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On October 02 2011 05:54 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 05:35 NotChezinu wrote:On September 30 2011 09:15 Forumite wrote:
##Aim: wherebugsgo Hi forumite. I just had a realization. Scum snipers can only shoot during the day, just to rule out that possibility please do me a favor and aim at risk.nuke, right now (I'm not going to type out the command so I can't be accused of being the shooter if you follow up right now) if you are town, nothing will happen, if you by some odd twist of fate are a scum sniper, well then, risk.nuke will meet his untimely demise. I'd say "pick whoever you want" but I don't want you aiming for someone who is likely to be town. If you refuse, well then, we know what to do. Apologies for any trouble this may cause. Mr.Fluffles sends his regards and a bit of string. Kurumi, just to confirm, a day vigi role ONLY has to post ##Aim: _____ for it to go off, right? No need to PM you or anything If enough people want me to do this then I will consider it, although if you´ve read the answer from GM you should know this is a stupid thing to ask of me. The aiming during the night proved nothing about my role. If I aim and shoot, then I can be either Sniper, BLU or RED, if I aim without shooting, then you just told Scum I´m not the BLU Sniper.
This is such balls
Kurumi just confirmed there is on PM involved
just ##aim him and get on with it, if you ##aim and nothing happens obv we know you're a townie
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On October 02 2011 05:57 Kenpachi wrote:
forumite, no harm done.
##aim: risk.nuke plz
omfg
why would you fucking do that
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so then why don't you aim for us and prove it?
This is a DAY action.
So, why aren't you doing it?
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Forumite if you were to pick one person who was most scummy who would that person be?
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[4:11:05 PM] wherebugsgo: yo
[4:11:14 PM] wherebugsgo: are you available now?
[4:11:21 PM] Curu: yeah
[4:11:27 PM] wherebugsgo: alright
[4:11:59 PM] wherebugsgo: so are you going to pressure Forumite in the thread?
[4:12:02 PM] Curu: no
[4:12:08 PM] wherebugsgo: why's that?
[4:12:13 PM] Curu: cause I'd rather lynch incog
[4:12:20 PM] wherebugsgo: okay forget incog for a second
[4:12:29 PM] wherebugsgo: for all intents and purposes he's getting lynched
[4:12:46 PM] wherebugsgo: if he's mafia we need to look at other players in the game
[4:12:51 PM] wherebugsgoa: you said you suspect Forumite
[4:13:12 PM] Curu: if he's Mafia I'd reread and prolly go after someone else based on what came up
[4:13:19 PM] Curu: putting Forumite on the backburner for now
[4:13:29 PM] wherebugsgo: so you don't think Forumite is scum?
[4:13:51 PM] Curu: it's a possibility but it's not urgent
[4:13:58 PM] wherebugsgo: but incog is urgent...
[4:14:03 PM] Curu: yes
[4:14:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay
[4:14:08 PM] wherebugsgo: so then why would you wait
[4:14:10 PM] wherebugsgo: until he flips
[4:14:12 PM] wherebugsgo: to look for information?
[4:14:21 PM] wherebugsgo: why not do it now so we're not wasting time?
[4:14:22 PM] Curu: cause I don't know 100% that he is mafia
[4:14:30 PM] Curu: and I'd rather not waste time reading the thread until aftert he flips
[4:14:31 PM] wherebugsgo: right so if you don't know if he's 100% mafia
[4:14:39 PM] wherebugsgo: shouldn't we be doing something to determine who is mafia?
[4:14:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and if incog is the right lynch?
[4:14:50 PM] Curu: he's the right lynch
[4:14:53 PM] wherebugsgo: wtf
[4:15:03 PM] Curu: no one else looks scummier
[4:15:06 PM] wherebugsgo: okay
[4:15:07 PM] Curu: am I 100% sure he is scum? no
[4:15:12 PM] wherebugsgo: alright so outline
[4:15:12 PM] Curu: would I give him the highest chance to flip scum? prolly
[4:15:13 PM] wherebugsgo: what you would do
[4:15:15 PM] wherebugsgo: if he flips scum
[4:15:18 PM] wherebugsgo: and if he flips town
[4:15:19 PM] Curu: I don't know
[4:15:23 PM] Curu: I'd have to decide after he flips
[4:15:25 PM] wherebugsgo: no
[4:15:28 PM] wherebugsgo: that's stupid
[4:15:29 PM] wherebugsgo: you can't have absolutely no idea
[4:15:33 PM] wherebugsgo: what you'd do
[4:15:35 PM] wherebugsgo: until he flips
[4:15:39 PM] Curu: why not?
[4:15:50 PM] wherebugsgo: because that suggests you're not thinking in advance
[4:15:59 PM] wherebugsgo: and that you basically don't give a shit about the rest of this day right now
[4:16:18 PM] Curu: Not much is going to change my mind on Incog
[4:16:31 PM] Curu: and I'd rather wait till more info comes up
[4:16:37 PM] Curu: before dedicating myself to searching for more stuff
[4:16:37 PM] wherebugsgo: and what's wrong
[4:16:43 PM] wherebugsgo: with trying to find that information?
[4:17:04 PM] Curu: cause it's much more relevant and worth the time after I know for sure what he is
[4:17:13 PM] wherebugsgo: so right now
[4:17:14 PM] wherebugsgo: we should do nothing
[4:17:16 PM] wherebugsgo: is what you're saying
[4:17:21 PM] Curu: I'm doing stuff
[4:17:22 PM] wherebugsgo: lol
[4:17:41 PM] wherebugsgo: you mean, talking to Mig?
[4:17:48 PM] Curu: mmhmm
[4:17:50 PM] Curu: some others too
[4:17:50 PM] wherebugsgo: okay
[4:18:26 PM] Curu: I've gone through pretty much everyone I might want to lynch today
[4:18:30 PM] Curu: and my conclusion is Incog
[4:18:35 PM] wherebugsgo: and no second choice
[4:18:35 PM] Curu: there's a reason I waited so long to vote
[4:18:36 PM] wherebugsgo: ?
[4:18:37 PM] wherebugsgo: lol
[4:18:42 PM] wherebugsgo: literally no second choice
[4:18:43 PM] Curu: why do I need a second choice
[4:18:47 PM] wherebugsgo: in case you're wrong
[4:18:57 PM] Curu: in case I'
[4:19:00 PM] Curu: m wrong I can't go back in time
[4:19:02 PM] Curu: and change the lynch
[4:19:08 PM] wherebugsgo: actually you could
[4:19:12 PM] wherebugsgo: cause the lynch hasn't started yet
[4:19:18 PM] wherebugsgo: we haven't lynched incog yet
[4:19:31 PM] wherebugsgo: so saying you're not going to find anyone scummier than him
[4:19:38 PM] wherebugsgo: when we have 23 hours left
[4:19:44 PM] Curu: nope
[4:19:44 PM] wherebugsgo: is just stupid
[4:19:48 PM] Curu: I've gone through everyone I want to
[4:19:54 PM] Curu: my conclusion is Incog
[4:20:08 PM] wherebugsgo: okay
[4:20:08 PM] wherebugsgo: so
[4:20:14 PM] wherebugsgo: 1. you think he's most likely scum
[4:20:19 PM] wherebugsgo: 2. you're not 100% confident he's scum
[4:20:32 PM] wherebugsgo: 3. but you're not willing to take into account you might be wrong before lynching him
[4:20:41 PM] wherebugsgo: 4. so you're basically lynching him regardless of his alignment
[4:20:53 PM] Curu: what do you want from me
[4:20:57 PM] Curu: I think he is scummiest
[4:20:59 PM] Curu: so I want to lynch him
[4:21:02 PM] Curu: that's all there is to it
[4:21:05 PM] wherebugsgo: no, it isn't
[4:21:09 PM] Curu: I'm not going to push Forumite when Id on't want Forumite lynched today
[4:21:11 PM] wherebugsgo: you can't have no other scum reads
[4:21:20 PM] Curu: I do have other scum reads
[4:21:20 PM] wherebugsgo: okay let's imagine
[4:21:29 PM] Curu: But I am not going to push them or post them until after Incog dies
[4:21:29 PM] wherebugsgo: incog gets lynched
[4:21:42 PM] wherebugsgo: who do you push tomorrow?
[4:21:44 PM] wherebugsgo: you seriously haven't thought about that?
[4:22:04 PM] wherebugsgo: why is it that
[4:22:05 PM] wherebugsgo: pushing someone
[4:22:13 PM] wherebugsgo: automatically means you want to lynch them TODAY?
[4:22:31 PM] wherebugsgo: you can push them if you think they're scum, regardless of whether you think someone else is scummier
[4:22:34 PM] wherebugsgo: your logic isn't making sense
[4:22:35 PM] Curu: I have thought about it
[4:22:40 PM] Curu: why would I post something for tomorrow' slynch
[4:22:40 PM] Curu: now
[4:22:52 PM] wherebugsgo: -_-
[4:22:59 PM] wherebugsgo: because you need to discuss possibilities
[4:23:00 PM] wherebugsgo: I'm not saying
[4:23:04 PM] wherebugsgo: you need to put into stone
[4:23:08 PM] wherebugsgo: who we're going to lynch tomorrow
[4:23:15 PM] Curu: or I can discuss possibilities after Incog flips and I know which alignment he is
[4:23:23 PM] wherebugsgo: okay look
[4:23:31 PM] wherebugsgo: there aren't fifty different alignments Incog could flip
[4:23:33 PM] wherebugsgo: there's only two
[4:23:34 PM] wherebugsgo: therefore
[4:23:38 PM] wherebugsgo: you can discuss both possibilities NOW
[4:23:46 PM] wherebugsgo: rather than wait and waste 20+ hours
[4:23:47 PM] wherebugsgo: of doing nothing
[4:23:53 PM] wherebugsgo: which it seems you are perfectly content in doing
[4:24:05 PM] wherebugsgo: ex.
[4:24:12 PM] wherebugsgo: if Incog flips town does that make Forumite scummier?
[4:24:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if he flips mafia?
[4:24:18 PM] Curu: nope
[4:24:29 PM] wherebugsgo: so incog's alignment has no bearing on your read on Forumite?
[4:24:37 PM] Curu: nope
[4:24:42 PM] wherebugsgo: okay so then why aren't you pushing him now?
[4:25:04 PM] wherebugsgo: if incog's alignment has no bearing on your read of forumite
[4:25:07 PM] Curu: why would I push him now
[4:25:08 PM] wherebugsgo: you don't need to wait to see incog flip
[4:25:10 PM] Curu: Id on't want him lynched now
[4:25:12 PM] wherebugsgo: LOL
[4:25:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay so
[4:25:18 PM] wherebugsgo: you first said
[4:25:24 PM] wherebugsgo: you didn't want to discuss things now because Incog hasn't flipped yet
[4:25:41 PM] wherebugsgo: then you say you don't want to discuss Forumite not because of Incog but because you don't want to lynch him now
[4:25:51 PM] wherebugsgo: you say he's scummy to you
[4:26:00 PM] wherebugsgo: if he's scum you'll have to lynch him eventually
[4:26:05 PM] wherebugsgo: makes no sense to waste time
[4:26:10 PM] Curu: maybe I don't think he's scum anymore
[4:26:12 PM] Curu: maybe I do and am lazy
[4:26:13 PM] Curu: who knows!
[4:26:18 PM] wherebugsgo: so you're content
[4:26:26 PM] wherebugsgo: with this
[4:26:27 PM] wherebugsgo: ?
[4:26:29 PM] Curu: yep
[4:26:35 PM] wherebugsgo: alright
[4:26:36 PM] wherebugsgo: besides Mig
[4:26:42 PM] wherebugsgo: who else are your townreads?
[4:28:01 PM] Curu: I'd rather not share that
[4:28:09 PM] wherebugsgo: mmkay
[4:28:22 PM] wherebugsgo: and I guess you're not willing to share who you're PMing, either?
[4:28:45 PM] Curu: you don't benefit from that information anyways if you're Town
[4:28:56 PM] wherebugsgo: who says I don't?
[4:28:58 PM] wherebugsgo: anyway
[4:29:01 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think
[4:29:02 PM] wherebugsgo: of NotChezinu?
[4:29:29 PM] Curu: he's probably not Chezinu
[4:29:39 PM] Curu: and probably not GM either
[4:29:52 PM] wherebugsgo: what makes you say that?
[4:30:01 PM] wherebugsgo: what alignment do you lean?
[4:30:03 PM] Curu: cause I talked to GM about other stuff
[4:30:12 PM] Curu: nothing he has done makes me think he is Town or sucm
[4:30:16 PM] wherebugsgo: sooo
[4:30:17 PM] wherebugsgo: null
[4:30:36 PM] Curu: yep
[4:30:58 PM] wherebugsgo: is there anyone other than Incog or Forumite you think is possibly scum?
[4:31:30 PM] Curu: wont know till he flips!
[4:31:45 PM] wherebugsgo: alrighty then
[4:31:58 PM] wherebugsgo: I think that's all
[4:32:02 PM] wherebugsgo: feel free to PM me if you have questions
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##unvote Incognito
##vote Curu
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Forumite I talked to Curu about 4 hours ago. I also had another one with him earlier that I forgot to post.
[12:59:38 PM] wherebugsgo: yo you free?
[1:00:05 PM] Curu: about to go out
[1:00:06 PM] Curu: actually
[1:00:15 PM] wherebugsgo: 2 minutes?
[1:00:20 PM] Curu: sure
[1:00:29 PM] wherebugsgo: kk so since the town is full of derps I'd figure I'd ask you
[1:00:31 PM] wherebugsgo: what you think of Forumite
[1:00:42 PM] Curu: I don't think he can play this retarded as Town
[1:00:47 PM] Curu: But Mig thinks he is retard Townie
[1:00:53 PM] Curu: and he is better than me at separating them from scum
[1:01:08 PM] wherebugsgo: are you going to make a case on him in the thread?
[1:01:28 PM] Curu: i made one
[1:01:37 PM] wherebugsgo: link?
[1:02:36 PM] Curu: uh
[1:02:37 PM] wherebugsgo: actually just repost it
[1:02:38 PM] Curu: it was sometime during the night
[1:02:43 PM] Curu: i really gotta go
[1:02:44 PM] Curu: lol
[1:02:54 PM] wherebugsgo: kk bye
[1:03:26 PM] wherebugsgo: wait wait hold on just remembered
[1:03:38 PM] wherebugsgo: are you more confident in incog or forumite?
[1:04:03 PM] Curu: my thoughts are kinda the same as erandorrs surprisingly
[1:04:05 PM] Curu: the post he just made
[1:04:06 PM] Curu: incog is so bad
[1:04:10 PM] Curu: town or scum his play is so bad
[1:04:15 PM] Curu: but bad play is probably more scum
[1:04:29 PM] Curu: Forumite I kind of expect it
[1:04:47 PM] Curu: I would prolly lynch Incog at this point
[1:04:58 PM] wherebugsgo: but do you prefer Forumite?
[1:05:20 PM] Curu: eh
[1:05:21 PM] Curu: no
[1:05:26 PM] Curu: if incog flipped town id probably want jcarl
[1:05:43 PM] wherebugsgo: you don't prefer Forumite because of Mig?
[1:06:09 PM] Curu: there are some aspects of his play that just looks like retard town
[1:06:23 PM] wherebugsgo: but you just said you think he's scum?
[1:06:50 PM] Curu: no I said he is playing like a retard
[1:06:58 PM] Curu: and it's pretty bad if he is Town
[1:07:04 PM] Curu: but it's not beyond the realm of possibility
[1:07:57 PM] wherebugsgo: hmmm
[1:08:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay well I still think you should pressure Forumite
[1:08:13 PM] wherebugsgo: since if he is indeed mafia he's slipping under the radar thanks to this incog shit
[1:08:21 PM] Curu: jcarl erandorr were pretty scummy
[1:08:39 PM] Curu: incog scum means jcarl prolly town tho
[1:08:41 PM] Curu: bye
[1:08:52 PM] wherebugsgo: k when you get back let's talk a little more
this earlier one was from 7 hours ago.
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On October 02 2011 12:05 Mig wrote:
Everything palmar did this game was half assed. Including his attack on Jackal and all the times I talked to him on skype. I don't think he decided to half ass everything and at the same time come up with this ridiculous plan with curu.
I am just laughing at this I mean lets use some common sense here, which is more likely curu/palmar monsterous bus master scheme? Or uh how about curu is just town? Most times the simplest answer is the correct one.
Again, you didn't take part in Cosmic.
This bus is exactly like how Jackal bussed JeeJee.
Curu even alluded to Jackal possibly being scum because of how Palmar FoSed him day 1
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Hey all, I'm pretty embarrassed to have been playing so badly. I really can't say that I've been productive for town and this vote swing really is dumb.
I'll be trying to clear my head a little so I can play better from here on out.
If anyone wishes to contact me you may do so via PMs and I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have
If you're mute just ask here.
On October 03 2011 01:17 Sevryn wrote:
The case on Curu is pretty shitty now that i look on it with fresh eyes it only has any weight if you guarantee that palmar was bussed and the evidence that he was bussed really isnt that compelling. If incog flips scum we need to look at NotChezinu for making a giant distraction case.
##unvote
##vote NotChezinu
If you're in the same boat as I am, Sevryn, you should consider things a bit more before making a reflex vote. I voted Curu based on the 16-24 hours of PMs I had with NC and Incog anda few hours of prodding Curu and Mig.
I didn't like how Curu emphasized being "100% confirmed townie" (I don't think you can become confirmed by the mod in the way he did) and I also found it extremely weird that Palmar would just roll over and die. Then ofc I didn't like how easy the incognito lynch was, for a good player. This led me to believe Incog was town.
A whole bunch of things add up like this. If Incog flips town though, who do we go after next? We haven't at all established that in the thread and it's disturbing how few people are willing to think beyond this lynch.
If Incog flips scum that's great, it was surprisingly easy.
(also I think I understand what Curu meant now by saying that if Incog is scum we'll have to clean up the thread after)
##unvote Curu
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IIRC night 1 established we should kill Incog, no?
I don't know what the purpose of your question is. Maybe this would be something that is more productive if taken to PMs.
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On October 03 2011 07:34 Forumite wrote:
tnkted and Incog screwed up, and Town pays for it. When the bandwagon on Incog started, Scum could just stand aside and watch. I expect scum to hide among Incogs supporters who didn´t help him when the bandwagon picked up speed, like NotChezinu, and among low-activity players.
Thoughts on this?
give your scumreads plain and clear so we can all see them.
If you're mute you can't do anything else other than contribute in the thread.
If you're town you shouldn't see anything wrong with being active and helpful, no? If you're scum obviously it'll be difficult for you to contribute.
Provide your thoughts on the three players you think are most likely to be scum, please.
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who the hell is asking these questions?
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On October 03 2011 08:37 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 08:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
who the hell is asking these questions? you are?
I never PMed you with options.
I'm talking about who is PMing you/Forumite with this "pick option B 5" business
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actually, it doesn't need to be answered openly.
The question asker can PM me with his identity.
Stop assuming I come with a pro-mafia agenda.
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On October 03 2011 09:07 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually, it doesn't need to be answered openly.
The question asker can PM me with his identity.
Stop assuming I come with a pro-mafia agenda. Hey bugs, calm down. No need to pretend that you are an idiot when you send the questions to me yourself 
Is this a troll?
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I'll take that as a yes, I guess.
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There's about an hour left and he hasn't been on for the entire night phase/end of day phase.
Has anyone received communication from NC?
If no then I'd suggest looking into him today. I'll be gone for the end of night phase so if I die then I'd suggest looking at NC and whoever else has not shown much will to contribute toward town efforts. At this moment in time if I had to give out my best guesses it would be NC, Erandor, and jcarl.
If any one of these players is a townie then probably risk.nuke.
The problem ATM is that NC seems too easy of a lynch. It's like Incog all over again. The only compelling reason I can see for it being NC is balance, but even that isn't set in stone.
hopefully if we have a night vig he's chosen carefully tonight so we perhaps don't have to deal with one of these players.
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Why are Erandor and Kenpachi sure town?
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alright let's lynch him
##vote NotChezinu
yo if there's a vig in this town make our job easy and shoot him. Then we can focus the lynch on someone else.
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On October 04 2011 08:51 Curu wrote:
Oh fuck me I'm an idiot. Sorry guys -_-.
what is this?
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