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On October 14 2011 08:30 Jackal58 wrote: How do you figure? There are 3 different scum teams all trying to identify their competition. Each one of those teams will be trying to pick a DT role. Well, there are very few situations where an investigative role is better for mafia than a KP role. Why bother investigating a player if you can just shoot him? Role cop/Capitalist/etc are good roles for mafia though, as they allow them to find other strong roles(not alignments) and are good roles for co-ordinating with Assassin/thief/role swapper etc. The pure detective roles like Parity Cop, NKVD and Bullet Bill are next to useless for mafia. | ||
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Also, there is no need for it to be high up on the list, as you might as well actually just grab a role if you are in the top picks. Basically, Copy cat does not directly contribute to town winning. It may, but it doesn't necessarily. On the other hand, investigative + Defensive roles DO directly contribute to town winning, hence them being slotted higher. | ||
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 I am running for mayor I also think the likelihood of Mig being scum is fairly decent. I have never played with Mig before, but have watched him in the last 4 or so games he has played over the last few months. From what I can tell of Mig's town play, he tends to ooze green. He is assertive, vocal, active and generally searching for the optimum pro town strat. However, this game he has been conspicuously absent. I have posed this question to several players, as well as Mig himself. Here is his answer: + Show Spoiler + [10/13/2011 9:12:39 PM] Mig: and personally I dont think I need to latch onto anyone either [10/13/2011 9:12:43 PM] Mig: my play will speak for itself [10/13/2011 9:12:59 PM] Mike Hadfield: Here is my tip for you, if you are in fact town. [10/13/2011 9:13:36 PM] Mike Hadfield: Get into the thread and start building a presense. So far you have very little in the way of contributions, likely because you have been spending a lot of time in Skype. [10/13/2011 9:14:50 PM] Mike Hadfield: 'Mig' in my mind is a player who should be ardently pushing for the most pro-town plan he can find, and looking to optimize any role picking plan. So far you have been conspiciously absent from giving your views in thread on this stuff. [10/13/2011 9:18:59 PM] Mike Hadfield: cat got your tongue?  [10/13/2011 9:21:40 PM] Mig: yes! [10/13/2011 9:21:46 PM] Mike Hadfield: haha [10/13/2011 9:21:48 PM] Mike Hadfield: lol [10/13/2011 9:25:34 PM] Mike Hadfield: lol [10/13/2011 9:25:46 PM] Mike Hadfield: the suspence is killing me.... [10/13/2011 9:25:57 PM] Mig: Sands plan seems fine I discussed it a bit with him but I dont really have anything to add for it [10/13/2011 9:26:00 PM] Mig: rofl sorry [10/13/2011 9:26:04 PM] Mike Hadfield: haha [10/13/2011 9:26:05 PM] Mike Hadfield: lol Basically he spend 10 minutes typing and deleting responses after I made my statement(you can see when people type/delete stuff in skype). In fact, my entire conversation with Mig leads me to believe he is scum. I happy to pass along my skype log to interested parties. Here is another thing. How in the world can Sandro, Syllo and Mig all be 99% sure that the others are town at this stage of the game!? That makes no sense. However, there is one class of player who is eager to accept that other players are town. I'm speaking of course about Scum players. I questioned Mig about how he could be so certain Syllo was town, and he responded by saying that they had a long skype conversation, and despite the fact that most of what they discussed was non game related he is now confident in Syllo's alignment. + Show Spoiler [Mig's response] + [10/13/2011 9:01:48 PM] Mike Hadfield: Here's the real question: Why would you think anyone is for sure town at this state? In a set-up like this, scum can easily pass themselves off as townies, since there are ACTUAL other scum to hunt. No need to fake reads, no need to bullshit. Also, no plan that we have come up with yet is at all a threat to mafia, so they have no problem giving support. [10/13/2011 9:02:10 PM] Mig: yes its nothing game related really [10/13/2011 9:02:33 PM] Mig: its more of I have talked for many hours with syllo when he is scum and town and to me he seems very town f [10/13/2011 9:02:36 PM] Mig: from what I know of him [10/13/2011 9:02:42 PM] Mike Hadfield: so you are willing to make a pro-town read based of 'nothing game related'? [10/13/2011 9:02:43 PM] Mig: certainly more than anyone else right now for me [10/13/2011 9:03:08 PM] Mig: yes because its based on my personal knowledge of syllo [10/13/2011 9:03:47 PM] Mike Hadfield: nothing makes me think a player is scum more than them considering a player town, when there is no reason for them to do so. A Scum player who wants to run for mayor has very legitimate reasons to try and search out strong pro-town players, and latch onto them in a bid for joint candidacy. You then ride the coattails of the strong pro-town player into Office. I believe one or both of Syllo/MIg are attempting to do this. Sandroba, you need to explain yourself as well. Several days ago when we spoke, you indicated you would like to run for mayor, and that you would use your lynch power to kill one of the other players running for mayor. You felt there was a high likelyhood of anyone running for mayor to be scum. However, now you have two players, Mig and Syllo, running for mayor(read:more likely to be scum) who you are willing to go to the wall for and support 100%. That does not jive in my head. The idea that a player can be 99% sure of anyone else's alignment on Day 0 is silly. ANY decent player can use PMs to look like town on Day 1(or in this case day 0/day -1) because there is very very little to actually discuss. Not to mention in this game that problem is compounded, because scum actually have legitimate targets to scum hunt. So, if i'm elected mayor, will i auto-lynch Mig? The answer is no. I agree with Mig on some things, he is not particularly great at playing as scum, and he is good at showing himself as town aligned when he is town. So if he's not oozing green by day 2, we have a likely scum we don't even need a dt check for. This means the threat of him being in office is not great(like he said), but why would we waste an elected role on a player who so far has failed to contribute, and frankly is oozing red. Also, in the off chance Mig is green, he will likely have a strong role(pick #5), and taking a chance killing him at this stage is a poor town move. _____________________ Several players have stated it is a risk to have me in an elected position, because I am good as scum. This is false. If you look at my games as scum, I typically get detected very early on: In Closed Casked mafia I was on 3 or 4 peoples radar on Day 1 In LOTR mafia I was both shot and Dt checked by night 2 IN Salem mafia I was pegged 100% by Dr H, and basically the entire town thought I was scum by the end of the game Contrast that to my town play, and things look very different. I am good enough at establishing myself as a townie that I am generally left unmolested by town and able to do what I am good at, hunting scum. I am almost never up for lynch, and am able to keep town moving in productive directions. ________ Why should I be mayor? 1. Protection. I will die if I am not mayor. Look at games where I survived as town till the endgame, and you will find I was instrumental in the victory. The ability to have a clear thinking, strong townie down the stretch is extremely important. I drafted 11th, this basically means that I will not be receiving medic/doc protection, despite the fact that i have a good role, because we need our protection roles to focus on Meapak tonight. Given the fact that there are 12 players who all actively want me dead, my chances of living through the night are very slim. 2. Ability to find greens. This is my strongest trait as a pro-town player. I am generally very effective at parsing which players are green from the rest of the pack. 3. Ability to find reds. I actively admit there are probably better pure scumhunters than me in this game. However, I have lynched many a scum, and my ability to hunt directly corresponds to how much effort i can put into the game. In case you can't tell, I am putting an enormous amount of effort into this game. I absolutely love PYP games 4. I am not vanilla. I have a role which I will be able to leverage much better if I have the protection of mayor. I feel like I am the best candidate hands down. Assuming you DO NOT want to vote for me, here are my recommendations: Do not vote for Meapak or Jimbo. At picks 1 and 3 they have the ability to be extremely dangerous as mayor. Assuming they are town, meapak will have to rely on medic protection, and Jimbo on his own merits given the threat he has JOAT or Rockstar. Do not vote for the Mig/Syllo cabal. Chaoser is too low in the picking list, and likely does not have as important a role as the players higher up. Wiggles would probably be my choice. He is at the point in the draft where he likely has a decent role, but not high enough to have a high-powered mafia role. As far as who I would vote for, I agree 100% with Wiggles sentiments. I have very little idea right now of who I would lynch. As the day goes on we will accumulate far more info than we have now, as players are beginning to spotlight themselves. My choice will be a combo of my own thoughts along with input from the town. ##Vote Radfield __________ There are a lot of players running right now. If you are town, do not run if: a) you are vanilla b) you have dreamflower or doctor c) you have a defensive role This should go without saying. | ||
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Same goes for syllo and mig. I'd like to see the convo that leads you both to thinking the other is town. Redact as necessary. PM me or send it over skype, whichever keeps the formatting best. Syllo I will respond to your post in due time. I am on my touch right now. I will say this though, I added you on skype immediately after talking with mig last night. | ||
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Will you pass on your mega-convo you had with Mig? | ||
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On October 14 2011 22:04 syllogism wrote: Only sandroba has been talking about 99% probability, so you are twisting our words for your own benefit. I've also not said anything about Sandroba's alignment. Also it's interesting that you made those conclusions without actually being in contact with me in any way (you did add me on skype and admittedly our time zones aren't compatible; PMs are however an option). I'm not running for mayor, though I certainly would push for my election as well if I could do it at this juncture but the votes aren't there. Thus I'm doing the next best thing; attempting to elect someone who I've the strongest town read of. I think he has a better chance at getting elected, which is mostly why I'm not running myself. Can you please elaborate on what you think our alignments are? Do you think me and mig are scum buddies and just being extremely daring? You did mention that you think one or both of us is scum and trying to "to ride the coattails of the strong pro-town player into Office". Who is the strong pro-town player then and which one is latching onto him? Mig didn't even want to run and I pushed him into it. You aren't very consistent and coherent with your accusations, which is quite scummy. My intention was not to twist your words. You are indicating that you have a lot of trust in Mig at a point in the game when I think that amount of trust is unfounded. Not to mention it happens to be for a player who I found to be somewhat scummy both in his in-thread play, as well as the conversation I had with him last night. Same goes for Sandro, though I see now why he believes you to be 99% town(his chat log). That at least makes sense. However, it doesn't really make sense to support a third party(Mig) just because a trusted player seems to think they are legit. Unless Mig also used his one-time-only-100% town card. As far as your alignments, I don't have concrete reads on any of you. However i'm sure you can see where my suspicions come from when we have 3 players all(or mostly) thinking each other are town, at a time in the game when those type of certainties shouldn't exist. I'll quote my thoughts on you from my convo with Mig: I'll tell you what I think about syllo: he buddied both plans, mine and sandro's, while offering little commentary on either he also posted a bunch of info on roles/picking without giving any analysis or commentary he also made an extremely pro-town point about the framer, and it's potential to screw with town he also tend to be only moderately active early game as a townie, so he fits that mold fine However, this in nowhere near enough to make a read. In my opinion, making reads based on PM/IRC/Skype instead of on contributions in thread is a bad plan, and doomed to screw you over. Last game in LOTR i convinced Sandro that i was town through Skype yet before that he was convinced I was scum based off my in game play If pressed I would say i had a slightly pro-town read on you, add in your statement to sandro, and I would say you are probably town. Mig on the other hand is different. As of last night he had contributed very little, in a set-up where I would think he would be chomping at the bit to optimize our picking plans. My conversation with him also leads me to think he is scummy. I'm happy to PM you those logs. Also, the fact that he didn't want to run for mayor makes me more likely to think of him as scum then as town. Mafia want to avoid the spotlight, but if a townie comes up and says 'hey, run for mayor, i'll support you' then what scum would refuse? Mig is a strong player, why was he shying away from running in the first place? Sandro I think is likely town. He vehemently argued against my plan, and bullied me over in Skype. He proposed a well-thought out plan, and you can tell he put a lot of thought into it. Could he be scum? In this set-up of course, but he's well off my list for now. The one question mark i had was his sudden flip to pushing you/mig as elected roles, but that is mainly cleared up. Any further questions? Anything I miss? | ||
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On October 14 2011 23:07 syllogism wrote: No, though you may make specific inquiries over skype Why do you think Mig is town? | ||
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Mayoral voting will be one of the most important ways to link scum together in the long run. Since scum are likely to vote for their buddies, we can glean a lot of info from today. If scum decide NOT to vote for their buddies, that makes it more likely for us to log two townies into the elected roles. Either way this election is extremely important for town, so people need to start talking. | ||
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Yet here you are slinging mud on me, and taking my remark out of context. tsk tsk __________ Next part: “I don’t care about the fact that I don’t trust wherebugsgo, as long as he is voting for the people that I want to get elected.” This makes perfect sense. I want to get elected, I could care less whether or not the players voting me are scum or not, as long as i get the votes. Why? Because I know that having me in an elected role is fantastic for town. Therefore, all i care about it their votes. + Show Spoiler + Obviously I also care about their reasons for voting, as that helps to pinpoint their alignment. Honestly, your whole post is forced. Obviously we need to analyze, be active and scumhunt. No one is really suggesting otherwise. They are simply prioritizing. I agree that trusting someone this early in the game is strange. But the keyword here is strange, not necessarily scummy. Though I certainly understand where you are coming from. But every single player I have talked to about Mig seems to think he came across as a townie in their conversations(I did not). That means I am willing to give him another look, and readjust to the situation. I think the likelihood of you being scum are fairly high Jimbo. I think you are trying to force a contribution here. However, as you are the number 3 pick, and already a target for scum, I will not be lynching you tonight. Scum will likely deal with you in due time. | ||
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On October 15 2011 04:26 JimboSilvers wrote: I wasn't speaking specifically at you, Sandroba, when i mentioned discrediting analysis. I think that you are elevating other things higher than they should be, but I was referring to this: This is a terrible way of thinking about the game, and i don't know why it hasn't been questioned till now. We talked about this last night. I was making a point, and you agreed that you saw I was using hyperbole to make a point. It's like you're pretending to not understand what my intention was with that remark. Also: The purpose was not to point out Sandroba's scummy behaviour. This does not jive with the following: I have one scum to out I will lynch Sandroba if elected mayor, for blatantly pushing pro-mafia policies and ideas. | ||
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On October 15 2011 08:37 JACCUZISPLAT wrote: Inventor so you can't make a police radio that gives the wrong results. Also, every single detective will know the results were false since the broadcast results don't match with the results that they received. You will have 4 or 5 players pushing to lynch the inventor immediately. On October 15 2011 08:39 JimboSilvers wrote: This was already answered. Elected roles can be banned. No, Elected roles CANNOT be banned. They are not roles, they are elected officials. | ||
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On October 14 2011 02:50 Protactinium wrote: Mayor and Pardoner are not considered roles, they are considered elected offices. So yes, the Qatol role can ban the Pardoner/Mayor, but it would only remove the powers given to them by their role (the one they picked). They would still retain their mayor/pardoner powers. There are 4 parties. Framer can make his target look like any one of them | ||
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On October 15 2011 08:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: If I had to lynch right now, it would probably be Syllo. I'm getting a pretty bad vibe from him from his responses to what I was asking, and from the whole mayoral nomination in general. Like I said, I feel he has an ulterior motive for his actions, whether it's because mig is his scum-buddy, or because he thinks he can manipulate mig if he became mayor/pardoner, but between Sandro/Mig/Syllo, I feel there's at least one scum trying to be manipulative, and in my mind Syllo is the most likely candidate at this time. I might change my opinion in the future, as new information comes up, but if I had to lynch right now, it would be him. If I could choose mayor/pardoner right now, it would be one of Jimbo/Radfield for the one position, and then someone else, I'm not sure who exactly for the other. Radfield and Jimbo, I chose, as they both seem capable, nominated themselves to the election, are active, and seem like decent scum-hunters. (Jimbo likes theory and guides, which implies he's at least experienced). I'd probably end up choosing Radfield, due to his lower queue position, and also because I get the feeling Jimbo is a riskier or more aggressive player from his posts. As well, I'd be able to get better reads on Radfield in subsequent days, as I have a better feel for his play. So, Radfield would be the pardoner. This is because I don't know who I'd put in the second position, and pardoner is more dangerous. For mayor, I'd pick maybe Chaoser if he picked up his activity, or Scamp, if he did the same and nominated himself. They're both level-headed players, who I feel wouldn't do anything too crazy with the lynch, and who could use the protection to scum-hunt effectively. Really, there isn't really an ideal mayoral candidate at the moment in my mind, but if I had to choose, it would be one of those two. There's a general lack of thread activity and discussion, which I feel is really hurting the elections. There's probably more going on in private, but I feel the thread serves us better, because we can actually argue as an entire town here, and not just a few people convincing others in private, where there's less repercussions to what they say. Why not discuss things in the thread? I actually think that even though this is a PM game, thread discussion is more important than normal. This will help stop the different mafia families from being able to plan and manipulate in the background, if we force more information into the public thread. They won't be able to hide as effectively by only really interacting with a few players. Unless everyone's dumping their PM and IRC logs, we also don't really have a way to tell if anyone's contradicting themselves or not taking a hard stance on something. I think that major things should be posted in the thread, and not kept solely to PMs. This also helps for analysis, as it disseminates more information to town, which lets us analyze better, and less information dies with a player. (This is directed at everyone, not just mig) I originally felt the same as you did Wiggles. It made zero sense that 3 players would be so convinced of each others alignment. Yet for several reasons I'm starting to come around to the idea that it's possible Sandro, syllo and mig are all town. I think Sandro is probably town, based on his pre-game plan, and based on how vehemently he argued with me about the accountability picks. In addition, our entire skype chat lead me to believe he was prob town. Syllo told Sandro he was town. 100%, no chance of lying town. This game only. Could he be lying? Yes, of course, but i don't think so. Not many players would straight up lie to a friend like that, and hence i'm inclined to believe him. It's a bit of a cheap strat, but there it is. Mig. Mig was the one I was most suspicious of, particularly after my convo with him last night(of which i posted snippets in thread). However, after discussing this with several other players, most of whom felt he seemed town aligned based on their conversations, I was willing to give him another shot. Add to this the fact that Sandro(a player I somewhat trust) is pushing me to trust Mig, and that he is very likely green. I won't delve into it, but Sandro insinuated several things that push me down the path of Mig being green. I have discussed more with Mig tonight, and it seems that we line up on the vast majority of our reads. I'm happy to expand on this if anyone likes, as i realize it is a complete 180 from yesterday. I fully agree that we need more conversation in thread. I am getting bogged down in PMs + chat, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Kenpachi Scamp Bum prplhz Node supersoft Arctocod heist foolishness Erandorr Sinani All of you need to get in the thread and start posting. I don't care how much you guys have been posting in PMs(and i know for a fact some of you have), we need thoughts in-thread. Who are you voting? What are you looking for in a mayor? WHO SHOULD WE LYNCH!? I'm beginning to think that this day would be more productive if we spent more time figuring out who to lynch. Problem is, as I am running for mayor, I am loathe to scare anyone away from voting for me by indicating I may lynch them | ||
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On October 15 2011 09:14 prplhz wrote: can we do some scum hunting? this is all getting lost in electing people and that's very important, but usually we'd use 48 hours to talk about who is scum and who isn't. right now there's not enough of that from the candidates for election. Agreed. Who do you think is scum? | ||
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On October 15 2011 09:00 Jackal58 wrote: That's what I was looking for. Not the mayoral power but the players role. I though I saw it but I couldn't find his post. (I was at work) So if there is a Qatol role in the game he should not run for mayor. He should ban the mayor immediately though. If this scenario is well received by all of you I would suggest only vt players run for mayor. Who do you think is our best bet for mayor right now? Who would you like to see get lynched? | ||
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On October 15 2011 09:53 prplhz wrote: on a scale from e^i to sqrt(democratic republic of congo) i'd put you right around that sound it makes when turtles think about mozart's influence of modern furniture. I laughed in real life at this | ||
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Look at your filter. Other than your mayoral post, you only have 1 or 2 posts longer than 2 lines. That is why you are being ignored. One of you needs to step it up and contribute. | ||
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Good reasons have been presented: *Ran for mayor then did absolutely nothing to try and get elected *Sat on the sidelines and sniped at posts, without actually trying to improve the atmosphere. *weak weak case on Dropbear. Dropbear was talking about the Framer role before the game even began, and anyone who read his filter would be able to see that. He obviously wanted the role, and seemed to think he could redirect mafia KP with it(which is a very pro-town mindset). Once he found out he could not, he backed down. He also mentioned to someone that he wanted to use the role for the lols, which I can understand, as many players feel the same about the bus driver role. Chaoser, did you try contacting DB outside of the thread before posting your case? So, now that your head is on the chopping block, what are your thoughts Chaoser? ___________________ I am ok with the idea of Greymist as an elected role, but I am strongly against Jimbo. I'll post the PM I wrote to him detailing my suspicions: The main reason I think you are scummy, is that you built a case based on taking quotes out of context, and on seemingly deliberately focusing on what was literally said, as opposed to the intended meaning of the comments. Reading your log with Sandro, I didn't feel like you thought he was scummy, but then you came out in the thread an made a big case against him, ignoring the obvious pro-town contributions he made earlier. He put a lot of effort into pushing through his plan and his plan is a good one. You also painted me as scummy/suspicious based on a quote that we had already discussed. Whether you claim you did this inadvertently is irrelevant. You also seemed to backtrack hard once sandro responded to you, going so far as to state your intention was not to paint sandro as scum, when it obviously was. It's possible you are town, and it's possible you were just knee-jerking, but at this point i'm still leaning scum on you. Nothing personal, and i'm always willing to change my opinions given additional evidence He has responded to this, and I will admit I am slighty less suspicious of him at the moment than I was. However, I am still suspicious, and on top of that I think it is very bad policy to elect someone with one of the top slots. At pick number 3, Jimbo can basically assume that the top players took Inventor/JOAT. If he is scum, that means he has his pick of scum roles, many of which are very very bad if combined with Mayor. Hero, Godfather, Framer, etc. Not to mention that killing Sandro at this stage is extremely short-sighted. JImbo is basing his entire case on the idea that Sandro is pushing scum motives: promotion of not analyzing, scumhunting etc. But this is false, and deliberately missing the forest for the trees. Sandro is making a point, and trying to show that promoting defensive roles is the optimum choice for town, in addition to trying to find townies, not mafia. Because the more townies we can protect, the more mafia will shoot at each other. I freely admit that Sandro has done a poor job in thread over the course of Day 1. I understand his position, and other players do as well, yet I can certainly see where players are coming from when they think he is suspicious. He asked me yesterday why players thought he was suspicious: + Show Spoiler + [10/14/2011 10:12:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [10/14/2011 10:13:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: but aparently [10/14/2011 10:13:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: only a selected few can see the obvious [10/14/2011 10:13:26 PM] Sandro Maculan: and the rest actually wouldn't mind me getting lynch [10/14/2011 10:13:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: I wonder why [10/14/2011 10:17:11 PM] Mike Hadfield: because on the surface it is very strange that you accepted mig as town, just because you believed syllo [10/14/2011 10:17:29 PM] Mike Hadfield: and that you pushed Mig as lead candidate, instead of syllo [10/14/2011 10:17:59 PM] Mike Hadfield: hence, people think there is a contradiction in logic, and that something sneaky is going on [10/14/2011 10:18:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: I guess You need to get in here and clarify your position, and be active in-thread. Obviously I realize you have been active on Skype, but that's not good enough. Voting in Jimbo is a bad idea, and killing Sandro at this stage is a terrible idea. My goal, no matter what you think my alignment is, is to lynch scum today, and everyday. I'm telling you right now, that lynching Sandro is probably the least likely to fulfill that goal. | ||
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On October 15 2011 18:03 wherebugsgo wrote: After some extended and heated discussion in PMs I think it's best that this go in the thread. Currently, Radfield leads the mayoral candidacy with 6 votes. HOWEVER, Radfield is a terrible candidate and should NOT be allowed into office. If you are voting Radfield please strongly reconsider your vote and take your vote off of him. Vote GreyMist or Mig instead. The optimal situation is if we can get Mig/Greymist to 7/8 votes each. We need both of these guys elected to office. I think both are town, and we need townies in office, not Radfield. Currently I suspect any voters on Radfield, and I will continue to do so until you have provided adequate reason for me to think you are not suspicious. I repeat, WE CANNOT ALLOW RADFIELD TO BE ELECTED. On October 15 2011 19:35 wherebugsgo wrote: also, you don't find it odd that Radfield said that the scumteams would be running candidates for mayor, then he ran himself? It seems like a good way to relieve suspicion on himself; as scum that's a great way to get yourself into office. I also don't doubt that Radfield is good at scum seeing as he completely convinced sandroba he was town in LoTR through PMs. Electing Radfield into office is basically a gamble. We gamble that he's town and he potentially gets protection, or that he's scum and so we get him off the candidacy list. I don't think we can be sure of Radfield's alignment this early in the game and so we should go with the two candidates we CAN be sure of, GreYMisT and Mig. Mig is really transparent and obvious town, GreYMisT is a relatively new player so I'd find it extraordinarily unlikely he's scum based on the things he's said and done both in thread and in PM. Is there an actual argument in here somewhere? Basically what you are saying is that there is a risk I may be scum, and therefore should not be mayor. But what does a scum Radfield as mayor really look like? Fact is, regardless of what you think my alignment is, you should know from my playstyle that I will be hunting scum no matter what. You may think that my role in my hands could be dangerous, but I have a role which can confirm itself(and is shown to NOT be dangerous to town), and works with great synergy as the mayor position. You're also completely ignoring the vast upside of having a pro-town Radfield in an elected slot. If I am allowed to live till late-game, which an elected position will grant me, I will undoubtedly be a game changing presence in favor of town. I am clear thinking, good at scum hunting, and excellent at keeping town discussion moving in productive directions. You may think that I can give these benefits without the protection of an elected position, but I will be dead night 1. There are 12 players actively opposed to seeing me elected. There are 12 players actively trying to cut me down and reduce my effectiveness. There are 12 players who want me dead and out of this game. Bugs, if you are NOT one of those 12 player, then you need to shape up and stop doing their work for them. Let me do my job. Your day 1 scum reads are notoriously poor, yet you always push them with reckless abandon. Take off your scum-goggles, and slow down. In LOTR you had awful reads day 1, and solid reads every day after that(in the dead QT). | ||
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