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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
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October 15 2011 04:34 GMT
#662
On October 15 2011 12:01 chaoser wrote:
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On October 15 2011 11:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On October 15 2011 11:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 15 2011 11:34 chaoser wrote:
On October 15 2011 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
Raise your hand if you believe chaoser is scum and is using bad logic to try and get a possible townie lynched

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o/


Says the guy who tried to mine me for info and then when I asked him back he declined to reply. So who would you rather lynch? hiro?


I think you're smart enough to figure out both who I would want to lynch and why I gave you very little information.

You've been rather defensive in your last several posts wbg. Rather than acting like you're above us all, why don't you tell us who you want to lynch since it seems like you have someone in mind.


I think he's trying to say that he wants to lynch me


DINGDINGDING

we have a winner scum!

Without further ado, I shall present to you all:

wherebugsgo's Traveling Circus
Featuring:
The Scum of the Day


Ladies and gents, Tudors and Lancasters, Commoners and Yorkers+ Show Spoiler +
(and anyone I may have missed inbetween, *wink* *wink*)
our scum of the day is none other thaaaan:

CHAOSER!

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cue applause


yaaaaaay go chaoser yaaaaay clap clap clap clap

For his first trick, chaoser displays: contradiction!

Observe carefully as he says that he will support sandroba and Radfield if he doesn't gain ground while seeking election, and then backpedals on Radfield!

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[13:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected?
[13:39] <chaoser> myself
[13:40] <wherebugsgo> and who else?
[13:42] <chaoser> i don't know, i don't trust anyone else enough to want them in an elected role
[13:42] <chaoser> but i feel like that's pretty much how everyone should feel
[13:42] <chaoser> about elections
[13:42] <chaoser> if i really had to
[13:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba
[13:42] <chaoser> or rad
[13:42] <chaoser> it'd force them to keep contributing
[13:43] <wherebugsgo> so wait
[13:43] <wherebugsgo> do you or do you not trust sandroba/radfield?
[13:44] <chaoser> i trust them as much as i can shake a thumb at them but since I don't know if they're 100% town I'm weary

[13:44] <chaoser> who are you goign to vote for?
[13:45] <wherebugsgo> mmm
[13:45] <wherebugsgo> probably syllo
[13:45] <chaoser> the syllo mig team?
[13:45] <chaoser> they're running together btw
[13:46] <wherebugsgo> yeah, I know
[13:46] <chaoser> k
[13:46] <chaoser> so you trust both of them?
[13:46] <wherebugsgo> syllo is my strongest town read atm, yes
[13:46] <wherebugsgo> and Mig is pretty up there too
[13:48] <chaoser> is this from thread
[13:48] <chaoser> or PMs?
[13:49] <wherebugsgo> PMs mostly
[13:49] <wherebugsgo> PMs and thread for syllo


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This was early yesterday, when I believed syllo and Mig were town. Today, I am unsure and I will get to this later


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[18:47] <chaoser> they are?
[19:20] <chaoser> where did they say that?
[19:34] <wherebugsgo> wait what? sorry
[19:34] <wherebugsgo> I don't know what you're referring to because this IRC window is fresh
[19:34] <wherebugsgo> so I have nothing from the previous session
[19:34] <chaoser> [18:57] <wherebugsgo> so sandroba and radfield were planning on running together?\
[19:34] <chaoser> i was at work
[19:35] <wherebugsgo> they said that earlier in IRC I believe
[19:35] <wherebugsgo> now sandroba supports syllo
[19:35] <chaoser> ok
[19:35] <wherebugsgo> so you would still support Radfield for office
[19:35] <wherebugsgo> if you didn't gain any ground?
[19:36] <chaoser> if i don't gain any ground i'll vote syllo
[19:37] <wherebugsgo> why the change of heart?
[19:38] <chaoser> i didn't have a change of heart?
[19:38] <chaoser> i said i woudl vote sandroba
[19:38] <chaoser> if he ran
[19:39] <chaoser> he said he's not running
[19:39] <chaoser> and that he suports syllo
[19:39] <chaoser> where is the change of heart in that?
[19:40] <wherebugsgo> you said you'd support radfield or sandroba
[19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected?
[19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> if i really had to
[19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba
[19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> or rad
[19:41] <wherebugsgo> yep
[19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected?
[19:41] == No such nick: chaoser
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> so now
[19:42] == No such nick: chaoser
[19:42] <chaoser> ok apparently if i copy paste the log
[19:42] <chaoser> i get disconencted
[19:42] <chaoser> but go look
[19:42] <chaoser> in the logs
[19:42] <chaoser> where do i say
[19:42] <chaoser> i'm voting radfield?
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> you say you want sandroba or rad
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> elected
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> not syllo
[19:42] <chaoser> i never said that
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> yes you did you just copied it
[19:42] <wherebugsgo> [19:41] <chaoser> [16:37] <wherebugsgo> chaoser who do you want elected? [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> if i really had to [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> i'd say sandroba [19:41] <chaoser> [16:42] <chaoser> or rad
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> sandroba, or rad
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> sandroba's gone
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> so that leaves rad
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> why syllo and not rad?
[19:43] <chaoser> oh ok, i thought you meant like a combo
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> what?
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> you said OR
[19:43] <wherebugsgo> how the hell is that a combo
[19:44] <chaoser> yeah i know, you said are you voting for rad?

[19:44] <wherebugsgo> ok brb custom
[19:44] <chaoser> ?
[19:44] <chaoser> what's custom
[19:45] <wherebugsgo> sc2
[19:45] <chaoser> ...
[19:48] <chaoser> i meant to say that if i had to vote otherwise besides myself i would vote sand or rad but that i didn't fully 100% trust either one of them. I believe sandroba to be townish and radfield I'm not sure about, hence why previously I had said a null read on him. At the time, those were the only two people I were thinking and I didn't notice syllo at all. After talkign to sandroba about it, I
[19:48] <chaoser> reread syllo's posts and they seemed decently protownie to me. That is why
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> okay
[21:00] == No such nick: chaoser


Chaoser says he'll vote sandroba or Radfield if he himself doesn't gain much ground, then completely avoids Radfield like the plague.

He even says "oh I thought you meant combo" when he himself said sandroba OR radfield, never sandroba AND radfield.

Weird, eh?

What else has Chaoser got to show us?

It looks like....

Using past games to "prove" a point!

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On October 14 2011 12:27 chaoser wrote:
[image loading]

Chaoser For Mayor!


I will hunt every scum down. My record in XXXVIII, XXXIX and LOTR speaks for itself. I will lead this town to victory. Vote Chaoser.



Then calling out supersoft for using similar logic for supporting someone else for mayor!

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On October 15 2011 05:59 chaoser wrote:
Your only criteria for voting for someone is that you've played in previously PM games with them and that they are active all the time?



There are other things too, but I've stopped here because I have been in IRC this entire time and have lost my focus on this post. I'll clarify more things/reasons if anyone wants me to. (I'm on IRC)

Here's a conversation we just had in which chaoser provides reasons as to why he's playing the way he's playing:

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[20:47] <chaosers> yo
[20:48] <wherebugsgo> sup
[20:49] <chaosers> why do you think i'm mafia?
[20:49] <wherebugsgo> you'll find out soon enough
[20:49] <wherebugsgo> besides DB who do you want lynched?
[20:49] <wherebugsgo> and why?
[20:49] <chaosers> hiro
[20:49] <chaosers> rafield
[20:49] <chaosers> anyone saying mafia won't run for office
[20:50] <chaosers> basically
[20:50] <wherebugsgo> okay
[20:50] <wherebugsgo> so why hiro?
[20:50] <wherebugsgo> besides that
[20:50] <wherebugsgo> it can't be the only reason lol
[20:50] <chaosers> I would like to nominate the 3 most active and protown people as of right now, and that would be:
[20:50] <chaosers> Sandroba
[20:50] <chaosers> Jumbo
[20:50] <chaosers> Radfield
[20:50] <chaosers> All three put a lot of effort into organizing town so far. By putting them in public office, We pressure them to keep up there performance. Of the three, I like Sand and Rad the most, Jumbo the least.
[20:51] <chaosers> chaoser or wiggles dont have a platform, so i see no reason to elect them. They could change my mind, if they give me a reason to.
[20:51] <chaosers> stuff like that
[20:51] <chaosers> no, they dont have platforms, but I was putting out who I would like to run based on there performance this game so far.
[20:51] <chaosers> I look up to you and your play as something to emulate, and while your past performance in leading town is impressive, you haven't done much of that this game. Or perhaps i should say your number 4 behind sand/jumbo/rad. I might vote for you, but you got to give me more reasons
[20:51] <chaosers> then he says
[20:51] <chaosers> I am of the opinion that the scum teams wont try running for mayor unless they have some role combo that would stop DT checks (I doubt all three would have this). maybe 2 out of 3. maybe.
[20:52] <chaosers> by that logic
[20:52] <chaosers> i'd be least likely to have a combo role
[20:52] <wherebugsgo> so again, other than the fact that he overlooked the fact that several roles in the game have the ability to be strong as scum in office, why is hiro scum?
[20:52] <chaosers> since i'm 19
[20:53] <chaosers> cool, Im voting for Radfield.
[20:53] <chaosers> My dream picks are Rad/mig for Mayor/pardoner right now. Both have put a good amount of effort into the thread or PMs. Both are good scumhunters (Well I dont know about Rad, Im going of reputation. but Mig is for sure).
[20:53] <chaosers> My only hang up about Mig is that prior to getting his role, he showed no interest into becoming Mayor. I might be overly paranoid, but I dont think any scum would have been gunning for the Mayor slot until they got there role.
[20:53] <chaosers> he says he's vointg for rad
[20:53] <chaosers> and immediately pairs him with mig
[20:53] <chaosers> who is a lot more townie
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> sooo
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't really see you
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> providing reasons
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> just saying he likes Radfield and Mig for office
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> so he's scum?
[20:55] <wherebugsgo> lol
[20:56] <chaosers> if you're going to tunnel me
[20:56] <chaosers> then tunnel me
[20:56] <chaosers> you've played games where i've played mafia
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> I've played one game
[20:57] <chaosers> ask yourself if my play this game is a result of me being mafia or a product of being overworked, underslept, and out of my element
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> where you're scum
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> uhh lol
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> don't get all emotional with me
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> that shit doesn't work
[20:57] <chaosers> i ain't getting emotional
[20:57] <chaosers> that's my excuse for my play
[20:57] <chaosers> take it or leave it
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> well, you're pulling in outside of game excuses
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> for your play
[20:57] <chaosers> indeed i am
[20:57] <wherebugsgo> you really think that's going to help your case, then so be it
[20:58] <chaosers> it's called emta
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> however
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> your meta would suggest that you are scum this game
[20:58] <chaosers> from the one game you played with me/
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> no
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> primarily from what I saw in LOTR when you were town
[20:58] <chaosers> you mean at the end of that game?
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> as town you don't seem to back off when you think someone is scm
[20:58] <wherebugsgo> yep
[20:59] <chaosers> did i back off from people when i was scum in that one game where i was mafia?
[20:59] <wherebugsgo> you bussed in that game
[20:59] <chaosers> have i EVER backed off people?
[20:59] <wherebugsgo> other than that
[21:00] <chaosers> so all of a sudden i decide it's ok in my play
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> you pushed DB
[21:00] <chaosers> to back off people
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> sorry, Pyo
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> as a mislynch
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> you push bad townies
[21:00] <wherebugsgo> as scum
[21:00] <chaosers> that's like every scum,at least this time after talkign to people
[21:00] <chaosers> i acknowledge
[21:00] <chaosers> he was bad lynch
[21:00] <chaosers> and gave up on it
[21:01] <chaosers> if i had kept pushing it i can understand
[21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:02] <chaosers> just
[21:02] <chaosers> whatever
[21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:02] <chaosers> clearly nothing i say
[21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:02] <chaosers> will convince you otherwise
[21:02] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:02] <chaosers> lol
[21:03] <wherebugsgo> trololool
[21:03] <chaosers> trololol
[21:04] <wherebugsgo> oh btw
[21:04] <wherebugsgo> XLIV doesn't apply as much here, since you decided you'd bus Mig as your plan from day 1
[21:04] <wherebugsgo> bussing doesn't really work here when you have 3 scumteams and each team is made of 4 players each
[21:04] <chaosers> you know you could go look at every other game
[21:04] <chaosers> i've palyed mafia
[21:05] <chaosers> besides that one right?
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> so whether your meta as scum applies from XLIV here doesn't matter
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> no, actually, there's no game where someone as scum (for good players, anyway) will apply here
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> really we can only use town meta
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> because that's what will be consistent
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> scum meta is going to be useless because even scum in this game will want to "scumhunt"
[21:05] <chaosers> ok so in a game
[21:05] <chaosers> that's soooo easy
[21:05] <wherebugsgo> in XLIV you bussed Mig two days in a row, so your "meta" there is largely useless
[21:05] <chaosers> to scumhunt
[21:06] <chaosers> you'd think
[21:06] <chaosers> i'd be a lot better at it huh?
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> in this game?
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> yeah definitely
[21:06] <chaosers> yeah
[21:06] <chaosers> in this game
[21:06] <chaosers> yeah
[21:06] <chaosers> but i didn't
[21:06] <chaosers> if i was mafia, i'd be living it up
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> I'd think you'd actually put some heart into it if you were town
[21:06] <chaosers> it' be liek bussing mafia that weren't even on my team
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> wtf?
[21:06] <chaosers> by bussing i mean
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> yes, kinda
[21:06] <chaosers> i'd be hunting mafia
[21:06] <wherebugsgo> you would get towncred
[21:06] <chaosers> like it was going out of fashion
[21:07] <chaosers> yeah
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> but
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> you'd still have an agenda
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> and your agenda is apparent
[21:07] <chaosers> i understan that's like WIFOM
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> you want to lynch people who appear scummy
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> hiro and DB are fucking terrible lynches and you'd know that if you were town
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> you saw XLIV and how bad they both played
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> DB as medic and hiro as VT
[21:07] <chaosers> i don't even remember hiro
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> hiro fakeclaimed vet
[21:07] <chaosers> as a player
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> and DB claimed DT? into medic
[21:07] <wherebugsgo> and then got himself shot
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> cause he was dumb.
[21:08] <chaosers> i remember someone doing that but not who it was
[21:08] <chaosers> but now i do
[21:08] <chaosers> so thanks
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> now he's doing something dumb again and you jump all over him as if that's some sort of huge tell that he's scum
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> same with hiro
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> hiro is being standard hiro for all intents and purposes
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> and you want to lynch him because he's "scummy" without actually providing real reasons
[21:08] <wherebugsgo> if you were town
[21:08] <chaosers> he said
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> you would recognize that these two players are both known for this kind of play
[21:09] <chaosers> that he thinks mafia would run for office
[21:09] <chaosers> unless they have combos
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> and you would give them time
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> he thinks they would NOT run for office
[21:09] <chaosers> um, i'm sorry but i'm not super jesus with a memory of 100
[21:09] <chaosers> i on't remember bad palyers
[21:09] <chaosers> the only bad player i remember
[21:09] <chaosers> is kenpachi
[21:09] <chaosers> cause i got him lynched once as town
[21:09] <chaosers> and he was town
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> you just played a game
[21:09] <chaosers> and lsot us the game
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> full of bad players
[21:09] <wherebugsgo> in LoTR
[21:10] <chaosers> yeah, and i only remember the last few poeple
[21:10] <chaosers> heist
[21:10] <chaosers> and trancestorm
[21:10] <chaosers> mostly trancesotrm
[21:10] <wherebugsgo> and Drazerk
[21:10] <chaosers> i will never play with that guy again
[21:10] <chaosers> drazerk protected my ass
[21:10] <chaosers> i high five him
[21:10] <wherebugsgo> he also protted iGrok
[21:10] <wherebugsgo> the "survivor Balrog"
[21:10] <chaosers> yeah that was really stupid...
[21:10] <chaosers> hey, i actually thought iGRok was actualyl th balrog
[21:10] <wherebugsgo> and also believed kita's tracker claim IIRC rofl
[21:11] <chaosers> everyon believd his claim
[21:11] <wherebugsgo> and by everyone, you mean all the townies who were left
[21:11] <wherebugsgo> and almost all of them were bad to some extent at least lol
[21:11] <wherebugsgo> heist believes any claim
[21:11] <chaosers> um, it was day 2 when he claimed
[21:11] <chaosers> i tihnk
[21:11] <wherebugsgo> no it was later than that
[21:11] <chaosers> day 3
[21:12] <wherebugsgo> all the good townies were dead by that point
[21:12] <wherebugsgo> but anyway
[21:12] <wherebugsgo> I think you're a good player as town
[21:12] <wherebugsgo> which is why I seriously question your motives
[21:12] <wherebugsgo> when you push DB and hiro
[21:12] <chaosers> jesus that was such a shit game...
[21:12] <chaosers> mafia were so stacked with good palyers...
[21:13] <chaosers> jackal things hiro is a good lynch too>
[21:15] <chaosers> mig agrees that peopel who said mafia aren't running in elections is scummy as well?
[21:15] <chaosers> i talke to both of them before i decided on hiro
[21:15] <chaosers> this was after the DB thing
[21:16] <wherebugsgo> 1. the other things that Jackal and Mig have done/said are not quite as scummy as what you have done
[21:16] <chaosers> i was out of it from work
[21:16] <wherebugsgo> 2. they actually have good reasons
[21:16] <wherebugsgo> and can provide them
[21:16] <wherebugsgo> 3. they have some original opinions.
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> I can't find anything that you've said that hadn't already been said by some other person in the game already
[21:17] <chaosers> i've been in the ER for like 15 hours
[21:17] <chaosers> in the past three days
[21:17] <chaosers> + med school classes
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> dude
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> a lot of us have school too
[21:17] <chaosers> i'm sorry that i haven't been puttign in my 100%
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> I don't care what's going on outside of game
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> if that's an issue
[21:17] <chaosers> did you have to hold someone's liver for three hours straight?
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> request a replacement
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> do I care?
[21:17] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:18] <chaosers> apparently you don't
[21:18] <wherebugsgo> this game isn't about sparing who I have the most sympathy for
[21:18] <wherebugsgo> this game is about finding scum and killing them
[21:18] <chaosers> i'm not saying
[21:18] <chaosers> pity me
[21:18] <chaosers> i'm saying
[21:18] <wherebugsgo> certainly sounds like it lol
[21:18] <chaosers> whether i'm scum or not
[21:18] <chaosers> wil lbe clear
[21:18] <chaosers> in a ay or two
[21:18] <chaosers> especailly after elections
[21:18] <wherebugsgo> "oh look at how much work I've been doing irl please let me live"
[21:18] <chaosers> sigh
[21:18] <wherebugsgo> lol
[21:18] <chaosers> your arguement against me
[21:19] <chaosers> is that i'm not playing up to snuff
[21:19] <chaosers> my defense is that i know i'm not
[21:19] <chaosers> and this is the reason why
[21:19] <wherebugsgo> so you think
[21:19] <wherebugsgo> we should lynch hiro/DB instead of you?
[21:19] <wherebugsgo> or Radfield lol
[21:19] <chaosers> i think radfield
[21:19] <chaosers> actually
[21:19] <chaosers> i don't think
[21:19] <chaosers> i nee to reread the thread
[21:19] <chaosers> when i'm not dea tired
[21:19] <chaosers> and then talk to people
[21:19] <wherebugsgo> loool
[21:19] <chaosers> restart the game
[21:20] <wherebugsgo> you have like
[21:20] <wherebugsgo> 24 hours tomorrow
[21:20] <wherebugsgo> it's a saturday
[21:20] <wherebugsgo> if you're really this tired you'll have plenty of time to save yourself!
[21:20] <chaosers> hospitals don't clsoe on weekends btw, but i'll only be busy from 5AM-9AM
[21:21] <chaosers> how old are you -_-
[21:21] <chaosers> to compare school to med school is ridiculous...
[21:21] <wherebugsgo> I'm a physics/linguistics undergrad at UC Berkeley
[21:21] <wherebugsgo> don't try to use the school excuse on me lol
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> I realize that med school is hard
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> but it's a pathetic excuse
[21:22] <chaosers> come to med school, see our 80 hour work week
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> dude
[21:22] <chaosers> that's liek average
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> if you're so bogged down
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> why the hell are you playing mafia?
[21:22] <wherebugsgo> if this is real I can't imagine you're even enjoying the game
[21:22] <chaosers> i wasn't expecting to be this bogge down
[21:22] <chaosers> one of my coworkers
[21:22] <chaosers> is out sick
[21:22] <chaosers> so i had to take their shift for this week
[21:23] <chaosers> i'll be free all of next week
[21:23] <chaosers> from shifts
[21:23] <chaosers> since he'll be back
[21:23] <wherebugsgo> zZz
[21:23] <chaosers> and covering all of mine
[21:23] <chaosers> and no
[21:23] <chaosers> i'm not enjoyign this game
[21:23] <chaosers> rightn ow
[21:23] <wherebugsgo> I would think if you were town you'd probably request replacement lol
[21:23] <wherebugsgo> but whatever
[21:23] <chaosers> you know, you could try being a little bit less of a condescending ass
[21:23] <wherebugsgo> I'm being condescending?
[21:23] <wherebugsgo> rofl
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> I'm not saying I'm better than you
[21:24] <chaosers> with the zZzs and lol's
[21:24] <chaosers> ?
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> I'm just saying this is really underhanded
[21:24] <chaosers> patronizing
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> it's total bullshit IMO
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> to be using IRL excuses in a game of psychology
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> and in fact
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> anyone who does so
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> IMO
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> and then doesn't do anything about it
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> is insta scum
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> you seem to be completely apathetic
[21:24] <chaosers> i am doing somthing about it
[21:24] <wherebugsgo> what, exactly?
[21:24] <chaosers> i talk to gm
[21:24] <chaosers> ed
[21:24] <chaosers> about getting him to replace me
[21:25] <wherebugsgo> GM?
[21:25] <chaosers> but that's outsie the game
[21:25] <wherebugsgo> GM is not hosting this game lol
[21:25] <chaosers> yeah
[21:25] <chaosers> but he said
[21:25] <wherebugsgo> and he's not able to play either
[21:25] <chaosers> he's in charge
[21:25] <chaosers> of somestuff
[21:25] <chaosers> yeah


Other people who would make a good lynch today:

sandroba
prplhz

People who need to die at some point:
Radfield
Meapak

People who are scummy:
supersoft
wiggles
arctocod


People who are null or just plain unreadable atm:
Mig
Syllogism
Jimbo
Scamp
Jackal
hiro
Node


Everyone else is some combination of null/town to me atm. There are a few players I haven't really talked to yet and am not yet concerned about. These players I expect to either be modkilled or to be relevant issues later in the game.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 04:42 GMT
#663
Oh forgot to mention Kenpachi is also null but he's always null so I guess that goes without saying.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 06:15 GMT
#667
I too encouraged GreYMisT to run for mayor. I think he's very likely to be town, he's very unlikely to abuse the power of either Mayor or Pardoner, and it would be nice to have him in office rather than one of the current mayoral candidates.

Another person I would support for office would be Foolishness. As of now he is not running, and I would not like to split the vote. However, I will support GreYMisT/Foolishness for the two elected offices and no one else, unless I am given ample reason to believe why neither of these players should be there.

I encourage you all to vote GreYMisT/Foolishness so we have two townies who are viable candidates. Radfield and Mig are sub-par candidates in comparison. Jimbo is not bad, but it is unclear whether or not he is a good candidate for elected office. Also, he is #3 on the draft list and I don't think it'd be a great idea to put someone that high on the draft list in office when we aren't all sure of whether he is town or not.

In the interest of getting one of these players elected I will not vote Foolishness unless significant numbers of people pull their votes off Radfield and Mig. At least one of these two players needs to be in office IMO, and that's better than voting them both before one of them has gained ground.

For those aforementioned reasons,

##vote GreYMisT for Mayor!

If anyone has questions regarding my logic or why I think GreYMisT/Foolishness should be in office, feel free to PM me. Also, I would highly suggest all the players in the game PM these two players if you have not done so already.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 06:58 GMT
#672
On October 15 2011 15:52 Scamp wrote:
WBG why are you so sure that Foolishness is town?

Dropbear I really don't like your logic. How can you say that about "several" of the current candidates and then vote for Greymist?


Through PMs, basically. Primarily the same reasons I believe GreYMisT is town. If you'd like to find out for yourself you can PM Foolishness yourself.

I also think he'd be a good candidate for mayor because he's so damn low on the draft pick list. It's unlikely that he has a role that would be really dangerous for town in an elected position, even as scum. Foolishness generally makes a really good scumhunter by day 2 or 3, and he'll do that regardless of alignment IMO because of the nature of this game.

However, he IS townie to me and so I believe he deserves this position more than anyone who had committed their candidacies earlier. The only other player I feel so strongly about atm is GreYMisT.

AFAIK no one actually thinks GreYMisT is scum. Foolishness I don't know what people think about, but it'd be useful for them to PM him.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 07:33 GMT
#676
Scamp, let me ask you this:

why are you never in IRC?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 08:36 GMT
#679
syllogism you are really dumb, honestly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 09:03 GMT
#682
After some extended and heated discussion in PMs I think it's best that this go in the thread.

Currently, Radfield leads the mayoral candidacy with 6 votes.

HOWEVER, Radfield is a terrible candidate and should NOT be allowed into office. If you are voting Radfield please strongly reconsider your vote and take your vote off of him. Vote GreyMist or Mig instead.

The optimal situation is if we can get Mig/Greymist to 7/8 votes each. We need both of these guys elected to office. I think both are town, and we need townies in office, not Radfield.

Currently I suspect any voters on Radfield, and I will continue to do so until you have provided adequate reason for me to think you are not suspicious.

I repeat, WE CANNOT ALLOW RADFIELD TO BE ELECTED.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 09:49 GMT
#684
wtf

are you dumb or scum, prpl?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 10:28 GMT
#687
On October 15 2011 19:11 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 18:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
After some extended and heated discussion in PMs I think it's best that this go in the thread.

Currently, Radfield leads the mayoral candidacy with 6 votes.

HOWEVER, Radfield is a terrible candidate and should NOT be allowed into office. If you are voting Radfield please strongly reconsider your vote and take your vote off of him. Vote GreyMist or Mig instead.

The optimal situation is if we can get Mig/Greymist to 7/8 votes each. We need both of these guys elected to office. I think both are town, and we need townies in office, not Radfield.

Currently I suspect any voters on Radfield, and I will continue to do so until you have provided adequate reason for me to think you are not suspicious.

I repeat, WE CANNOT ALLOW RADFIELD TO BE ELECTED.


You keep saying that but you haven't given any reasons why. Apart from draft position what makes greymist a better candidate? If its just gut instinct, why should I go by yours instead of my own?


It's not gut instinct.

Have you even PMed GreYMisT?

What makes Radfield a better choice than Mig?

What makes Radfield a good mayor choice? lol...

Honestly I find it weird that at 3 of my strongest scum reads are voting him right now. Either Radfield is a townie and some scum are tying themselves to him, or he's scum and they're trying to get him into office.

I have no idea why kenpachi is voting him though. Kenpachi's just weird I guess.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 10:35 GMT
#688
also, you don't find it odd that Radfield said that the scumteams would be running candidates for mayor, then he ran himself?

It seems like a good way to relieve suspicion on himself; as scum that's a great way to get yourself into office.

I also don't doubt that Radfield is good at scum seeing as he completely convinced sandroba he was town in LoTR through PMs.

Electing Radfield into office is basically a gamble. We gamble that he's town and he potentially gets protection, or that he's scum and so we get him off the candidacy list. I don't think we can be sure of Radfield's alignment this early in the game and so we should go with the two candidates we CAN be sure of, GreYMisT and Mig.

Mig is really transparent and obvious town, GreYMisT is a relatively new player so I'd find it extraordinarily unlikely he's scum based on the things he's said and done both in thread and in PM.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 10:59 GMT
#693
On October 15 2011 19:37 deconduo wrote:
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On October 15 2011 19:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 15 2011 19:11 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2011 18:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
After some extended and heated discussion in PMs I think it's best that this go in the thread.

Currently, Radfield leads the mayoral candidacy with 6 votes.

HOWEVER, Radfield is a terrible candidate and should NOT be allowed into office. If you are voting Radfield please strongly reconsider your vote and take your vote off of him. Vote GreyMist or Mig instead.

The optimal situation is if we can get Mig/Greymist to 7/8 votes each. We need both of these guys elected to office. I think both are town, and we need townies in office, not Radfield.

Currently I suspect any voters on Radfield, and I will continue to do so until you have provided adequate reason for me to think you are not suspicious.

I repeat, WE CANNOT ALLOW RADFIELD TO BE ELECTED.


You keep saying that but you haven't given any reasons why. Apart from draft position what makes greymist a better candidate? If its just gut instinct, why should I go by yours instead of my own?


It's not gut instinct.

Have you even PMed GreYMisT?

What makes Radfield a better choice than Mig?

What makes Radfield a good mayor choice? lol...

Honestly I find it weird that at 3 of my strongest scum reads are voting him right now. Either Radfield is a townie and some scum are tying themselves to him, or he's scum and they're trying to get him into office.

I have no idea why kenpachi is voting him though. Kenpachi's just weird I guess.


Has greymist even PMed me?

I've played games with Radfield before and I know he's a good scumhunter. I know mig is good too, however I haven't been impressed with mig's posts so far. He seems to be out of it a bit. On top of this Radfield is the only mayoral candidate who took the initiative and PMed me. That was enough to give him my vote.

I haven't a clue who greymist is and his entire campaign is 'Everyone else running is bad lolz' I know you think radfield is scummy but you honestly think he's a better candidate than mig? As far as I can tell he's just some nobody so no way am I voting for him. Never seen him play a game before so why should I vote for him. He has done nothing to convinve me of anything.


I don't see why anyone would ever PM you in this game lol
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 11:57 GMT
#695
Nope, I trust who I trust based on direct interaction with those players.

You trusted Mig because syllo trusted Mig. That's dumb logic.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 18:09 GMT
#726
On October 15 2011 21:24 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 18:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
After some extended and heated discussion in PMs I think it's best that this go in the thread.

Currently, Radfield leads the mayoral candidacy with 6 votes.

HOWEVER, Radfield is a terrible candidate and should NOT be allowed into office. If you are voting Radfield please strongly reconsider your vote and take your vote off of him. Vote GreyMist or Mig instead.

The optimal situation is if we can get Mig/Greymist to 7/8 votes each. We need both of these guys elected to office. I think both are town, and we need townies in office, not Radfield.

Currently I suspect any voters on Radfield, and I will continue to do so until you have provided adequate reason for me to think you are not suspicious.

I repeat, WE CANNOT ALLOW RADFIELD TO BE ELECTED.


Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 19:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
also, you don't find it odd that Radfield said that the scumteams would be running candidates for mayor, then he ran himself?

It seems like a good way to relieve suspicion on himself; as scum that's a great way to get yourself into office.

I also don't doubt that Radfield is good at scum seeing as he completely convinced sandroba he was town in LoTR through PMs.

Electing Radfield into office is basically a gamble. We gamble that he's town and he potentially gets protection, or that he's scum and so we get him off the candidacy list. I don't think we can be sure of Radfield's alignment this early in the game and so we should go with the two candidates we CAN be sure of, GreYMisT and Mig.

Mig is really transparent and obvious town, GreYMisT is a relatively new player so I'd find it extraordinarily unlikely he's scum based on the things he's said and done both in thread and in PM.


Is there an actual argument in here somewhere? Basically what you are saying is that there is a risk I may be scum, and therefore should not be mayor. But what does a scum Radfield as mayor really look like? Fact is, regardless of what you think my alignment is, you should know from my playstyle that I will be hunting scum no matter what. You may think that my role in my hands could be dangerous, but I have a role which can confirm itself(and is shown to NOT be dangerous to town), and works with great synergy as the mayor position.


The point is that I don't know what your alignment is, and I'd rather have someone who is more likely to be town (like Mig, or GreYMisT) than you in office.

The bolded is important; you yourself even imply that it's unknown what a scum mayor Radfield would look like. No one knows. You're pretty good at scum, for all we know you could play massively pro town while pushing your own agenda behind the scenes. No one would notice, especially if you manage to kill off all the more pro-town players by the time it would be relevant.

Lastly I said nothing about your role so I have no idea why you are bringing it up.

On October 15 2011 21:24 Radfield wrote:
You're also completely ignoring the vast upside of having a pro-town Radfield in an elected slot. If I am allowed to live till late-game, which an elected position will grant me, I will undoubtedly be a game changing presence in favor of town. I am clear thinking, good at scum hunting, and excellent at keeping town discussion moving in productive directions. You may think that I can give these benefits without the protection of an elected position, but I will be dead night 1.


I'm not ignoring it. I'm basing this decision on the fact that your alignment is a complete unknown right now. You could be scum or town and we have no way of telling until a reliable DT checks you.

I like how you say a "pro-town Radfield" and not a "town Radfield." There IS a difference in this game.

Frankly I don't care if you live till lategame. The game doesn't revolve around you living or dying. The game revolves around us finding scum. At the moment, I can't tell what you are, so I don't want you in office. Simple as that.

On October 15 2011 21:24 Radfield wrote:
There are 12 players actively opposed to seeing me elected. There are 12 players actively trying to cut me down and reduce my effectiveness. There are 12 players who want me dead and out of this game.

Bugs, if you are NOT one of those 12 player, then you need to shape up and stop doing their work for them. Let me do my job.

Your day 1 scum reads are notoriously poor, yet you always push them with reckless abandon. Take off your scum-goggles, and slow down. In LOTR you had awful reads day 1, and solid reads every day after that(in the dead QT).


Do you even know my reads in this game?

In fact, if you did, you would not say something so stupid. + Show Spoiler +
hint: my #1 scumread for day 1 is chaoser.


Not to mention, I don't know why you're saying my day 1 read in LoTR was bad when it ended up being Sauron (lol)


On October 16 2011 01:58 JACCUZISPLAT wrote:
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On October 15 2011 17:18 syllogism wrote:
This greymist wagon is absolutely scum influenced. I can not believe people like Foolishness would push to elect a new player, especially in this setup. Greymist may still be town, but the intend is clearly to prevent the threat of townie mig being elected.

have you ever identified mig as scum? because all that happens every pm game you 2 play is you work together from the very start.

in kurumi's tf2 mafia with like 5 vets, you claimed to mig day 1. for no other reason that you thought he was town.

I assume you've claimed to mig this game as well. All i want to know is why you think he is town. please.


Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 10:45 hiro protagonist wrote:
cool, Im voting for Radfield.

My dream picks are Rad/mig for Mayor/pardoner right now. Both have put a good amount of effort into the thread or PMs. Both are good scumhunters (Well I dont know about Rad, Im going of reputation. but Mig is for sure).

My only hang up about Mig is that prior to getting his role, he showed no interest into becoming Mayor. I might be overly paranoid, but I dont think any scum would have been gunning for the Mayor slot until they got there role.

this makes me feel better about Jimbo, but I still dont want someone with a #3 pick in office.

Hiro is our lynch today everybody. He doesn't want a powerful role in office(#3 pick). I'm not sure why, maybe because that person could be scum with a powerful role? But then we could just lynch this person right? I just don't understand where he's coming from with that and it just looks like he doesn't want a powerful pick in office because it will be harder to night kill.

I can't trust mig because i have seen nothing that convinces me he is town. Mig is, as far as i can tell, syllogism's mafia hero, so syllo instantly thinks he is town every game.

this leaves us with radfield, jimbo and greymist as viable candidates.

I've established jimbo isn't on the same scumteam as hiro but i'm not sure how town he is.

Radfield is weird. He is obviously an excellent scumhunter(go read the last day of the last pyp for this.), but his posts have an off feeling to them.

Show nested quote +
cool, Im voting for Radfield.

this vote by hiro also comes off as odd. He also said he wants radfield in office because he is a good scumhunter, but he only knows this by representation. Hiro has basically given no reasons to be voting radfield over chaoser or jimbo, both of them also good scumhunters.(I think i know who jimbo is, so that's why im including him). Now either Radfield is scumbuddies with hiro or hiro is just scum putting down an easy vote, but it makes me uneasy of radfield.

Greymist is not experienced enough to be mayor in this game.

Foolishness would have had my vote looking at past games and experience but it seems he's barely playing in this game.

so in conclusion you should still vote me.


If this is red talking, then I can understand why this post sounds like this lol.

I'm pretty sure ON wouldn't be acting the way you're acting.

On October 15 2011 22:07 supersoft wrote:
in xlv wbg had aweful scumreads everyday :D
sorry but i have to agree with radfield there. you should slow it down a little. noone will listen to you if you spam like that. in this game, this playstyle of massive talking doesnt even confirm you as townie if you're right with your accusations. you could very well be a member of a opponent scumteam.
seriously, noone knows 100% sure that mig or rad are town. its a decision based on meta. i didn't vote mig because i think hes more likely town than rad. i vote him because i know him. at this point of the game given a 43% scumrate noone is confirmed by any mean!
we have no influence. All we can do and in my opinion we have to do is voting a mayor that is active and experienced.
if he's scum, we have to control him and we can control him. worst case is an inactive inexperienced and therefor a useless mayor.


So Radfield is saying that I'm spamming?

And I'm scum because I'm talking in the thread too much?

Lol that's funny, like three people approached me yesterday and called me scum for not posting enough in the thread. Ridiculous.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 19:11 GMT
#734
On October 16 2011 04:06 kitaman27 wrote:
By the way, I tracked chaoser to a kill tonight.


LOL
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 19:36 GMT
#739
On October 16 2011 04:24 heist wrote:
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On October 16 2011 04:16 chaoser wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote:
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.



??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable?


I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member.



What the fuuuck

This makes no sense whatsoever to me
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 19:44 GMT
#742
On October 16 2011 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 04:24 heist wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:16 chaoser wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote:
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.



??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable?


I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member.



What the fuuuck

This makes no sense whatsoever to me


Actually I just realized that this sentence is ambiguous.

Heist, do you mean that you don't want us to disregard Radfield because he has the potential to be good scum?

From the way you posted that, it could be interpreted that you don't want Radfield to die, because he could make a very good scum player (which obviously makes no sense)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 19:45 GMT
#743
On October 16 2011 04:44 heist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:24 heist wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:16 chaoser wrote:
On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote:
and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me.

And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable.



??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable?


I'm making the point of the opposite. I don't want him killed off early purely for how good he is as mafia member.



What the fuuuck

This makes no sense whatsoever to me


Should we kill off Radfield just because he's really good as scum no matter how town he acts? No.


Who is suggesting we kill him, though?

All I'm saying is that electing him as Mayor is really high risk. That's a risk I just don't feel comfortable taking.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 22:03 GMT
#782
It's clear that we can't get Radfield off the platform. (or, rather, I can't)

So, instead, I'd prefer Mig to 100% get the mayor role. So, I've switched my vote to Mig.

I'd rather have Mig as Mayor and be assured that we know who the bodyguards are than have Radfield as mayor and be unsure.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 22:43 GMT
#787
On October 16 2011 07:05 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's clear that we can't get Radfield off the platform. (or, rather, I can't)

So, instead, I'd prefer Mig to 100% get the mayor role. So, I've switched my vote to Mig.

I'd rather have Mig as Mayor and be assured that we know who the bodyguards are than have Radfield as mayor and be unsure.


Wait...so you're more sure Mig is town...but want to give radfield the stronger role for mafia if he's mafia?


I think mayor is stronger.

To be honest the difference isn't really that huge, but if the BGs get switched out and Mig gets shot we'll instantly have 2 scum. If Radfield is mayor I can't guarantee we'd know who the BGs are.

Obviously we can't do anything about Radfield not being on the ballot. I'd rather have Mig be the mayor.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 15 2011 23:13 GMT
#790
On October 16 2011 07:49 Arctocod wrote:
this game sucks

I don't really care what you do anymore. People are apparently more interested in trolling than actually playing the game.

Someone can shoot me so I can be confirmed town, and then you can know at least both syllogism and supersoft lied about their roleclaims.


The irony in this post is hilarious
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