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On September 30 2011 09:36 TheFerryman wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FDFJJ.jpg) LOL | ||
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On September 30 2011 15:21 Incognito wrote: A D B C E F Town bodyguards protect elected officials of all alignments. Substituted bodyguards only protect the officials of the same house. Bodyguards show up as both bodyguard and whatever other roles they mey have. Bodyguards are not immune to alignment checks. yo incog can you explain the steps in determining that draft order? I can't seem to work that out. | ||
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On October 01 2011 07:01 Incognito wrote: Its in the OP in a spoiler In other news, we need more signups in order to start. Yes, I realize this, but it still doesn't make sense to me. I'll give you my logic step by step: Player A - [4][19] Player B - [7][12] Player C - [1][6] Player D - [7][8] Player E - [1][8] Player F - [1][20] 1. Players C, E, and F all chose [1] as their first number so they go to the bottom. The next highest is A with [4] and no conflicts so he's locked in as #1. B and C both chose [7] so they go to the end of the list after C E F. 2. a. Among the bottom there's two ways of considering them all. Just consider their second number, or consider the ones who chose [1] as their first number first and THEN consider those who chose [7.] In this branch I chose to use the former method. This would suggest C goes next, then B, then F, and then E and lastly D. I don't think this is how the system works, though, so let's ignore that ordering. The other way is to say okay, consider all the guys who chose [1] in order of their second number. That would be C E F. Then the guys who chose [7], D before B. A C E F D B. How do you get A D B C E F? | ||
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That makes a lot more sense now. | ||
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On September 29 2011 01:58 JimboSilvers wrote: ![[image loading]](http://makeagif.com/media/9-16-2011/7by9fP.gif) ... I see what you did there | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Incognoto also, we so close to getting enough people | ||
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On October 11 2011 15:17 DropBear wrote: did I say replacement? I meant /in Do you have to be a mafioso to pick mafia roles like framer and roleblocker? Lol DB why would town want a framer? | ||
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On October 11 2011 23:05 GMarshal wrote: To deny it to mafia. Denying mafia strong roles is a viable way to make your picks. Kenpachi did this in PYP:3, where he picked GF to keep it out of the hands of the mafia. Same deal here, don't want a pesky assassin killing off town roles? Pick it. Don't want the roleblocker bothering townies? Take it. Want DTs to be more reliable? Pick framer. Nice, thanks for the clarification. I completely overlooked this possibility. | ||
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In order to kill someone as the Assassin you need their role, alignment, and in the case of mafia, family. How the hell does one determine a scum member's family? | ||
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I see the term being thrown around but I don't believe it was specified. | ||
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The alignment setup isn't closed. | ||
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If a scum gets framer townies will start dropping like flies because the framer will just start redirecting them into the NRA | ||
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i.e. if a vanilla townie were redirected to an NRA member by a framer, would that vanilla townie then die or would it simply appear to a tracker that the vanilla townie visited the NRA member that night? | ||
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The alternative is to go for one of the KP roles and potentially clash with other scum who are also looking for KP roles. Assassin is generally useless unless you have a way of determining role/alignment, so IMO it's actually probably more likely to be a scum role than a town one, since telegraphing reads to the assassin if he's on town would be rather difficult. | ||
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Parity maybe not, BB has its uses. | ||
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I can honestly say I don't particularly like any of the current mayoral candidates. However, based on PMs I have a potential vote; there are one or two candidates that are more likely to be town than the others. We'll see how things go. Everyone thinks syllo is town but there is still doubt for me about him, Mig, and a lot of other players. | ||
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Can we see the logs between syllo and Mig? One of you should post a large subsection of this 10 hour conversation so we can see for ourselves why syllo thinks Mig is town | ||
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Please clarify yourself so everyone knows what your plan entails. Your reaction to Jimbo's accusations seems to be contradicting the logs he posted. | ||
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On October 15 2011 04:21 Radfield wrote: Honestly, your whole post is forced. Obviously we need to analyze, be active and scumhunt. No one is really suggesting otherwise. They are simply prioritizing. Wait a sec + Show Spoiler + [14:39] <sandroba> yes [14:39] <sandroba> man [14:39] <sandroba> dts [14:39] <sandroba> will fuck this game up [14:40] <sandroba> we will have to maybe scumhunt a couple of mafia late game [14:40] <sandroba> like the first few days will be like [14:40] <sandroba> "the following 8 people are scum" [14:40] <sandroba> which to lynch I think you're stretching by saying that no one is saying that we don't need to scumhunt. All three of you, Sandroba, and Mig have said things that can be interpreted as either "analysis is not important" or "we will not need analysis to win" or "we should simply focus on surviving and not try to die" which is just a weak way of saying try not to lynch scum by being active and chasing their scummy little asses down. Finally, Jimbo, I don't give a shit if your intention was not to incriminate Sandroba or call him scum, but your logs do enough to paint him as scum that I will call him scum right now. Take the spoilered part of the log that I just posted, and compare it to this: + Show Spoiler + [14:27] <sandroba> make a police radio [14:27] <sandroba> that outs the opposite results [14:27] <sandroba> or out results that his faimily is innocent 01[14:27] <JimboSilvers> Right, [14:27] <sandroba> you will never know 01[14:27] <JimboSilvers> Which makes it important that we get inventor. 01[14:28] <JimboSilvers> Well. [14:28] <sandroba> yes 01[14:28] <JimboSilvers> Actually. 01[14:28] <JimboSilvers> yes. 01[14:28] <JimboSilvers> yes we would. [14:28] <sandroba> but that is impossible to ensure 01[14:28] <JimboSilvers> All the DT's would see the opposite result. [14:28] <sandroba> yeah eventually 01[14:28] <JimboSilvers> And the only way you could pull that off is by passing it to a teammate, [14:28] <sandroba> no since dts don't know each other 01[14:28] <JimboSilvers> In which case, you've just sacked half your team, for al ittle misinformation, 01[14:28] <JimboSilvers> Right, 01[14:28] <JimboSilvers> but ONE of them would. 01[14:29] <JimboSilvers> And if they bread crumb, 01[14:29] <JimboSilvers> It would become apparent rather quic. [14:29] <sandroba> yeah [14:29] <sandroba> it has roles indeed 01[14:29] <JimboSilvers> It comes down to a gamble, 01[14:29] <JimboSilvers> That involves half your team. [14:29] <sandroba> but it's something I thought about this second 01[14:29] <JimboSilvers> Yeah [14:29] <sandroba> I don't think inventions will rape this game OH LOOK Either Sandroba thinks DTs/power roles will fuck this game up by finding all the scum, OR he thinks that investigative roles will potentially be very unreliable because of the potential for the inventor to screw with them. Sandroba, either we rely on the roles or we are cautious of them. You can't have it both ways and this is a blatant logical contradiction. He's scum. | ||
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On October 15 2011 04:46 sandroba wrote: That was me saying that electing inventor just because he is inventor is not a good idea. We can't trust his inventions unless he is town. You are on my top list of suspicion wbg, so yeah. Keep distorting stuff I say, this is fun. Try actually rebutting some of what I'm saying. Just asserting that I'm distorting what you're saying without actually providing evidence as to how I'm distorting it is pretty lame. You don't even clarify yourself, you just assert I'm scum. | ||
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While I did say that I thought Mig was townie earlier yesterday, after talking to him more and from thinking about the plans that have been brought up I'm currently unsure. I'm not willing to simply take your word that Mig is town, and no one else should be dumb enough to do that either. | ||
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1. In my eyes, there are literally no good reasons to be voting any of the current candidates. 2. The Mig election seems to be the one with the most support, but, again, no one seems to be providing good reasons as to why Mig should be elected. Notably, Mig himself is absent on this. Mig as town normally is not this apathetic toward scumhunting and toward the game in general. I have doubts when his plan is to "turtle" with no real intention of looking for scum at all. 3. Yesterday I was under the impression that syllo and Mig would run together. I supported voting syllogism based on the fact that, at the time, I thought syllo was town. At this point I'm unsure on both his alignment and that of Mig's. I find it really odd that syllo would not be running with Mig's support, rather than the other way around. In fact, I got the impression from both Mig and syllo yesterday that they would BOTH be running, and that syllogism would be the main candidate. That is clearly not the case today. | ||
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Are you seriously that naive/bad? | ||
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On October 15 2011 06:22 hiro protagonist wrote: I'll let you think about it for awhile... If you're implying that this is because the elected officials are likely to get alignment checked by DTs, it's a pretty weak argument. Whichever scumteam has a GF will forsure try to get him elected as mayor. Whichever scumteam has a framer will try to get a member elected. Whichever scumteam has agent of chaos will also try to get him elected. Admiral Ackbar as mayor would be good for scum as well. Methman as mayor would be good for scum. Vote rigger would be good for scum. Goldman Sachs would be good for scum. Floridian would be good for scum. Inventor (!!) would be good for scum. Role thief/Role swapper would be good for scum (just steal the #1 spot) That's 11 roles that could be potentially be very dangerous for town (and not at all bad for the scumteam) if elected to mayor. All of these roles are very likely to be picked up by scum, seeing as the focus of the plans was on detective/protection roles for town. Thus, I would argue that very few of these roles are in town hands and thus we are open to political manipulation. | ||
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A scum vote rigger who is in office is basically unkillable for two days. An inventor could easily screw around with town as well, since that role almost has no limit and is entirely limited by creativity alone (plus with four scum scheming they could definitely do a lot more creative things with it than a single townie) teams with GF or framer are no brainers, that basically means the mayor is uncheckable for at least the first night (for the framer) Role thief and role swapper can be pretty bad too seeing as they can steal the #1 and then likely land the inventor role by day 2 | ||
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I assumed something about what hiro was implying but hiro can explain himself since I have no idea what his logic is. | ||
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On October 15 2011 06:52 hiro protagonist wrote: hmmm, I forgot about role thief. but all of the vote fixing ones arnt so bad. Dont forget that other mafia factions will want to kill the mafia mayor as well. Thats a lot of heat to take when (which is just my opinion) you would want to stay more undercover as scum from other scum. Thanks for sharing that bugs. I had forgot about some of those roles. NRA member as mayor would be really bad as well. He gets checked and then the DT gets shot...pretty bad. Just the possibility of the mayor being PGO/NRA member would probably turn off some people from checking him. We have to keep the mayor accountable through the thread after he is elected, and of course make sure we elect someone who is a townie. As for Mig, we have taken this to PMs. I will post anything that I deem to be relevant in the thread over the course of the thread + Show Spoiler + fuck homework mafia all the way | ||
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On October 15 2011 09:35 prplhz wrote: wbg, how is that funny? also i don't know if that is exactly true. and most importantly, why are you even posting this in the thread? you just said to me in PMs that you think the thread is a mess and then you post absolutely nothing like this? i don't like syllo bargaining with out-of-game-resources like this one-time-no-lie-absolute-truth to a friend. that's not how you play this game. i'm gonna ignore it because it's on the border of what should be allowed by the rules. i don't get why people don't get warnings for stuff like that. also, i promiss a million dollars to everybody if i'm scum. no lie, but if at any point during this game you voice your skepticism at this statement you will not get any money. i think radfield is the best mayor right now based on amount of PMs i've had with him, i don't see him saying weird stuff so i'm inclined to think that he's town and he's the one i trust the most of the candidates right now. i also like wiggles. i think mayor should tell us his lynch way before he is elected and i think that lynch should be cheese right now, but i'm open for other ideas. Are you denying that you think I'm scum? It's funny cause of how horribly wrong you are. | ||
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On October 15 2011 09:53 prplhz wrote: this is a case of semantics, how sure do i need to be before i think you're scum? if i were dreamflower i wouldn't shoot you, but i still think you're scummy. i don't share your humor and i don't see what you're trying to achieve with your useless posting right now. maybe you can explain that to me? you just said in PMs to me that you used PMs to push scum because it was better and you then you wouldn't derp up the thread with derp posting, and what's the first thing you do after that? you come in here and post useless posts and derps. i think you're more scummy now for sure, on a scale from e^i to sqrt(democratic republic of congo) i'd put you right around that sound it makes when turtles think about mozart's influence of modern furniture. Who says I'm derp posting? You seem to be obsessed with me being scum based on the fact that I'm provoking and trolling you. At this point, why should I give you any information? Why should I consider you to be a townie when you have displayed such terrible use of logic? Why would anyone, when you call me scummy in PMs and say I should post my thoughts in the thread but you don't do the exact same thing yourself? You're really grasping at straws by calling my posts useless, since that clearly indicates you haven't been reading the thread. | ||
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On October 15 2011 11:34 chaoser wrote: Says the guy who tried to mine me for info and then when I asked him back he declined to reply. So who would you rather lynch? hiro? I think you're smart enough to figure out both who I would want to lynch and why I gave you very little information. | ||
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On October 15 2011 12:01 chaoser wrote: I think he's trying to say that he wants to lynch me DINGDINGDING we have a Without further ado, I shall present to you all: wherebugsgo's Traveling Circus Featuring: The Scum of the Day Ladies and gents, Tudors and Lancasters, Commoners and Yorkers+ Show Spoiler + (and anyone I may have missed inbetween, *wink* *wink*) CHAOSER! + Show Spoiler + cue applause yaaaaaay go chaoser yaaaaay clap clap clap clap For his first trick, chaoser displays: contradiction! Observe carefully as he says that he will support sandroba and Radfield if he doesn't gain ground while seeking election, and then backpedals on Radfield! + Show Spoiler + [13:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected? [13:39] <chaoser> myself [13:40] <wherebugsgo> and who else? [13:42] <chaoser> i don't know, i don't trust anyone else enough to want them in an elected role [13:42] <chaoser> but i feel like that's pretty much how everyone should feel [13:42] <chaoser> about elections [13:42] <chaoser> if i really had to [13:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba [13:42] <chaoser> or rad [13:42] <chaoser> it'd force them to keep contributing [13:43] <wherebugsgo> so wait [13:43] <wherebugsgo> do you or do you not trust sandroba/radfield? [13:44] <chaoser> i trust them as much as i can shake a thumb at them but since I don't know if they're 100% town I'm weary [13:44] <chaoser> who are you goign to vote for? [13:45] <wherebugsgo> mmm [13:45] <wherebugsgo> probably syllo [13:45] <chaoser> the syllo mig team? [13:45] <chaoser> they're running together btw [13:46] <wherebugsgo> yeah, I know [13:46] <chaoser> k [13:46] <chaoser> so you trust both of them? [13:46] <wherebugsgo> syllo is my strongest town read atm, yes [13:46] <wherebugsgo> and Mig is pretty up there too [13:48] <chaoser> is this from thread [13:48] <chaoser> or PMs? [13:49] <wherebugsgo> PMs mostly [13:49] <wherebugsgo> PMs and thread for syllo + Show Spoiler [disclaimer] + This was early yesterday, when I believed syllo and Mig were town. Today, I am unsure and I will get to this later + Show Spoiler + [18:47] <chaoser> they are? [19:20] <chaoser> where did they say that? [19:34] <wherebugsgo> wait what? sorry [19:34] <wherebugsgo> I don't know what you're referring to because this IRC window is fresh [19:34] <wherebugsgo> so I have nothing from the previous session [19:34] <chaoser> [18:57] <wherebugsgo> so sandroba and radfield were planning on running together?\ [19:34] <chaoser> i was at work [19:35] <wherebugsgo> they said that earlier in IRC I believe [19:35] <wherebugsgo> now sandroba supports syllo [19:35] <chaoser> ok [19:35] <wherebugsgo> so you would still support Radfield for office [19:35] <wherebugsgo> if you didn't gain any ground? [19:36] <chaoser> if i don't gain any ground i'll vote syllo [19:37] <wherebugsgo> why the change of heart? [19:38] <chaoser> i didn't have a change of heart? [19:38] <chaoser> i said i woudl vote sandroba [19:38] <chaoser> if he ran [19:39] <chaoser> he said he's not running [19:39] <chaoser> and that he suports syllo [19:39] <chaoser> where is the change of heart in that? [19:40] <wherebugsgo> you said you'd support radfield or sandroba [19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected? [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> if i really had to [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> or rad [19:41] <wherebugsgo> yep [19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected? [19:41] == No such nick: chaoser [19:42] <wherebugsgo> so now [19:42] == No such nick: chaoser [19:42] <chaoser> ok apparently if i copy paste the log [19:42] <chaoser> i get disconencted [19:42] <chaoser> but go look [19:42] <chaoser> in the logs [19:42] <chaoser> where do i say [19:42] <chaoser> i'm voting radfield? [19:42] <wherebugsgo> you say you want sandroba or rad [19:42] <wherebugsgo> elected [19:42] <wherebugsgo> not syllo [19:42] <chaoser> i never said that [19:42] <wherebugsgo> yes you did you just copied it [19:42] <wherebugsgo> [19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected? [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> if i really had to [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> or rad [19:43] <wherebugsgo> sandroba, or rad [19:43] <wherebugsgo> sandroba's gone [19:43] <wherebugsgo> so that leaves rad [19:43] <wherebugsgo> why syllo and not rad? [19:43] <chaoser> oh ok, i thought you meant like a combo [19:43] <wherebugsgo> what? [19:43] <wherebugsgo> you said OR [19:43] <wherebugsgo> how the hell is that a combo [19:44] <chaoser> yeah i know, you said are you voting for rad? [19:44] <wherebugsgo> ok brb custom [19:44] <chaoser> ? [19:44] <chaoser> what's custom [19:45] <wherebugsgo> sc2 [19:45] <chaoser> ... [19:48] <chaoser> i meant to say that if i had to vote otherwise besides myself i would vote sand or rad but that i didn't fully 100% trust either one of them. I believe sandroba to be townish and radfield I'm not sure about, hence why previously I had said a null read on him. At the time, those were the only two people I were thinking and I didn't notice syllo at all. After talkign to sandroba about it, I [19:48] <chaoser> reread syllo's posts and they seemed decently protownie to me. That is why [21:00] <wherebugsgo> okay [21:00] == No such nick: chaoser Chaoser says he'll vote sandroba or Radfield if he himself doesn't gain much ground, then completely avoids Radfield like the plague. He even says "oh I thought you meant combo" when he himself said sandroba OR radfield, never sandroba AND radfield. Weird, eh? What else has Chaoser got to show us? It looks like.... Using past games to "prove" a point! + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2011 12:27 chaoser wrote: ![[image loading]](http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/26/9938-mikehaggar.jpg) Chaoser For Mayor! I will hunt every scum down. My record in XXXVIII, XXXIX and LOTR speaks for itself. I will lead this town to victory. Vote Chaoser. Then calling out supersoft for using similar logic for supporting someone else for mayor! + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2011 05:59 chaoser wrote: Your only criteria for voting for someone is that you've played in previously PM games with them and that they are active all the time? There are other things too, but I've stopped here because I have been in IRC this entire time and have lost my focus on this post. I'll clarify more things/reasons if anyone wants me to. (I'm on IRC) Here's a conversation we just had in which chaoser provides reasons as to why he's playing the way he's playing: + Show Spoiler + [20:47] <chaosers> yo [20:48] <wherebugsgo> sup [20:49] <chaosers> why do you think i'm mafia? [20:49] <wherebugsgo> you'll find out soon enough [20:49] <wherebugsgo> besides DB who do you want lynched? [20:49] <wherebugsgo> and why? [20:49] <chaosers> hiro [20:49] <chaosers> rafield [20:49] <chaosers> anyone saying mafia won't run for office [20:50] <chaosers> basically [20:50] <wherebugsgo> okay [20:50] <wherebugsgo> so why hiro? [20:50] <wherebugsgo> besides that [20:50] <wherebugsgo> it can't be the only reason lol [20:50] <chaosers> I would like to nominate the 3 most active and protown people as of right now, and that would be: [20:50] <chaosers> Sandroba [20:50] <chaosers> Jumbo [20:50] <chaosers> Radfield [20:50] <chaosers> All three put a lot of effort into organizing town so far. By putting them in public office, We pressure them to keep up there performance. Of the three, I like Sand and Rad the most, Jumbo the least. [20:51] <chaosers> chaoser or wiggles dont have a platform, so i see no reason to elect them. They could change my mind, if they give me a reason to. [20:51] <chaosers> stuff like that [20:51] <chaosers> no, they dont have platforms, but I was putting out who I would like to run based on there performance this game so far. [20:51] <chaosers> I look up to you and your play as something to emulate, and while your past performance in leading town is impressive, you haven't done much of that this game. Or perhaps i should say your number 4 behind sand/jumbo/rad. I might vote for you, but you got to give me more reasons [20:51] <chaosers> then he says [20:51] <chaosers> I am of the opinion that the scum teams wont try running for mayor unless they have some role combo that would stop DT checks (I doubt all three would have this). maybe 2 out of 3. maybe. [20:52] <chaosers> by that logic [20:52] <chaosers> i'd be least likely to have a combo role [20:52] <wherebugsgo> so again, other than the fact that he overlooked the fact that several roles in the game have the ability to be strong as scum in office, why is hiro scum? [20:52] <chaosers> since i'm 19 [20:53] <chaosers> cool, Im voting for Radfield. [20:53] <chaosers> My dream picks are Rad/mig for Mayor/pardoner right now. Both have put a good amount of effort into the thread or PMs. Both are good scumhunters (Well I dont know about Rad, Im going of reputation. but Mig is for sure). [20:53] <chaosers> My only hang up about Mig is that prior to getting his role, he showed no interest into becoming Mayor. I might be overly paranoid, but I dont think any scum would have been gunning for the Mayor slot until they got there role. [20:53] <chaosers> he says he's vointg for rad [20:53] <chaosers> and immediately pairs him with mig [20:53] <chaosers> who is a lot more townie [20:55] <wherebugsgo> sooo [20:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't really see you [20:55] <wherebugsgo> providing reasons [20:55] <wherebugsgo> just saying he likes Radfield and Mig for office [20:55] <wherebugsgo> so he's scum? [20:55] <wherebugsgo> lol [20:56] <chaosers> if you're going to tunnel me [20:56] <chaosers> then tunnel me [20:56] <chaosers> you've played games where i've played mafia [20:57] <wherebugsgo> I've played one game [20:57] <chaosers> ask yourself if my play this game is a result of me being mafia or a product of being overworked, underslept, and out of my element [20:57] <wherebugsgo> where you're scum [20:57] <wherebugsgo> uhh lol [20:57] <wherebugsgo> don't get all emotional with me [20:57] <wherebugsgo> that shit doesn't work [20:57] <chaosers> i ain't getting emotional [20:57] <chaosers> that's my excuse for my play [20:57] <chaosers> take it or leave it [20:57] <wherebugsgo> well, you're pulling in outside of game excuses [20:57] <wherebugsgo> for your play [20:57] <chaosers> indeed i am [20:57] <wherebugsgo> you really think that's going to help your case, then so be it [20:58] <chaosers> it's called emta [20:58] <wherebugsgo> however [20:58] <wherebugsgo> your meta would suggest that you are scum this game [20:58] <chaosers> from the one game you played with me/ [20:58] <wherebugsgo> no [20:58] <wherebugsgo> primarily from what I saw in LOTR when you were town [20:58] <chaosers> you mean at the end of that game? [20:58] <wherebugsgo> as town you don't seem to back off when you think someone is scm [20:58] <wherebugsgo> yep [20:59] <chaosers> did i back off from people when i was scum in that one game where i was mafia? [20:59] <wherebugsgo> you bussed in that game [20:59] <chaosers> have i EVER backed off people? [20:59] <wherebugsgo> other than that [21:00] <chaosers> so all of a sudden i decide it's ok in my play [21:00] <wherebugsgo> you pushed DB [21:00] <chaosers> to back off people [21:00] <wherebugsgo> sorry, Pyo [21:00] <wherebugsgo> as a mislynch [21:00] <wherebugsgo> you push bad townies [21:00] <wherebugsgo> as scum [21:00] <chaosers> that's like every scum,at least this time after talkign to people [21:00] <chaosers> i acknowledge [21:00] <chaosers> he was bad lynch [21:00] <chaosers> and gave up on it [21:01] <chaosers> if i had kept pushing it i can understand [21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:02] <chaosers> just [21:02] <chaosers> whatever [21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:02] <chaosers> clearly nothing i say [21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:02] <chaosers> will convince you otherwise [21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:02] <chaosers> lol [21:03] <wherebugsgo> trololool [21:03] <chaosers> trololol [21:04] <wherebugsgo> oh btw [21:04] <wherebugsgo> XLIV doesn't apply as much here, since you decided you'd bus Mig as your plan from day 1 [21:04] <wherebugsgo> bussing doesn't really work here when you have 3 scumteams and each team is made of 4 players each [21:04] <chaosers> you know you could go look at every other game [21:04] <chaosers> i've palyed mafia [21:05] <chaosers> besides that one right? [21:05] <wherebugsgo> so whether your meta as scum applies from XLIV here doesn't matter [21:05] <wherebugsgo> no, actually, there's no game where someone as scum (for good players, anyway) will apply here [21:05] <wherebugsgo> really we can only use town meta [21:05] <wherebugsgo> because that's what will be consistent [21:05] <wherebugsgo> scum meta is going to be useless because even scum in this game will want to "scumhunt" [21:05] <chaosers> ok so in a game [21:05] <chaosers> that's soooo easy [21:05] <wherebugsgo> in XLIV you bussed Mig two days in a row, so your "meta" there is largely useless [21:05] <chaosers> to scumhunt [21:06] <chaosers> you'd think [21:06] <chaosers> i'd be a lot better at it huh? [21:06] <wherebugsgo> in this game? [21:06] <wherebugsgo> yeah definitely [21:06] <chaosers> yeah [21:06] <chaosers> in this game [21:06] <chaosers> yeah [21:06] <chaosers> but i didn't [21:06] <chaosers> if i was mafia, i'd be living it up [21:06] <wherebugsgo> I'd think you'd actually put some heart into it if you were town [21:06] <chaosers> it' be liek bussing mafia that weren't even on my team [21:06] <wherebugsgo> wtf? [21:06] <chaosers> by bussing i mean [21:06] <wherebugsgo> yes, kinda [21:06] <chaosers> i'd be hunting mafia [21:06] <wherebugsgo> you would get towncred [21:06] <chaosers> like it was going out of fashion [21:07] <chaosers> yeah [21:07] <wherebugsgo> but [21:07] <wherebugsgo> you'd still have an agenda [21:07] <wherebugsgo> and your agenda is apparent [21:07] <chaosers> i understan that's like WIFOM [21:07] <wherebugsgo> you want to lynch people who appear scummy [21:07] <wherebugsgo> hiro and DB are fucking terrible lynches and you'd know that if you were town [21:07] <wherebugsgo> you saw XLIV and how bad they both played [21:07] <wherebugsgo> DB as medic and hiro as VT [21:07] <chaosers> i don't even remember hiro [21:07] <wherebugsgo> hiro fakeclaimed vet [21:07] <chaosers> as a player [21:07] <wherebugsgo> and DB claimed DT? into medic [21:07] <wherebugsgo> and then got himself shot [21:08] <wherebugsgo> cause he was dumb. [21:08] <chaosers> i remember someone doing that but not who it was [21:08] <chaosers> but now i do [21:08] <chaosers> so thanks [21:08] <wherebugsgo> now he's doing something dumb again and you jump all over him as if that's some sort of huge tell that he's scum [21:08] <wherebugsgo> same with hiro [21:08] <wherebugsgo> hiro is being standard hiro for all intents and purposes [21:08] <wherebugsgo> and you want to lynch him because he's "scummy" without actually providing real reasons [21:08] <wherebugsgo> if you were town [21:08] <chaosers> he said [21:09] <wherebugsgo> you would recognize that these two players are both known for this kind of play [21:09] <chaosers> that he thinks mafia would run for office [21:09] <chaosers> unless they have combos [21:09] <wherebugsgo> and you would give them time [21:09] <wherebugsgo> he thinks they would NOT run for office [21:09] <chaosers> um, i'm sorry but i'm not super jesus with a memory of 100 [21:09] <chaosers> i on't remember bad palyers [21:09] <chaosers> the only bad player i remember [21:09] <chaosers> is kenpachi [21:09] <chaosers> cause i got him lynched once as town [21:09] <chaosers> and he was town [21:09] <wherebugsgo> you just played a game [21:09] <chaosers> and lsot us the game [21:09] <wherebugsgo> full of bad players [21:09] <wherebugsgo> in LoTR [21:10] <chaosers> yeah, and i only remember the last few poeple [21:10] <chaosers> heist [21:10] <chaosers> and trancestorm [21:10] <chaosers> mostly trancesotrm [21:10] <wherebugsgo> and Drazerk [21:10] <chaosers> i will never play with that guy again [21:10] <chaosers> drazerk protected my ass [21:10] <chaosers> i high five him [21:10] <wherebugsgo> he also protted iGrok [21:10] <wherebugsgo> the "survivor Balrog" [21:10] <chaosers> yeah that was really stupid... [21:10] <chaosers> hey, i actually thought iGRok was actualyl th balrog [21:10] <wherebugsgo> and also believed kita's tracker claim IIRC rofl [21:11] <chaosers> everyon believd his claim [21:11] <wherebugsgo> and by everyone, you mean all the townies who were left [21:11] <wherebugsgo> and almost all of them were bad to some extent at least lol [21:11] <wherebugsgo> heist believes any claim [21:11] <chaosers> um, it was day 2 when he claimed [21:11] <chaosers> i tihnk [21:11] <wherebugsgo> no it was later than that [21:11] <chaosers> day 3 [21:12] <wherebugsgo> all the good townies were dead by that point [21:12] <wherebugsgo> but anyway [21:12] <wherebugsgo> I think you're a good player as town [21:12] <wherebugsgo> which is why I seriously question your motives [21:12] <wherebugsgo> when you push DB and hiro [21:12] <chaosers> jesus that was such a shit game... [21:12] <chaosers> mafia were so stacked with good palyers... [21:13] <chaosers> jackal things hiro is a good lynch too> [21:15] <chaosers> mig agrees that peopel who said mafia aren't running in elections is scummy as well? [21:15] <chaosers> i talke to both of them before i decided on hiro [21:15] <chaosers> this was after the DB thing [21:16] <wherebugsgo> 1. the other things that Jackal and Mig have done/said are not quite as scummy as what you have done [21:16] <chaosers> i was out of it from work [21:16] <wherebugsgo> 2. they actually have good reasons [21:16] <wherebugsgo> and can provide them [21:16] <wherebugsgo> 3. they have some original opinions. [21:17] <wherebugsgo> I can't find anything that you've said that hadn't already been said by some other person in the game already [21:17] <chaosers> i've been in the ER for like 15 hours [21:17] <chaosers> in the past three days [21:17] <chaosers> + med school classes [21:17] <wherebugsgo> dude [21:17] <wherebugsgo> a lot of us have school too [21:17] <chaosers> i'm sorry that i haven't been puttign in my 100% [21:17] <wherebugsgo> I don't care what's going on outside of game [21:17] <wherebugsgo> if that's an issue [21:17] <chaosers> did you have to hold someone's liver for three hours straight? [21:17] <wherebugsgo> request a replacement [21:17] <wherebugsgo> do I care? [21:17] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:18] <chaosers> apparently you don't [21:18] <wherebugsgo> this game isn't about sparing who I have the most sympathy for [21:18] <wherebugsgo> this game is about finding scum and killing them [21:18] <chaosers> i'm not saying [21:18] <chaosers> pity me [21:18] <chaosers> i'm saying [21:18] <wherebugsgo> certainly sounds like it lol [21:18] <chaosers> whether i'm scum or not [21:18] <chaosers> wil lbe clear [21:18] <chaosers> in a ay or two [21:18] <chaosers> especailly after elections [21:18] <wherebugsgo> "oh look at how much work I've been doing irl please let me live" [21:18] <chaosers> sigh [21:18] <wherebugsgo> lol [21:18] <chaosers> your arguement against me [21:19] <chaosers> is that i'm not playing up to snuff [21:19] <chaosers> my defense is that i know i'm not [21:19] <chaosers> and this is the reason why [21:19] <wherebugsgo> so you think [21:19] <wherebugsgo> we should lynch hiro/DB instead of you? [21:19] <wherebugsgo> or Radfield lol [21:19] <chaosers> i think radfield [21:19] <chaosers> actually [21:19] <chaosers> i don't think [21:19] <chaosers> i nee to reread the thread [21:19] <chaosers> when i'm not dea tired [21:19] <chaosers> and then talk to people [21:19] <wherebugsgo> loool [21:19] <chaosers> restart the game [21:20] <wherebugsgo> you have like [21:20] <wherebugsgo> 24 hours tomorrow [21:20] <wherebugsgo> it's a saturday [21:20] <wherebugsgo> if you're really this tired you'll have plenty of time to save yourself! [21:20] <chaosers> hospitals don't clsoe on weekends btw, but i'll only be busy from 5AM-9AM [21:21] <chaosers> how old are you -_- [21:21] <chaosers> to compare school to med school is ridiculous... [21:21] <wherebugsgo> I'm a physics/linguistics undergrad at UC Berkeley [21:21] <wherebugsgo> don't try to use the school excuse on me lol [21:22] <wherebugsgo> I realize that med school is hard [21:22] <wherebugsgo> but it's a pathetic excuse [21:22] <chaosers> come to med school, see our 80 hour work week [21:22] <wherebugsgo> dude [21:22] <chaosers> that's liek average [21:22] <wherebugsgo> if you're so bogged down [21:22] <wherebugsgo> why the hell are you playing mafia? [21:22] <wherebugsgo> if this is real I can't imagine you're even enjoying the game [21:22] <chaosers> i wasn't expecting to be this bogge down [21:22] <chaosers> one of my coworkers [21:22] <chaosers> is out sick [21:22] <chaosers> so i had to take their shift for this week [21:23] <chaosers> i'll be free all of next week [21:23] <chaosers> from shifts [21:23] <chaosers> since he'll be back [21:23] <wherebugsgo> zZz [21:23] <chaosers> and covering all of mine [21:23] <chaosers> and no [21:23] <chaosers> i'm not enjoyign this game [21:23] <chaosers> rightn ow [21:23] <wherebugsgo> I would think if you were town you'd probably request replacement lol [21:23] <wherebugsgo> but whatever [21:23] <chaosers> you know, you could try being a little bit less of a condescending ass [21:23] <wherebugsgo> I'm being condescending? [21:23] <wherebugsgo> rofl [21:24] <wherebugsgo> I'm not saying I'm better than you [21:24] <chaosers> with the zZzs and lol's [21:24] <chaosers> ? [21:24] <wherebugsgo> I'm just saying this is really underhanded [21:24] <chaosers> patronizing [21:24] <wherebugsgo> it's total bullshit IMO [21:24] <wherebugsgo> to be using IRL excuses in a game of psychology [21:24] <wherebugsgo> and in fact [21:24] <wherebugsgo> anyone who does so [21:24] <wherebugsgo> IMO [21:24] <wherebugsgo> and then doesn't do anything about it [21:24] <wherebugsgo> is insta scum [21:24] <wherebugsgo> you seem to be completely apathetic [21:24] <chaosers> i am doing somthing about it [21:24] <wherebugsgo> what, exactly? [21:24] <chaosers> i talk to gm [21:24] <chaosers> ed [21:24] <chaosers> about getting him to replace me [21:25] <wherebugsgo> GM? [21:25] <chaosers> but that's outsie the game [21:25] <wherebugsgo> GM is not hosting this game lol [21:25] <chaosers> yeah [21:25] <chaosers> but he said [21:25] <wherebugsgo> and he's not able to play either [21:25] <chaosers> he's in charge [21:25] <chaosers> of somestuff [21:25] <chaosers> yeah Other people who would make a good lynch today: sandroba prplhz People who need to die at some point: Radfield Meapak People who are scummy: supersoft wiggles arctocod People who are null or just plain unreadable atm: Mig Syllogism Jimbo Scamp Jackal hiro Node Everyone else is some combination of null/town to me atm. There are a few players I haven't really talked to yet and am not yet concerned about. These players I expect to either be modkilled or to be relevant issues later in the game. | ||
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Another person I would support for office would be Foolishness. As of now he is not running, and I would not like to split the vote. However, I will support GreYMisT/Foolishness for the two elected offices and no one else, unless I am given ample reason to believe why neither of these players should be there. I encourage you all to vote GreYMisT/Foolishness so we have two townies who are viable candidates. Radfield and Mig are sub-par candidates in comparison. Jimbo is not bad, but it is unclear whether or not he is a good candidate for elected office. Also, he is #3 on the draft list and I don't think it'd be a great idea to put someone that high on the draft list in office when we aren't all sure of whether he is town or not. In the interest of getting one of these players elected I will not vote Foolishness unless significant numbers of people pull their votes off Radfield and Mig. At least one of these two players needs to be in office IMO, and that's better than voting them both before one of them has gained ground. For those aforementioned reasons, ##vote GreYMisT for Mayor! If anyone has questions regarding my logic or why I think GreYMisT/Foolishness should be in office, feel free to PM me. Also, I would highly suggest all the players in the game PM these two players if you have not done so already. | ||
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On October 15 2011 15:52 Scamp wrote: WBG why are you so sure that Foolishness is town? Dropbear I really don't like your logic. How can you say that about "several" of the current candidates and then vote for Greymist? Through PMs, basically. Primarily the same reasons I believe GreYMisT is town. If you'd like to find out for yourself you can PM Foolishness yourself. I also think he'd be a good candidate for mayor because he's so damn low on the draft pick list. It's unlikely that he has a role that would be really dangerous for town in an elected position, even as scum. Foolishness generally makes a really good scumhunter by day 2 or 3, and he'll do that regardless of alignment IMO because of the nature of this game. However, he IS townie to me and so I believe he deserves this position more than anyone who had committed their candidacies earlier. The only other player I feel so strongly about atm is GreYMisT. AFAIK no one actually thinks GreYMisT is scum. Foolishness I don't know what people think about, but it'd be useful for them to PM him. | ||
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Currently, Radfield leads the mayoral candidacy with 6 votes. HOWEVER, Radfield is a terrible candidate and should NOT be allowed into office. If you are voting Radfield please strongly reconsider your vote and take your vote off of him. Vote GreyMist or Mig instead. The optimal situation is if we can get Mig/Greymist to 7/8 votes each. We need both of these guys elected to office. I think both are town, and we need townies in office, not Radfield. Currently I suspect any voters on Radfield, and I will continue to do so until you have provided adequate reason for me to think you are not suspicious. I repeat, WE CANNOT ALLOW RADFIELD TO BE ELECTED. | ||
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On October 15 2011 19:11 deconduo wrote: You keep saying that but you haven't given any reasons why. Apart from draft position what makes greymist a better candidate? If its just gut instinct, why should I go by yours instead of my own? It's not gut instinct. Have you even PMed GreYMisT? What makes Radfield a better choice than Mig? What makes Radfield a good mayor choice? lol... Honestly I find it weird that at 3 of my strongest scum reads are voting him right now. Either Radfield is a townie and some scum are tying themselves to him, or he's scum and they're trying to get him into office. I have no idea why kenpachi is voting him though. Kenpachi's just weird I guess. | ||
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It seems like a good way to relieve suspicion on himself; as scum that's a great way to get yourself into office. I also don't doubt that Radfield is good at scum seeing as he completely convinced sandroba he was town in LoTR through PMs. Electing Radfield into office is basically a gamble. We gamble that he's town and he potentially gets protection, or that he's scum and so we get him off the candidacy list. I don't think we can be sure of Radfield's alignment this early in the game and so we should go with the two candidates we CAN be sure of, GreYMisT and Mig. Mig is really transparent and obvious town, GreYMisT is a relatively new player so I'd find it extraordinarily unlikely he's scum based on the things he's said and done both in thread and in PM. | ||
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On October 15 2011 19:37 deconduo wrote: Has greymist even PMed me? I've played games with Radfield before and I know he's a good scumhunter. I know mig is good too, however I haven't been impressed with mig's posts so far. He seems to be out of it a bit. On top of this Radfield is the only mayoral candidate who took the initiative and PMed me. That was enough to give him my vote. I haven't a clue who greymist is and his entire campaign is 'Everyone else running is bad lolz' I know you think radfield is scummy but you honestly think he's a better candidate than mig? As far as I can tell he's just some nobody so no way am I voting for him. Never seen him play a game before so why should I vote for him. He has done nothing to convinve me of anything. I don't see why anyone would ever PM you in this game lol | ||
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On October 15 2011 21:24 Radfield wrote: Is there an actual argument in here somewhere? Basically what you are saying is that there is a risk I may be scum, and therefore should not be mayor. But what does a scum Radfield as mayor really look like? Fact is, regardless of what you think my alignment is, you should know from my playstyle that I will be hunting scum no matter what. You may think that my role in my hands could be dangerous, but I have a role which can confirm itself(and is shown to NOT be dangerous to town), and works with great synergy as the mayor position. The point is that I don't know what your alignment is, and I'd rather have someone who is more likely to be town (like Mig, or GreYMisT) than you in office. The bolded is important; you yourself even imply that it's unknown what a scum mayor Radfield would look like. No one knows. You're pretty good at scum, for all we know you could play massively pro town while pushing your own agenda behind the scenes. No one would notice, especially if you manage to kill off all the more pro-town players by the time it would be relevant. Lastly I said nothing about your role so I have no idea why you are bringing it up. On October 15 2011 21:24 Radfield wrote: You're also completely ignoring the vast upside of having a pro-town Radfield in an elected slot. If I am allowed to live till late-game, which an elected position will grant me, I will undoubtedly be a game changing presence in favor of town. I am clear thinking, good at scum hunting, and excellent at keeping town discussion moving in productive directions. You may think that I can give these benefits without the protection of an elected position, but I will be dead night 1. I'm not ignoring it. I'm basing this decision on the fact that your alignment is a complete unknown right now. You could be scum or town and we have no way of telling until a reliable DT checks you. I like how you say a "pro-town Radfield" and not a "town Radfield." There IS a difference in this game. Frankly I don't care if you live till lategame. The game doesn't revolve around you living or dying. The game revolves around us finding scum. At the moment, I can't tell what you are, so I don't want you in office. Simple as that. On October 15 2011 21:24 Radfield wrote: There are 12 players actively opposed to seeing me elected. There are 12 players actively trying to cut me down and reduce my effectiveness. There are 12 players who want me dead and out of this game. Bugs, if you are NOT one of those 12 player, then you need to shape up and stop doing their work for them. Let me do my job. Your day 1 scum reads are notoriously poor, yet you always push them with reckless abandon. Take off your scum-goggles, and slow down. In LOTR you had awful reads day 1, and solid reads every day after that(in the dead QT). Do you even know my reads in this game? In fact, if you did, you would not say something so stupid. + Show Spoiler + hint: my #1 scumread for day 1 is chaoser. Not to mention, I don't know why you're saying my day 1 read in LoTR was bad when it ended up being Sauron (lol) On October 16 2011 01:58 JACCUZISPLAT wrote: have you ever identified mig as scum? because all that happens every pm game you 2 play is you work together from the very start. in kurumi's tf2 mafia with like 5 vets, you claimed to mig day 1. for no other reason that you thought he was town. I assume you've claimed to mig this game as well. All i want to know is why you think he is town. please. Hiro is our lynch today everybody. He doesn't want a powerful role in office(#3 pick). I'm not sure why, maybe because that person could be scum with a powerful role? But then we could just lynch this person right? I just don't understand where he's coming from with that and it just looks like he doesn't want a powerful pick in office because it will be harder to night kill. I can't trust mig because i have seen nothing that convinces me he is town. Mig is, as far as i can tell, syllogism's mafia hero, so syllo instantly thinks he is town every game. this leaves us with radfield, jimbo and greymist as viable candidates. I've established jimbo isn't on the same scumteam as hiro but i'm not sure how town he is. Radfield is weird. He is obviously an excellent scumhunter(go read the last day of the last pyp for this.), but his posts have an off feeling to them. this vote by hiro also comes off as odd. He also said he wants radfield in office because he is a good scumhunter, but he only knows this by representation. Hiro has basically given no reasons to be voting radfield over chaoser or jimbo, both of them also good scumhunters.(I think i know who jimbo is, so that's why im including him). Now either Radfield is scumbuddies with hiro or hiro is just scum putting down an easy vote, but it makes me uneasy of radfield. Greymist is not experienced enough to be mayor in this game. Foolishness would have had my vote looking at past games and experience but it seems he's barely playing in this game. so in conclusion you should still vote me. If this is red talking, then I can understand why this post sounds like this lol. I'm pretty sure ON wouldn't be acting the way you're acting. On October 15 2011 22:07 supersoft wrote: in xlv wbg had aweful scumreads everyday :D sorry but i have to agree with radfield there. you should slow it down a little. noone will listen to you if you spam like that. in this game, this playstyle of massive talking doesnt even confirm you as townie if you're right with your accusations. you could very well be a member of a opponent scumteam. seriously, noone knows 100% sure that mig or rad are town. its a decision based on meta. i didn't vote mig because i think hes more likely town than rad. i vote him because i know him. at this point of the game given a 43% scumrate noone is confirmed by any mean! we have no influence. All we can do and in my opinion we have to do is voting a mayor that is active and experienced. if he's scum, we have to control him and we can control him. worst case is an inactive inexperienced and therefor a useless mayor. So Radfield is saying that I'm spamming? 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On October 16 2011 04:06 kitaman27 wrote: By the way, I tracked chaoser to a kill tonight. LOL | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:24 heist wrote: I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member. What the fuuuck This makes no sense whatsoever to me | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote: What the fuuuck This makes no sense whatsoever to me Actually I just realized that this sentence is ambiguous. Heist, do you mean that you don't want us to disregard Radfield because he has the potential to be good scum? From the way you posted that, it could be interpreted that you don't want Radfield to die, because he could make a very good scum player (which obviously makes no sense) | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:44 heist wrote: Should we kill off Radfield just because he's really good as scum no matter how town he acts? No. Who is suggesting we kill him, though? All I'm saying is that electing him as Mayor is really high risk. That's a risk I just don't feel comfortable taking. | ||
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So, instead, I'd prefer Mig to 100% get the mayor role. So, I've switched my vote to Mig. I'd rather have Mig as Mayor and be assured that we know who the bodyguards are than have Radfield as mayor and be unsure. | ||
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On October 16 2011 07:05 chaoser wrote: Wait...so you're more sure Mig is town...but want to give radfield the stronger role for mafia if he's mafia? I think mayor is stronger. To be honest the difference isn't really that huge, but if the BGs get switched out and Mig gets shot we'll instantly have 2 scum. If Radfield is mayor I can't guarantee we'd know who the BGs are. Obviously we can't do anything about Radfield not being on the ballot. I'd rather have Mig be the mayor. | ||
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On October 16 2011 07:49 Arctocod wrote: this game sucks I don't really care what you do anymore. People are apparently more interested in trolling than actually playing the game. Someone can shoot me so I can be confirmed town, and then you can know at least both syllogism and supersoft lied about their roleclaims. The irony in this post is hilarious | ||
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On October 16 2011 11:28 Radfield wrote: I'm trying to find alternate lynch candidates at the moment. I would love to have everyones input. Chaoser is still on the short list, but there may be someone better we can all agree on. If you do not lynch chaoser or prpl I will push for your lynch so hard you will not know what happened to you. | ||
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On October 16 2011 13:25 heist wrote: Well I come back to Radfield and Chaoser wanting my head and narrowly avoiding a lynch.... What exactly are you guys accusing me of other than that idiotic conversation with Chaoser? Obviously they're accusing you of being scum, what a dumb question | ||
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On October 17 2011 08:47 deconduo wrote: Wow I thought I would have a load to read up on when I got back but today has been really quiet. I'm surprised no one has called for a vig shot on Foolishness, he's very obviously scum at this point especially as Node flipped scum. The rest of the people trying to get greymist elected should be checked, especially WBG. yes, I should be checked, when I called on Radfield to lynch node. Are you retarded? | ||
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On October 17 2011 08:47 deconduo wrote: Wow I thought I would have a load to read up on when I got back but today has been really quiet. I'm surprised no one has called for a vig shot on Foolishness, he's very obviously scum at this point especially as Node flipped scum. The rest of the people trying to get greymist elected should be checked, especially WBG. Decon is implying a scum family was pushing Greymist to be elected, and implicating me and foolish of being part of that family. That's why it's relevant. | ||
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On October 17 2011 09:14 Scamp wrote: Well you were also the biggest proponent for NOT electing Radfield, so it's odd to take any kind of credit for his actions. Also at one point before the one-liner against node you said you'd get him (Radfield) lynched if he didn't kill plprhz or Chaoser. But all I want to know is: What is your opinion of Foolishness? 1. That was before prpl was confirmed town and also before chaoser claimed. 2. I was against electing Radfield but he got elected. So instead I told him who to lynch. Problem? 3. Foolishness is null to me atm. | ||
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On October 17 2011 10:19 prplhz wrote: hey wbg why is it that first you liked foolishness so much that you wanted him to run for office and you were so sure that he was town through your pms ... and then when someone said your name and his in the same post suddenly he's a null tell to you? Because things change. At one point I thought Mig was null and now I think he's town. Earlier in the game I thought Foolish was town and now I think he's less so. Has he posted in the thread? Nope. Has he PMed a lot of players? Nope. I have very valid reasons for thinking the things I do but I don't have to reveal them to the entire thread unless I feel like it's absolutely necessary. | ||
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He hasn't posted in the thread very much, he hasn't done much at all since the mayoral candidacies yesterday. He hasn't PMed very many people either. That doesn't make him scum, but it certainly makes him less townie than he appeared earlier in the game. I'm not withholding any information I think is relevant to town. I don't think it's relevant that my opinion on Foolish has changed because I don't think he's scum yet. He's null. If I thought he was scum I'd definitely post that. | ||
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On October 17 2011 10:34 prplhz wrote: how do you know how many people he's PMd? has he PMd me? has he PMd you? Clearly you are dumber than you look. You quoted a post in which I said I had PMed Foolishness... Based on the number of people I've talked to who say they've been in contact with Foolish, I can safely say that he is not active in either the thread nor PMs. | ||
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On October 17 2011 11:02 prplhz wrote: @wbg i don't think you can safely conclude anything about foolishness' pm activity you seem more like you're bitter that suddenly he doesn't want to talk to you anymore and then you're letting your feelings get in the way of the game Do you know how many people I've contacted? I don't know what your aim is lol...I'm telling you I feel a certain way about Foolishness based on the number of people who have told me that they have not been in contact with him. | ||
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On October 17 2011 13:43 Mig wrote: Kenpachi why did you take nkvd at #2 instead of dt? This is a fucking wonderful question lol Why would you take NKVD when DT gives both role and alignment info? | ||
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that way we'd know whether or not he's lynchable, shootable, etc. What if he's hero? We can't lynch him damn kenpachi lolol | ||
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In the meantime, I think I should start off the voting. Supersoft is scum. Don't believe me? Too bad + Show Spoiler + trolololol kk I don't wanna write a novel so ##vote supersoft be back in the afternoon after class and stuff. Sweet dreams all! | ||
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Ace please shoot supersoft. + Show Spoiler + [22:50] <wherebugsgo> ok back [22:51] <supersoft> i have only 5 minutes [22:51] <wherebugsgo> lol had to get into chrome and not firefox [22:51] <supersoft> :-/ [22:51] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:51] <wherebugsgo> what are your scumreads? [22:51] <supersoft> yep np [22:51] <supersoft> well, [22:51] <supersoft> i dont like palmars smurf [22:51] <supersoft> this actorod [22:51] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:52] <supersoft> i trolled him a little bit [22:52] <supersoft> by telling him that i am the inventor [22:52] <supersoft> on #18 [22:52] <supersoft> ... [22:52] <supersoft> i didn't knew it was palmar [22:53] <wherebugsgo> lol k [22:53] <supersoft> but his reaction was strange [22:53] <wherebugsgo> what did he say [22:53] <supersoft> he said i am lying to him [22:53] <supersoft> and wanted to know my real role [22:53] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:54] <wherebugsgo> soo [22:54] <supersoft> i dont like people that are bluefishing [22:54] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:54] <wherebugsgo> other than arcto [22:54] <wherebugsgo> anyone else? [22:54] <supersoft> not really. I think syllo and mig are town [22:54] <supersoft> i am not sure about rad [22:55] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:55] <wherebugsgo> lol [22:55] <wherebugsgo> there are 7 scum left [22:55] <supersoft> still. [22:55] <wherebugsgo> and 14 town [22:55] <supersoft> yes i know [22:55] <wherebugsgo> and you have 1 read lol [22:55] <supersoft> everyone could be scum [22:55] <wherebugsgo> wtf no [22:55] <wherebugsgo> like half the town is confirmed already [22:55] <supersoft> wtf yes [22:55] <wherebugsgo> ok [22:55] <wherebugsgo> so [22:55] <supersoft> lol confirmed in this game? [22:55] <wherebugsgo> I guess you haven't done anything [22:55] <wherebugsgo> all game [22:55] <wherebugsgo> but there are at least [22:55] <supersoft> whos confirmed in your eyes [22:55] <wherebugsgo> 3 confirmed town [22:56] <wherebugsgo> I don't need to tell you lol [22:56] <wherebugsgo> if you're scum you don't need to know who is confirmed [22:56] <wherebugsgo> there are like 5-6 probable towns [22:56] <wherebugsgo> ex mig syllo [22:56] <wherebugsgo> like you already stated [22:56] <wherebugsgo> 3 confirmed (at least) [22:57] <wherebugsgo> = 8-9 probable townies [22:57] <wherebugsgo> then there's like five people who are almost definitely scum lol [22:57] <supersoft> okay who [22:57] <wherebugsgo> again [22:57] <wherebugsgo> no need for me to say [22:57] <wherebugsgo> if you are scum [22:57] <supersoft> dude i got to go :D [22:57] <wherebugsgo> kk [22:57] <wherebugsgo> we'll talk again some other time [22:57] <supersoft> blargh [22:57] <wherebugsgo> perhaps later this day cycle [22:57] <supersoft> why am i talking to you [22:57] <supersoft> are you confirmed town? [22:57] <supersoft> i guess not. [22:58] <wherebugsgo> you don't need to know lol [22:58] <supersoft> lol [22:58] <supersoft> why am i talking to you [22:58] <supersoft> this doesnt make any sense [22:58] <supersoft> with your shady [22:58] <supersoft> "you dont need to know" [22:58] <supersoft> then i dont need to talk to you [22:58] <wherebugsgo> ofc not [22:58] <wherebugsgo> you're not probable town to me [22:58] <wherebugsgo> so I don't need to tell you anything [22:59] <wherebugsgo> and you haven't shown [22:59] <wherebugsgo> that you ARE probable town this game [22:59] <wherebugsgo> so...lol [22:59] <supersoft> yo [22:59] <supersoft> how could i show this anyway [22:59] <wherebugsgo> contributing [22:59] <wherebugsgo> PMing people [22:59] <wherebugsgo> being around [22:59] <wherebugsgo> lots of ways actually [22:59] <wherebugsgo> those are only a few [22:59] <wherebugsgo> you've had like no say [22:59] <supersoft> lol [23:00] <wherebugsgo> in elections/last 5 scum who died [23:00] <supersoft> you're funny [23:00] <wherebugsgo> or well 4 I guess [23:00] <wherebugsgo> cause decon hasn't flipped yet [23:00] <wherebugsgo> 3 scum died last night [23:00] <supersoft> i know [23:00] <wherebugsgo> and AFAIK you said nothing about any of them [23:00] <wherebugsgo> before they died [23:00] <supersoft> i just read the daypost [23:00] <supersoft> lol [23:00] <wherebugsgo> you haven't said anything about decon either [23:00] <supersoft> dude [23:00] <supersoft> and even if i did [23:00] <supersoft> this wouldnt confirm me as town [23:00] <supersoft> if i was scum [23:00] <wherebugsgo> no it wouldn't [23:00] <wherebugsgo> I never said it would confirm you lol [23:00] <supersoft> i would be interested [23:01] <wherebugsgo> it would help make you look better though [23:01] <supersoft> that the other scumfractions die [23:01] <supersoft> so [23:01] <wherebugsgo> very unlikely [23:01] <supersoft> it doesnt tell you anything [23:01] <wherebugsgo> unless you're a tudor [23:01] <wherebugsgo> you would be scared [23:01] <supersoft> if someone even kills scum [23:01] <wherebugsgo> cause both yorker/lancaster have half their members right now [23:01] <supersoft> i am not scum [23:01] <wherebugsgo> good for you lol [23:01] <supersoft> just have a lot of work to do [23:01] <wherebugsgo> I don't know what you are [23:01] <supersoft> and am talking to only you and mig [23:02] <wherebugsgo> right that's a problem lol [23:02] <wherebugsgo> you need to talk to more people [23:02] <supersoft> no its not [23:02] <wherebugsgo> ofc it is [23:02] <supersoft> i play every game like that [23:02] <supersoft> i hate the start of the games [23:02] <wherebugsgo> lol [23:02] <supersoft> noone knows anything [23:02] <wherebugsgo> well [23:02] <wherebugsgo> obviously [23:02] <wherebugsgo> that isn't the case [23:02] <supersoft> but everyone claims to know exactly whyts going on [23:02] <wherebugsgo> because 5 scum are dead already [23:02] <supersoft> i'll collect my information [23:02] <wherebugsgo> only 1 of which [23:02] <supersoft> and come forward with that at some point [23:02] <wherebugsgo> was shot by other scum [23:02] <supersoft> look at my play in XLV [23:03] <wherebugsgo> your play in XLV [23:03] <wherebugsgo> was different [23:03] <wherebugsgo> than here [23:03] <supersoft> I was afk the first 2 days [23:03] <supersoft> no its not [23:03] <wherebugsgo> yes it is lol [23:03] <supersoft> look my posts [23:03] <supersoft> the first 2 days [23:03] <wherebugsgo> ok [23:03] <wherebugsgo> even Mig [23:03] <supersoft> ahh [23:03] <wherebugsgo> says your play is different [23:03] <supersoft> whatever [23:03] <wherebugsgo> lool [23:03] <supersoft> i need to go [23:03] <wherebugsgo> kk [23:03] <wherebugsgo> cy [23:03] <supersoft> i have an exam [23:03] <supersoft> in about 30 min [23:04] <supersoft> that goes 5 hours [23:04] <supersoft> :-o [23:04] <supersoft> okay [23:04] <wherebugsgo> gl [23:04] <supersoft> thanks [23:05] <supersoft> and don't be stupid. my play is exactly the same. even if i were scum i wouldnt play different [23:05] <supersoft> you can accuse me in the thread [23:05] <supersoft> i'll defend myself like a hero [23:05] <supersoft> :D [23:05] <supersoft> but right now i have only few time [23:05] <supersoft> and noone PMs me except you [23:06] <supersoft> i was online last night for like 3 hours [23:06] <supersoft> :-D [23:06] <supersoft> cu [23:06] <wherebugsgo> cya "I have a 5 hour exam in 30 minutes" LOOK AT THE TIMESTAMPS He showed up at 15:40 to post this when his 5 hour test apparently started 10 minutes ago. 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On October 17 2011 15:40 supersoft wrote: i encouraged him to do that :D i have been a lazy bum so far. wbg told there are 5 confirmed townplayers so far. i bet money on the fact that there is at least 1 redguy among these. writing a 5 hours law exam now G_G i'll be there for you after that, and another 5 hours later i'll be in irc. sup On October 17 2011 15:46 wherebugsgo wrote: [22:55] <supersoft> whos confirmed in your eyes [22:55] <wherebugsgo> 3 confirmed town [22:56] <wherebugsgo> I don't need to tell you lol [22:56] <wherebugsgo> if you're scum you don't need to know who is confirmed [22:56] <wherebugsgo> there are like 5-6 probable towns [22:56] <wherebugsgo> ex mig syllo [22:56] <wherebugsgo> like you already stated [22:56] <wherebugsgo> 3 confirmed (at least) [22:57] <wherebugsgo> = 8-9 probable townies trolololol 2 easy | ||
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also I want super to die, where's Ace when you need him? He's always around when we don't need him and then he's gone when we do | ||
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You do too. By that I mean you need to die, scum. DIE SCUM DIE | ||
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On October 17 2011 18:07 Arctocod wrote: Shut up, a day vigilante on you who's been trying to fucking sabotage town since day 1 would be quite useful. Vote me then! Come on, I dare you. Backup your empty threats. | ||
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On October 17 2011 22:00 Jackal58 wrote: Maybe he's scum, maybe he isn't. But if that's your criteria so are you. + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2011 01:08 wherebugsgo wrote: Yo guys it's 9 am here and I have all my hw due and like five classes today. I won't be on for another 8-10 hours or so. On October 15 2011 01:34 wherebugsgo wrote: On October 15 2011 02:31 wherebugsgo wrote: On October 15 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote: On October 15 2011 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: This is actually reasonable. However, there is a post in there where I spoiler, "fuck HW mafia all the way", and anyone who did /Whois on me in IRC would know I was on my berkeley.edu IP. Also I'm pretty sure I know all the scum now. Arcto's about 4 scum off lololol | ||
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On October 18 2011 01:37 supersoft wrote: ##Vote Meapak_Ziphh palmar made a huge post. i agree. reasons and details follow in about 4 hours if i dont change my mind. @wbg: your case against me is so bad. my exam lasted from 9.00 to 14.00; i left my house at about 8.15 and entered the university at about 8.50 in the meantime from 14.00 to now i was in my repetitorium university course whatever its called in E and only could pm palmar from time to time. if you want to use a kp on me for being wishy washy with these times i really dont care. Meapak might be scum but that doesn't change the fact that you are. Nice try buddy. You need to die. | ||
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This is better! But I still think you're 1-2 off | ||
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On October 18 2011 10:25 Jackal58 wrote: Because a role swapper died. What would you claim as scum if you took NRA first? One of the top 5 have it and are on the same team as him. Meapak could still be the inventor. If he is the inventor and kita was on his team ofc kita wouldn't roleswap Meapak. | ||
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so far the thread has been nothing but this: ![[image loading]](http://sushiboy.me/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_yo-dawg-i-herd-you-liek-derp-so-i-put-a-herp-derp-in-for-your-derp-so-you-can-herp-derp-while-you-herp-derp.jpg) I guess, then, it's time for.... wherebugsgo's Traveling Circus! Day 2 Featuring: sandBROda the SandBROda the really Day 1 Tricks: Gain towncred by hiding behind a bunch of plans Call Mig town because syllo thinks Mig is town but never actually talk to Mig Do nothing productive Don't scumhunt Disappear Night 1 Tricks: Stay disappeared Tell Mig he's drunk Day 2 Tricks: Do nothing Say something on skype once Call me town Post in thread five seconds after someone else calls him out for his I sat down for an interview after sandroba's day 2 tricks. His response? ![[image loading]](http://www.filthyshirt.com/images/T/im_a_drug_dealing_scumbag_black-250x250.jpg) He's the fucking methman. Lynch him. ##vote Sandroba | ||
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On October 18 2011 12:50 hiro protagonist wrote: Saying stuff like this is not helping. Its not a townie thing to do. It actively quells discussion. Stop it. oh look a derp who seems to want to call me scum | ||
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On October 18 2011 15:26 Protactinium wrote: ![[image loading]](http://asset0.torrentino.com/pictures/000/717/384/original.jpg?1267869292) Nuclear Launch Detected! A nuke has been launched at the country of Deconduo! This missile cannot be stopped and will detonate right after the lynch! | ||
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If we have a red check on meapak can someone tell us/me what family he's from? | ||
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I assume the switch got out because one of greymist/sandro told people that meapak was bodyguard. Simple logic. | ||
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That might also be due to my derp of saying bodyguard every time I meant that meapak is a rockstar lol | ||
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On October 19 2011 07:04 Kenpachi wrote: l0l Greymist might be his scumbuddy Yorker kenpachi stop being retarded, if Greymist was a york he wouldn't have bussed meapak. | ||
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yeah he did, what does that have to do with anything? He just freaking voted meapak lol | ||
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On October 19 2011 07:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What the fuck?! Someone's been impersonating me on IRC... -_- I never had that conversation with you, meapak, lol. No wonder people think I'm scummy, hahahahahahahaha. Is this an attempt at distancing? Wtf? | ||
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Jimbo is right though, gotta use IP checks or skype. If someone got impersonated it's the other party's fault for not being careful enough. | ||
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On October 19 2011 08:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: One last gem from palmar [16:40] <Palmar> yeah don't worry about it [16:40] <Palmar> I think I have an out [16:42] <Meapak> wow [16:42] <Meapak> I can't beleive you did that [16:42] <Meapak> seriously [16:42] <Meapak> same thing wbg did [16:42] <Palmar> what? [16:42] <Meapak> claimed mafia to me [16:42] <Meapak> were you that sure I was scum? [16:43] <Palmar> yeah [16:43] <Palmar> and we kinda need to co-ordinate kills [16:43] <Palmar> to hit town [16:43] <Meapak> fuck I guess I've played worse than I thought this game [16:43] <Meapak> you're talking to a townie -_- [16:49] <Palmar> anyway, I need to go to sleep. feel free to leave a message about a target just before you die [16:50] <Meapak> lol [16:51] <Meapak> you're so sure I'm scum Gonna switch my vote to him seeing as he's claimed scum. If I claimed scum why didn't you vote me? | ||
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On October 19 2011 11:34 wherebugsgo wrote: What would make him york? nvm this is a dumb question. Hopefully meapak is scum but even if he's not, town is in a good position. | ||
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On October 19 2011 11:54 Jackal58 wrote: Really? Since the odds of me surviving tonight are pretty close to zero Allah Akbar Arctocod. See I do love you. ?? | ||
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2. Kenpachi 3. JimboSilvers 4. 5. Mig (Pardoner) 6. 7. wherebugsgo 8. Scamp 9. sandroba 10. syllogism 11. Radfield (Mayor) 12. hiro protagonist 13. Mr. Wiggles 14. 15. 16. prplhz 17. 18. supersoft 19. 20. 21. 22. GreYMisT 23. 24. heist 25. Foolishness 26. Erandorr 27. JACCUZISPLAT 28. sinani206 Just thought I'd put that in draft order results as opposed to the unordered player list. We can do this. | ||
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On October 21 2011 04:51 prplhz wrote: @scamp there was absolutely no hesitation in your nuke to stop up and say "maybe decon was framed" or "are we to trust kenpachi on this?" i can only see scum benefiting from this. you can always just say "oh yea i thought kenpachi was telling the truth lets lynch him!". your rhetoric serves to justify that you are now killing somebody but that's not your fault, which is good for scum. if you are mafia and you kill someone who you know isn't on your team it's good no matter what. if you're town you need to think twice before doing anything crazy. @radfield this is all pretty cool with supersoft and jacuzzi and sinani. i just don't see why you think that these guys are scum. you are not arguing or anything, where does this come from? you can't have dt checked all of them. say you BB'd sinani, he claimed hider and you found a gun on him. shoot him. where do the rest of the guys slip up? i just don't like lynching without getting any information whatsoever. it's pretty cool that you lynched scum before but i really still think that you need to put forward some information. as half assed as palmar's meapak analysis was there was stuff in there to convince people, i think you're missing that here. @supersoft hider can be pro-town but then you need to hide behind people who do less analysis/work than you do, and you need to tell people that you hid behind them. who did you hide behind and why? who did you tell your hide-behind target? start talking @mig how do i fit wiggles medic target night1? after i told you i tried to pick dreamflower and you told me that you also knew that there was a dreamflower in the game i was virtually guaranteed to be town. why would you shoot me and not lynch me? there were tons of people calling out for my lynch but you decided on node instead. also town had like no kp i'm sure wiggles used his medic powers to protect someone who was likely to be shot by scum, which wasn't me. palmar was town and only he and a couple in rad+mig circle knew about my claim so i probably still appeared scummy to scum, but also to town. they'd hope that town would take care of me instead. i think that last lancaster is a player who appeared a lot more townie and a lot less scummy than i did to everybody day1. this fits jacuzzi, sandroba and kenpachi. kenpachi chose nkvd and that would be crazy for scum unless they have assassin and nothing looks like there's an assassin in this game so i doubt that he is scum. i also think that it fits scamp and to a certain extend wbg. sinani could just be afk but i agree that it's better to have him dead than to have a total null read coming with us further into this game. yeah, you're scum and you need to die. Scamp, nuke super. We can probably lynch this guy. | ||
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On October 21 2011 05:23 supersoft wrote: tbh i lost every interest in this game. i am not scum and hider is a decent defensive role at #18 i can confirm others like eran and i can hide behind guaranteed townies. mig, if you dont answer my pms, i cant do anything. i tried to do something together with palmar. but since genius jackal bombed him away I am completely isolated. + wbg is so annoying, i wont ever play a game with him again. his selfconfidence is just ridiculous when you see his results. if i were scum, this idiot would be dead by now. thats for sure.. maybe not to win, but to have fun in this game. you have like five posts all game rofl Don't go all emotional appeal up in here when you have not had a hand in this game at all. If you actually did you'd know what I've been doing all game. | ||
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On October 21 2011 05:33 supersoft wrote: and btw. i told several people that i am sure that one of you: mig rad syllo sandro is scum. i can even think of mig being scum. why would you ignore me. i also dont know anything about your decisions and thoughts. how can i support you like that. you werent even interested in my nighthidetarget. 1. We already know Erandorr is town 2. One of them is possibly scum but it's not Mig lol 3. Syllo died last night so I don't know why you still list him 4. That leaves Radfield/sandro and you'd know which one is more likely to be scum if you were actually playing this game. | ||
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On October 21 2011 05:58 supersoft wrote: 1) Adjust what you are looking for and spend more time looking for townies. Seeing someone do a traditional analyses and getting a scum lynched would normally almost confirm them as town. At the beginning of this game it means practically nothing. 2) Turtle hardcore. Your words. Thats what I've done. No you haven't. Which townies did you confirm? + Show Spoiler + zero You tell us Palmar is probable town AFTER he dies lol. You spoke no words about him while he was alive. Erandor, we already knew he was probable town. All you're doing now is spreading doubt about Mig and other townies and making a fool of yourself. | ||
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On October 21 2011 06:21 supersoft wrote: wbg. you do zero scumhunting. you only flood the thread with useless comments. the only reason noone accuses you for that, is that everyone knows that you just cannot do it better. Everything you say is a complete lie/misconstruction/fabrication/exaggeration/misrepresentation/whatever lol. The fact that you are doing the exact same thing both meapak and chaoser did when it was apparent they'd die is hilarious. | ||
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On October 21 2011 07:44 supersoft wrote: look what you did in xlv when you were town and got lynched. look what i did in AA. I didn't start appealing to emotions when I got lynched in XLV. Also, I was actually active as town and there were specific reasons for everything I did prior to that. In this game you've done absolutely nothing. You can't even be wrong about reads because you have none. | ||
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##vote sinani206 process of elimination at this point. I'll add some more thoughts later as they come, but I don't think anything else will be necessary. | ||
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you should've been modkilled 2 days in a row -_- | ||
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On September 28 2011 12:22 Protactinium wrote: Player List: 1. 2. 3. GreYMisT 4. sinani206 5.sandroba 6. wherebugsgo 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. heist 13. 14. 15. Radfield (Mayor) 16. JACCUZISPLAT 17. supersoft 18. Mig (Pardoner) 19. 20. hiro protagonist 21. prplhz 22. 23. 24. Kenpachi 25. Erandorr 26. 27. 28. Scamp Replacement List: 1. 14 of 28 players remain ? of ? Commoners remain 1 of 4 Lancastrians remain 2 of 4 Yorkists remain 2 of 4 Tudors remain ? of ? Chezinuites remain 2 of 3 Bodyguards remain What the actual fuck There are still five scum left o_O | ||
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Wtf am I...I don't even | ||
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prplhz, Kenpachi, Errandor, and Scamp have not yet voted and are in danger of being modkilled. If you guys get modkilled this will be incredibly stupid. | ||
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also hider a town role my ass | ||
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On October 22 2011 12:18 Erandorr wrote: that was a close one. thanks for the skype spam, that helped <3 <3 wasn't really spam IMO but lololol ok we can do this. Where the eff is that invention -_- what does Bill Murray even do?!? | ||
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I hope I didn't die but if I died oh well. This game has not needed the thread more or less lololol | ||
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However, I managed to convince sandro I was tudor (rofl) + Show Spoiler + [10/21/2011 8:27:31 PM] wherebugsgo: what? [10/21/2011 8:27:40 PM] sandroba: my plan from day0 [10/21/2011 8:27:45 PM] sandroba: look at mafia roles [10/21/2011 8:27:50 PM] sandroba: and night kills [10/21/2011 8:27:57 PM] sandroba: they have no extra kp [10/21/2011 8:28:13 PM] sandroba: they had to pick defensive to adapt to my plan [10/21/2011 8:34:52 PM] wherebugsgo: sandro [10/21/2011 8:34:54 PM] wherebugsgo: are you scum? [10/21/2011 8:35:23 PM] sandroba: I thought you went over this already? [10/21/2011 8:35:29 PM] wherebugsgo: nah [10/21/2011 8:35:35 PM] sandroba: I'm obviously not scum [10/21/2011 8:35:40 PM] wherebugsgo: really? [10/21/2011 8:35:44 PM] sandroba: real [10/21/2011 8:35:48 PM] wherebugsgo: hmm well [10/21/2011 8:36:01 PM] wherebugsgo: I am scum [10/21/2011 8:36:04 PM] wherebugsgo: and I am shooting you tonight [10/21/2011 8:36:13 PM] sandroba: lol what? [10/21/2011 8:36:22 PM] wherebugsgo: yep [10/21/2011 8:36:31 PM] wherebugsgo: so [10/21/2011 8:36:33 PM] wherebugsgo: if you are scum [10/21/2011 8:36:34 PM] wherebugsgo: and don't want to die [10/21/2011 8:36:44 PM] wherebugsgo: you should work with me [10/21/2011 8:36:46 PM] sandroba: I'm not =/ [10/21/2011 8:36:56 PM] sandroba: you be dead anyway [10/21/2011 8:37:03 PM] wherebugsgo: nah [10/21/2011 8:37:04 PM] wherebugsgo: I won't die [10/21/2011 8:37:25 PM] wherebugsgo: not scared of death this game lol [10/21/2011 8:37:32 PM] sandroba: k give me a link to your qt [10/21/2011 8:37:42 PM] wherebugsgo: I can give you a picture [10/21/2011 8:37:46 PM] wherebugsgo: I shall not give you the QT itself [10/21/2011 8:38:06 PM] wherebugsgo: http://i53.tinypic.com/2qrzhow.jpg [10/21/2011 8:38:44 PM] sandroba: fuck you are scum [10/21/2011 8:38:46 PM] sandroba: me too [10/21/2011 8:38:46 PM] wherebugsgo: LOL [10/21/2011 8:38:47 PM] sandroba: lol [10/21/2011 8:39:05 PM] wherebugsgo: awesome [10/21/2011 8:39:08 PM] wherebugsgo: who are you shooting tonight [10/21/2011 8:39:15 PM] sandroba: I was shooting you lol [10/21/2011 8:39:18 PM] wherebugsgo: ok don't shoot me retard [10/21/2011 8:39:19 PM] sandroba: thinking parity cop [10/21/2011 8:39:34 PM] sandroba: mig wants me dead [10/21/2011 8:39:36 PM] sandroba: anyway [10/21/2011 8:39:39 PM] wherebugsgo: ok no worries [10/21/2011 8:39:45 PM] sandroba: how are you not going to shoot me [10/21/2011 8:39:50 PM] wherebugsgo: I won't [10/21/2011 8:39:57 PM] wherebugsgo: but I will shoot the DF [10/21/2011 8:40:04 PM] wherebugsgo: I think Erandor is the parity cop [10/21/2011 8:40:06 PM] wherebugsgo: Mig told me [10/21/2011 8:40:15 PM] sandroba: makes no sense [10/21/2011 8:40:19 PM] sandroba: if not you [10/21/2011 8:40:22 PM] sandroba: then heist [10/21/2011 8:40:47 PM] wherebugsgo: well [10/21/2011 8:40:50 PM] wherebugsgo: Mig might not trust me [10/21/2011 8:40:58 PM] wherebugsgo: and Palmar said erandor was vig [10/21/2011 8:41:01 PM] wherebugsgo: but he's not dead yet? [10/21/2011 8:41:04 PM] sandroba: errandor is vanilla [10/21/2011 8:41:08 PM] sandroba: he claimed to me [10/21/2011 8:41:11 PM] wherebugsgo: wtf [10/21/2011 8:41:11 PM] sandroba: he tried df [10/21/2011 8:41:14 PM] wherebugsgo: ok [10/21/2011 8:41:18 PM] wherebugsgo: so you think he's confirmed? [10/21/2011 8:41:25 PM] sandroba: yeah [10/21/2011 8:41:28 PM] wherebugsgo: alright [10/21/2011 8:41:32 PM] sandroba: prp is the last lanc [10/21/2011 8:41:35 PM] sandroba: me york [10/21/2011 8:41:38 PM] sandroba: you tudor [10/21/2011 8:41:45 PM] sandroba: it makes sense [10/21/2011 8:41:51 PM] wherebugsgo: ok cool [10/21/2011 8:42:20 PM] sandroba: well who are you shooting then [10/21/2011 8:42:28 PM] wherebugsgo: I will shoot hiro [10/21/2011 8:42:29 PM] sandroba: I assume you have kp then [10/21/2011 8:42:37 PM] sandroba: besides mafia [10/21/2011 8:42:48 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah I do [10/21/2011 8:42:50 PM] wherebugsgo: I'm CPR [10/21/2011 8:42:56 PM] sandroba: cool [10/21/2011 8:43:10 PM] sandroba: lol they let you go unchecked too [10/21/2011 8:43:12 PM] sandroba: rofl [10/21/2011 8:43:13 PM] wherebugsgo: yep lol [10/21/2011 8:43:20 PM] sandroba: k hiro then who else? [10/21/2011 8:43:23 PM] wherebugsgo: ok well [10/21/2011 8:43:27 PM] wherebugsgo: who are you shooting? [10/21/2011 8:43:30 PM] wherebugsgo: you should shoot ken [10/21/2011 8:43:39 PM] wherebugsgo: he's probably inventor [10/21/2011 8:43:43 PM] sandroba: we should shoot hiro/heist/bodyguard [10/21/2011 8:43:47 PM] wherebugsgo: ok [10/21/2011 8:43:51 PM] wherebugsgo: I will shoot both hiro and heist [10/21/2011 8:43:52 PM] sandroba: lol what? [10/21/2011 8:43:55 PM] wherebugsgo: ken [10/21/2011 8:43:57 PM] wherebugsgo: has roleswapper [10/21/2011 8:44:02 PM] wherebugsgo: Mig told me he roleswapped jimbo [10/21/2011 8:44:13 PM] sandroba: he doesnt I think [10/21/2011 8:44:17 PM] wherebugsgo: well [10/21/2011 8:44:21 PM] wherebugsgo: he has roleswap rofl [10/21/2011 8:44:24 PM] wherebugsgo: he could roleswap me [10/21/2011 8:44:26 PM] sandroba: I think the role died with kita [10/21/2011 8:44:35 PM] wherebugsgo: so you think kenpachi is lying?! [10/21/2011 8:44:48 PM] sandroba: I think he is vanilla right now [10/21/2011 8:44:51 PM] sandroba: dunno really [10/21/2011 8:44:55 PM] sandroba: how that works [10/21/2011 8:45:17 PM] sandroba: but yeah maybe kenp has rs hm... [10/21/2011 8:45:26 PM] sandroba: but what we really need to do [10/21/2011 8:45:34 PM] sandroba: is get a way to kill mig/rad [10/21/2011 8:45:42 PM] sandroba: so we need to kill bg asap [10/21/2011 8:45:52 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah [10/21/2011 8:45:58 PM] wherebugsgo: but I have that covered [10/21/2011 8:46:00 PM] wherebugsgo: sinani was BG [10/21/2011 8:46:04 PM] wherebugsgo: we subbed him [10/21/2011 8:46:14 PM] sandroba: we? [10/21/2011 8:46:33 PM] wherebugsgo: sorry super [10/21/2011 8:46:42 PM] sandroba: what? [10/21/2011 8:46:46 PM] wherebugsgo: we subbed super [10/21/2011 8:46:48 PM] wherebugsgo: as a BG [10/21/2011 8:46:50 PM] wherebugsgo: he didn't flip BG [10/21/2011 8:46:54 PM] wherebugsgo: but he was [10/21/2011 8:47:01 PM] sandroba: sinani was bg too [10/21/2011 8:47:09 PM] sandroba: we can kill rad/mig tonight! [10/21/2011 8:47:10 PM] wherebugsgo: are you srs? [10/21/2011 8:47:11 PM] wherebugsgo: LOL [10/21/2011 8:47:13 PM] sandroba: yes [10/21/2011 8:47:17 PM] sandroba: 100% serious [10/21/2011 8:47:25 PM] wherebugsgo: LOLOLOLOL [10/21/2011 8:47:28 PM] wherebugsgo: ok [10/21/2011 8:47:30 PM] wherebugsgo: you shoot Mig [10/21/2011 8:47:32 PM] sandroba: I thought he was getting modkilled [10/21/2011 8:47:35 PM] wherebugsgo: I will shoot heist/Radfield [10/21/2011 8:47:44 PM] sandroba: cool [10/21/2011 8:47:47 PM] sandroba: lolol [10/21/2011 8:47:58 PM] sandroba: man I know I can't win this [10/21/2011 8:48:06 PM] wherebugsgo: it's alright we can do this [10/21/2011 8:48:07 PM] sandroba: as you'll prob kill me tomorrow [10/21/2011 8:48:09 PM] wherebugsgo: they don't suspect me [10/21/2011 8:48:15 PM] wherebugsgo: we need to kill prpl [10/21/2011 8:48:17 PM] wherebugsgo: tomorrow night [10/21/2011 8:48:27 PM] sandroba: well only one of us can win [10/21/2011 8:48:30 PM] wherebugsgo: true [10/21/2011 8:48:30 PM] wherebugsgo: fuck [10/21/2011 8:48:30 PM] sandroba: and you have 2 kp [10/21/2011 8:48:35 PM] sandroba: lol [10/21/2011 8:48:38 PM] wherebugsgo: lol you know what would suck [10/21/2011 8:48:38 PM] sandroba: it's k [10/21/2011 8:48:40 PM] wherebugsgo: if we both die [10/21/2011 8:48:41 PM] wherebugsgo: same night [10/21/2011 8:48:43 PM] wherebugsgo: -_- [10/21/2011 8:48:53 PM] wherebugsgo: but what happens if all town die [10/21/2011 8:48:54 PM] wherebugsgo: and we're left [10/21/2011 8:48:58 PM] sandroba: lets agree right now [10/21/2011 8:49:03 PM] sandroba: not to shoot each other [10/21/2011 8:49:09 PM] sandroba: if u have a way to sure win [10/21/2011 8:49:17 PM] sandroba: and have spare kp to kill me [10/21/2011 8:49:21 PM] sandroba: ofc you kill me [10/21/2011 8:49:25 PM] sandroba: but not before [10/21/2011 8:49:27 PM] sandroba: deal? [10/21/2011 8:49:42 PM] wherebugsgo: ok [10/21/2011 8:49:52 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good [10/21/2011 8:50:11 PM] sandroba: we both try to get just us 2 last [10/21/2011 8:50:28 PM] sandroba: and then host will have to come up with a joint win [10/21/2011 8:50:38 PM] sandroba: or give you victory since you have more kp [10/21/2011 8:50:43 PM] wherebugsgo: hopefully [10/21/2011 8:50:44 PM] wherebugsgo: omg [10/21/2011 8:50:49 PM] wherebugsgo: I thought this setup [10/21/2011 8:50:50 PM] sandroba: I swear I won't shoot you [10/21/2011 8:50:52 PM] wherebugsgo: was designed to avoid kingmaker [10/21/2011 8:51:15 PM] sandroba: k man [10/21/2011 8:51:20 PM] sandroba: tell mig you are shooting me [10/21/2011 8:51:26 PM] sandroba: and we kill him [10/21/2011 8:51:31 PM] wherebugsgo: will do [10/21/2011 8:51:32 PM] sandroba: and rad [10/21/2011 8:51:42 PM] sandroba: I'll shoot mig then [10/21/2011 8:52:19 PM] wherebugsgo: ok sandro definitely 100% scum Mig I'm shooting him tonight I think Erandor might be last scum so you should have DF shoot erandor [10/21/2011 8:52:38 PM] wherebugsgo: no reply :/ [10/21/2011 8:52:49 PM] sandroba: hmm [10/21/2011 8:52:52 PM] wherebugsgo: but w/e [10/21/2011 8:52:55 PM] wherebugsgo: we don't need them rofl [10/21/2011 8:53:07 PM] sandroba: you need to avoid being shot by df [10/21/2011 8:53:10 PM] sandroba: this one night [10/21/2011 8:53:13 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah I know [10/21/2011 8:53:15 PM] wherebugsgo: I convinced them [10/21/2011 8:53:18 PM] wherebugsgo: not to shoot me with DF [10/21/2011 8:53:22 PM] sandroba: I can't win without you =P [10/21/2011 8:53:43 PM] wherebugsgo: however since foolish/jimbo were town [10/21/2011 8:53:43 PM] sandroba: can I tell mig [10/21/2011 8:53:51 PM] sandroba: you told me you will be shooting me [10/21/2011 8:53:53 PM] wherebugsgo: I think I've convinced them to use the DT checks on other people [10/21/2011 8:53:55 PM] sandroba: and complain to him [10/21/2011 8:54:05 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah go for it [10/21/2011 8:54:16 PM] wherebugsgo: he'll think we can't both be scum rofl [10/21/2011 8:55:23 PM] sandroba: man wtf wbg just told me he is shooting me sigh man if you lose this game for us I'll make fun of you forever! =P seriously don't shoot me [10/21/2011 8:55:28 PM] wherebugsgo: LOL [10/21/2011 8:55:31 PM] wherebugsgo: classic [10/21/2011 8:55:47 PM] sandroba: =) [10/21/2011 9:05:33 PM] sandroba: another point [10/21/2011 9:05:44 PM] sandroba: is that if kenp is inventor [10/21/2011 9:05:57 PM] sandroba: he will prob give the invention to one of rad/mig [10/21/2011 9:06:04 PM] wherebugsgo: true [10/21/2011 9:06:11 PM] sandroba: so it will die with them [10/21/2011 9:06:15 PM] wherebugsgo: hahahaha [10/21/2011 9:06:27 PM] sandroba: and we can deal with kenp tomorrow ^^ [10/21/2011 9:06:43 PM] wherebugsgo: maybe I can get him to give me an invention [10/21/2011 9:06:45 PM] wherebugsgo: after they are dead [10/21/2011 9:06:56 PM] sandroba: yeah [10/21/2011 9:07:20 PM] sandroba: we only need 1 more mislynch [10/21/2011 9:07:35 PM] sandroba: we can say we know who has the kp [10/21/2011 9:07:43 PM] sandroba: and push for his lynch [10/21/2011 9:07:46 PM] wherebugsgo: right [10/21/2011 9:08:05 PM] sandroba: fuck [10/21/2011 9:08:08 PM] sandroba: scamp [10/21/2011 9:08:13 PM] sandroba: prp must shoot scamp [10/21/2011 9:08:24 PM] sandroba: nukes might fuck us [10/21/2011 9:09:08 PM] wherebugsgo: hmmm [10/21/2011 9:09:14 PM] wherebugsgo: wait [10/21/2011 9:09:27 PM] wherebugsgo: so I'm shooting heist right [10/21/2011 9:09:31 PM] sandroba: does anyone besides mig/heist/rad know you are cpr? [10/21/2011 9:09:37 PM] wherebugsgo: nope [10/21/2011 9:09:43 PM] wherebugsgo: only Mig/Rad I believe [10/21/2011 9:09:45 PM] sandroba: then we are golden [10/21/2011 9:09:51 PM] wherebugsgo: ok so [10/21/2011 9:09:53 PM] wherebugsgo: here's what we can do [10/21/2011 9:09:58 PM] wherebugsgo: I'll shoot heist and scamp [10/21/2011 9:10:03 PM] wherebugsgo: that should free up Radfield/Mig [10/21/2011 9:10:07 PM] wherebugsgo: you shoot Mig [10/21/2011 9:10:11 PM] wherebugsgo: prpl can shoot Radfield [10/21/2011 9:10:25 PM] wherebugsgo: I want to ensure myself that the BG/nuker are killed [10/21/2011 9:10:34 PM] sandroba: bg are all dead already [10/21/2011 9:10:45 PM] wherebugsgo: wait heist is not bg? [10/21/2011 9:10:51 PM] sandroba: heist must die because he is parity cop [10/21/2011 9:10:54 PM] wherebugsgo: ok [10/21/2011 9:10:56 PM] wherebugsgo: then I'll shoot heist [10/21/2011 9:10:58 PM] sandroba: he checked jacuzzi [10/21/2011 9:11:05 PM] sandroba: and mig checked heist [10/21/2011 9:11:10 PM] wherebugsgo: alright [10/21/2011 9:11:19 PM] wherebugsgo: wtf how do you know this and I don't rofl [10/21/2011 9:11:24 PM] wherebugsgo: ok good anyway [10/21/2011 9:11:36 PM] sandroba: well I have done a lot of deduction work [10/21/2011 9:11:40 PM] wherebugsgo: hahaha [10/21/2011 9:11:41 PM] wherebugsgo: gj [10/21/2011 9:11:44 PM] sandroba: only you/heist could be parity [10/21/2011 9:11:51 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah it's not me [10/21/2011 9:11:52 PM] sandroba: hiro must be df [10/21/2011 9:11:54 PM] wherebugsgo: I killed cheese first night [10/21/2011 9:11:58 PM] wherebugsgo: gave me lots of town cred rfl [10/21/2011 9:12:03 PM] wherebugsgo: then killed foolish [10/21/2011 9:12:16 PM] sandroba: well you just told me you aren't but I didn't know [10/21/2011 9:12:18 PM] sandroba: lol [10/21/2011 9:12:26 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah now you know :D [10/21/2011 9:12:30 PM] sandroba: so now it just leaves heist [10/21/2011 9:12:33 PM] wherebugsgo: ok so [10/21/2011 9:12:37 PM] wherebugsgo: I'll kill heist/scamp [10/21/2011 9:12:41 PM] wherebugsgo: no nukes, no DTs tomorrow [10/21/2011 9:12:46 PM] wherebugsgo: they won't even be able to post their checks [10/21/2011 9:12:48 PM] wherebugsgo: cause they'll be dead [10/21/2011 9:13:03 PM] wherebugsgo: LOL I think we might win [10/21/2011 9:13:10 PM] sandroba: yeah [10/21/2011 9:13:14 PM] sandroba: we have to sell [10/21/2011 9:13:20 PM] sandroba: a hell of a story tomorrow [10/21/2011 9:13:22 PM] wherebugsgo: indeed [10/21/2011 9:13:33 PM] sandroba: we wil work the details [10/21/2011 9:13:39 PM] wherebugsgo: well we have 4 KP going into town [10/21/2011 9:13:56 PM] sandroba: prp will prob die to df though [10/21/2011 9:13:59 PM] wherebugsgo: true [10/21/2011 9:14:05 PM] wherebugsgo: so that leaves me/you and 5 townies [10/21/2011 9:14:14 PM] sandroba: hmm [10/21/2011 9:14:25 PM] sandroba: you could claim df [10/21/2011 9:14:28 PM] sandroba: instead [10/21/2011 9:14:30 PM] wherebugsgo: uhhh [10/21/2011 9:14:33 PM] wherebugsgo: hmmm [10/21/2011 9:14:36 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah and get hiro lynched? [10/21/2011 9:14:37 PM] sandroba: and have town lynch the df claim [10/21/2011 9:14:40 PM] sandroba: yes [10/21/2011 9:14:45 PM] sandroba: then we are golden [10/21/2011 9:14:51 PM] wherebugsgo: yep then 3 KP rol [10/21/2011 9:15:03 PM] sandroba: if we lynch hiro tomorrow [10/21/2011 9:15:08 PM] sandroba: gg [10/21/2011 9:15:19 PM] sandroba: we say he is cpr [10/21/2011 9:15:27 PM] sandroba: I will confirm to know [10/21/2011 9:15:30 PM] wherebugsgo: ok [10/21/2011 9:15:35 PM] wherebugsgo: hahaha I like this plan [10/21/2011 9:15:37 PM] sandroba: we both in circle [10/21/2011 9:15:43 PM] sandroba: vs no people in circle [10/21/2011 9:15:43 PM] sandroba: gg [10/21/2011 9:15:57 PM] sandroba: we are suposed to know that shit [10/21/2011 9:15:59 PM] wherebugsgo: indeed [10/21/2011 9:16:03 PM] wherebugsgo: you'll be best player left [10/21/2011 9:16:09 PM] sandroba: they will never expect mafia allied [10/21/2011 9:16:12 PM] wherebugsgo: me I'm just scummy wtf why would scum shoot me? [10/21/2011 9:16:23 PM] wherebugsgo:  [10/21/2011 9:16:27 PM] sandroba: =) [10/21/2011 9:17:02 PM] sandroba: I'm meapak's bg [10/21/2011 9:17:05 PM] sandroba: thus vanilla [10/21/2011 9:17:07 PM] wherebugsgo: ok I need prpl to reply [10/21/2011 9:17:12 PM] sandroba: mafia has no reason to shoot me [10/21/2011 9:17:20 PM] wherebugsgo: yes [10/21/2011 9:17:39 PM] sandroba: make sure you send the pic [10/21/2011 9:17:41 PM] sandroba: to prove it [10/21/2011 9:17:43 PM] wherebugsgo: k [10/21/2011 9:17:54 PM] wherebugsgo: he is lancaster and you are york? [10/21/2011 9:17:55 PM] wherebugsgo: or other way around [10/21/2011 9:18:00 PM] sandroba: yeah [10/21/2011 9:18:02 PM] sandroba: I'm york [10/21/2011 9:18:03 PM] wherebugsgo: ok [10/21/2011 9:18:17 PM] wherebugsgo: rofl [10/21/2011 9:18:22 PM] wherebugsgo: can't believe prpl fake claimed df [10/21/2011 9:18:24 PM] wherebugsgo: so ballsy [10/21/2011 9:18:36 PM] wherebugsgo: how did you know he's lancaster [10/21/2011 9:19:01 PM] sandroba: trough mig's thing [10/21/2011 9:19:25 PM] sandroba: syllo told cyber town was going to shoot prp [10/21/2011 9:19:42 PM] sandroba: so wiggles didn't protect either chaoser or cyber night 1 [10/21/2011 9:19:47 PM] wherebugsgo: oh so wiggles probably protted prpl [10/21/2011 9:19:48 PM] wherebugsgo: oh shit [10/21/2011 9:19:49 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [10/21/2011 9:19:52 PM] sandroba: yeah [10/21/2011 9:21:01 PM] wherebugsgo: lol so who did you think was tudor before I claimed [10/21/2011 9:21:19 PM] sandroba: either you or kenp [10/21/2011 9:21:27 PM] wherebugsgo: kenpachi as nkvd rofl [10/21/2011 9:21:36 PM] sandroba: well [10/21/2011 9:21:45 PM] sandroba: I though you were parity so... [10/21/2011 9:21:46 PM] sandroba: lol [10/21/2011 9:21:51 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah true I guess lol [10/21/2011 9:22:38 PM] sandroba: man [10/21/2011 9:22:47 PM] sandroba: I'm so excited right now lol [10/21/2011 9:22:50 PM] wherebugsgo: hahaha me too [10/21/2011 9:23:04 PM] sandroba: even if you win and I don't [10/21/2011 9:23:17 PM] sandroba: I'll feel more acomplished [10/21/2011 9:23:20 PM] wherebugsgo: dude [10/21/2011 9:23:25 PM] wherebugsgo: if we pull this off o_I [10/21/2011 9:23:28 PM] sandroba: I fucking helped town a ton this game [10/21/2011 9:23:32 PM] wherebugsgo: same here rofl [10/21/2011 9:23:35 PM] sandroba: and they fucking shoot me in the end [10/21/2011 9:23:40 PM] sandroba: so sad [10/21/2011 9:23:44 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [10/21/2011 9:23:50 PM] wherebugsgo: and you almost shot me -_- [10/21/2011 9:23:52 PM] wherebugsgo: that could've been bad [10/21/2011 9:23:56 PM] sandroba: yeah lol [10/21/2011 9:24:04 PM] sandroba: I had alreaddy sent in the kill [10/21/2011 9:24:09 PM] wherebugsgo: rofl hope you changed [10/21/2011 9:24:18 PM] sandroba: I did already [10/21/2011 9:24:21 PM] sandroba: shooting mig [10/21/2011 9:24:24 PM] wherebugsgo: good good [10/21/2011 9:24:27 PM] wherebugsgo: he needs to die [10/21/2011 9:24:33 PM] wherebugsgo: damn him and rad in office [10/21/2011 9:24:36 PM] wherebugsgo: such a pain in the ass [10/21/2011 9:24:39 PM] sandroba: k wait [10/21/2011 9:24:46 PM] sandroba: why did ss claim hider? [10/21/2011 9:24:51 PM] wherebugsgo: idfk [10/21/2011 9:24:52 PM] sandroba: when he was bg? [10/21/2011 9:24:53 PM] wherebugsgo: he's a retard [10/21/2011 9:24:57 PM] sandroba: rofl [10/21/2011 9:25:02 PM] wherebugsgo: I called him [10/21/2011 9:25:04 PM] sandroba: that means insta mafia [10/21/2011 9:25:04 PM] wherebugsgo: an idiot so many times [10/21/2011 9:25:09 PM] wherebugsgo: he legitimately got pissed at me [10/21/2011 9:25:14 PM] wherebugsgo: and you saw [10/21/2011 9:25:16 PM] wherebugsgo: in thread lol [10/21/2011 9:25:17 PM] wherebugsgo: how mad he was [10/21/2011 9:25:25 PM] wherebugsgo: he wouldn't stop insulting me lolol [10/21/2011 9:25:35 PM] sandroba: man [10/21/2011 9:25:48 PM] wherebugsgo: like why he would claim hider [10/21/2011 9:25:49 PM] wherebugsgo: I have no clue [10/21/2011 9:25:55 PM] wherebugsgo: just so dumb [10/21/2011 9:25:59 PM] sandroba: that makes him 100% mafia [10/21/2011 9:26:04 PM] wherebugsgo: yep [10/21/2011 9:26:07 PM] wherebugsgo: plus he did jack shit all game [10/21/2011 9:26:10 PM] sandroba: because he has a role [10/21/2011 9:26:14 PM] wherebugsgo: so no chance I could save him [10/21/2011 9:26:20 PM] sandroba: and bg's aren't supposed to have a role [10/21/2011 9:26:29 PM] wherebugsgo: yep [10/21/2011 9:26:32 PM] sandroba: =/ [10/21/2011 9:26:33 PM] wherebugsgo: 100% mafia to Radfield [10/21/2011 9:26:35 PM] wherebugsgo: and Mig [10/21/2011 9:26:38 PM] wherebugsgo: as soon as that broke [10/21/2011 9:26:44 PM] wherebugsgo: mostly Rad though he was like wtf? [10/21/2011 9:26:58 PM] sandroba: so dumb... [10/21/2011 9:27:07 PM] sandroba: man I got sinani/node combo on my team [10/21/2011 9:27:10 PM] sandroba: so sad [10/21/2011 9:27:21 PM] sandroba: sinani [10/21/2011 9:27:22 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [10/21/2011 9:27:27 PM] sandroba: didn't even pick a role [10/21/2011 9:27:28 PM] sandroba: or numbers [10/21/2011 9:27:29 PM] wherebugsgo: wtf? [10/21/2011 9:27:32 PM] wherebugsgo: are you serious [10/21/2011 9:27:35 PM] sandroba: yup [10/21/2011 9:27:45 PM] sandroba: and we couldn't submit it for him [10/21/2011 9:27:55 PM] sandroba: and node was supposed to get thief [10/21/2011 9:28:00 PM] sandroba: and instead got america [10/21/2011 9:28:07 PM] sandroba: -_- [10/21/2011 9:28:14 PM] wherebugsgo: wait [10/21/2011 9:28:15 PM] wherebugsgo: what [10/21/2011 9:28:19 PM] wherebugsgo: wtf? [10/21/2011 9:28:28 PM] sandroba: he didn't listen to me/kita [10/21/2011 9:28:33 PM] wherebugsgo: OH [10/21/2011 9:28:37 PM] sandroba: and picked america for luls [10/21/2011 9:28:39 PM] wherebugsgo: I thought he sent for thief and got america intead lol [10/21/2011 9:28:44 PM] sandroba: no lol [10/21/2011 9:28:48 PM] wherebugsgo: died day 1 rofl [10/21/2011 9:28:52 PM] sandroba: yeah [10/21/2011 9:28:54 PM] sandroba: I was like [10/21/2011 9:28:57 PM] wherebugsgo: so close to lynching heist too [10/21/2011 9:29:04 PM] sandroba: NODE FUCKING MAKE SOME POSTS [10/21/2011 9:29:11 PM] sandroba: DON'T SUPPORT GREYMIST [10/21/2011 9:29:13 PM] wherebugsgo: if heist got lynched day 1 o_O [10/21/2011 9:29:47 PM] sandroba: jackal is too good man [10/21/2011 9:29:51 PM] sandroba: take ackbar as town [10/21/2011 9:29:55 PM] wherebugsgo: LOL [10/21/2011 9:29:57 PM] sandroba: and suicide ace claim [10/21/2011 9:29:58 PM] wherebugsgo: then hit palmar [10/21/2011 9:29:58 PM] wherebugsgo: rofl [10/21/2011 9:30:00 PM] sandroba: pro [10/21/2011 9:30:01 PM] wherebugsgo: I laughed so hard [10/21/2011 9:30:06 PM] wherebugsgo: soooo hard [10/21/2011 9:30:07 PM] sandroba: me too [10/21/2011 9:30:14 PM] wherebugsgo: single handedly destroyed town advantage that day [10/21/2011 9:30:24 PM] wherebugsgo: lynch two scum? jackal to the rescue rofl [10/21/2011 9:30:29 PM] sandroba: man [10/21/2011 9:30:36 PM] sandroba: I sold jimbo/fool as mafia [10/21/2011 9:30:38 PM] sandroba: so much [10/21/2011 9:30:44 PM] sandroba: it's not even funny lol [10/21/2011 9:30:55 PM] sandroba: did you guys shoot kita btw? [10/21/2011 9:31:34 PM] wherebugsgo: no [10/21/2011 9:31:38 PM] wherebugsgo: still don't know who shot kita lol [10/21/2011 9:32:00 PM] sandroba: other mafia team then [10/21/2011 9:32:02 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah [10/21/2011 9:32:06 PM] sandroba: town didn't shoot kita [10/21/2011 9:32:16 PM] sandroba: everyone thought he was town [10/21/2011 9:32:18 PM] wherebugsgo: indeed [10/21/2011 9:32:22 PM] wherebugsgo: I thought he was town rofl [10/21/2011 9:32:27 PM] sandroba: =) [10/21/2011 9:32:28 PM] wherebugsgo: he outed me day 1 for using a fake IRC [10/21/2011 9:32:33 PM] wherebugsgo: I was like fuck not so fast [10/21/2011 9:32:41 PM] sandroba: did you really think I was mafia btw [10/21/2011 9:32:46 PM] sandroba: day1/2 [10/21/2011 9:32:47 PM] wherebugsgo: umm [10/21/2011 9:32:49 PM] wherebugsgo: day 1 I was unsure [10/21/2011 9:32:52 PM] wherebugsgo: day 2 I was like uhhh [10/21/2011 9:32:58 PM] wherebugsgo: this guy is 80% scum [10/21/2011 9:33:07 PM] wherebugsgo: or doing something really crazy to stay alive and rape us all day 3 [10/21/2011 9:33:11 PM] sandroba: who did you guys shoot [10/21/2011 9:33:12 PM] sandroba: ytd [10/21/2011 9:33:22 PM] wherebugsgo: we shot jimbo [10/21/2011 9:33:28 PM] wherebugsgo: there's a KP missing [10/21/2011 9:33:31 PM] wherebugsgo: did you shoot jimbo as well? [10/21/2011 9:33:32 PM] sandroba: I shot syllo [10/21/2011 9:33:39 PM] sandroba: someone was prob double stacked [10/21/2011 9:33:41 PM] wherebugsgo: hmm [10/21/2011 9:33:44 PM] wherebugsgo: well it can't have been foolish [10/21/2011 9:33:47 PM] wherebugsgo: because I CPR'd him [10/21/2011 9:33:59 PM] sandroba: either jimbo or syllo then [10/21/2011 9:34:06 PM] wherebugsgo: jimbo/foolish were in my PM circle [10/21/2011 9:34:09 PM] wherebugsgo: chezinu house circle [10/21/2011 9:34:19 PM] wherebugsgo: I roped them in day 0 [10/21/2011 9:34:30 PM] wherebugsgo: found out foolish wanted to lay low [10/21/2011 9:34:32 PM] sandroba: do you know [10/21/2011 9:34:42 PM] sandroba: wtf is up with invention [10/21/2011 9:34:45 PM] wherebugsgo: no [10/21/2011 9:34:47 PM] wherebugsgo: I have no idea what that is [10/21/2011 9:34:51 PM] wherebugsgo: or who has it [10/21/2011 9:35:04 PM] wherebugsgo: I don't think it's Mig [10/21/2011 9:35:10 PM] wherebugsgo: he would've told me if he had it [10/21/2011 9:36:00 PM] sandroba: it's prob fool [10/21/2011 9:36:15 PM] sandroba: because rad didn't know about it either [10/21/2011 9:36:17 PM] wherebugsgo: so you think he died with it? [10/21/2011 9:36:22 PM] sandroba: yeah I do [10/21/2011 9:36:46 PM] sandroba: either way [10/21/2011 9:36:50 PM] sandroba: if he didn't [10/21/2011 9:36:55 PM] sandroba: then we kill whoever has it [10/21/2011 9:36:58 PM] wherebugsgo: I think you might be right [10/21/2011 9:36:58 PM] sandroba: tonight [10/21/2011 9:37:06 PM] wherebugsgo: bc the two players Jimbo thought were town [10/21/2011 9:37:08 PM] wherebugsgo: were me and Foolish [10/21/2011 9:37:13 PM] wherebugsgo: he didn't trust Rad/Mig [10/21/2011 9:37:15 PM] wherebugsgo: well [10/21/2011 9:37:20 PM] wherebugsgo: he didn't trust you/syllo/Rad/Mig [10/21/2011 9:37:33 PM] sandroba: man [10/21/2011 9:37:40 PM] sandroba: so funny if this works [10/21/2011 9:37:45 PM] wherebugsgo: hahaha [10/21/2011 9:37:46 PM] wherebugsgo: indeed [10/21/2011 9:39:55 PM] sandroba: so tomorrow if everything goes right [10/21/2011 9:40:05 PM] sandroba: we will be looking at this player list: [10/21/2011 9:40:13 PM] sandroba: 3. GreYMisT [10/21/2011 9:40:19 PM] sandroba: 5.sandroba [10/21/2011 9:40:25 PM] sandroba: 6. wherebugsgo [10/21/2011 9:40:33 PM] sandroba: 16. JACCUZISPLAT [10/21/2011 9:40:44 PM] sandroba: 20. hiro protagonist [10/21/2011 9:40:51 PM] sandroba: 24. Kenpachi 25. Erandorr [10/21/2011 9:40:59 PM] wherebugsgo: ok [10/21/2011 9:41:03 PM] sandroba: I can convince errandor [10/21/2011 9:41:07 PM] sandroba: to vote with us [10/21/2011 9:41:13 PM] wherebugsgo: so we can push grey/hiro as lynches [10/21/2011 9:41:25 PM] wherebugsgo: possibly ON as well [10/21/2011 9:41:26 PM] sandroba: if hiro dies [10/21/2011 9:41:27 PM] sandroba: we win [10/21/2011 9:41:30 PM] wherebugsgo: yes lol [10/21/2011 9:41:32 PM] sandroba: 100% [10/21/2011 9:41:35 PM] wherebugsgo: let's say [10/21/2011 9:41:46 PM] wherebugsgo: hiro/ON scumteam [10/21/2011 9:42:01 PM] sandroba: now kenpachi thinks I'm scum [10/21/2011 9:42:09 PM] sandroba: no [10/21/2011 9:42:16 PM] sandroba: they have to be independant [10/21/2011 9:42:21 PM] wherebugsgo: wait ken thinks you're scum? [10/21/2011 9:42:31 PM] sandroba: well he voted for me today [10/21/2011 9:42:38 PM] wherebugsgo: ah yes [10/21/2011 9:42:56 PM] sandroba: we only need one more [10/21/2011 9:43:05 PM] sandroba: you have to fake [10/21/2011 9:43:11 PM] sandroba: several skype convos [10/21/2011 9:43:15 PM] sandroba: with mig/rad [10/21/2011 9:43:16 PM] wherebugsgo: k [10/21/2011 9:43:17 PM] sandroba: before had [10/21/2011 9:43:19 PM] wherebugsgo: not too hard [10/21/2011 9:43:23 PM] wherebugsgo: I have a lot of skype convo with them [10/21/2011 9:43:28 PM] sandroba: of you claiming df [10/21/2011 9:43:28 PM] wherebugsgo: I can just edit out messages [10/21/2011 9:43:41 PM] sandroba: and they telling you to shoot prp [10/21/2011 9:43:52 PM] sandroba: you claiming df way back [10/21/2011 9:44:04 PM] wherebugsgo: yup [10/21/2011 9:44:07 PM] wherebugsgo: and I know all the DF hits [10/21/2011 9:44:14 PM] wherebugsgo: chaoser/wiggles/prpl [10/21/2011 9:44:21 PM] wherebugsgo: so that will check out [10/21/2011 9:44:24 PM] sandroba: yeah [10/21/2011 9:44:31 PM] sandroba: you must fake everything beforehand [10/21/2011 9:44:50 PM] sandroba: so if they ask you to post you can do it imidiatly [10/21/2011 9:45:00 PM] wherebugsgo: yep [10/21/2011 9:45:01 PM] sandroba: and we bankk on hiro inactivity [10/21/2011 9:45:04 PM] wherebugsgo: I'll do it now lol [10/21/2011 9:45:05 PM] wherebugsgo: hiro [10/21/2011 9:45:08 PM] wherebugsgo: will not be able to defend himself [10/21/2011 9:45:12 PM] wherebugsgo: he'll show up like 6 hours late [10/21/2011 9:45:13 PM] sandroba: so he will take time [10/21/2011 9:45:15 PM] wherebugsgo: wtf faked logs hiro [10/21/2011 9:45:19 PM] sandroba: and we sell that he faked it [10/21/2011 9:45:24 PM] sandroba: yeah [10/21/2011 9:45:29 PM] wherebugsgo: he'll probably only have 1 page lol [10/21/2011 9:45:40 PM] sandroba: yeah [10/21/2011 9:45:51 PM] sandroba: and prob only pms [10/21/2011 9:45:58 PM] wherebugsgo: hyup [10/21/2011 9:45:59 PM] wherebugsgo: no skype [10/21/2011 9:46:03 PM] sandroba: yeah man [10/21/2011 9:46:06 PM] sandroba: this will work [10/21/2011 9:46:14 PM] sandroba: I confirm everything [10/21/2011 9:46:28 PM] sandroba: they have no way of saying we are both mafia working toghether [10/21/2011 9:46:40 PM] sandroba: since teams are of 1 right now [10/21/2011 9:46:43 PM] wherebugsgo: right [10/21/2011 9:46:48 PM] wherebugsgo: we have to be working independently [10/21/2011 9:46:56 PM] wherebugsgo: and wtf why would a scum confirm another scum? [10/21/2011 9:47:11 PM] sandroba: then when hiros flip town [10/21/2011 9:47:18 PM] sandroba: there is nothing they can do about it [10/21/2011 9:47:23 PM] sandroba: we have 3 kp [10/21/2011 9:47:55 PM] sandroba: and since we have to kill 3 town [10/21/2011 9:48:00 PM] sandroba: the next day [10/21/2011 9:48:09 PM] sandroba: we can't even backstab each other [10/21/2011 9:48:13 PM] wherebugsgo: yup lolol [10/21/2011 9:48:13 PM] sandroba: even if we want to [10/21/2011 9:48:31 PM] sandroba: so we lynch whoever is left the next day and gg [10/21/2011 9:48:57 PM] sandroba: that leaves us both alive and host has to decide [10/21/2011 9:49:08 PM] sandroba: and only joint victory makes sense [10/21/2011 9:52:57 PM] wherebugsgo: yep [10/21/2011 9:53:05 PM] wherebugsgo: can you tell prpl to hit Radfield? [10/21/2011 9:53:07 PM] wherebugsgo: as well [10/21/2011 9:53:09 PM] wherebugsgo: I PMed him [10/21/2011 9:53:18 PM] wherebugsgo: but IMO if we both tell him then that's the only chance he'll do it [10/21/2011 9:53:28 PM] sandroba: sure [10/21/2011 9:53:35 PM] sandroba: I'll pm him right now [10/21/2011 9:53:54 PM] sandroba: if he fucks us over we go down toghether [10/21/2011 9:53:57 PM] wherebugsgo: indeed [10/21/2011 9:54:12 PM] wherebugsgo: if he shoots someone he's not supposed to [10/21/2011 9:54:15 PM] wherebugsgo: I'll be so mad [10/21/2011 9:58:30 PM] sandroba: all bgs are dead. we need to coordinate kills, since town has too many confirmed people. I'm in contact with wbg who is tudor and I'm york myself. We need you to shoot radfield so he doesn't get any more checks in. tomorrow the sky will shine red from mafia supremacy and 4 important townies will be killed. All hail to the unified mafia empire! [10/21/2011 9:58:51 PM] sandroba: roffl [10/21/2011 9:59:12 PM] wherebugsgo: LOL [10/21/2011 9:59:41 PM] sandroba: so inspiring =P [10/21/2011 9:59:44 PM] sandroba: hahaha [10/21/2011 9:59:54 PM] wherebugsgo: lololol [10/21/2011 10:00:12 PM] sandroba: man [10/21/2011 10:00:19 PM] sandroba: if prp is somehow town [10/21/2011 10:00:27 PM] sandroba: and kenp is the last lanc [10/21/2011 10:00:31 PM] wherebugsgo: ugh [10/21/2011 10:00:32 PM] sandroba: we are fucked [10/21/2011 10:00:34 PM] wherebugsgo: indeed [10/21/2011 10:00:39 PM] sandroba: lets hope for the best [10/21/2011 10:00:48 PM] sandroba: I'm pretty confident about this though [10/21/2011 10:01:10 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah same [10/21/2011 10:01:29 PM] sandroba: well [10/21/2011 10:01:37 PM] sandroba: I just saw prp's draft pos [10/21/2011 10:01:42 PM] sandroba: he is 16 [10/21/2011 10:01:59 PM] sandroba: fucking balsy to claim vanilla to have picked df at 16 [10/21/2011 10:02:05 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah indeed [10/21/2011 10:02:07 PM] wherebugsgo: he got SO lucky [10/21/2011 10:02:29 PM] sandroba: shit man [10/21/2011 10:02:37 PM] sandroba: I hope he is mafia [10/21/2011 10:02:38 PM] wherebugsgo: he might just be something else [10/21/2011 10:02:39 PM] sandroba: fuck [10/21/2011 10:02:40 PM] wherebugsgo: like [10/21/2011 10:02:45 PM] wherebugsgo: not even vanilla [10/21/2011 10:02:51 PM] sandroba: maybe rolecop [10/21/2011 10:02:58 PM] sandroba: who checked df? [10/21/2011 10:03:01 PM] wherebugsgo: no one [10/21/2011 10:03:03 PM] sandroba: did he claim day? [10/21/2011 10:03:13 PM] wherebugsgo: ? [10/21/2011 10:03:15 PM] sandroba: day1* [10/21/2011 10:03:17 PM] wherebugsgo: I don't think hiro was ever checked [10/21/2011 10:03:23 PM] wherebugsgo: he claimed to Mig/Radfield probably [10/21/2011 10:03:25 PM] wherebugsgo: so they knew [10/21/2011 10:03:30 PM] wherebugsgo: prpl was below so couldn't be df [10/21/2011 10:03:31 PM] sandroba: day1? [10/21/2011 10:03:34 PM] wherebugsgo: I think so [10/21/2011 10:03:39 PM] sandroba: ugh [10/21/2011 10:03:40 PM] wherebugsgo: bc chaoser got shot [10/21/2011 10:03:41 PM] wherebugsgo: day 1 [10/21/2011 10:03:43 PM] wherebugsgo: err night 1 [10/21/2011 10:03:54 PM] wherebugsgo: right? and only town KP has been DF [10/21/2011 10:04:06 PM] sandroba: k let me look at the numbers [10/21/2011 10:07:05 PM] sandroba: well draft numbers make sense if it's him [10/21/2011 10:07:20 PM] sandroba: well what's done is done let's hope for the best [10/21/2011 10:07:26 PM] wherebugsgo: indeed [10/21/2011 10:07:30 PM] wherebugsgo: just gotta wait now lol [10/21/2011 10:07:45 PM] sandroba: I told sinani to claim mafia in the thread [10/21/2011 10:07:50 PM] sandroba: but ofc [10/21/2011 10:07:55 PM] sandroba: he never apeared [10/21/2011 10:07:57 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [10/21/2011 10:07:59 PM] wherebugsgo: so useless [10/21/2011 10:08:02 PM] sandroba: never showed up [10/21/2011 10:08:07 PM] wherebugsgo: super [10/21/2011 10:08:10 PM] wherebugsgo: was pretty useless too [10/21/2011 10:08:14 PM] wherebugsgo: fucking claims hider [10/21/2011 10:08:23 PM] sandroba: Sandroba 10-21-2011 06:57 PM ET (US) Edit Delete sinani if you read this claim mafia in thread and ask for qts in pms as proof of being mafia. [10/21/2011 10:08:42 PM] sandroba: never answered =/ [10/21/2011 10:08:46 PM] wherebugsgo: rofl [10/21/2011 10:09:14 PM] sandroba: man why couldn't you be on my team [10/21/2011 10:09:16 PM] sandroba: lol [10/21/2011 10:09:26 PM] sandroba: instead of sinani/node [10/21/2011 10:09:30 PM] wherebugsgo: I think the same [10/21/2011 10:09:33 PM] wherebugsgo: super -_- [10/21/2011 10:09:36 PM] wherebugsgo: decon scummy day 1 [10/21/2011 10:09:56 PM] wherebugsgo: meapak picks BG and deals with Jimbo (a townie!!) for inventor [10/21/2011 10:09:58 PM] sandroba: sorry for outing meapak [10/21/2011 10:10:00 PM] wherebugsgo: *RS [10/21/2011 10:10:03 PM] wherebugsgo: nah it's fine [10/21/2011 10:10:06 PM] wherebugsgo: he's just a total dumbass [10/21/2011 10:10:10 PM] wherebugsgo: he picked RS instead of NRA [10/21/2011 10:10:10 PM] sandroba: rad was going to check sinani [10/21/2011 10:10:22 PM] sandroba: so I had to point him somewhere else [10/21/2011 10:10:23 PM] wherebugsgo: such a moron [10/21/2011 10:10:38 PM] wherebugsgo: RS instead of NRA, gives inventor to Jimbo who is townie kav [10/21/2011 10:10:40 PM] wherebugsgo: like wtf [10/21/2011 10:10:43 PM] wherebugsgo: if I wasn't in that circle [10/21/2011 10:10:46 PM] sandroba: rofl [10/21/2011 10:10:47 PM] wherebugsgo: of jimbo/foolish [10/21/2011 10:10:50 PM] wherebugsgo: we would've been fucked [10/21/2011 10:10:50 PM] sandroba: jimbo so dumb [10/21/2011 10:10:55 PM] sandroba: he basically told me [10/21/2011 10:11:01 PM] sandroba: he would take inventor [10/21/2011 10:11:04 PM] sandroba: before day1 [10/21/2011 10:11:07 PM] wherebugsgo: lolll [10/21/2011 10:11:09 PM] wherebugsgo: wow [10/21/2011 10:11:26 PM] sandroba: so I had to push him and meapak as a team [10/21/2011 10:11:43 PM] sandroba: when meapak told me [10/21/2011 10:11:50 PM] sandroba: he gave the role to someone else [10/21/2011 10:11:56 PM] sandroba: I conected the dots [10/21/2011 10:12:17 PM] sandroba: of how jimbo was saying shit about inventor when he was pick 3 [10/21/2011 10:12:24 PM] wherebugsgo: rofl [10/21/2011 10:13:01 PM] sandroba: syllo really fucked me though [10/21/2011 10:13:09 PM] sandroba: I couldn't keep my townie act [10/21/2011 10:13:13 PM] wherebugsgo: hmm [10/21/2011 10:13:17 PM] sandroba: without supporting those guys [10/21/2011 10:13:18 PM] wherebugsgo: lol that shit day 1 [10/21/2011 10:13:19 PM] wherebugsgo: I was like [10/21/2011 10:13:20 PM] wherebugsgo: fuck you guys [10/21/2011 10:13:23 PM] wherebugsgo: if you're both town [10/21/2011 10:13:27 PM] sandroba: rofl [10/21/2011 10:13:31 PM] wherebugsgo: so I stayed the hell away from you and syllo [10/21/2011 10:13:33 PM] sandroba: weell [10/21/2011 10:13:33 PM] wherebugsgo: as long as possible [10/21/2011 10:13:37 PM] sandroba: If I was town [10/21/2011 10:13:44 PM] sandroba: I would believe it either way [10/21/2011 10:13:48 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah [10/21/2011 10:13:48 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [10/21/2011 10:13:50 PM] sandroba: and he knew it [10/21/2011 10:13:54 PM] sandroba: so I had to =/ [10/21/2011 10:14:34 PM] sandroba: and I was in such a good pos to run for mayor beforehand [10/21/2011 10:14:36 PM] sandroba: sigh [10/21/2011 10:16:32 PM] sandroba: I'll tell the hosts to update the bg thing [10/21/2011 10:16:53 PM] sandroba: because otherwise mafia has to work toghether to know both bgs are dead [10/21/2011 10:17:08 PM] wherebugsgo: ok [10/21/2011 10:17:09 PM] wherebugsgo: PM [10/21/2011 10:17:14 PM] sandroba: just did [10/21/2011 10:17:25 PM] wherebugsgo: I wonder if they'll change it [10/21/2011 10:17:30 PM] wherebugsgo: I actually hope not [10/21/2011 10:17:37 PM] wherebugsgo: bc then town will think [10/21/2011 10:17:39 PM] wherebugsgo: that they are safe [10/21/2011 10:17:43 PM] sandroba: that will fuck us [10/21/2011 10:17:48 PM] sandroba: if town is smart though [10/21/2011 10:18:02 PM] wherebugsgo: wait no [10/21/2011 10:18:04 PM] wherebugsgo: don't tell them [10/21/2011 10:18:06 PM] wherebugsgo: oh wait [10/21/2011 10:18:08 PM] wherebugsgo: you sent [10/21/2011 10:18:09 PM] wherebugsgo: hmm [10/21/2011 10:18:14 PM] wherebugsgo: I think it might be worse if town knows [10/21/2011 10:18:17 PM] wherebugsgo: all BGs dead [10/21/2011 10:18:28 PM] sandroba: well [10/21/2011 10:18:32 PM] wherebugsgo: before it happens [10/21/2011 10:18:44 PM] sandroba: we can't explain kills [10/21/2011 10:18:56 PM] sandroba: if mafia is acting independently otherwise [10/21/2011 10:19:03 PM] wherebugsgo: right [10/21/2011 10:19:21 PM] sandroba: I hope they do it late [10/21/2011 10:19:26 PM] sandroba: and don't announce [10/21/2011 10:19:27 PM] wherebugsgo: same lol [10/21/2011 10:19:37 PM] wherebugsgo: they're hopefully all sleeping [10/21/2011 10:19:38 PM] sandroba: they just change that shit [10/21/2011 10:19:52 PM] sandroba: tomorrow I have a bbq [10/21/2011 10:19:58 PM] sandroba: won't be able to do shit [10/21/2011 10:20:04 PM] wherebugsgo: damn [10/21/2011 10:20:05 PM] wherebugsgo: k [10/21/2011 10:20:09 PM] wherebugsgo: I'll be here probably [10/21/2011 10:20:25 PM] sandroba: I'll get here before the daypost [10/21/2011 10:21:23 PM] wherebugsgo: ok good [12:40:20 AM] sandroba: hey [12:40:34 AM] sandroba: gj job on fooling me [12:40:36 AM] sandroba: =P [12:40:38 AM] wherebugsgo: ? [12:40:51 AM] sandroba: well ss was not bodyguard [12:40:58 AM] wherebugsgo: yeah he was [12:41:30 AM] sandroba: then you better talk to protactinum =/ [12:41:34 AM] wherebugsgo: hold on [12:41:43 AM] wherebugsgo: wtf [12:41:46 AM] wherebugsgo: why is sinani [12:41:47 AM] wherebugsgo: listed as BG [12:41:50 AM] wherebugsgo: WTF? [12:42:09 AM] wherebugsgo: yeah I'll PM him [12:45:08 AM] wherebugsgo: ok I've sent ver a PM [12:45:34 AM] wherebugsgo: did prpl reply to you? [12:45:36 AM] wherebugsgo: cause he never replied to me [12:46:14 AM] wherebugsgo: it doesn't make sense [12:46:19 AM] wherebugsgo: why sinani is listed as BG but not super [12:46:23 AM] wherebugsgo: :/ [12:46:26 AM] wherebugsgo: and it should be 0 [12:46:27 AM] wherebugsgo: fuck wtf [12:46:49 AM] wherebugsgo: it's like the chezinu shit all over again [12:46:54 AM] sandroba: =( [12:46:58 AM] sandroba: man [12:47:08 AM] sandroba: are you sure ss got subbed in? [12:47:10 AM] wherebugsgo: yes [12:47:23 AM] wherebugsgo: I didn't send it in but meapak did [12:47:25 AM] sandroba: then this must be an overlook by the host [12:47:29 AM] wherebugsgo: agreed [12:47:32 AM] wherebugsgo: I PMed ver [12:47:40 AM] sandroba: pm protactinum [12:47:44 AM] wherebugsgo: yep [12:47:48 AM] wherebugsgo: also PMed incog [12:47:58 AM] sandroba: are you sure meapak sent it? [12:48:03 AM] wherebugsgo: yes [12:48:19 AM] wherebugsgo: he told us all he sent it in our IRC [12:48:32 AM] sandroba: From: Protactinium [ 349 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Bodyguards Date: 10/22/11 14:23 Mig is still protected by bodyguards, so that shot would be invalid. Original Message From sandroba: Change of plans. Shoot Mig. Show nested quote + [12:48:53 AM] sandroba: TT [12:49:09 AM] wherebugsgo: wtf? [12:49:29 AM] sandroba: well we have to wait and see [12:49:47 AM] sandroba: and we have to ask meapak [12:49:59 AM] sandroba: if he has a copy of the pm he sent incog [12:50:25 AM] wherebugsgo: yeah I will [12:51:53 AM] wherebugsgo: ok so [12:51:56 AM] wherebugsgo: if Ver responds to me [12:52:04 AM] wherebugsgo: and tells me that the BG has not been switched [12:52:15 AM] wherebugsgo: then I will switch my hit to Erandor [12:52:21 AM] wherebugsgo: who is probably the last BG [12:54:37 AM] sandroba: yeah [12:54:43 AM] sandroba: we are fucked anyway [12:54:49 AM] sandroba: you better hit me if they tell you to [12:54:59 AM] sandroba: only chance you have [12:55:01 AM] wherebugsgo: wait [12:55:05 AM] wherebugsgo: you mean if they tell me to kill you? [12:55:07 AM] wherebugsgo: like mig [12:55:37 AM] wherebugsgo: fuck man [12:55:42 AM] sandroba: well if we can't kill them tonight [12:55:42 AM] sandroba: how are you going to explain [12:55:43 AM] sandroba: me not being dead [12:55:43 AM] wherebugsgo: if I kill you then how the hell do I survive [12:55:49 AM] wherebugsgo: they're going to DT check me [12:55:51 AM] wherebugsgo: fuck [12:55:54 AM] wherebugsgo: this plan hinges [12:55:57 AM] wherebugsgo: on all the fucking DTs dying [12:56:01 AM] sandroba: yeah [12:56:13 AM] sandroba: but we cant kill them unless bgs are dead [12:56:17 AM] sandroba: unfortunately [12:56:17 AM] wherebugsgo: omfg [12:56:19 AM] wherebugsgo: fuck meapak [12:56:19 AM] wherebugsgo: fuck ver [12:56:21 AM] wherebugsgo: -_- [12:56:25 AM] sandroba: rofl [12:56:38 AM] sandroba: let's wait for the response first [12:56:42 AM] sandroba: then worry about it [12:56:45 AM] wherebugsgo: he's probably asleep [12:56:51 AM] wherebugsgo: it's like 4 am ET [12:56:56 AM] sandroba: yeah [12:57:01 AM] sandroba: it's 6 am here [12:57:36 AM] wherebugsgo: mmm [12:57:41 AM] wherebugsgo: alright I'm gonna go to sleep [12:57:53 AM] wherebugsgo: I'll be back in the morning and hopefully we'll be good by then [12:58:02 AM] sandroba: I'll check up on this tomorrow [12:58:05 AM] wherebugsgo: ok sounds good [12:58:10 AM] wherebugsgo: before daypost? [12:58:11 AM] sandroba: b4 leaving for the party [12:58:17 AM] sandroba: yeah [12:58:20 AM] wherebugsgo: ok sounds good [12:58:32 AM] sandroba: I'm off to bed man [12:58:37 AM] wherebugsgo: the only vanilla left that can be Mig's BG is Erandor [12:58:48 AM] wherebugsgo: so if one of us shoots him we can still potentially do this [12:58:53 AM] sandroba: I had errandor as bg before [12:58:56 AM] sandroba: so yeah [12:59:00 AM] wherebugsgo: yep [12:59:07 AM] wherebugsgo: alright [12:59:08 AM] sandroba: gnight man [12:59:09 AM] wherebugsgo: gn [2:33:57 PM] wherebugsgo: sandro [2:34:01 PM] wherebugsgo: prpl might not be lancaster [2:34:06 PM] wherebugsgo: he sold us out to Mig [8:55:22 PM] sandroba: yo [8:57:28 PM] wherebugsgo: yo [8:57:41 PM] sandroba: you town [8:57:44 PM] wherebugsgo: rofl [8:57:44 PM] wherebugsgo: yep [8:57:48 PM] sandroba: that pic was really good [8:57:51 PM] wherebugsgo: did you shoot me? [8:57:55 PM] sandroba: nope [8:57:57 PM] wherebugsgo: hmmm [8:58:00 PM] wherebugsgo: prpl probably then [8:58:00 PM] wherebugsgo: shot me [8:58:06 PM] wherebugsgo: I almost claimed tudor to him too [8:58:28 PM] sandroba: where did you get that? [8:59:01 PM] wherebugsgo: I faked it [8:59:04 PM] wherebugsgo: took chezinu QT [8:59:10 PM] wherebugsgo: and replaced Chezinu House [8:59:12 PM] wherebugsgo: with Tudor Family [8:59:14 PM] wherebugsgo: or w/e Hilarious log. Radfield convinces sandro he's town in LoTR, I convince sandro I'm scum in this game. Kudos to Jimbo on the lancaster infiltration (I LOLed at that one in RL for a good five minutes) And again sorry foolish for shooting you lol. Mig and Radfield were convinced (thanks to fuckin sandro) that you were scum. I knew something was wrong and it was probably because I had very little sandro influence. However, if I really had no better targets that night; I could've shot sandro I guess, but Radfield and Mig were strongly urging against that because (particularly Radfield) they thought he was town. Radfield was rather upset because someone in his trust circle was scum by the time we were at 9v5. Chezinu QT http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/gEcqQt3NWPvf I fakeclaimed Tudor to both Wiggles and Sandro. I told wiggles not to shoot scamp (so I think it worked? lol) We couldn't for the life of us figure out who wiggles was protting. Chaoser and cheese both died and we were like who is more important than them to have not been protted? So we thought prpl was that last lancaster but turns out he was actually a tudor. Thank god I didn't actually claim tudor to him. (thought about york though) gg all lololol | ||
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Chezinu QT is full of Chezinu House infiltrating scum/snooping around. Sympathetic=Jimbo TSM=me (hahahaha wiggles) QQ and whatever other names in there=Foolish post I provided above gives me fake claiming tudor to sandro, sent him the same image of my QT I sent to wiggles the night before PM I sent to Wiggles: sorry, I've been at class, but here's what you asked for: ![[image loading]](http://i53.tinypic.com/2qrzhow.jpg) in addition, here's a convo I had with decon ysterday: [16:30] <decon> sup [16:30] <wherebugsgo> yo [16:31] <decon> so what do you want to do? [16:31] <decon> too many mafia dead too early [16:31] <wherebugsgo> yeah I know [16:31] <wherebugsgo> hence I want to think of some way to coordinate [16:31] <wherebugsgo> without giving anything away [16:32] <decon> do you know anyone on the other teams? [16:33] <wherebugsgo> no I do not [16:33] <wherebugsgo> yesterday was incredibly hectic [16:33] <decon> YEAH [16:33] <wherebugsgo> I knew chaoser was getting shot at night [16:33] <decon> caps sry [16:33] <decon> who shot him? [16:33] <wherebugsgo> whoever has the dreamflower role [16:34] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea who has it, but I know Radfield ordered it [16:34] <decon> it might be prpl [16:34] <wherebugsgo> didn't prp claim vanilla though as soon as the roles were out or something? [16:34] <decon> he claimed to have gone for it and got vanilla [16:34] <decon> but I think it could be a bluff [16:34] <decon> there's something off about him anyway [16:34] <wherebugsgo> hmmm [16:34] <wherebugsgo> my thoughts were that he was a bodyguard [16:35] <decon> hmm [16:35] <decon> maybe [16:35] <wherebugsgo> for mayor [16:35] <decon> he might be town then [16:36] <wherebugsgo> I tlaked with meapak yesterday [16:36] <wherebugsgo> couldn't figure it out though [16:37] <wherebugsgo> apparently a lot of people already know that meapak is RS [16:37] <decon> hmm [16:37] <wherebugsgo> by a lot of people I mean the Radfield group [16:38] <decon> so do they know Jimbo is inventor? [16:38] <wherebugsgo> or at least that's who I assume [16:38] <wherebugsgo> yes I think [16:38] <decon> he's massively scummy [16:38] <decon> [16:38] <wherebugsgo> Radfield says that he knows who has it, and is sure that person is town [16:38] <wherebugsgo> he also knows why they refused to invent anything last night [16:38] <decon> I'd be in such a good position if fcking kenpachi hadn't decided to check me [16:38] <decon> why me ffs [16:39] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea [16:39] <wherebugsgo> it's Kenpachi [16:39] <wherebugsgo> anything he does is lol [16:39] <decon> ye [16:39] <decon> meh [16:39] <decon> at least we can get somethign done today before I die [16:39] <decon> ok [16:39] <wherebugsgo> yes [16:39] <decon> I think you aren't getting hit tonight [16:40] <decon> so give 3 suggested targets [16:40] <decon> and I suppose we can work around that [16:42] <wherebugsgo> hit one of syllogism sandroba prphlz [16:42] <decon> kk [16:42] <wherebugsgo> roleblock jimbo I'm thinking [16:42] <wherebugsgo> btw I'm cooking food so I may disappear for a few minutes at a time randomly [16:42] <decon> np [16:43] <wherebugsgo> do we have someone that has close ties with the Radfield group? [16:43] <decon> idk [16:43] <decon> why? [16:44] <wherebugsgo> well I have no idea what's going on with them [16:44] <wherebugsgo> most of them flat out refuse to talk to me [16:44] <decon> ye same here [16:44] <decon> [16:44] <decon> I have a feeling [16:44] <decon> that entire group is town [16:44] <decon> blah [16:44] <wherebugsgo> ugh seriously? [16:44] <decon> ye [16:44] <decon> maybe a york then [16:45] <decon> but mig radfield sandro syllo [16:46] <decon> ye but anyway you're so scummy [16:46] <wherebugsgo> yeah I know [16:46] <wherebugsgo> my luck has been bad this game [16:46] <decon> I'd say [16:46] <decon> trying to get I dunno [16:46] <wherebugsgo> like how I'm vanilla -_- [16:46] <decon> prpl or greymist lynched [16:47] <decon> would be a good plan [16:47] <decon> ... [16:47] <wherebugsgo> prpl I don't think would fly [16:47] <wherebugsgo> cause of the DF thing [16:48] <decon> so what about greymist? [16:48] <wherebugsgo> yeah I think that could work but I wouldn't be able to push that [16:49] <decon> ye I agree but him going for mayor [16:49] <wherebugsgo> yeah I know [16:49] <wherebugsgo> it's just that I called him town and I was the strongest push for him to be mayor...would make me look bad [16:49] <wherebugsgo> but idk [16:54] <decon> right I've got to go [16:54] <decon> if you need anything useful [16:54] <decon> or if I can do anything for you [16:54] <decon> send me a pm [16:55] <decon> I'll pop back on irc sometime tomorrow as well [16:55] <decon> gnight [17:01] <wherebugsgo> night [17:01] == No such nick: decon We're hitting sandroba tonight. We assume he has some sort of DT/KP role and is acting scummy so he's not getting shot. I was in contact with chaoser yesterday but I'm rather glad he died because he was a huge liability and massively scummy. We would like you to hit Jimbo if possible. He's the inventor and I have reason to believe he's inventing something very pro-town tonight (probably a list check) and I also believe he's town. I've been manipulating him through PMs for a while but he's just too much of a liability now. If this isn't possible let me know. It'd also be great if we could discuss on IRC. I can provide you IP, channel, and password details and whatnot so we are ensured a private conversation. Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: Hi, This sounds interesting, but I'll need more proof that you're scum than your house. Link me a screenshot of your quicktopic with the time-stamps visible and relevant or sensitive information blacked out. This will prove to me that you're scum, and give me insurance that you're not as likely to want to screw me over later in the game. Arctocod sent me a similar PM yesterday, but refused to provide proof, so I turned him in. Now he's exploded, because he was silly town. It ends up depending on your read on me, because as town or scum, I want proof that you're really scum. Anyways, assuming you are scum, who are you planning on hitting tonight? Have you already been in contact with another family? Hide nested quote - Original Message From wherebugsgo: Hey wiggles, I notice you haven't really done much this game. I notice this because I haven't really done much myself either. Indeed, I'm actually pretty obvious scum in the thread. However, so are you. As you can see and have probably already felt already, the mafia families are hurting. We're all each down to 2 members each. Thus, I think it's necessary that we work together to whittle down the town a little bit so that we don't have a hard road ahead of us. I realize we all have our own wincons, but we can be mutually helpful for at least this night phase. We need to coordinate. I am a Tudor. I will reveal more information to you if and when I know I have your cooperation. Some of this may be confusing, and that's okay. I will do my very best to reply to you promptly with answers for any questions you might have. I look forward to working together. | ||
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On October 23 2011 13:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Well that was a very interesting game, thank you host. Wiggles healed ken night 1 we had a plan to essentially (ab)use puppeteer all game, it was shaping up to be really awesome The irc thing catching both me and chaoser because i didnt check IP's >_> Could have just used a second irc account, not claimed and basically been a puppeteer IMO people should be forced to truthfully reveal who they are in PM games rofl nahhh that IRC fake was one of the funniest things ever scum's fault for not IP checking IMO. Or, use skype. Real easy fix. EDIT: Also Jimbo deserves a LOT of credit for that. He had balls of steel. He felt bad about how people were reacting too, so he backed off once it got into the thread. But seriously, that catch was insane good. Sad some scum shot him n2  (and sorry again foolish rofl) | ||
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I can point out at least half of the scum players who did literally nothing to save their own asses. They were so scummy it would've been a miracle if they didn't die. Good examples of those players are: you, decon, meapak, node, supersoft, wiggles prpl got incredibly lucky on a DF claim, if he had gotten unlucky he would've died. If he hadn't been so lucky he'd be in that list. I didn't include sinani in that list cause he's always incredibly useless Kenpachi sold out another scum but he didn't do much of anything else either (working against time there) Cheese getting found out was almost entirely due to Jimbo's fake, but I'm not so sure he would've looked very good by n2 anyway finally we have sandro and kita, who both played pretty well. Kita I thought was town n1 and then I loled when scum accidentally shot him. Really unknown how he would've done since he died so early, but I would probably not have suspected him for a while if he kept that up. Sandro did well to fool Radfield/syllo but honestly toward endgame it was apparent he was scum. So when 10 out of 12 scum did almost nothing to appear town how is that a fault of the game's mechanics? You guys could've taken advantage of players like Erandor, Palmar, Jackal, myself, and Foolish, but you all chose to be complacent and you got raped from every side by the massive amounts of town KP and detection. EDIT: Also some of the scum role selections were really strange. Meapak choosing rockstar instead of NRA (if he's not going to go for inventor) really boggled the crap out of me. How on earth is RS better than NRA? He died day 2 anyway, so it certainly didn't do any good for him. | ||
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On October 23 2011 13:44 chaoser wrote: How was I complacent? I was under intense pressure for not being active enough, due to something that came out of left field for me, and still managed to get off from the day one lynch. Jimbo's faking Cyber was what put the final nail in my coffin. Even when you and Foolishness were trying to get me to join your fake little family I knew shit was up cause of your horrible excuses. "We can't change the kill order, I don't know Foolishness, he's not part of my family, etc. etc." I ended up "outting" you to radfield and tried to play it off as me trying to dictate your kills so I could protect it as medic. At that point though the Jimbo thing already happened so tough luck there I guess. Where in that was I complacent? you really did nothing to appear town lol. Foolish, myself, and Jimbo had just started getting into the scum business that day, plus I was trying to keep myself alive. That's probably why I seemed scummy (it was almost intentional) You were complacent for a while, then when the pressure built up you freaked out and leaked scumtells everywhere. Your defense was really bad. The guilt trips were giving us uncertainty but we figured you were the best DF shot anyway. Once Jimbo faked as you and confirmed cheese was your buddy I shot cheese and you both were dead before you could do anything. IMO any time someone uses RL excuses as to why they are scummy, I get very suspicious. They might be true, but honestly that's not what this game is about. | ||
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On October 23 2011 13:46 chaoser wrote: Don't try to sugar coat over the fact that people DID breadcrumb PMs when mafia weren't given the townie PMs unless you asked and that bullshit things like "I'm 100% town card only in this game though!" were played among players that had played very closely with each other, making it almost impossible to say no to it. Take that up with syllo. AFAIK he's the only one who did it, and if you don't remember, I was certainly really pissed about it. Syllo called me unhelpful day 0 because I called out the shit logic sandroba was using to vote Mig. It was really annoying for me that day because I disagreed with the method syllo used to confirm himself as town to sandroba. AFAIK that's the only possibly questionable thing that happened. I don't know where you're getting this breadcrumbing of PMs business from. | ||
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On October 23 2011 13:55 chaoser wrote: Your case against me was literally "Chaoser is not active enough, chaoser isn't being very strong in pushing his stances, he made a bad case against Dropbear, he contradicted himself with the supporting radfield/not supporting radfield" which is 100% NOT my scum play at all and 100% my I'm busy play. If you're going to lynch me off that then I might as well never play mafia during the school year as I WILL be busy at times. How the fuck do I defend against that besides pointing out the shitty logic there? I even ended up hunting out three scum that everyone in the town circle at the time didn't even suspect. Prp, Sandroba, dec The fact that you pushed dropbear as the lynch target threw off so many alarm bells to me. The number 1 scum day 0 was decon. Radfield and I discussed why his meta made him scum (he blindly accepted the plans, whereas in a previous PYP game as town he boldly just said fuck the plan I'm doing what I want) and also how his first 2 posts in the game established him as scum pretty much. I actually wanted the mayoral candidate to lynch him day 0. Then, you came along and made a "case" on dropbear which screamed scum to me (and Mig, IIRC; we talked about it). This began with Dropbear's scum proposal. I hinted, "Did DB just straight up scumclaim?" to see if I could get any scum to take the bait and open fire, figuratively speaking, on DB. I had a strong town read on DB, though his role pick was dumb. So, I PMed him for confirmation, establishing him as town and making a plan with him to kill scum. When you came in and made the case on him, since I already thought you were scummy, you elevated yourself even further. Then, when I pressured you, you started going nuts. The constant barrage of emotional appeals was almost too much to handle lol (me and Mig felt really bad) My logic wasn't shitty; it was completely based on your meta (you don't push bad townies for lynch when you are a townie) the fact that you were touting your scumhunting skills when you were letting players like prpl and decon just slide by, the fact that you were a terrible mayoral candidate, the fact that you contradicted yourself on Radfield, and the fact that you acted incredibly weird when I pointed out your contradiction on Radfield. Those were the main things. prpl acted really weird day 0 to my pressure as well. If it wasn't for Jimbo finding out about cheese and Mig telling me prpl tried for DF, prpl was going to be my hit night 1. Instead when Jimbo infiltrated you guys I shot cheese instead. EDIT: I'm dumb | ||
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This game revolves around what other people think of you. Regardless, you might think my logic was bad but you haven't actually pointed out why it was. I thought you were scum based on a couple of behavioral contradictions, your tendency to appeal to emotions, and the dissonance with respect to your meta. All that matters is that most other people thought you were scum. Really nothing to say here except IMO mafia played badly. | ||
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On October 23 2011 14:14 Ace wrote: appeal to emotion isn't a scum tell though. I think it can be. Every scum who was about to get lynched this game did it. super, meapak, chaoser. Prpl did it in PMs when it was apparent he was going to get shot. EDIT: I should clarify that IMO it can be a good tell with respect to other tells. I don't think there's any one thing scum do all the time or town do all the time, and to think like that would be dumb. | ||
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On October 23 2011 14:21 Ace wrote: Scum do it. Townies do it to. It's not easy to tell which side does it more than the other. Just that anyone trying to convince you of something is going to use it, even unintentionally some of the time. I guess if used in conjunction with other tells it works. I've never used it as a basis for picking whether someone is Scum/Town since new players are especially prone to making outrageous emotionally charged posts. Yeah this is one thing I keep in mind. When a player like chaoser or super does it, it gives me weird feelings because they are more experienced and I don't expect that from them. prpl did it day0 but I was left uncertain because prpl always is, to some degree, scummy, regardless of alignment. He is, also, more inexperienced than chaoser and other players in this game who did similar things (or at least I think he is) I used emotional appeal in conjunction with two other big things to pin chaoser: his badly constructed case on a townie, Dropbear, and his self contradiction with respect to whom he would vote for on day 0 for mayor (he said he would vote for sandro or radfield but then later switched to Mig instead of voting Radfield. When he got pissed at Mig he randomly switched back to Radfield) | ||
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On October 23 2011 14:38 Protactinium wrote: Role List: + Show Spoiler + 1. Meapak_Ziphh (Tudor) [6][12] --> Rock Star 2. Kenpachi (Lancaster) [7][3] --> NKVD Agent 3. JimboSilvers [8][8] --> Inventor 4. deconduo (Tudor) [10][5] --> Bulletproof 5. Mig [13][3] --> Detective 6. Cyber_Cheese (Lancaster) [14][4] --> Godfather 7. wherebugsgo [16][20] --> CPR Doctor 8. Scamp [20][20] --> Copycat 9. Sandroba (York) [11][1] --> Godfather--> Vanilla Bodyguard for Meapak_Ziphh 10. syllogism [11][1] --> NKVD Agent --> Vanilla 11. Radfield [15][1] --> Bullet Bill 12. hiro protagonist [15][2] --> Dreamflower 13. Mr. Wiggles (Lancaster) [17][1] --> Medic 14. DropBear [17][3] --> Bomber Man 15. bumatlarge [2][16] --> Bullet Bill --> Vanilla Bodyguard for Radfield 16. prplhz (Tudor) [2][1] --> Bomber Man --> Vanilla 17. Node (York) [2][1] --> America 18. supersoft (Tudor) [4][3] --> Hider 19. chaoser (Lancaster) [4][5] --> Puppeteer 20. Arctocod [4][9] --> Ace 21. Jackal58 [9][13] --> Admiral Ackbar 22. GreYMisT [9][1] --> Dreamflower --> Vanilla Bodyguard for Meapak_Ziphh 23. kitaman27 (York) [9][1] --> Role Swapper 24. heist [1][17] --> Parity Cop 25. Foolishness [1][1] --> Puppeteer --> Vanilla 26. Erandorr [1][1] --> Dreamflower --> Vanilla 27. JACCUZISPLAT [1][1] --> America --> Vanilla Bodyguard for Radfield 28. sinani206 (York) No Numbers Submitted --> No Pick Submitted --> Vanilla Bodyguard for Radfield Actions List: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: GreYMisT and Sandroba (York) become Rock Star Bodyguards for Meapak_Ziphh Radfield is elected Mayor Mig is elected Pardoner Node is lynched Scamp the Copycat inherits the role of America The House of York decides to substitute sinani206 in as a Mayoral Bodyguard JACCUZISPLAT and bumatlarge become Mayoral Bodyguards Night 1 The House of Tudor elects to kill kitaman27 The House of Lancaster elects to kill bumatlarge The House of York elects to kill DropBear wherebugsgo shocks Cyber_Cheese hiro protagonist shoots chaoser Arctocod attempts to shoot heist but misfires Kenpachi elects to appear as Meth Man to checks and investigates deconduo, who is revealed to be from the House of Tudor Cyber_Cheese covers Mr. Wiggles as a Anarchist Medic Mr. Wiggles protects Kenpachi kitaman27 swaps roles with Kenpachi Mig checks Scamp and receives Innocent American Radfield checks Meapak_Ziphh and finds out that he is carrying a gun DropBear places a bomb on Cyber_Cheese with the code word "alliance" heist checks syllogism, receives no result kitaman27, Cyber_Cheese, chaoser, DropBear, and bumatlarge are killed. Kenpachi becomes Role Swapper Day 2 Scamp nukes deconduo Meapak_Ziphh is lynched Jackal58 suicides into Arctocod Night 2 The House of Tudor elects to kill syllogism The House of Lancaster elects to kill JimboSilvers The House of York elects to kill syllogism wherebugsgo shocks Foolishness hiro protagonist shoots Mr. Wiggles heist checks JACCUZISPLAT, receives the result "same" Mig checks heist and receives Innocent Parity Cop Radfield checks JimboSilvers and finds out that he is not carrying a gun Kenpachi swaps roles with JimboSilvers supersoft hides behind Erandorr JimboSilvers invents Bill Murray Mr. Wiggles, Foolishness, JimboSilvers, and syllogism are killed Kenpachi becomes Inventor Day 3 Scamp nukes supersoft sinani206 is lynched Night 3 The House of Tudor elects to kill Erandorr The House of Lancaster elects to kill wherebugsgo The House of York elects to kill Scamp wherebugsgo shocks prplhz hiro protagonist shoots sandroba heist checks wherebugsgo, receives the result "same" Mig checks Kenpachi and receives Guilty Inventor Radfield checks GreYMisT and finds out that he is not carrying a gun Kenpachi invents a Sticky Bomb prplhz, sandroba, Scamp, wherebugsgo, and Erandorr are killed. The Houses of Tudor and York are eliminated Day 4 Kenpachi surrenders, Town win! couple things wrong: prpl was scum (not green) on the action where I shock him Dropbear was also town not scum so when the house elected to shoot him his name should be red EDIT also when radfield checks jimbo, he should be green not red | ||
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why no vote rigger/showtime/kingmaker? Vote rigger could easily be used to save one of your members from a lynch, by instead lynching the mayor or pardoner. Then the double lynch would be real useful too seeing as most of the lynches were complete one sided bandwagons. Showtime could end day early and seriously fuck over town. Kingmaker would allow you to simply king your scumbuddies and lynch through people during the day, or king a townie and convince them some scummy townie was scum, and have them get lynched | ||
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On October 23 2011 18:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I would have been perfectly fine, I was the gf kthx Plans are so beautiful in theory DropBear places a bomb on Cyber_Cheese with the code word "alliance" I'm not sure if I would have walked into that. The synergy with puppeteer was good The fact that you were GF wouldn't have prevented you from being lynched or shot. You were on a short list of players at the time who needed investigation. Luckily Jimbo established the connection when he did. If I hadn't shot you I would've shot prpl, so either way a scum would've died to my shot that night. | ||
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I wanted to claim York to prpl and hope you hadn't told himyour house lol. I was going to change that picture I gave you. Also Kav these are the reasons I was okay with shooting Foolish: 1.) At the time there were six scum left. I knew supersoft couldn't be shot. Kenpachi we thought, for the time being, was town. Prpl we thought, for the time being, was town. (though I was suspicious as hell tbh) Wiggles was the DF shot. Jackal, who we thought was scum, had flipped town. Palmar also flipped town. Sinani was being ignored because he always sucks. That left sandroba/foolishness and to me, the dilemma was which normally pro-town player do I shoot? 2.) I am not as experienced as Mig/Radfield and so I was more inclined to believe their arguments for Foolish being scum than sandroba being scum. Yeah, I should've gone with my gut, but in my position, with the level of uncertainty that there was, I felt like shooting sandroba and having him flip town would instantly put me on the suspicion list. That would have been bad. (ofc he wouldn't have flipped town) 3.) foolish was genuinely doing some scummy things, even in conversations with me. Whenever we were talking about scumteams he would put in 4-5 players that I told him were (almost) confirmed town. He kept listing Erandor, hiro, ON, (and later heist) when I kept saying those players were almost certain to be town. Even after I had insisted it several times he continued to list them, which was weird because it seemed as if he just wasn't listening or was being purposely vague. as a result all of the things foolish did day 2, we already had known through other means. We received no new info through foolish and that was strange. What I just recently found out was that sandro was pushing Foolish and Jimbo to be Scum really hard to Radfield. Since I didn't trust sandro I didn't know where the suspicion was coming from, and so it makes it even funnier that ultimately the choice was between those two players and I chose the wrong one. Also kav, although I didn't think you were scum for a variety of reasons, the fact that you failed to submit an invention day 1 was pretty scummy. | ||
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EDIT: Not to mention only one player was caught by the IRC impersonation, it was in a public IRC channel, and there are multitudes of ways to prevent impersonation. You can do a PM check (something GM, Incog and I did in XLV) where you ask the person to confirm themselves by giving you all the capital letters in your last PM. That's an almost fool-safe way of preventing someone from misleading you. You can create secret channels if you want to talk to your scumbuddies. You can make your own channel and make it secret/password it by just looking up "how to put a password on an IRC channel" in google. First few hits, problem solved. Why is everyone crying about this when only one player was found through the impersonation? It is completely his own fault he got caught and was careless, and Jimbo's ingenuity should be praised. It was an excellent tactic to infiltrate the mafia who were mostly really complacent and weak this game. | ||
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It's a form of infiltration. Politics. That's what this game was about. Mafia could've impersonated town to try and get information. Mafia could've tried to get into town circles to try and sabotage them from the inside. Instead, you guys were complacent, your play was bland, and you all suffered for it. I'll put this here: On October 12 2011 11:47 Protactinium wrote: Roles are now out. You have ~24 hours (until 03:00 GMT (+00:00) tomorrow) to turn in your number picks. Announcement: OriginalName and redFF are sharing the account JACCUZISPLAT. As a word of warning: This is more than just a standard mafia game. It is a game of intrigue and politics. Plotting and scheming will go a long way to further your goals. Tell me, other than sandro, which scum even attempted to scheme or plan to sabotage town goals? Finally, chaoser was going to get shot well before the IRC debacle. To say that he was caught by the IRC impersonation is a misrepresentation, only cheese was caught that way. | ||
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On October 24 2011 07:41 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Public key crypto would turn a thread game into a PM game, a key being public doesn't mean everyone can crack it. Public key cryptography is basically what makes e-commerce possible, and why your credit card info hasn't been stolen a hundred times over. If you want some more details of how, just look up RSA on wikipedia. Even with far less advanced ciphers it would be easy to communicate privately in a public thread as long as everyone else has limited programming knowledge. Hell, if prplhz knows what he is doing since he mentioned it (and if I don't screw it up), we could demonstrate. Except you have to keep one key private, while the other is public, correct? I don't see how that furthers the goal of trying to get PMs in a non-PM game. | ||
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On October 24 2011 07:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote: That sounds fine, just something to let newer players know that they shouldn't trust everything on IRC necessarily. For example, I wasn't really aware of it, and I'm sure Cyber wasn't aware of it when he confirmed himself and Chaoser as scum. I'm just glad he didn't out more of us. I still think it should be a host decision, though, and it would just be enforced in the same way as any other rules. Most of the rules on TL Mafia are enforced by the honour system more than anything else. For example, there's not really a way to tell if two players are breaking a no-PM rule unless one of them outs the other. Same thing for breaking into someone's TL account to look at their role PM. Most of this just relies an an inherent amount of trust in the players. So, making it a host decision shouldn't make more work for the hosts, as it would just work the same way as most every other rule in the game. This is the same way role PM bread-crumbing works too, some hosts allow it, others put example PMs in their OP to negate it, and others modkill you if you mention anything from a PM sent from a host. This isn't about town or mafia, or even this game. I don't really like it, because while it might be creative, it doesn't really require any skill or finesse. There's not much skill involved in pretending to be someone else and getting them to claim to you because they think you're their team mate. Like I've said, you could win the game on day 1 this way, if mafia aren't aware of the strategy. Also, when I say Chaoser was caught, that's because he was. It doesn't matter if you though he was scummy or not beforehand, I was just using him as an example. If Player A responds as a scumbuddy Player B, that pretty much confirms both Player A and Player B as scum. You just caught two mafia, doing nothing. Your line of reasoning doesn't hold, either. Saying it's a game of intrigue and politics could be used to justify any action. What if someone impersonated the mods in IRC and had people claim to them? Is that OK because it's scheming, and this is a game of intrigue and politics? There isn't a rule against it explicitly in the OP, so it must be fine, right? This is where the "spirit of the game" comes in, because players should be able to use their own judgement for what's acceptable or not in a game. The OP can't cover everything. That's also why we should discuss things like this, that fall into a somewhat grey area, just like we discussed account-sharing before, when that came up. So, judging by the discussion, people don't think this is a problem, so I'm going to drop it. The warning in the OP should be good enough to warn people about it, so we don't get unaware mafia handing out all their members to town. (Also funny because of rule number 2) It's important they know, because it's almost required that some of them use a public IRC if it exists, or else they just let town set up a giant circle where mafia can't see what's happening and can't influence it in any way. I still think it should ultimately be a host decision, though. Of course my logic holds. Impersonating the mods is already illegal because you're not allowed to impersonate people who are not participating in the game. There was a precedent for that and it might not be in the OP but that's not even what I'm suggesting. And again, this completely ignores a multitude of different things. Foolishness early in the game trashed the idea of public IRC. He received PMs from myself and Hiro; I asked him why he would say such a thing as town. Is it not clear now why an experienced player would think public IRC is useless? (and IRC in general is an unreliable form of communication) Finally, of course it's about mafia and town in this game. Mafia did nothing to stop town from infiltrating their circles. It was carelessness and complacency. If I was scum I would have my own private, passworded IRC channel (if we were to use IRC at all). In fact, Chezinu house had a more secret IRC channel than probably anyone else. And again, it's not really much about tech savvyness, or whatever. You can figure out how to password lock and make a channel secret in about five seconds on google. You can ask people to do PM verification in a matter of seconds. IMO this kind of thing is a complete non issue because of the number of ways to avoid getting duped. I think the OP change is completely fair and good for newer players, but there is absolutely no excuse, IMO, for more experienced players. | ||
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On October 24 2011 08:12 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: I give out my public key in a thread, the person I want to talk to does the same with his public key. I encrypt a message to him using his public key and post it in the thread. Since only he has the corresponding private key, only he can read the message. He replies with a message encrypted using my public key, I decrypt it with my private key. Nobody else can read those messages without finding out one of the private keys, which with a 2048 bit key, which would take the most powerful supercomputer in existence today years to crack. If only 1 person can read the message, it sounds a lot like a PM to me. This is rather off topic, but I'll just restate this again: If one of the keys needs to be private, how are you going to get the key to the other person without using a private form of communication? I can see this simply resulting in a modkill for precisely that reason. | ||
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On October 24 2011 08:43 Ace wrote: Even discussing whats in your role PM should be a 5 game ban at the minimum. Like this shit is common sense. Don't quote it, don't allude to it, don't ask "hey what is the 4th word in your role PM?", don't try and intentionally use a unique word in the role PM in casual chat, just fucking BAN PMs. God every fucking one of these PM based games have been absolute shit for the last 5 years. I don't know why you guys continue to do it. Add in a game with 3 Mafia factions that have to compete with each other + the Town for roles and you've got a disaster waiting to happen without some seriously great players. But what do I know, I'm just some guy that's amazed Tranformers is showing on TBS and Transformers 2 is showing on FX at the same time. hahaha I would actually have to agree with Ace here, I'd rather the mafia forum just have regular games. PM games seem to be really messed up to me. EDIT: Also yeah prpl, I was misunderstanding what public key encryption is. | ||
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"why would someone above 14 pick DF" "it's process of elimination I think there's only a couple people who can be DF" I'm surprised you didn't catch on. If you were town I figured you would've known that hiro was DF. You never caught on so I was left unsure whether or not it was a good idea to straight up tell you why hiro was town. | ||
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Mafia not going for KP or vote rigging roles was rather dumb. Tudor house had picks 1 and 4 and they chose RS/BP. Those are really dumb picks IMO. rockstar as #1 draft pick basically gives you away because there are two players who instantly know what you are. Had meapak picked NRA or some sort of other role instead he would've been in a really good position. Take inventor, for example. If he had inventor and decon took vote rigger meapak would be immune to the lynch the next day. He could then get two inventions off and give his team a HUGE advantage. Then imagine that the third scum on their team went for something like witch, medic, or doctor; they could use their ability on n2 to save meapak from a shot. The inventions could be anything and it would completely screw over town and the other teams. Decon being BP was also unexpected since it's really pretty useless when you're the #1 lynch candidate. He was in a great position to just lead town to lynching other scum but he was so scummy we just lynched him day 2 (or nukes I don't remember, we basically had a double lynch everyday) | ||
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On October 25 2011 05:59 kitaman27 wrote: Well from our perspective, saving one of our own would have had to be equivalent to 4-5 kp to keep the ratios the same. In a setup where survival was so important, obtaining extra kp wasn't a top priority. If we had realize the vote rigger could be used to rig the mayor election, we probably would have selected it. Otherwise, controlling the lynch isn't as powerful since for every 1 lynch kp, there is a ton more night kp to worry about. Right, but look at what happened: Townies had almost all the KP and scum elected two DTs into office. Voterigger could have been used to save one of the lynches and turn it into a lynch of Mig, for example. Or double lynch (when each day almost all the votes were on one player) so that one or two townies die. If your scumbuddy is getting lynched day 2 or day 3 or whatever, voterigger uses his double lynch and the guy getting lynched puts his vote on Radfield. WAY more powerful than puppeteer, or hider (rofl most scum role in the game), or RS, or NKVD. Saying you didn't know how the roles worked isn't really an excuse, since you could've just PMed Ver or Incog and asked. The fact that mafia didn't do their research on the roles is pretty clear, since Kenpachi picked NKVD on the assumption that it would give him the entire family in one shot (wtf lol) EDIT: And I don't know what exactly the defensive roles accomplish from your perspective. You KNOW you're fighting with town on getting those defensive roles. The vote altering and KP roles will be less competitive, naturally. KP and vote altering roles make your setup more flexible. You can choose who you want to kill every night and you can save yourselves from being lynched by the town/manipulate the lynch to ensure victory. Janitor would've been a great choice too, that would've caused a ton of chaos in a game of information. | ||
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Giving every scumteam a puppet is kinda weird. I don't think town stands to gain anything when they know they're talking to a scum. Maybe take out PMs entirely and add a couple roles that have one shot PM abilities, but not so sure about the puppet business (does it really belong in a PYP anyway?) | ||
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The exception to this was Palmar, I just couldn't tell what he was and for a while I thought he was scum. Knowing that, why didn't you guys just PM people and see what you thought? Once you get in a situation where you claim scum, either they play along or they ditch/out you. If you get outed in the thread, and you have said reasonably "pro-town" things behind the scenes to well established town players, you'll be fine. Example: sandro. Sandro's crutch was that he wasn't doing enough scheming with other scum. He was mostly stuck in the town circle. For me, most of my opinions about players were rather accurate, but I was having problems discerning my own opinions from the opinions of others. If scum are good about it they can all push subtle agendas through different avenues and different players. Eventually people will start thinking things without actually knowing the genesis of the idea. Sandro pulled this very effectively with Rad/Mig to make them think Foolish and Jimbo were scummier than they really were. I don't think mafia did as much as they could have done with the PMs. I'm not a fan of PMs, but there's no real room here to say that you didn't have a reliable form of communication with other scum if you didn't actually try very hard. You, wiggles, were almost never in IRC, for one. | ||
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3/4 of the scum in this game did next to nothing in PMs. You won't know until you try; I didn't see you trying very hard lol | ||
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I told you I believed sandro's logic for thinking Mig was town was really bad and you basically said I was being anti-town. Regardless of what your circle thought of Foolishness, had more scum taken advantage of that rift between town factions like sandro did, we would've been in a lot of trouble. Hopefully next time you don't rely on a cheap trick to try and confirm your good friends as being town, because that was honestly incredibly frustrating to deal with on day 0/1. You and sandro considered each other town for completely illogical and stupid reasons. | ||
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On October 26 2011 17:59 syllogism wrote: No, I called you unhelpful because you were refusing to vote for Mig over Greymist even in the scenario that your least wanted candidate, radfield, was going to get elected anyway and in general were undermining our efforts to get a very likely townie and a DT elected. Greymist was a horrible candidate, which was one of the reasons we were suspicious of Foolishness, but you refused to budge, as is typical of you. I never considered sandroba "99%" town or anything close to that; me and mig were both incredibly suspicious of him early on. The suspicion only somewhat subsided because he became completely supportive of everything we did and didn't push for any scum objectives. This is because we pretty much cornered him by making it nearly impossible for him not to be convinced of our innocence. It's rather hilarious to see you suggest I'm frustrating to deal with, given your own quite earned reputation. As for illogical and stupid, well I'm not even going to touch that. Note that I never gave Sandroba any information whatsoever. If you remember, I refused to vote for Mig when I didn't know why I felt like scum were voting for him and Radfield. I wanted to know why you simply accepted Sandroba's reasoning for voting Mig. It was, if I remember correctly, something like "I think syllo is town therefore since syllo is voting Mig I think Mig is also town so I'll vote him." I kept pushing that Radfield and Mig had scum voting them and we needed to find out why/who they were, so I decided to try pushing Greymist for mayor. I refused to budge (in terms of what I communicated to you) but if you remember I actually did vote Mig. And of course I refused to budge on what I was telling you simply because I didn't like your circle very much at the time. Even night 2?, Radfield seemed to have trusted sandro, and that could have been a problem if we hadn't done so well with the other scum. EDIT: Also I have to say, you were the only one out of your circle who I felt that way about. I felt completely fine with talking to Mig and Radfield, I just felt that they gave sandro too much slack. | ||
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I was confident Mig was some sort of DT, so I felt he needed to know certain things. I didn't tell him much, just what I felt was necessary (at first). I was highly suspicious of sandro and I knew that, regardless of alignment, Radfield wouldn't be a good person to tell things because of his connection to sandro. However I was confident that Mig was town and I gave him information that I knew he would find useful. I chose to deny leaking that information even though Mig gave me away by telling syllo (god damn it) because I was being persuaded that Foolish was untrustworthy. At the time I was very torn; I felt the same way I felt in XLV. I was in contact with two town circles, neither of which trusted the other. That's an incredibly weird situation to be in. In Mig's defense I knew that if he had some info he would find it useful. I never gave him everything, just what I thought was necessary. I did not tell him about decon or anything really that wasn't concrete until I was sure it was safe to get that information out. In the end no harm came from it because I was able to confirm sandro and prpl as scum even before they were checked. We even more or less caught Kenpachi; I flirted with the idea of contacting him but Mig warned against it on the final night. Overall if I had to do it again I would definitely leak that information again. I routinely narrowly missed being shot by scum every night and I managed to get town valuable information at the same time. I regret shooting foolish, but ultimately that didn't turn out to be that harmful. In the future I'll hopefully learn to balance my own opinions with those of others (I had opposite problems this game and in XLV; in XLV my opinions were consistently wrong so I came into this game with the expectation that I would be wrong right away) | ||
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