hunting for blues with any mention of blues. The same goes for blues themselves, they want to hide with town and do their job. I think Toad was just trying to prevent what happened last game to happen this game. However his post doesn't say anything more then "post guys" which doesn't further along any conversation it just increase his post count which in my opinion is all mafia try to do for the first day. I wasn't starting a town panic, though it seems to have caused you to panic a little. Your response to my vote seems to be an emotional plea involving ponies and a FOS but little more then that. It seems as if you are trying to not draw any sort of attention to yourself even after a vote has already been placed on you. Normally I would take this as a scum tell but it seems more like a newbie tell then a mafia at this point. Then there is Ciryandor, he defended me and my baseless attack on someone. The only time I usually am defended is when scum are trying to buddy up with me. Or since he has played a few games he is just trying to let newbies know what I was doing. Still FOS for now. You tend to say very little with very much words.. That seems to me like you are overcompensating for the lack of conclusive arguments. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 07:11 Toadesstern wrote: no the point is, that as a dt or medic you don't want to look like a dt or medic for mafia, because that would be an easy hint for them. So let's say we got 9 people and all of them are posting equally. In that case mafia will have a hard time figurering out who's a blue. If we got 9 people, 6 of them are talking a lot and 3 are not, mafia will have a slight clue and have to decide if it's a guy who just isn't playing this game activ or if it's a guy who does not want to get killed for some reason. I don't want to make a possible dt or medic stand out. I'm saying, that in my opinion posting nothing at all WILL make them stand out and vulnerable. Just take into consideration when I actually made that post: About the time when 4 of us haven't made a post in this thread. Maybe it's 3 I don't know but you get the idea. I just wanted to make sure that there's nobody thinking "oh crap I have to do as little posts as possible as a dt to not give away my secret identy" because that's what came to my mind last game (which was my first game) and I was a dt. I had to change it pretty soon :p Haven't read page 11, am reading right now and will maybe add something. This is just to clear up my "intentions" about that "make medics and dts" post. It lacks any sense whatsoever if you reflect it to his previous posts. He is either not explaining himself clearly or has an hidden agenda (read: he is scum) When does the first day ends? | ||
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On October 31 2011 07:50 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but that's just what I said. We know each other a bit so I think both look perfectly fine. Zanfas does look a bit strange since he's posting so much but that's a good thing and I'm guessing he improved right now :p Ciry is just like what he did last game and well ciry said something like that about me. So that is why I don't think a statement like "yeah I played last game with him and it kinda looks legit" is scummy and I got to disagree. oh and yeah sry hyshes, will keep quoting from now on. I'm not used to such a fast thread :D So this post was about harb and my last sentece was directed to hyshes. Those 2 before were more of a general post talking to everyone. was directed to hyshes. everything clear now? @Toadesstern my excuses, i reread you opening post, i must have misremembered it wrong. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 07:53 IMABUNNEH wrote: 2 posts in almost 24 hours is almost as bad as 24 hours of nothing though, and as a reference, the people on both sides of the pond (myself and Toads for Europe, for example) have multiple posts. Have you been working all Sunday or something? @IMABUNNEH even though i don't like inactives either, direct attacks seem a bit off. He is not the only one who is post very little (i only see the same 5-6 returning while reading). @all: i would to remind you all of my previously posted opinion about Zanfada. It seems to me he overcompensates the lack of simple and clear arguments by huge blocks of text. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 06:57 hyshes wrote: You tend to say very little with very much words.. That seems to me like you are overcompensating for the lack of conclusive arguments. | ||
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On November 02 2011 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: got home from university now and yeah let's get a little analysis what happened last day. Let's just pretend we don't know a thing. In that scernario everything's possible. I could be green, I could be red, Skrammen could be green and Skrammen could be red. Same with Zanfa and risk but I'm going to talk about Skrammen and me since the two of us are the main subjects in this thread right now. 1) Both red Let's start with the easy one and pretend both Skrammen and I am red. In that case the two of us are stupid and I'm blaming him to be mafia while he is blaming me to be mafia. I know we're not really blameing each other but I did vote for him so I guess that counts, too. That does not sound like a good plan for mafia imo. 2) Both green Next possibilty: We're both green. If that turns out to be true towns horribly fucked. Not because of the fact that both of us are green but since we didn't even get a majority on a green while mafia is probably even helping us or at least spreading their votes and therefore we might have 1 or 2 mafias on Skrammen as well. And still we don't get a majority. If that's true we got a major problem because we're not going to get a lynch anytime soon (= free kill for mafia without having the chance to kill a mafia or at least get GRANTED information). => pretty much everyone could be mafia because they're able to vote whoever they want without having to manipulate votes at least a bit. 3) Skrammen green, I'm red In that case town got a heavy problem as well. Skrammen was closest for having a majority and it's pretty much the same as the second possibility: I'm mafia and I went for a wagon issued by someone else and still town hasn't got a majority. That would mean that out of those 6 votes probably 2 or 3 votes are issued by mafias (my vote at least + maybe my buddies) while 3 townies voted for Skrammen, 3 voted for me, 2 voted for Zanfa and 1 voted for Chocolate. That's not exactly what you want to do as town, no matter what. 4) I'm green, Skrammen is red In that situation mafia is probably not going to vote for skrammen in the first place. They want to safe their buddy as long as it's possible without leaking information of who actually is mafia out of votingbehaviors right before the deadline. Also this would mean we got at most 1 mafia voting for Skrammen (that is if they got balls). I doubt they got the balls to put their mafia buddy on a 6-votes position themselves, just to make those other 2 mafias really hidden. There could always be a hero votechange 1h before the deadline which would have made a lynch. So in that scenario we probably got about 5 townies voting for Skrammen, maybe it's even 6, while mafia is trying to get us on someone else. Therefore they got either 2 votes on me, 1 vote on me + 1 vote on zanfa or 2 votes on zanfa (the third one is Skrammens vote on choc), while 3 townies did not choose to vote for Skrammen. For me it's kind of clear. I can rule out possibilty 1 (let's face it, noone's that stupid). I think 3 is pretty unlikely. I just think town should be able to get more than 3 votes on a single person without mafia therefore I think there's no mafia votes on Skrammen. If there are we're really fucked. 2 and 4 could be possible in my opinion. Having 5 or 6 townies able to focus their votes on 1 single person while 3 are not sure what to do sounds reasonable for me (compare with example 3: I don't think we got only 3 people being able to focus their votes while the rest is spreading their votes for whatever reason). Therefore I'd say its 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 I'm still not saying I think Skrammen's 100% sure red, and if he's green than risk is green as well. But I think it's a better explanation than the two of us being green or 'me red + Skrammen green' or both red. 1. seems indeed very unlikely 2. is still possible, since it's a newbie game and we are all a bit unfamiliar with the way things go. I heard last newbie game had alot of modkills? 3. I have actually no problem believing this one. Stating that the town is fucked is not really an argument for likelyhood 4. This senario is actually less likely for me than 3. This is a newbie game, some of us are unfamiliar with the way things go (like me) and so only a few town-votes don't really suprise me at all. in order of likelyhood: 3>2>4>1 | ||
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On November 02 2011 02:03 Toadesstern wrote: the problem with 3 is that it would mean that we're not able to get more than 3 votes focussed on someone and I think that is very unlikely because that's 6 (!) guys who are spreading votes. Not the fact that town would be screwed if 3 (pretty much the same as 2) turns out to be true is the thing that makes it the easiest / most likely explanation. I don't know how you guys approach this game but I figured people know that we need to lynch people to get something going. I got to add that I probably forgot one solution. Maybe people didn't read the first post in this thread carefully and did not read my post about it pointing it out again: This game has no simple majority rule. Having 6 votes on Skrammen was not enough to get him lynched although he was the one with the most votes on the list. If there's a couple of people who did not know that for whatever reason, it would be another explanation for why we're not even able to lynch a townie (talking about scenario 2 and 3) because they thought 6 on Skrammen is already enough to get them lynched and no need to change votes. I'm still not excluding 3 as a possibility. If we faced this situation on day 2, i would agree.. but i don't see any reason to exclude option 3 on day 1 just because it would be bad play by the town. | ||
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On November 02 2011 03:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: So while reviewing the voting and the resulting no-lynch, I noticed something very interesting from Drem: If you were very suspicious of both of them, why would you leave your vote on Zanfada? At the time of your voting, you had the option to make it 2 votes for Zanfada, or 4 votes for Skrammen. If your goal was to get scum lynched, and you were very suspicious of Skrammen, why place your vote in a way that greatly increases the odds of a no-lynch rather than nearly guaranteeing a lynch on Skrammen? I would also like a bit more from hyshes on why he voted Zanfada, considering his voting post was the following: Do you still think he is scum? Were you around at all after more votes were in? If so, what was your reasoning for leaving your vote on Zanfada, rather than switching it to Toad? Since the failed lynch you seem to be focusing more on Toad, but haven't really made a committal statement yet, do you believe Toad to be scum? I still have some suspicion yes. At that time he was the most suspicious to me and i needed to vote to be sure not to get modkilled. I was actually around when the day ended but because the [*time*] thingy of teamliquid did not change until past night for european timezones (we had a timeshift saturday) i missed it by a few minutes. (you can ask our host, i msged him about it) I'm 50/50 on toad being scum to be fair. I find his reason why he is not scum and skrammen is not conclusive. | ||
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This mafia kill is actually very strange to me, i had a few scenarios in mind of who would be mafia if someone died.. but i never thought risk would be a target. | ||
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On November 02 2011 19:13 Toadesstern wrote: oh ok, I thought you said you needed a vote to not get modkilled for the moment (way before deadline) and wanted to change it later on. that is what i said... i needed a vote to not get modkilled.. so i voted for the most suspicous person back then... I probably would have chosen for a lynch if i didn't miss the deadline... (but that is void now) | ||
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On November 02 2011 19:45 Ciryandor wrote: So now, what say you? Do you have any idea who you think thought of targeting risk? Actually, i've no idea whatsoever.. This kill makes no sense to me. | ||
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Ciryandor - Toadesstern - Drem903 These 3 are referring to each other all the time, without direct accusations. This leaves me to think that they don't want eachother lynched.. but wan to have a backup of posts that do kinda disconnect them. There is something really fishy between those 3. I'm willing to go on a vote on one of these three for sure. | ||
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On November 03 2011 03:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Sorry for the three posts in a row, I've kinda been responding to things I think I should respond to as I read the thread. ....What? I'm really going to need a much more thorough analysis of how you think Ciryandor is scum. Additionally, I want to know why in the hell you think either Ciryandor or Toad could be scum if Drem is, considering Ciryandor called out Drem's posts as something to keep an eye on, and now we have Toad being the first vote of the day and placing it on Drem. I really want to hear how this makes the slightest bit of sense to you. First of all, i don't see toads vote as a legit one. If i want to distance myself from someone but still don't want to risk him getting lynched, i would vote for him very early in the day cycle. Very little chance that that lynch is going to happen. I know Ciryandor made a huge post about drem, but he just throws it out there. That post should atleast have ended with a firm FOS or vote on drem to be legit for me. It was to close to the deadline to not call it out. There posting distances them from eachother, so if one of them gets lynched.. they can refer to these. | ||
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On November 03 2011 04:15 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Risk and I both made one post putting a small amount of suspicion on each other, does that mean we're scum buddies? Oh wait! He flipped green! But seriously hyshes, you're going to have to make a much more solid case than that if you want me to believe those 3 are scum. Since I am not on your list of scum, I assume you'd want to get me voting in line with you, so please prove it by giving some actual analysis. As for this: So he either should have voted him or explicitly typed FOS? He clearly stated in his voting post his preferred order was Skrammen over Drem, and he can't vote for both. I wasn't aware you need to type out FOS to let people know you are suspicious of someone, I thought saying "hey, this person has done a ton of suspicious shit which I have listed and explained here" is much stronger than saying nothing but a line or two and FOS on whoever. These three are the only ones that make sense to me after the risk mafia kill. That kill was so strange that there must be something strange going on. I reread the thread twice now, this is the only explanation i could figure out. | ||
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On November 03 2011 04:40 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @hyshes What about hackle being scum? Surely you don't have enough info on him to tell whether he is scum or town yet, how would he not offer an alternative explanation? I know you are claiming that is the only explanation you can figure out, but since on my reading of the thread I don't see it, can you please spell it out for me a bit more? Pointing out specific posts and parts of posts that you think make them seem scummy, and implicate them in risk's death would be appreciated. Hackle is a difficult one. He has posted really little. On the other question: i'm having a real problem explaining it. It's just a combination of the weird risk kill and all the weird post of those 3. | ||
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On November 03 2011 07:14 Toadesstern wrote: Actually I don't remember what I wanted to say with my second sentence and it's not making sense, guess I wanted to change this with these? :D I'd say it's something like: Ask the host, i was around when the deadline happend. TL f*cked up the [*time*] thing after the hour shift of saturday | ||
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On November 03 2011 07:21 Toadesstern wrote: Yeah and that's the reason why I changed my mind and started believing you. The thing that's weird right now still is this post: I still think it's wrong and so does harb. Probably a couple other guys too. I'm just not sure why you posted it :p I posted that bc i thought it was obvious. I think it had to be stated. Eventhough i don't like hackle's inactivity, i really dislike how you 3 are posting. | ||
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##Vote Drem903 Drem is also on my list and there seems to be no backup for a vote on toad. | ||
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On November 03 2011 11:17 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @hyshes Have you reconsidered your 3 scum picks yet? If Ciry and Drem are both scum, why would Ciry now be voting for and bringing intense scrutiny to Drem? Do you honestly think that mafia would be bussing one of their players on day 2? Actually i would call that good play. Atleast in my head does that line up with good tactics. | ||
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On November 03 2011 15:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: I was thinking of waiting until I have some more info, but the more I look at it the more confident I am. Hyshes is SCUM Why do I say this? To start, let's begin with some simple facts: 1) The only people with knowledge of this game not contained within this thread are scum, or a detective. 2) People with the same knowledge, reading the same thread, should come to similar conclusions, and these conclusions should converge as time passes and information accumulates. And then Hyshes drops this on us: Well what in the fuck is that? Ciry is near the top of most people's town lists. Now we have Hyshes listing him as scum? Then there is Toad, this guy is very active, answers anything asked of his immediately, and his posting method seems to be make the post, and double post if he needs to edit it. That carefree and transparent posting manner seems pretty townie to me. Given that besides Hyshes only Drem and Skrammen have called any suspicion on Toad so far today, and even they do not put him on top of their lists. I think it is clear at least most people do not see Toad as very scummy right now. As for Drem...well, he is actually a target for some. Perhaps he was included to try to give some more credibility to this list? Also, given this: + Show Spoiler + Actually i would call that good play. Atleast in my head does that line up with good tactics. So how could his list make sense? I think we have three options here: 1) He is a dt, checked Ciry, and Ciry came up red. We are not even guaranteed to have a dt, and if we did I would find it absurd that they would check Ciry first. I will be generous and give this 1% probability. 2) His reading comprehension is awful at best, and he therefore managed to come to a conclusion very different from anyone else. This is a newbie game, and his country listed on his profile isn't an english speaking one, so I will again be very generous, and give this a 9% chance. 3) He is scum and his list makes sense because he knows who really is scum, and because he wants to do as much as possible to discredit and cast suspicion on townies. I give this the remaining 90% probability. So, just from that it is looking very likely to me that Hyshes is scum, but let's go into some more detail. I will present my arguments in order of what I think their strength is, with the strongest ones first. What about his overall presence in the game? + Show Spoiler + He posts a reasonable amount, but mostly says very little, does no real analysis, and overall makes no contributions to town efforts. He also makes one posts indirectly defending inactivity: @IMABUNNEH even though i don't like inactives either, direct attacks seem a bit off. Much more interesting than that though, is how often he asks people questions. Let's review every question he has directed at players in the thread. So who is left on the list of non-poster? A useless filler post that he could easily answer himself.Toadesstern, could you please direct your questions to people in specific? We can not always be sure who you mean with "you" (just because i'm not sure if you are asking me anything) Again, not really looking for information from Toad, just checking to see if he is supposed to answer something.btw Ciryandor , are you going to spend post #2000 in a newbie mafia game? Once again a filler post.And that's it. He literally wants no information from his fellow players. How could that possibly be? Easy, he knows everything important because Hyshes is scum. Next, let's investigate his issues regarding the vote deadline: + Show Spoiler + I was actually around when the day ended but because the [*time*] thingy of teamliquid did not change until past night for european timezones (we had a timeshift saturday) i missed it by a few minutes. (you can ask our host, i msged him about it) that is what i said... i needed a vote to not get modkilled.. so i voted for the most suspicous person back then... I probably would have chosen for a lynch if i didn't miss the deadline... (but that is void now) While I understand there may have been some confusion regarding the time, why didn't he make a post in the thread then? Also, why did he message the host about it? I think most townies would have posted their vote change, or at least their question, in the thread and hoped for the best. But perhaps he had a question about night actions that he wanted to ask the host as well so he just bundled it up with that, perhaps a question about role-blocking or killing. Or maybe because he is scum, he knew whether or not Skrammen is. If Skrammen is scum, no reason to change your vote and get your buddy killed. If he isn't scum, being the last person to last second change their vote to get a townie lynched would seem scummy as hell. Either way, best to keep quiet. How about his lovely analysis to support his position? + Show Spoiler + Hackle is a difficult one. He has posted really little. On the other question: i'm having a real problem explaining it. It's just a combination of the weird risk kill and all the weird post of those 3. You know what makes it really difficult to give a reason for people being scum? Knowing that they aren't scum. Even when pressed repeatedly his best explanations are along the lines of "I thought it was obvious" and "it was the only explanation I could figure out". I can figure out a ton of possible scenarios, why? Because I only know what is in this thread, unlike Hyshes. His complete refusal to include Hackle to produce an alternative explanation compounds the problem. I think most townies can envision at least one scenario where Hackle nicely fits the role of the third scum that they can't seem to find otherwise. Now, lets take a look at his day 1 voting: + Show Spoiler + Day 1 he votes for Zanfada. While I think some townies were genuinely suspicious of Zanfada, I also think scum saw his early vote and decided to use it to feed the idea that Zanfada is scummy, despite the fact that attention-getting, aggressive moves that start the initial conversations going are rarely how scum will start a game off. I also think scum was unlikely to pool their votes. If they all voted for Skrammen and he flipped green, they would be grouped together and absolutely fucked. Therefore I find it very likely that one of the votes for Zanfada was from scum. It is interesting to note that since day 2 started nobody has accused Zanfada of being scum, and he has even made several townie lists. I think this is clear evidence in scum involvement in throwing suspicion on him. Possibly of note, the following people called some suspicion on Zanfada day 1: Drem, Chocolate, Skraamen, Hyshes, Xsksc, Bunneh. And now his day 2 voting: + Show Spoiler + ##Unvote Toadesstern ##Vote Drem903 Drem is also on my list and there seems to be no backup for a vote on toad. Changing your vote to go with someone else that you think is scum and can get lynched can obviously be a townie move, however, I find it very interesting that he started with a vote for Toad. I think perhaps that scum had hoped to raise suspicion on Toad with the shooting of Risk, and this vote was an attempt to increase the pressure and suspicion on him. Upon seeing that isn't happening, he simply switches to Drem and leaves it at that. Again, this is possibly a null-read, but something to consider as well. In conclusion, Hyshes is SCUM, lynch him. ##Vote Hyshes Yeah sure, lynch me. | ||
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After my action here it will be 6towns vs 3 mafia (assuming mafia kills a townie next night), so still a good majority for the town. Maybe if towns is lucky, it will be 7vs3.. | ||
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On November 03 2011 22:52 Toadesstern wrote: if you flip green we know exactly nothing except for the fact that you've pulled an emo here. It's not like harbs red because he went for you. If that'd true EVERYONE has to be red in here because everyone once accused someone (I guess) If you flip red we know why you did it. No emo here, just not up for your shitty logic. | ||
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On November 04 2011 02:22 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Well, I was expecting to see some form of defense when I came back, not some dramatic martyring. Also, Hyshes, I regret to inform you that from the rules: 4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. ##unvote hyshes | ||
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On November 04 2011 02:41 Toadesstern wrote: that unvote isn't chaning a thing. You still tried (don't know if you knew about the rule or not) and if we now just stop voting for you we will establish a game were everyone who's accused to be mafia can just vote for himself, unvote himself later on and therefore we got to unvote you too? That's just still not makeing sense at all. I forgot about that rule, thats all. | ||
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On November 04 2011 02:58 IMABUNNEH wrote: Sacrificing yourself just to show you're green doesn't seem like it helps the town all that much. The reason being, IF you were to flip up green, then it drops to a 7/3. The mafia then get to ping someone else (right?), making it 6/3. At 6/3 it's going to be a lot harder for us to get a solid lynch on a scum. If you throw yourself to the lions and turn out green, we're going to have real problems. If what you say is ACTUALLY true, don't sacrifice yourself, because in doing so you're basically sacrificing the town. This is why I think you MUST be red. You're right that you're not retarded, which is why the only possible option is that you're red. Also in your other posts you refused to defend yourself against "retarded" logic (think that's the right quote, or the gist of it). The posts made against you are pretty sound logically, and your attitude to the accusation is entirely illogical. The retarted logic refers to toad's posts. HarbingerOfDoom's post does not make sense either, it's a wall of sh*t. | ||
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I have just no freaking clue what to say. Seems that i can't follow your logic, and you guys can't follow my logic. I guess this is the ending point. | ||
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On November 04 2011 06:11 Toadesstern wrote: we got 7 votes on hyshes right now. IF hyshe is red I guess we got 1 or even 2 mafias on him as well to protect themselves. I'd like to see another guy voting for him to make it an 8. That way mafia can't safe him. 6 is the magic number with 11 people alive. That's toad's shitty logic. If i'm red and my implied 2 scumbuddies back out of the vote, that would be awesome for the town. Ok, you failed at killing 1 scum, but you have certainly identified 3 :p Your logic makes no sense | ||
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On November 04 2011 06:33 Toadesstern wrote: there we go finally an answer that is not just ignoring everything someone said without explaining why. Now why didn't you do so in the first place? Nahh, this shitty logic was easy to explain in a few lines. The rest of your shitty logic would take me too long. And i'm not even good at explaining things. | ||
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On November 04 2011 06:48 Toadesstern wrote: so I just have to post a lot and I'm safe as a mafia for all game? Not if everyone followed my logic. | ||
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On November 04 2011 07:02 Toadesstern wrote: why should we if you don't explain it? It could be anything and the point here is to try and guess who's mafia out of what people say or much more what they don't say. It's not about a bunch of people saying "kill X" without explanation and the party who got more luck wins. I'll rephrase that. Not if everyone shared the same logic as me. | ||
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On November 04 2011 07:20 Toadesstern wrote: ok that's it for me. I tried talking to you, you kept answering in phrases that got no content, I gave you an easy one to go with, you finally started explaining and yet you still refuse to explain something else. That's just not what a townie would do no matter what. I'm going to bed now... Also about that shitty logic, well I don't know I'm doing math at university so yeah I got that attitude that I don't believe in stuff unless it's got a decent explanation or it's proofen somehow because no matter if it's right or wrong the statement got no value if we don't know if that's just a lucky hit or the guy said that because of something else because again: Doing mistakes is not a scum tell as long as they're not on purpose so we have to know. You however refuse to give us that information. Seems you are wrong in that. In what field of maths are you? I'm doing civil engineer but i'm taking some extra math classes on the side, mostly in the field of linear algebra | ||
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###################### + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 07:28 Toadesstern wrote: Just to clear things up since you brought that statement last game too. Remember my summary last game? I defended you as well and said that I'm pretty sure you're town. Yeah I was a dt but I never checked you since I checked all 3 reds and still knew you where town. I just wanted to tell the other guy so because he might not find out himself. You told me that looks like scum too and I just got to disagree here. Right now I think you posting little is normal because I saw the last game while a few think it's scummy. A couple guys think I made a scummy post by telling dts not to look like dts and ciry said he doesn't think so, which is a defence for me as well and I haven't got something scummy from him until now. So I got to say that logic is flawed :p I still can't believe how that one guy thought I meant to make dts stand out of the crowd, looks a bit strange as if he wants to get town on someone, but that's just my opinion right now and I got to check what he posts the next couple days :p Ok and now I read that thing from chocolate as well. I want you to explain that. Why is it a fos on ciry. I could understand a fos on zanfa although I don't believe it's strange since it totally fits in his style. Well and ciry is the only guy who started a real discussion. Everyone spammed a bit to get something going at all an he went for real talks, like "explain your thoughts" and stuff and from what I see it looks like he is trying to get people to make quality posts rather than spam. Totally fits in his style as well. Go ahead, blame me for defending, which I still think is wrong at this point, but I want your explanation on this. We obviously got very little right now but given what we have there's definitly people around looking more scummy. I've marked a bit in red. Why the hell would you refer to another game? It's not because you were town in that one, you are in this one. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 08:26 Toadesstern wrote: Ok I still would like chocolate to explain why he got a fos on ciry. It might be right (I don't think we got a reason to think so but I won't say it's wrong on day 1 without information ) but if I had to make a list of people from 1 to 12 where 1 is the guy I think is the most likely to be town and 12 the guy most likely to be mafia in my opinion I'd place ciry somewhere in those top 50% spots. I still think that this is strange. The only reason behind this, as far as I understood it, was ciry "defending" zanfa ? Also, keep in mind getting agressive is kind of a town tell. At least that's what happens to me. Just imagine you post something you think is ok or good, someone quotes it and makes it look like you're scum although you said something totally different, or at least wanted to do so. In that situation I WOULD probably be pissed. At least that's part of the "paranoid-answer" I did on page 9 when you guys asked me about the my post about dt or medics. I just did not think someone could interpretate it that way and thought it's clear and therefore I don't have to explain it. Turned out I was wrong. To sum it up: It might be something but I think it's more of a human nature thing getting into him. Let's face it, if someone accuses you to be mafia and you know yourself you're not the first thing you think is wtf is up with you dude, just reread what I posted. Also he did the exact same thing in the last game. He voted on day1 for me and switched later on his vote and only tried to make me talking. I think those people desperatly trying to point at someone telling us to vote for those guys look way more scummy right now, which is why I still want that explanation from choc. Thats an easy statement to try to convince people you are town. But its well hidden in a huge wall of text, so it does not stand out. Actually good play, but i found it. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and a final note about all those fos things. I still think we should go for a lurker on day-1 unless we got something that sounds scummy and until now I don't think we got something. If we lynch someone who's lurking we got a decent chance of hitting a mafia. Obiously not every mafia style involves lurking. But the two most important parts are (one already mentioned earlier): We force mafia into talking. That's not bad for mafia because of talking but because of talking a lot means a lot of chances of slipping. That's exactly what we want. The more mafia talks, the more likely we're to find something decent out of an analysis. Especially post death. For those who are reading the thread of the last game, take a look at my last post (for those who don't want to read the whole thing just read that one post): Klick me! Just take a look at my analysis. We had 1 guy who made a total of 2 (!) posts and thats all and those other 2 guys made pretty much no posts, as well and STILL we got a decent analysis out of me, not because of what they said but because of what dead, confirmed mafia said (pretty much everything I said about zanfas is stuff from dead mafias except for his one analysis). Just as an example how important this is. That way I at least knew zanfas was 99% town last game. A second point would be our town situation. Of course lynching a mafia is what we want but let's think about what happens if we turn out to lynch a town. If we end up killing a lurking town that's bad because we ended up killing a townie instead of a mafia but killing an active townie is just really bad because killing a townie sucks and on top of that we're destroying townsituation by killing those guys posting. At least as long as it's out of the blue like now. Nice idea.. select a lurker to get a free kill as mafia. And again, the refer to another game where he was town. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 17:31 Toadesstern wrote: Times mentioned in this thread from hosts are in TL-time I guess? So saying day will end 03:00 means 3:00 tl.time right? Since there's nothing else I'm guessing so but would like to get a yes on that Also, I'm voting for chocolate. I still think it's a bit strange but I don't like that fosing around like a mad man. Could have been someone else who did so. He just turned out to attack me and since I know I'm not mafia that does sound a bit strange to me :p I'm at university right now, will be back in 4 hours so maybe we got something out of this when I'm back. ##Vote Chocolate Trying to get an easy hit on a townie without proper argument. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 00:53 Toadesstern wrote: sadly noone made a statement about my vote ;( I actually did not want to vote for chocolate but I'd ve loved to see those reactions from people about that who are already suspicios. first of all Unvote## Chocolate What do you people think about hyshes and risk? Risk is the one I'd like to see make a couple posts since he basicly said nothing and I don't know anything about him. While hyshes... I don't know, could be anything :p Hit failed, next targets lining up. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 02:29 Toadesstern wrote: Ok I'm going with skrammen as well, we need to get a lynch and although I would have liked to get someone else I think going after him is fine, too. ##vote Skrammen Just to get this clear since at least I did not know last game: It's not a simple majority vote, we need 7 people to vote on someone or it's a no-lynch. Having 4 votes on someone and 8 votes spread out is not going to get the guy with 4 votes lynched. Ofc he's also a fine target for you. You don't care wich townie dies. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2011 02:03 Toadesstern wrote: the problem with 3 is that it would mean that we're not able to get more than 3 votes focussed on someone and I think that is very unlikely because that's 6 (!) guys who are spreading votes. Not the fact that town would be screwed if 3 (pretty much the same as 2) turns out to be true is the thing that makes it the easiest / most likely explanation. I don't know how you guys approach this game but I figured people know that we need to lynch people to get something going. I got to add that I probably forgot one solution. Maybe people didn't read the first post in this thread carefully and did not read my post about it pointing it out again: This game has no simple majority rule. Having 6 votes on Skrammen was not enough to get him lynched although he was the one with the most votes on the list. If there's a couple of people who did not know that for whatever reason, it would be another explanation for why we're not even able to lynch a townie (talking about scenario 2 and 3) because they thought 6 on Skrammen is already enough to get them lynched and no need to change votes. This has to be the biggest tell of all. Throwing numbers that mean nothing. There is no reason to assume that these 6 vote don't include the scums. It was day1 afterall. I assume you can find the rest yourself. | ||
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