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This game shall be full of win. | ||
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D B C E F If im not mistaken | ||
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Madness! | ||
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On October 10 2011 12:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote: COMMUNISM! http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=272941 a gem from that thread | ||
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On October 12 2011 02:53 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 12 2011 02:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote: As long as the mad hatter uses the special death scene this game it'll turn out awesome. Will everybody have a power? Everyone gets to *pick* a power, assuming you don't overlap with anyone higher on the list, so everyone who picks an unique power winds up with a power. If you overlap with someone higher in the draft order you are out of luck and end up being vanilla. Read the op *very* carefully. this is one of the most complex/fun setups around, but you need to understand the rules. So town high on the list should pick big power roles that mafia would want, in the hopes that they lock those out? | ||
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thats right I am claiming politician! For a measly 800 ESPORTS dollars I will kill whoever you want. | ||
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What up?! | ||
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Dont worry, I wont pick anything else | ||
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On October 12 2011 12:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Show nested quote + On October 12 2011 12:28 JimboSilvers wrote: Since it is going to come up, I'll say this now. Almost half the player-base is Mafia. This makes denying powerful mafia roles nearly impossible, and not cost effective. The best course for the role picking phase will be for us to focus on getting good town roles, and letting the various mafia parties fight among themselves for the good mafia roles. (Denying each other good combos in the process) On that note, I want to know if you guys think it's a good idea to make a coordinated list of powerful town roles, or a bad idea. The obvious upside is that if we coordinate our picks then we have a higher chance of getting more roles, but at the cost of letting every mafia knowing the general location of certain power roles. I for one am against this sort of ordering. It's called Pick YOUR power, Not Pick THEIR Power. I'll pick my own role, thank you. I thought about this, but what do you think is the possibility of mafia picking traditionally pro-town roles like DTs and Cops in order to hunt for the other scum teams? I feel we're going to have to be very careful of attributing pro-towness to role, and avoiding the "confirmed town" mentality for DTs, even if they deliver a red to us. It will be more like they aren't part of that mafia family, more than that they become likely town. That said, they'd still be useful, because they aren't going to hide red checks on the enemy families, and they're forced to confirm town, or lie about their own members, neither of which helps them in the long run. So, I think a list of good town roles will be ok, so long as people are careful not to fall into the trap of role = alignment. We should also try to take roles that are good in mafia or town hands, if possible. Going even further than that, the whole concept of "pro town" needs to be rethought for this game. Because scum need to kill the other scum factions, it will be rather easy for them to look "pro Town" through genuine scum-hunting. In normal games scum have to fake scum-hunt, here they do not. We cannot fall for this illusion. Fortunalty for town, our objective is simpler than it is for scum. while scum need to blend in with the town, not draw fire, and kill all the opposing factions; all we have to do is just kill everything red. Aside from noting that scum also need to scum-hunt, I think we should not think too much about the presense of the multiple scum teams, and just treat it as one big one. | ||
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The one thing i disagree with in Radfield's plan is the no-pick list. This seems to be a great way to give scum a list of roles that won't be taken, leaving them open to being picked. On that same note it is important to establish a list of roles that townies would want to prioritize over others. As far as sandroba's plan goes, I like it. If town can get most of the protective roles than we can just survive the crossfire until mafia numbers become more adequate to deal with. | ||
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On October 13 2011 03:46 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On October 13 2011 03:44 GreYMisT wrote: Radfield the main problem I see with your plan is that we have given scum the perfect place to shoot for the first 2 nights. Mafia would shoot into the top of the list anyway? Fair enough, but I'm uncomfortable with letting them know they have a 1/5 of hitting inventor by doing so. I perfer a plan where we pick following general guidelines. As someone said this gives mafia less of an opportunity to screw up everything, and already sets us up with good roles. | ||
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On October 13 2011 07:13 Radfield wrote: Hmm, I'm really not sure at this point if it makes sense to allocate the top picks or not. My thought is in a perfect world(where everyone follows the plan) it will likely work out great. However, worse case scenario is that some of the top picks vocally follow the plan, and some vocally do not. This gives us half a plan, which is actually pretty bad for us. The more slots we allocate, the higher the chance of this happening. With this in mind, we should probably only allocate 3 slots, Inventor, Thief and Swapper. However, this leaves the assassin free to kill the inventor day 1, which is a problem. Hence the addition of the assassin into the mix. I'm honestly not sure what the best play is. Every pyp game I have played so far the inventor has ended up known, and in town hands. But with 12 mafia players, the chances of them getting the #1 slot are quite high. What about this: #1 Inventor #2 Assassin #3 Thief #4 Swapper #5/6/7/8 all take whatever, but also randomize in a % chance to take one of the top roles. This means Mafia cannot take for granted the ability to let a role slip, and take a risk of losing an excellent role by getting greedy. Jimbo's thief/swapper ideas can be put to use as well to help speedily confirm the top picks. I'd like to talk this out with people tonight. If anyone is interested and is around in about an hour or so, lets chat on IRC/Skype/whatever and hash this out. I particularly want to discuss with people who disagree with the allocation, as hopefully we can find solutions. If we use this method, this is the way to do it. I actually thought this up as I was driving home from college, and came up with no senarios where having someone do this check would be bad for the town. I guess you could argue that this person ends up vanilla, but that is bound to happen to a few people, and in my opinion is a very worth it trade to making sure no scum nonsense is going on. Thanks for clearing up this plan radfield/chaoser. I would feel more comfortable doing a 5 role version of this plan, with inventor, assassin, role swapper and thief, with another person checking for the above. the rest of us should follow the guidlines that sandraoba set, with mostly choosing protective/investigative roles. Question: should we consider America as one of the roles we need to keep track off? i didnt list it in my top 5 because he has to out himself to shoot, but being able to direct his shot could be benifitical. | ||
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I mean yea we will know if there is a framer in the game if you do this, but i think it was already safe to assume there was going to be one with its power for the mafia. | ||
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On October 14 2011 07:38 Radfield wrote: Here's the thing with the mayor. In a normal set-up. one scum HAS to run for mayor, as not competing for the elected roles leaves you at a serious disadvantage. However, running for mayor also comes at a cost to mafia, as they have to spotlight themselves. Increased scrutiny goes hand in hand with running for mayor. It is very viable for any single mafia team to simply not run, and hope that some other scum team competes and spotlights themselves. Discussion will center around every candidate running, so the ability to stay out of the spotlight while still splitting up the elected roles between multiple teams is a tempting prospect. A couple guidelines for running for mayor as i see them: * Do not run for mayor if you are dreamflower or Doctor * Do not run for mayor if you are vanilla townie, unless you are a solid scumhunter(or have zero faith in any of the other options) _______________ Framer+ NRA member poses an interesting problem. If a town player takes NRA member, the optimal play is to claim, but only if the framer has also claimed. An NRA member can absolutely NOT CLAIM if the framer is hidden. As pointed out by others, the framer could simply direct any claimed blues into the NRA member. For this reason, I think it makes sense for Dropbear to go for Framer. I haven't fully thought of all the possibilities, but in my current wine-addled state this makes a lot of sense. There exists the possibility for Dropbear to be mafia, but I don't think there is very much mischief he can cause to us by lying, especially compared with the amount of attention he would draw on himself. Cost benefit analysis says he should draft Framer. However, the thief/roleswapper is a problem as they could swipe the power. Dropbear can't simply come out into the thread and claim he got it. This is where Chaosers Qatol plan comes in. If a player lower down takes Qatol, they can PM Dropbear and ask him if he got framer, then ban him if he did. This nullifies the power, and leaves us in good shape. This is a bit convoluted I admit, but I do like the idea of Dropbear going for Framer. Not much risk vs moderate reward. ________________________ Kenpachi, you have the second overall pick. I'd love to hear your overall thoughts on the game so far. Mig, I'd like to hear your thoughts too. Is our current townie picking plan a good one? What are potential downfalls? Are there any roles that should be on the tier list? Etc. Protact, I think you missed this question when i asked it earlier: If cupid tries to tie the NRA member to another player, will cupid be killed? also What order are actions performed in. If a role swapper and thief both target the same player, which person gets the role? First player to send in their action I presume? But what if dropbear is scum, gets framer, and replies that he failed to get it? Qatol then fails to ban the framer, and the shitstorm ensues. | ||
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On October 14 2011 08:12 Jackal58 wrote: Qatol can ban daily. It's not a one off power. yea just figured that out.... | ||
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On October 14 2011 13:49 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2011 13:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm going to prioritize my vote based on who the mayor will lynch day 1, and the candidates position in the draft order (Alongside filtering out people who seem scummy of course). The draft order thing is because if the person is scum, they are less likely to have a top tier role, and therefore can't abuse their power to the same extent. Any candidates seeking my vote should provide this information Obviously you should vote me since I am both in the middle of the order (albeit low middle) and also have a lynch target. Also, I put up a picture of Mike Haggar. And he is awesome. He can beat up any stupid stick figures and numbers mean nothing to him. So who is your lynch target? | ||
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On October 15 2011 06:22 hiro protagonist wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2011 06:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf why on earth would the scumteams NOT run for mayor? Are you seriously that naive/bad? I'll let you think about it for awhile... I for one would be interested to hear you expound upon this, why would scum see it as a bad idea to have someone in a mayor office, who cant die until the bodygaurd does, and who can choose the lynch day1? | ||
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On October 15 2011 06:54 hiro protagonist wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2011 06:43 GreYMisT wrote: On October 15 2011 06:22 hiro protagonist wrote: On October 15 2011 06:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf why on earth would the scumteams NOT run for mayor? Are you seriously that naive/bad? I'll let you think about it for awhile... I for one would be interested to hear you expound upon this, why would scum see it as a bad idea to have someone in a mayor office, who cant die until the bodygaurd does, and who can choose the lynch day1? they can both die by lynch. well yea but so can scum that arnt in office. | ||
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I agree with a number of people in the thread that have said we need to elect a mayor who we feel most comfortable being not mafia, that for me is Jimbo. I talked with him on IRC a bit and while I am not 100% convinced obviously, I feel more comfortable with him as mayor than the other candidates at the moment. Even before the elections began he was posting with a very clear headed no fluff style, and when he announced his candidacy he said exactly what he wanted to do and why. As far as the pardoner role is concerned I defiantly think he should completely refrain from using his power unless role mechanics alter the lynch. Again, I will be hanging out on IRC if you have any questions. | ||
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HOLD IT After talking a lot privately with multitudes of players I have learned there is a lot of dissatisfaction with those running at the moment. Although I still feel like jimbo is the best option out of the current canidates I thought I would give everyone another option. I do not have past games to reference, nor do I have vast connections built up after many games played here. i also dont have a gamebreaking plan, or 100% town reads. But what I do have is the ability to be a clear minded, transparent mayor. while i dont post as much as others, and my posts are always doomed to fall on the beginning and ends of pages, I try to be active as much as possible in IRC, and the posts that I do make have only one agenda, achieve the victory condition of the town. So vote GreYMisT, I will do my absolute best to win with a town united, and the scum fallen. If you have any questions for me at all, please feel free to ask me in thread, IRC, or through PMs. | ||
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On October 15 2011 15:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm up for putting Greymist in office, If his answer these is satisfactory I think he'd be best as pardoner, because that's the more powerful role of the two. Show nested quote + On October 14 2011 13:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm going to prioritize my vote based on who the mayor will lynch day 1, and the candidates position in the draft order (Alongside filtering out people who seem scummy of course). The draft order thing is because if the person is scum, they are less likely to have a top tier role, and therefore can't abuse their power to the same extent. Any candidates seeking my vote should provide this information Show nested quote + On October 15 2011 05:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote: At this point in time, my top three likely votes are for wiggles/radfield/jimbo. If you were on that list, please publicly state two things for me. The first being who you would lynch right now and why, and the second is if you could choose mayor and pardoner now, excluding yourself, who would they be and why? As for mayor. It's still between wiggles/radfield/jimbo, leaning on wiggles because he's the only one to have answered to both of these posts in the thread, and against jimbo because of his high spot in the drafting. The day is only halfway done, but if it were to stop right now and I was elected I would lynch Chaoser. a number of things about his play have set me off. Most of my reasoning comes from the early stages of the game, where we were discussing plans. If you notice he tries to find holes in almost every plan, rather than providing solutions or a plan of his own. In fact he presents very few original ideas or concepts at all. overall, this is not the chaoser i knew in LOTR and WW. I also agree with other points brought up about him, and would love to see him respond to these. As for your second question, out of the current canidates I would put jimbo as mayor and Mig as pardoner if i had to choose right now. My reasoning for Jimbo i have already expressed earlier in the thread, and while admittadly the whole mig/sandro/syllo connection does make me a bit uneasy, Mig and the rest of the town i think agrees that the pardoner should only use his power to change the vote if it is being rigged/bought. If he is scum we just end him if he misuses this. his post about what he would do as pardoner I agree with as well. I hope this answered your questions. | ||
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On October 15 2011 16:15 Scamp wrote: Oh sweet. In PMs he's town. Yes that's convincing. Greymist what did WBG PM you about? Basically the mayoral race, current scumreads, the like In fact, your name came up once or twice, namely regarding this post: On October 14 2011 11:49 Scamp wrote: Jimbo is exactly right. Luckily there's not much time left so everyone's prolly sent in their picks already. The reality is that there are 12 mafia and 16 townies. That is an absurdly ridiculous ratio. If I were mafia I'd take whatever kills as much as possible and just start massacring everything. The only way the town can win is if the mafia shoot each other. If the mafia families suck then the town is screwed. (Actually, the last multiple-mafia-family game I was in ended in a tie thanks to late modkills and my medical prowess.) I really hope the discussion caused mafia members to try to take investigative roles. I refuse to believe i am the only one who receives creeps from this post. instead of talking about what the town needs to do, you basically say "well, I guess we just sit back and pray we don't die boys, oh and this is how scum should play." How can a player who is supposed to play from a pro town perspective post something that is so anti-town in every way imaginable? I have yet to see such a defeatist attitude in any post in the thread to date. In fact all of your posts share a similar feel to them. In light of this do you have any original thoughts regarding the state of the game? | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:06 kitaman27 wrote: By the way, I tracked chaoser to a kill tonight. Have any QT logs with radfield you can post? i think we need to confirm you as a tracker. | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:41 chaoser wrote: Aside from sandroba I'd like to make a case against Prphlz: The first post of his that stood out to me was: Show nested quote + also after rednkted's last post i just realized that with town going for prot roles, people will be free to derp it up all they want What??? But from playing with him in LOTR I understand that he has word vomit so I understand if he's just being stupid but... not only does he ask for a coach before the game started: Show nested quote + On October 12 2011 04:07 prplhz wrote: @GMarshal you up for some light coaching too? i just noticed that there are no coaches attached to this game at all but he also jsut agrees with everyone and says nothing original: Show nested quote + On October 14 2011 06:43 prplhz wrote: i like the idea of narrowing down the candidates and then threatening them with having them dt checked. mafia are surely going to try to get one of theirs elected if they can and while pardoner is stronger than mayor, mayor is still storng. if we narrow down the range of people who are candidates mafia can't just suddenly vote in a pardoner in the last second by switching a single vote or something like that. Show nested quote + On October 13 2011 06:46 prplhz wrote: i like this these are the most beneficial roles for town and if we can't have them then a red lynch would be nice in compensation having top5 pick leaves too much room for shenanigans also i don't hope that there will be a ton of people with a suppressed batman inside who will get into top3/5 and then pick another role because they "always wanted to be like qatol" or something like that also i'm picking [1][1] so no one else pick that please, i'll invent you many good inventions promiss Show nested quote + On October 14 2011 22:20 prplhz wrote: you know while the mayor needs to be someone town, the pardoner is going to be held very accountable. we should lynch the pardoner the second he doesn't do exactly what we tell him to so i think pardoner needs to be expendable. When it was said wayyy earlier Show nested quote + On October 12 2011 19:42 Radfield wrote: On October 12 2011 11:54 chaoser wrote: Woot woot, let's get this started! An important note to everyone, the Pardoner is basically a Prince of Darkness x2 and while there's a lot of KP in this game, there's also a lot of defensive roles in this game as well. A mafia team with medics+Pardoner with Hero as his ability would be horrible for town. As such, they'll probably fake an aim for mayor and actually want pardoner instead. I learned my lesson in XXXIX with GM -_-. We need to get rid of the pardoner outright as early as possible. Pardoner is a threat, but if they ever use their power inappropriately they get lynched. Scary in the endgame, and needs to be eliminated before we get down to 6-8 players, but for now it is an excellent insurance policy against the Vote Rigger and Showtime!. All of these have been said by many many other people. Finally, prphlz was townie in LOTR which was last game. If you read over his posts you'll notice that he tunnels everyone he feels like mafia, being very active about expressing his opinions on who he thinks is mafia. In this game? Show nested quote + On October 15 2011 09:14 prplhz wrote: can we do some scum hunting? this is all getting lost in electing people and that's very important, but usually we'd use 48 hours to talk about who is scum and who isn't. right now there's not enough of that from the candidates for election. Never does any scum hunting. Even though chaoser is still a highly suspicious player at this moment, his points here are actually something I agree on. I have been talking with a number of people about prplhz's behavior this game, but was holding off on any analysis until he spoke up a bit more or gave any sort of opinion. So prplhz, what are your thoughts on the game thus far? a lot has come up since the last time you gave your opinion. | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:50 hiro protagonist wrote: lol, Im always suspicious day 1 when Im town. I think I am the opposite of Mig in that regard, because I am great at being scum, but Im terrible at playing townie Scum hiro would have never said the things that I have said so far this game. PM me if anyone wants to chat. did you really just say "don't worry guys, im better at scum, and I'm playing terribly this game, therefor I'm town" That is the weirdest logic stream i have ever heard. | ||
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On October 16 2011 11:28 Radfield wrote: I'm trying to find alternate lynch candidates at the moment. I would love to have everyones input. Chaoser is still on the short list, but there may be someone better we can all agree on. I have actually been looking into errandor and node Regarding errandor and this post that chaoser quoted: On October 16 2011 01:25 Erandorr wrote: Sorry that I have not been active in the thread as of yet. I want Mig as Mayor for several reasons. For one I know how good of a scumhunter he is. Having someone as strong as him in that position can only benefit us if Mig is town. And I am convinced of that based on all our conversations. He is also not known for being a good scumplayer and for one I just do not think he would put himself in the spotlight as scum. The only real issue I can see there is that Scum in this game can actually legitimatly Scumhunt, and thus make it easier for Mig to fit if he where Mafia. That being said, for me there is no way that he would do something that agressive, especially since he is very open on Skype. He really would be transparent, in my opinion and from a personal point of view, I am jus far better at judgin him than Radfield, for example, who I think would be able to pull this of as Scum. I also like the point Arcto made. Syllo/Mig/Sandro would never play like this if they where on a Scumteam and I too have talked to all of them so much that I am very certain that Mig/Syllo are town and pretty certain that Sandro is, too. Sooo Mig for mayor , yay! As for a Day1 Lynch I really do like Chaoser. I pretty much just agree with Mig on that one and just would like to add that after playing XLIV with him(on a mafia team), it seems very likely to me that he is scum. I also really dislike his pulling out of the mayoral campaign so early. So Chaoser for Day1 lynch, also yay! Notice one thing, this is sort of a "hey sry ive been inactive, here are my thoughts so far." but also notice that he doesnt comment on my canidacy, at all. even though he mentions most everything else, he fails to mention me, something i think scum would do, particuarly one that is trying to fly under the radar. its just something interesting to note as for node, he votes me claiming that he gets a town read through my posting on the IRC. here is the thing though. Me and him have never talked in IRC. and I dont post much in the general channel. so his only reason for voting me is invalidated. I would actually like more comments on him from some others. | ||
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I would like to hear Heist and Chaoser's actual thoughts on the lynch/ and the Mig/radfield office. they were the primary candidates for the lynch alongside node, and while chaoser has made a valiant effort to defend himself and prove his worth, heist has done nothing of the sort. | ||
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On October 17 2011 12:20 Jackal58 wrote: Probably means Hiro is NRA. can you clarify? I'm afraid im missing your reasoning. | ||
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On October 17 2011 13:06 Incognito wrote: Show nested quote + On October 17 2011 12:47 GreYMisT wrote: In this setup, if say Qatol was a roleswapper, and he roleswapped with Flamewheel and flamewheel died that night, would flamewheel flip Roleswapper? No. Thanks | ||
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On October 17 2011 13:25 Kenpachi wrote: KEKEKE I will accuse TWO people. Deconduo, you are Tudor scum. I was the NKVD Agent (checked decond) and I had my roleswapped and GreYMisT asked this Show nested quote + On October 17 2011 12:47 GreYMisT wrote: In this setup, if say Qatol was a roleswapper, and he roleswapped with Flamewheel and flamewheel died that night, would flamewheel flip Roleswapper? LOLOLOL YOU SCUMBITCH YORK I WANT MY ROLEBACK SO, DAY VIG OR DOUBLE LYNCHER. UNLEASH THE KRAKEN HAHAHAHAHA well decondou as scum certainly is interesting info, can anyone confirm this? one thing i learned from LOTR is not to trust roleclaims so easily. As far as your accusation of me, you do realize that the roleswapper flipped right? and unless there are two of them i cannot be it. | ||
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Scamp didnt america like..you know...die? ken why vote me when you have the red/family check on decon? care to enlighten us all? | ||
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On October 17 2011 16:02 Scamp wrote: Clearly I am claiming America. So there. WBG you have it wrong, the nuke falls at the end of the day, not in 12 hours. I have to use it prior 12 hours before the day ends. If Decon doesn't flip Tudor we should kill Kenpachi. If you are claiming America, can you please explain this? On October 16 2011 12:40 Protactinium wrote: Node the traitorous American Earl of Cambridge of the House of York was drowned in coffee. and before you say "this was flavor!" this is the same format that the other flips have been presented in. | ||
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On October 17 2011 16:13 Scamp wrote: All I'm saying is that if you role check me the result will be "America". Really. Get someone to role check me and you'll see. Or just wait until the end of the day. Wanna see the fireworks? alright i look forward to seeing your fireworks. | ||
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On October 18 2011 06:28 Kenpachi wrote: oh and thats also the reason why i think GreYMisT is a fellow York of Kitaman.. My question was an attempt to figure out why the roleswapper was down so low on the list, that senario i presented is one of the things i thought up. Also If I was scum with kitaman wouldn't i have known his role? thus leaving there no need for me to ask that question in the thread as i would have been able to figure out the mechanics of the flip, while still leaving town in the dark. | ||
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On October 18 2011 14:22 Foolishness wrote: I'm going to try to get everyone who mentioned me in this post, and say everything of relevance. I can't answer everything at once so don't get all pissy if I only answered 9 out of 10 of your questions. In no particular order: Show nested quote + On October 18 2011 12:23 Mig wrote: Right now I lean town on Sand I won't deny I have some suspicions but he has been very open with me on skype and actually helped me scum hunt and regardless there are clear better targets. Right now I really do not like wiggles, meapak or foolish. Foolish your entire goal and all your play day1 was centered around not getting shot. Well now that that has happened maybe you could actually post your opinions and thoughts on people? It really doesn't matter if you survive in the game if you are completely useless constantly. Your support of greymist over a more experienced candidate was also hella shady. If scum were playing optimally the last thing they would want is me or radfield protected, greymist would be a much safer choice for them to push. No, my plan was not centered around getting shot. My plan was centered on getting shit done because I assumed I would be shot. Of any of the candidates proposed so far I'd vote for sandroba, but this isn't news to anyone. But speaking of him, you say that he's been open on skype and helped you scum hunt. Believe it or not there are some people who would be able to vouch that for me too. But that's not what this is about. I'll give you my situation is worse than his because he was active at the beginning of day 1 and was proven to be very involved in the ongoings of the town. However since then he's done zilch in the thread besides respond with witty and snarky comments (he learned from me!!!). Enough about this Greymist crap. That's a sorry excuse to use as gunpowder. I am not the only one who voted for Greymist or agreed that he should be elected, many others expressed the same concerns that I did. The Radfield/sandroba/syllogism/Mig group (hence know as the "Radfield Group" in this post) seemed to easy to be under mafia influence. Greymist showed to me that he had honest intentions for the town and that he was competent enough to use them. And I'm not the only one he did this to. Radfield had honest intentions for the town but I couldn't help but think he was being manipulated by mafia. And I kept telling people that it's very likely there's a mafia in Radfield's group. And everyone I told this to said, "no, I've talked with them all in PM, they all townies". Finally days later Radfield tells me: [7:12:07 PM] Mike Hadfield (Radfield): my little group [7:12:07 PM] Mike Hadfield (Radfield): has a little leak [7:12:08 PM] Mike Hadfield (Radfield): in my opinion Also don't forget in Radfield's recent post he said "OK, we have a problem town." Yeah I tried to warn you guys about this happening but nobody listened and everyone chose to point fingers instead. You guys have only yourself to blame as to why Palmar seems to know everything about everyone, despite the fact that nobody seems to be talking to him. I voted for Greymist because I knew he wouldn't let something like that happened. I'm pretty sure a few others were thinking along the same lines as me. If Greymist flips town would you still say it was mafia-like to push him into office? I would also like to say this to Mig, although it may apply to a few others as well, that you are quick to jump on anyone that does anything that is anti-Radfield or anti-sandroba. You say that "If scum were playing optimally the last thing they would want is me or radfield protected" yet you (most likely) cannot 100% prove that Radfield (or sandroba or syllogism or all 3) is town. And even if you could now you couldn't before elections started. Stop sucking up to players in your little blue circle which, in case you forgot, the leader of which claims there's a leak in. Don't base your arguments around "well he went against Radfield/sandroba/Mig he must be playing for the mafia". Go find your leak before it's too late. Show nested quote + On October 18 2011 10:37 GreYMisT wrote: The way I see it is, we all know Foolishness is usually policy shot first day if he is town. Knowing this, he should have been posting like a monster, trying to get as much figured out for the town as possible before he dies. The fact that he has been doing quite the opposite of this worries me. ##Vote Foolishness I'll agree that I haven't been posting like a monster, but the latter part of the sentence I have been doing. Also I really hope we are all above policy lynching here, we're all good players here, if you want to policy lynch why not role a die to decide who dreamflower is shooting tonight? Show nested quote + On October 17 2011 22:58 prplhz wrote: what i don't like about a guy like foolishness is that he's one of those names you hear a lot on this forum, but he hasn't done anything in this game yet. just about all of his posts so far have been him supporting wbg or otherwise talking about wbg related stuff, but the second decon pointed out that they might be connected, they both start distancing themselves for each other. wbg, who actively pushed for foolishness's election now says that foolishness is a null tell because of a bout of inactiveness. foolishness, as you can see in my log says citing what might be the most obvious flaws in wbg's play, the guy is ALWAYS spontaneous and he NEVER thinks things through and he's ALWAYS so freakin annoying. so why did foolishness even talk to him in the first place? foolishness could have talked to anyone but he mostly decides to just talk to wbg, this seems weird to me unless they are somehow connected. i ask him why he even bothered with wbg in the first place with his obvious character flaws and foolishness says so foolishness also talked to chaoser and kita in PMs and since he was really busy he must have talked to them quite a bit. they were both scum, but did he talk about that in the thread at all? no. foolishness is supposed to be a guy who picks up on stuff and even though he's actively PMing with two scum he doesn't pick up on ANYTHING. weird. also he says that he was really busy first day but people might not know. well, if town don't know about your activity then what good is it to us? he almost knew everything about everybody in the game, but then not really so now he's just lurking it out. wat?! no pushing his views at all, just saying that meapak is scum. honestly, i've been getting a lot of "meapak is scum" lately so there might be something about it but foolishness' entire argument is 10 words long. sounds like he didn't give it any thoughts at all. finally there's his connection with wbg that i want to talk about. first wbg struck me as being a lot less chaotic than he used to be but when he changed that i thought that maybe he'd just fallen into his lotr ways where he almost got lynched day1 for being insane. but still, "i'm insane" is not a good excuse for being insane. i get a lot more scummyness from foolishness because of my past experiences with wbg, but the two are so interconnected that one's flip will surely affect my read on the other. foolishness needs to step it up ##Vote Foolishness **Note I removed some of the content from prplhz's original post cause of the shear length, please go read his original for the irc logs and for more information. I'm just going to ignore anything you say relating to wbg, because that has nothing to do with me being scum. Unless you want to accuse both of us being scum, and if that's the case then say so. But have fun trying to make that one work. Yes I was PMing with chaoser and kitaman. You say I didn't pick up anything but how would you know? I'm not part of the Radfield group, I make sure my information is kept in the right people. Even today I told Radfield a few things and I'm sure the entire town knows by now. You seem to be connected indirectly to the Radfield group and I have no reason to trust you of course you're not going to know anything about me. And yes, because I was talking to chaoser and kitaman I thought I had an idea on who they were shooting that night. And had it turn out the way I thought it would I would have had a big lead on some mafia, but that's not the way the cookie crumbled. Of course thanks to the Radfield group everyone knew about how chaoser died. drp What have I done for the town? Let me tell you a few things I have not done. I have not put my blind trust in 3 or more players from the beginning of the game (and consequently not making sure said people know everything I've done including what I'm eating for breakfast). I have not been responsible for Palmar finding out an obscene amount of information he should not know. I have not been part of a town circle that has leaked information. I have not become town leader only to tell the town "oops, we're actually in a bad position because information is spreading faster than Yogi Bear steals picnic baskets." To anything that Palmar has ever said: Aside from sand, who else do you think we should take a closer look at? do you have any other reads you are pushing atm? | ||
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When i first talked with him he told me his plan, which is the same that he present now. However he left out the fact that he knew where the inventor is, It could be him as scum trying to hide his scumbuddy, or it could be him just not giving inventor to a potential scum (me). I did find it odd, however, that he would try to plant inventor with someone off of less than 1 day of analysis on a player. Its easy to appear protown when you dont have anything you need to lie about (Role, night actions, kp ect.) As far as what i think about his aliengment, I am torn. On one hand he chose rockstar and not NRA. If I was scum I would have definatly choosen NRA over RS. you dont have bodygaurds checking into you and you get to kill as many people as possible before you are found out. But as I mentioned his trying to manipulate the position of the inventor seems crazy weird, especially when he isn't sure jimbo is scum or not. If jimbo is scum he would have just single handedly fucked the town over with SO much WIFOM. I'm not sure if it has been mentioned in the PM logs linked, but It might be necessary for Jimbo to claim if he took inventor or not in thread, though i hope it doesn't come to this. But at the moment I agree with the majority of the people here. Unless we get some answers from players fast (The DT that checked Meapak and the role of jimbo) I support lynching meapak. This entire senario could have been easily conceived by scum to occur, with meapak hoping that his bodygaurds will vouch for him in the case of his lynch, while keeping inventor in their hands. If meapak flips red, great we know where to go from here. If he flips green, we know that jimbo has got some explaining to do, and rad's DT check was bogus/Framer is in the game. so for the time being ##Vote Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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On October 19 2011 07:07 Kenpachi wrote: Show nested quote + On October 19 2011 07:05 wherebugsgo wrote: On October 19 2011 07:04 Kenpachi wrote: l0l Greymist might be his scumbuddy Yorker kenpachi stop being retarded, if Greymist was a york he wouldn't have bussed meapak. no u Greymist said he was bodyguard no? You realize bodygaurds are choosen randomly from people who recieved no role right? doesnt mean im presumably scum on the same team as meapak. | ||
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That seems pretty game ruining to me. | ||
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On October 19 2011 11:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Meapak looked out from his castle window across his lands. As far as the eye could see there were masses of torches and pitchforks. The anarchists had finally come for his castle and his lands. Sprinkled amongst the angry mob he could see the hooded figures of his enemies who had managed to infiltrate the pathetic mob in order to take him down. Meapak glanced at the clock and sighed, the warrant for his lynch had become operational three minutes ago. "what's taking them so long" he groused. Abandoned by his family, and his body guards Meapak surveyed his ante chamber. The last of his messenger pigeons had been sent out, there was no help coming. His eye fell on his trusty old guitar. Though he didn't play it much anymore, he could still remember a few riffs from his days as a rock star. He plugged the amp into his medevial electricity generation device and cranked the sound as loud as it would go. He heard the front doors come crashing down as he began to belt out the intro to Knights of Cydonia. " Bring it on bitches" Meapak bellowed. So he IS claiming mafia! | ||
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Glad Radfield taught me to be wary of last minute vote changes from LOTR | ||
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I agree with sandroba, something protective in nature would be good. We are in a good position and simply need to stay that way. I recommend making a Full Restore. This potion is so expensive and powerful that it negates all actions targeted on the | ||
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If that is not the case, and there really is a house cheznu, I suspect one of two things to be the case. The first is unlikly can that is that this is a "traitor" house, that wins with any other house. This is unlikely becasue that would mean we start with 14 town against more scum. the other one is that this is a "survivor house." this makes more sense imo, and also can explain foolishness's "lay low attitude" as well as jimbo's desire to get mayor. also this group seems to have no KP (assuming town kp/dreamflower is present), further supporting this fact. | ||
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I haven't seen much of sinani at all this entire game, he is playing far differently than games where we all think he is scum, but is actually town. In this game he has just lurked hardcore. | ||
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On October 21 2011 05:23 supersoft wrote: tbh i lost every interest in this game. i am not scum and hider is a decent defensive role at #18 i can confirm others like eran and i can hide behind guaranteed townies. mig, if you dont answer my pms, i cant do anything. i tried to do something together with palmar. but since genius jackal bombed him away I am completely isolated. + wbg is so annoying, i wont ever play a game with him again. his selfconfidence is just ridiculous when you see his results. if i were scum, this idiot would be dead by now. thats for sure.. maybe not to win, but to have fun in this game. ##Vote Supersoft appeal to emotion, not logic Only defense relys on dead players who can't back up his story attempting to softly redirect to wbg, instead of answering the questions or trying to actually contribute. | ||
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##Vote Sinani206 for the reasons i have already mentioned. | ||
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On October 21 2011 12:17 Kenpachi wrote: Show nested quote + On October 21 2011 12:10 sinani206 wrote: im sorry i have football games 2 nights in a row. im also sorry that i didnt want to play but a replacement couldnt be found. Kenpachi 2.0 disappoints. I never like lynching my clone because the guy ends up flipping town all the time :l The law of averages will eventually catch up. | ||
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On October 21 2011 11:26 Radfield wrote: Its apparent the mods are no longer willing to update the OP. So lets think about this. If Foolish was scum, he was almost certainly Lancaster. That means 1 team is dead. It also explains the missing medic protection from Wiggles on Night 1. He is the only possible player that makes sense for Wiggles to protect. Jimbo I am not sure however. The BB check returned no gun, and his play this game has been fairly pro-town, except for the invention. There is no way that a town-aligned player would create something like BM, and not create something that directly helps town. If Jimbo was scum, he was York as he was for sure not lancaster(got cheese and chaoser killed) and when Foolish was discussing with Decon it seemed apparent that Decon and Jimbo were not on the same team. Foolish told me the night before he died that Jimbo was getting Framed. In fact, here was his final PM: Show nested quote + Since you're not on skype I'll give you some of what I've found out so far. It wasn't my intention to give this to you so late in the night. supersoft is a Tudor. I say this with a 100% probability attached. The remaining Tudor is of the people who picked 1 as their first number (heist, Erandorr, Jaccuzi, sinani, and myself, to be scientifically correct). Also Jimbo is getting framed tonight. Right now I am fairly confidant that Heist, Errandorr and Jaccuzi are town. Foolish is dead(and Lancaster), so that leaves Sinani as the last Tudor. Foolishness was trying to show how 'helpful' he was, so he was feeding me bits of info. I think that with Super and Sinani dying, we're going to see the last of the Tudors. Lancasters are already dead, so that leaves either 1 or 2 Yorkists left, which means only 1 scum KP remaining. Foolish mentions a framer in his PM, and that would certainly explain why Jimbo had no gun when the BB checked him. However if there is a Framer I don't know who it would be. Tudors don't have a Framer, because they would have made Meapak or Decon look town on Night 1. Lancasters don't have a Framer because they are dead, but also because they already had cheese as godfather. So that means if there is a Framer he is York, which fits with the fact that Jimbo was apparently framed. There are very few people at this stage who even COULD be the framer, so we should be able to nail them down quick. Just thought I'd do some theorycrafting We'll see how it all pans out. With all our townside KP and investigations, by morning we should have the last of the scum either dead or caught. I agree that it is likley that jimbo was York. I fail to believe that Meapak would simply "trust" inventor to a random person on day1, especially when he knew that person to not be on his team. the question is if foolishness was part of york as well? because he flipped house cheznu. Anyways, unless supersoft can superkick nukes out of the air and someone can pull a radfield LOTR last minute vote switch, super and sinani are dead today. with that being said rad, who is everyone looking at as well? | ||
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On October 22 2011 18:08 flamewheel wrote: LONG LIVE AMERICA. fixed it for you | ||
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Fun game, I feel like I'm improving somewhat, thanks for hosting! | ||
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October birthdays ftw | ||
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