With this kind of set up, The ideal play for a mafia team would be to play one faction against another, and as someone else pointed out, to be the last one standing. In my mind the dream pick of roles for a mafia team would be a mix of protective roles and KP roles. This way, they can survive a few hits, while being able to take down threats that are targeting them, all the while letting other power roles run a muck on everyone else.

lucky for us, those would be great roles for town as well, so I would say the protective and KP roles should be top priority.

I dont see DT roles being good at all for Mafia, but still OK for town. I could see the traditional Mafia roles being good for ether side.

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 12 2011 22:16 GMT

#349

On October 13 2011 06:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I keep assuming that people take the role they're assigned -_-

And sense we cant do that, lets look at what is most important:

In this set up, It is better to stay alive then to kill. Alot of people have the misconception (or are trying to persuade) that Mafia would want to focus on killing other mafia. This is wrong. A more realistic set of priority's is 1. stay alive and 2. take down threats, whether that be mafia or otherwise. There not gonna give a shit about other teams until the end game.

The largest advantage as town we have is are numbers. We can compound this advantage by focusing on protective roles. This should be are primary focus imo.

We out last them, while at the same time denying them protection.
This also senrgizes well with KP, because KP aimed at town has a greater chance of failing while KP landing on Mafia has a higher chance of success.

I would like to introduce a plan where if you are town and you are NOT one of the first 4 people to pick, to focus on Protective roles in a tiered format. If you are in the first 4, Pick Inventor or Framer. If you are near the bottom, chose a KP role, or a DT role.

Thoughts?

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 12 2011 23:05 GMT

#358

On October 13 2011 07:52 JACCUZISPLAT wrote:
meh i dont think we need a strict picking order. I probably won't follow a strict picking order if we get top 5 we'll just pick the role we think is best.

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this post screams scum to me.

how so?

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 13 2011 07:32 GMT

#410

[15][2]

And I am damn near the middle.

Is anyone keeping a record of whats happening in Quake.net? Just for the people who chose not to use it, or miss something?

1. Meapak_Ziphh
2. Kenpachi
3. JimboSilvers
4. deconduo

and these are the players that will take the roles we say, correct?

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 13 2011 07:50 GMT

#411

Nvm, I missed this, which I fully agree with

On October 13 2011 11:47 Radfield wrote:
So, me and Sandro have been discussing extensively the potential plans. At this point I am inclined to side with both him and Jimbo, and NOT allocate picks. We've been throwing around the idea of allocating the top pick the NRA member, but I'm not sure how valuable that is.

Basically my entire list boils down to keeping tabs on the inventor. Which as Jimbo pointed out, is perhaps not worthy of allocating a whole bunch of picks. Frankly, Inventor will likely fall in the top few picks anyways, especially if any town-aligned player in the top 3 tries for it. Scum will not be able to let it slip far, as they risk losing it outright and having a lower player get vanilla.

So, this brings us to the town role priority list, which me and Sandro were working on. Basically the idea is to focus purely on Investigative/Defensive/Protective roles in the top 20 slots. Slots 20-28 will then take either KP roles or miscellaneous roles.

Still hammering out some details, but the list will follow. It is not set in stone by any means, and it a guideline for townies to pick from. The lower in the draft order you are, the lower on the role list you pick, etc. The only real goal of the list is to minimize overlap among townies, and to give a list of effective pro-town roles.

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 13 2011 07:58 GMT

#413

Ace, did you forget to log in as Jimbo again?

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 13 2011 15:50 GMT

#436

Your gonna find yourself a early lynch if you keep that spam up JACCUZIPLAT.

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 14 2011 03:53 GMT

#499

I would like to nominate the 3 most active and protown people as of right now, and that would be:

Sandroba
Jumbo
Radfield

All three put a lot of effort into organizing town so far. By putting them in public office, We pressure them to keep up there performance. Of the three, I like Sand and Rad the most, Jumbo the least.

chaoser or wiggles dont have a platform, so i see no reason to elect them. They could change my mind, if they give me a reason to.

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 14 2011 04:55 GMT

#506

On October 14 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:

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My platform is to lead you all to victory, what do you mean by no platform? What's sandroba's/Jimbo's/Radfield's platforms? I don't see any.

no, they dont have platforms, but I was putting out who I would like to run based on there performance this game so far.

I look up to you and your play as something to emulate, and while your past performance in leading town is impressive, you haven't done much of that this game. Or perhaps i should say your number 4 behind sand/jumbo/rad. I might vote for you, but you got to give me more reasons

also, I forgot that jumbo is near the top of the picking list, so I am less interested in voting him Mayor.

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 14 2011 07:25 GMT

#520

Sense your here DB, mind telling us if you got the framer role?

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 14 2011 21:19 GMT

#594

I am of the opinion that the scum teams wont try running for mayor unless they have some role combo that would stop DT checks (I doubt all three would have this). maybe 2 out of 3. maybe.

also, a lot of folks have yet to way there opinions on the election. Sooner rather than later would be good people

I am leaning towards Rad for mayor as of now, no idea for pardoner.

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 14 2011 21:22 GMT

#596

On October 15 2011 06:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Wtf why on earth would the scumteams NOT run for mayor?

Are you seriously that naive/bad?

I'll let you think about it for awhile...

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 14 2011 21:52 GMT

#603

hmmm, I forgot about role thief. but all of the vote fixing ones arnt so bad. Dont forget that other mafia factions will want to kill the mafia mayor as well. Thats a lot of heat to take when (which is just my opinion) you would want to stay more undercover as scum from other scum.

Thanks for sharing that bugs. I had forgot about some of those roles.

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 14 2011 21:54 GMT

#604

On October 15 2011 06:43 GreYMisT wrote:

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I for one would be interested to hear you expound upon this, why would scum see it as a bad idea to have someone in a mayor office, who cant die until the bodygaurd does, and who can choose the lynch day1?

they can both die by lynch.

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 14 2011 22:04 GMT

#606

My logic is that mayor and pardoner will be under alot of scrutiny, and without a solid way of hiding the fact that your mafia, there is not as much incentive for grabbing the big seat. Those thinking that agent of chaos/ackbar or suicide roles for mayor are good for mafia should realize that the game is to be the last one standing, not "kill as many people that visit me/and I die as well"

but as bugs pointed out, there are alot of combos. maybe more than he posted or that I thought of. so now Im not so sure.

hiro protagonist

1247 Posts

October 14 2011 22:14 GMT

#608

Anyways, bugs assumed right, that i was implying that dt checks would make going for mayor a bad idea, and only thought godfather and framer as the must have roles to try it.

speaking of framer, DropBear, you never said if you got that role or not.