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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 18 2011 06:48 GMT
#1073
On October 18 2011 14:22 Foolishness wrote:
I'm going to try to get everyone who mentioned me in this post, and say everything of relevance. I can't answer everything at once so don't get all pissy if I only answered 9 out of 10 of your questions. In no particular order:
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On October 18 2011 12:23 Mig wrote:
Right now I lean town on Sand I won't deny I have some suspicions but he has been very open with me on skype and actually helped me scum hunt and regardless there are clear better targets.

Right now I really do not like wiggles, meapak or foolish.

Foolish your entire goal and all your play day1 was centered around not getting shot. Well now that that has happened maybe you could actually post your opinions and thoughts on people? It really doesn't matter if you survive in the game if you are completely useless constantly. Your support of greymist over a more experienced candidate was also hella shady. If scum were playing optimally the last thing they would want is me or radfield protected, greymist would be a much safer choice for them to push.

No, my plan was not centered around getting shot. My plan was centered on getting shit done because I assumed I would be shot. Of any of the candidates proposed so far I'd vote for sandroba, but this isn't news to anyone. But speaking of him, you say that he's been open on skype and helped you scum hunt. Believe it or not there are some people who would be able to vouch that for me too. But that's not what this is about. I'll give you my situation is worse than his because he was active at the beginning of day 1 and was proven to be very involved in the ongoings of the town. However since then he's done zilch in the thread besides respond with witty and snarky comments (he learned from me!!!).

Enough about this Greymist crap. That's a sorry excuse to use as gunpowder. I am not the only one who voted for Greymist or agreed that he should be elected, many others expressed the same concerns that I did. The Radfield/sandroba/syllogism/Mig group (hence know as the "Radfield Group" in this post) seemed to easy to be under mafia influence. Greymist showed to me that he had honest intentions for the town and that he was competent enough to use them. And I'm not the only one he did this to. Radfield had honest intentions for the town but I couldn't help but think he was being manipulated by mafia.

And I kept telling people that it's very likely there's a mafia in Radfield's group. And everyone I told this to said, "no, I've talked with them all in PM, they all townies". Finally days later Radfield tells me:

[7:12:07 PM] Mike Hadfield (Radfield): my little group
[7:12:07 PM] Mike Hadfield (Radfield): has a little leak
[7:12:08 PM] Mike Hadfield (Radfield): in my opinion

Also don't forget in Radfield's recent post he said "OK, we have a problem town."

Yeah I tried to warn you guys about this happening but nobody listened and everyone chose to point fingers instead. You guys have only yourself to blame as to why Palmar seems to know everything about everyone, despite the fact that nobody seems to be talking to him.

I voted for Greymist because I knew he wouldn't let something like that happened. I'm pretty sure a few others were thinking along the same lines as me. If Greymist flips town would you still say it was mafia-like to push him into office?

I would also like to say this to Mig, although it may apply to a few others as well, that you are quick to jump on anyone that does anything that is anti-Radfield or anti-sandroba. You say that "If scum were playing optimally the last thing they would want is me or radfield protected" yet you (most likely) cannot 100% prove that Radfield (or sandroba or syllogism or all 3) is town. And even if you could now you couldn't before elections started. Stop sucking up to players in your little blue circle which, in case you forgot, the leader of which claims there's a leak in.

Don't base your arguments around "well he went against Radfield/sandroba/Mig he must be playing for the mafia". Go find your leak before it's too late.
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On October 18 2011 10:37 GreYMisT wrote:
The way I see it is, we all know Foolishness is usually policy shot first day if he is town. Knowing this, he should have been posting like a monster, trying to get as much figured out for the town as possible before he dies. The fact that he has been doing quite the opposite of this worries me.

##Vote Foolishness

I'll agree that I haven't been posting like a monster, but the latter part of the sentence I have been doing. Also I really hope we are all above policy lynching here, we're all good players here, if you want to policy lynch why not role a die to decide who dreamflower is shooting tonight?
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On October 17 2011 22:58 prplhz wrote:
what i don't like about a guy like foolishness is that he's one of those names you hear a lot on this forum, but he hasn't done anything in this game yet. just about all of his posts so far have been him supporting wbg or otherwise talking about wbg related stuff, but the second decon pointed out that they might be connected, they both start distancing themselves for each other. wbg, who actively pushed for foolishness's election now says that foolishness is a null tell because of a bout of inactiveness. foolishness, as you can see in my log says

citing what might be the most obvious flaws in wbg's play, the guy is ALWAYS spontaneous and he NEVER thinks things through and he's ALWAYS so freakin annoying. so why did foolishness even talk to him in the first place? foolishness could have talked to anyone but he mostly decides to just talk to wbg, this seems weird to me unless they are somehow connected. i ask him why he even bothered with wbg in the first place with his obvious character flaws and foolishness says

so foolishness also talked to chaoser and kita in PMs and since he was really busy he must have talked to them quite a bit. they were both scum, but did he talk about that in the thread at all? no. foolishness is supposed to be a guy who picks up on stuff and even though he's actively PMing with two scum he doesn't pick up on ANYTHING. weird.

also he says that he was really busy first day but people might not know. well, if town don't know about your activity then what good is it to us?

he almost knew everything about everybody in the game, but then not really so now he's just lurking it out. wat?!

no pushing his views at all, just saying that meapak is scum. honestly, i've been getting a lot of "meapak is scum" lately so there might be something about it but foolishness' entire argument is 10 words long. sounds like he didn't give it any thoughts at all.

finally there's his connection with wbg that i want to talk about. first wbg struck me as being a lot less chaotic than he used to be but when he changed that i thought that maybe he'd just fallen into his lotr ways where he almost got lynched day1 for being insane. but still, "i'm insane" is not a good excuse for being insane. i get a lot more scummyness from foolishness because of my past experiences with wbg, but the two are so interconnected that one's flip will surely affect my read on the other.

foolishness needs to step it up

##Vote Foolishness

**Note I removed some of the content from prplhz's original post cause of the shear length, please go read his original for the irc logs and for more information.

I'm just going to ignore anything you say relating to wbg, because that has nothing to do with me being scum. Unless you want to accuse both of us being scum, and if that's the case then say so. But have fun trying to make that one work.

Yes I was PMing with chaoser and kitaman. You say I didn't pick up anything but how would you know? I'm not part of the Radfield group, I make sure my information is kept in the right people. Even today I told Radfield a few things and I'm sure the entire town knows by now. You seem to be connected indirectly to the Radfield group and I have no reason to trust you of course you're not going to know anything about me.

And yes, because I was talking to chaoser and kitaman I thought I had an idea on who they were shooting that night. And had it turn out the way I thought it would I would have had a big lead on some mafia, but that's not the way the cookie crumbled. Of course thanks to the Radfield group everyone knew about how chaoser died. drp

What have I done for the town? Let me tell you a few things I have not done. I have not put my blind trust in 3 or more players from the beginning of the game (and consequently not making sure said people know everything I've done including what I'm eating for breakfast). I have not been responsible for Palmar finding out an obscene amount of information he should not know. I have not been part of a town circle that has leaked information. I have not become town leader only to tell the town "oops, we're actually in a bad position because information is spreading faster than Yogi Bear steals picnic baskets."


To anything that Palmar has ever said:
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Aside from sand, who else do you think we should take a closer look at? do you have any other reads you are pushing atm?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 18 2011 06:48 GMT
#1074
I need to start spoilering quotes...
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 18 2011 16:28 GMT
#1095
My only question is why pick rockstar in his position, instead of something like NRA or Meth Man? is there a situation where this would be more advantagious to the mafia?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 18 2011 20:15 GMT
#1125
I'm still rereading everyone's responses, but one thing I can do is confirm that I am indeed a VT, and one of meapak's bodygaurds. I was notified of such right after role selection.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 18 2011 21:05 GMT
#1128
Bodygaurds were told who the rockstar was, Meapak did not tell me who the other one was, so I cannot confirm if it is sandroba or not.

When i first talked with him he told me his plan, which is the same that he present now. However he left out the fact that he knew where the inventor is, It could be him as scum trying to hide his scumbuddy, or it could be him just not giving inventor to a potential scum (me). I did find it odd, however, that he would try to plant inventor with someone off of less than 1 day of analysis on a player. Its easy to appear protown when you dont have anything you need to lie about (Role, night actions, kp ect.)

As far as what i think about his aliengment, I am torn. On one hand he chose rockstar and not NRA. If I was scum I would have definatly choosen NRA over RS. you dont have bodygaurds checking into you and you get to kill as many people as possible before you are found out.

But as I mentioned his trying to manipulate the position of the inventor seems crazy weird, especially when he isn't sure jimbo is scum or not. If jimbo is scum he would have just single handedly fucked the town over with SO much WIFOM. I'm not sure if it has been mentioned in the PM logs linked, but It might be necessary for Jimbo to claim if he took inventor or not in thread, though i hope it doesn't come to this.

But at the moment I agree with the majority of the people here. Unless we get some answers from players fast (The DT that checked Meapak and the role of jimbo) I support lynching meapak. This entire senario could have been easily conceived by scum to occur, with meapak hoping that his bodygaurds will vouch for him in the case of his lynch, while keeping inventor in their hands. If meapak flips red, great we know where to go from here. If he flips green, we know that jimbo has got some explaining to do, and rad's DT check was bogus/Framer is in the game.

so for the time being ##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 18 2011 21:07 GMT
#1130
Only NKVD reveals family, and kenpachi claimed to have used that on deconudo
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 18 2011 22:02 GMT
#1145
I think he is saying bullet bill returns red if you are mafia
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 18 2011 22:23 GMT
#1161
On October 19 2011 07:07 Kenpachi wrote:
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On October 19 2011 07:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 19 2011 07:04 Kenpachi wrote:
l0l Greymist might be his scumbuddy Yorker


kenpachi stop being retarded, if Greymist was a york he wouldn't have bussed meapak.

no u
Greymist said he was bodyguard no?


You realize bodygaurds are choosen randomly from people who recieved no role right? doesnt mean im presumably scum on the same team as meapak.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 18 2011 23:04 GMT
#1183
The problem with that is what if a scum team member contacted you for a chat thinking you were on their team?
That seems pretty game ruining to me.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 18 2011 23:15 GMT
#1188
I mean what did you do exactly? wait for them to contact you or just message random people saying "Sup Broham? I lost the link to the QT you dig?"
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 19 2011 01:46 GMT
#1217
Isnt there like 15 minutes till the lynch?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 19 2011 02:17 GMT
#1222
On October 19 2011 11:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Meapak looked out from his castle window across his lands. As far as the eye could see there were masses of torches and pitchforks. The anarchists had finally come for his castle and his lands. Sprinkled amongst the angry mob he could see the hooded figures of his enemies who had managed to infiltrate the pathetic mob in order to take him down. Meapak glanced at the clock and sighed, the warrant for his lynch had become operational three minutes ago. "what's taking them so long" he groused. Abandoned by his family, and his body guards Meapak surveyed his ante chamber. The last of his messenger pigeons had been sent out, there was no help coming. His eye fell on his trusty old guitar. Though he didn't play it much anymore, he could still remember a few riffs from his days as a rock star. He plugged the amp into his medevial electricity generation device and cranked the sound as loud as it would go. He heard the front doors come crashing down as he began to belt out the intro to Knights of Cydonia. " Bring it on bitches" Meapak bellowed.


So he IS claiming mafia!
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 19 2011 03:17 GMT
#1238
I was sure decondou was scum because he just stopped being here when the nuke went off, but meapak had me doubting the lynch for a second.
Glad Radfield taught me to be wary of last minute vote changes from LOTR
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 19 2011 04:53 GMT
#1243
Well, i hope your testosterone levels have gone down now that that is out of the way.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 19 2011 05:12 GMT
#1250
He lost his passion years ago
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#1259
Whatever you make we can't use it until tomorrow right?
I agree with sandroba, something protective in nature would be good. We are in a good position and simply need to stay that way.

I recommend making a Full Restore. This potion is so expensive and powerful that it negates all actions targeted on the pokemon Player. In order for the hosts to accept it you might have to have it roleblock the player as well (makes sense as you cant attack the same turn you use an item )
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 20 2011 04:31 GMT
#1288
Something defiantly weird is going on. but first a question Can the invention be used the same night it is created? or is it given to its recipient with the day post? This will determine wether or not the invention "bill murray" caused the flips to look like this.

If that is not the case, and there really is a house cheznu, I suspect one of two things to be the case. The first is unlikly can that is that this is a "traitor" house, that wins with any other house. This is unlikely becasue that would mean we start with 14 town against more scum. the other one is that this is a "survivor house." this makes more sense imo, and also can explain foolishness's "lay low attitude" as well as jimbo's desire to get mayor. also this group seems to have no KP (assuming town kp/dreamflower is present), further supporting this fact.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 20 2011 16:12 GMT
#1302
It is possible one of those three could have framer, or perhaps something like Vote Rigger.
I haven't seen much of sinani at all this entire game, he is playing far differently than games where we all think he is scum, but is actually town. In this game he has just lurked hardcore.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 20 2011 20:00 GMT
#1308
I agree, killing sinani is our best bet. He is both likely to flip scum, and has been extremely unhelpful to town.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 20 2011 20:36 GMT
#1316
On October 21 2011 05:23 supersoft wrote:
tbh i lost every interest in this game. i am not scum and hider is a decent defensive role at #18
i can confirm others like eran and i can hide behind guaranteed townies.
mig, if you dont answer my pms, i cant do anything.
i tried to do something together with palmar. but since genius jackal bombed him away I am completely isolated.
+ wbg is so annoying, i wont ever play a game with him again. his selfconfidence is just ridiculous when you see his results.

if i were scum, this idiot would be dead by now. thats for sure.. maybe not to win, but to have fun in this game.


##Vote Supersoft
appeal to emotion, not logic
Only defense relys on dead players who can't back up his story
attempting to softly redirect to wbg, instead of answering the questions or trying to actually contribute.

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