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Even if you are about to be lynched and you have the ring, I can't really come up with a compelling reason to claim that you have it, except perhaps if the ring has powers that can be used in a pro town fashion and you can demonstrate that you've done so, thus possibly saving us from mislynch. If you get lynched, it will just narrow down the list of potential owners,. | ||
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On September 17 2011 23:04 Pyo wrote: Does anyone else find this whole exchange to be really suspicious? Jackal is currently on top of my suspicion list, mostly due to being around last night while not saying anything useful at all. However, I don't think the above looks like a conversation between scum buddies. WBG's play makes very little sense regardless of his alignment, though a third party makes most sense. | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:24 iGrok wrote: Greymist's thing is not something to lynch for, but it is something to remember in the future. But he is someone to keep an eye on. I think whoever said WBG is probably gollum with a post restriction is right. But Drazerk has my biggest suspicions today, and lynching him will also give us the most information so far, both about greymist and the others who jumped on him. So, ##Vote Drazerk Can you elaborate on these "suspicions" and also why lynching him would give us information regarding greymist and the people who voted for him? If drazerk flips scum, what does it tell you? And if he flips town? | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:40 Jackal58 wrote: That was to Heist. His proposal is so pro mafia it's not even funny. I disagree; it's pretty much always better to have two lynch wagons. He wasn't proposing a chain lynch and even if both wagons turn out to be town, it forces scum to voice their opinion on both candidates, thus producing more information for later analysis. | ||
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Jackal, GGQ, possibly iGrok In addition, Vain's posts thus far have been so devoid of content that he looks like a decent alternative, despite not exactly being a veteran. Drazerk apologizing for going away for a few hours looks somewhat off too, given that his activity hasn't exactly been very high anyway. Unfortunately a bunch of veterans are getting away with posting nothing at all (Jeejee/Sandroba/Palmar), but at least the latter two have an excuse due to not being around and I'm willing to ignore jeejee on day 1 due to his recent game history. Lynching WBG is a waste of time unless we've a reason to believe he has KP or that he could be a scum fake claiming. The former is unlikely given the OP specifically implies that there are roles with the ability to steal items and having both abilities might be redundant if we believe his win con is simply to obtain the ring. Further, it's rather unlikely a SK would open claim day 1 as we would obviously get suspicious if night KP/flavor indicates that there is a SK. As for the possibility of him being scum, the claim again makes no sense as Gollum is a very likely character to be present in the game and having gollum as a scum safe claim seems unfair. I suppose it's possible for gollum to be scum aligned rather than a neutral party, but again it makes no sense to claim as it still makes him a likely vig target. ##vote Jackal | ||
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On September 18 2011 17:41 wherebugsgo wrote: Can you explain, syllogism, why you prefer Jackal over GGQ or iGrok? For those who care, Jackal's filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=124528 Basically because I'm more familiar with his play and GGQ has had a tendency to be inactivate as town in the few games I've played with him, I recall. However, they are all good candidates, and I had to pick one. | ||
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On September 19 2011 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Haha, this looks so scummy to me. Instead of looking for people who are acting scummy, you want to try to lynch people based on usefulness. This isn't too bad in itself, but then instead of giving concrete examples for each of the players you listed, you bring up 5 other players and give reasons why they're good lynch targets as well (But not as good as the first three). Then you spend the latter half of your post talking about WBG instead of the 8 lynch targets you brought up. So, instead of focusing on one player who is scummy, you bring up 3 targets, give no specific reasons for voting any of them, and then add 5 other targets to that pile as well, before what looks like just a random vote among them. Talk about spreading out focus. FOS Syllogism Also, while I'm at it, Syllo, what do you think of prplhz? I don't find any of the behaviour I noted scummy by itself, because most players on TL tend to be illogical. There are some players I hold to a higher standards, and indeed I find them easier to read. Contradictions can be scummy, but can often be attributed to poor logic by either reader or the author. Only four of the people I listed in my post were presented as lynch candidates, and the three names were clearly highlighted as the ones I'd focus on today. Twisting words if scummy behaviour, so either you misread or have an agenda; jeejee/palmar/sandroba were noted for their complete lack of thread presence and correctly so. Do you disagree? I have never seen you FoS someone and then vote for someone else, which is also curious. However, your scum play seems blander than this so perhaps it's just that I haven't seen you play town enough. I found prplhz fairly suspicious, quite similar to Vain, as his early posts were complete fluff, but his case against Dr.H seemed genuine, even if I disagree with most of the content. If you haven't noticed, I'm nowadays quite against lynching newer players unless the case amounts to something other than "he isn't making sense". Non-contributing veterans are generally better targets. The connection you attempt to draw between me and WBG is pretty hilarious, given I'm the one who got him to claim third party and his alleged win con, which clearly made him a lynch candidate and a very likely eventual vig target. Do you think switching vote is scummy behaviour? Is it scummier than throwing your vote away when it becomes clear your candidate of choice isn't going to get lynched? What is the scum motivation for switching, unless WBG is scum? | ||
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On September 19 2011 05:29 Radfield wrote: I don't necessarily disagree on Dr H, but no matter what his alignment he'll be active. Time will tell if he's scum or not. Since you're here DocH, what are you're thoughts on Errandor. Do you still find WBG suspicious despite the upswing in his posting? Solid enough for you to vote for him? I'm considering it right now, based on the likely alternatives. Due to time zone constraints I'll be off within 30 minutes, so I won't be able to react based on how voting develops. Given that I don't find WBG and prplhz to be good lynches, I'll likely switch before I'm off. I don't think Jackal has done anything to make him look townier since my vote, however. | ||
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##unvote ##vote Erandorr | ||
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On September 19 2011 12:04 sandroba wrote: Okay, I'm done with my first read through the thread. Syllo why did you vote errandor man? This goes against everything you said previously and is not on par with the way you think at all? Also why did you jump on jackal and GGQ instead of iGrok? Because at the time of voting it looked like it was going to be either wbg/prplhz or erandorr, so I picked the one I thought had the best chance of flipping scum. I already explained why I "chose" (more like nearly RNGed because they all looked the same at the time) jackal; I've played with him more and he was also contributing more in some other active games. | ||
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On September 18 2011 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No, I'm voting for WBG because I have no strong scum read and his play is the most anti-town. If I had to guess his role it's a neutral serial killer and I'd rather day 1 lynch an SK than what will probably be a town. I also never said WBG isn't scum. It's day 1. So far our scum cases boil down to "your plan was stupid" "you didn't post enough" and "idk you voted for me and you didn't explain it well." If I get a strong scum read then I'll move my vote. My read on WBG is either scum or SK. Either way, he's a detriment to town and I'm pretty sure he is not a pro-town role. I feel more comfortable voting for a player that I'm about 75% sure is a non-town player than a player I'm 15% sure might be scum. My vote for greymist was really just a placeholder to get him talking. That's pretty standard stuff. That's it. I'm not concerned with defending myself, I'm doing what I feel is right. WBG has been posting a little bit more constructively and at the very least, if he is a bad townie, he's learning that you can't shit post and troll without getting heat. There are still 24 hours left but so far all of the "scum" cases I've seen have been incredibly weak and I don't know why people seem to think it's impossible WBG is scum in the first place. Because he's too reckless? I've seen worse. On September 19 2011 05:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think it's quite probable Errandor is scum and misunderstands my reasons for voting for WBG and is trying to parrot/hide behind my bandwagon. However, if I have to switch my vote I personally get a worse feeling from Supersoft and chaos13 did a pretty good job of pointing out that very strange inconsistency. On September 19 2011 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm keeping my vote on WBG out of principle because I am sure he is either SK or Mafia. The fact that no one is even exploring the possibility that he is scum says volumes to me. If he were, in fact mafia, it's a fitting enough to say "nah hes obv just 3rd party he can't be scum if yoou vote for him youre scum becasue hes not scum" but we don't know what alignment anyone is only mafia know that :-) I can't quite reconcile these statements with the fact you left your vote on WBG. Care to clarify? Did you just became more certain about WBG being scum/mafia somewhere along the way? Why? What do you think about the possibility of WBG being a third party who isn't a serial killer? | ||
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Why do you think Radfield is town, given that Erandorr flipped town and based on his post earlier today he was going to go for two additional town lynches (chaos13 and me)? And now he finds his own wagon scummy, even me despite specifically wanting me to switch. Speaking of the lynch, it was still better than WBG/prplplz lynches. I may be tunneling due to the night kills making very little sense (saurun's ability allowed them to kill whoever they wanted), because he IS contributing more than anyone really. I'll have to find one of his scum games to see what his scum play looks like. Anything more recent than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Mafia? | ||
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Yes, but that was a no flip game so I was hoping something more standard | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:32 kitaman27 wrote: Try Salem. Do you intend to push Radfield/Palmar or anyone else within the next few hours? Unlikely as I prefer to spend the first 24 hours discussing and despite being somewhat suspicious of Radfield, I think it's more optimal to wait at least until day 3 given his activity and him being a likely NK target if he is town aligned. I don't like how Palmar is playing, but it's more due to his apathy and in fact he is so far looking more like his town play in swedish house mafia/resurrection/post day 1 XLIV, than his typical scum play. I agree with sandroba's list though, so that's definitely where my focus will be. | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:38 kitaman27 wrote: Also, why is it very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit? Why would they hit WBG? From mafia perspective he was either a possibly bullet proof third party or a lying town, and either way a likely vig target or a lynch candidate. Moreover, look at the list of players in the game and try to come up with a scum team that would prioritize wbg, especially given the other aforementioned factors. | ||
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On September 18 2011 08:46 iGrok wrote: Theres no way he would have a ring-stealing ability with no way to search for it. Think about that This is interesting considering Sauron flipped and has such an ability. Why would someone who can just steal the ring first check for it? Or maybe you assumed he could do two night actions? | ||
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On September 21 2011 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Syllo, what are your thought about sandroba? Do you think he is 100% town or can you even consider otherwise. If so, why? I'm leaning town so far, mostly due to him agreeing with me a lot and also based on the night kill selection. While it's possible that he is scum and simply didn't give his input or others disagreed, but I'm still leaning on towards the kills pointing toward a townie sandroba. As for whom I would lynch on sandroba's list, my current choice would be iGrok or GGQ. Both have done absolutely nothing so far and the igrok's post I highlighted above could be a slip due to him knowing that such an ability is present in the game. GGQ voted iGrok yesterday, but igrok lynch was never going to happen and he likes throwing away his vote as scum, though that's based on a very small sample size. Jackal is the close third, but that might change if he doesn't today give his opinion on ANYTHING besides WBG. I also notice that he asked to be replaced out, not sure what to make of that. Original name sort of found igrok/drh scummy today, though then proceeded to vote pyo instead. Still, giving him some townie points for that so I don't think he is a good target today. | ||
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On September 21 2011 01:53 Jackal58 wrote: You're assuming each word uses the same substitution pattern. Doesn't have to be that way. It could be Boolean or a Fibonacci progression. I realize that, but I don't really have the tools or know-how to know where to begin if that's the case. Also it can't be too complicated given that's it's something we should reasonable be able to solve. | ||
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I just got shot, as in a day vig hit me | ||
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On September 21 2011 04:22 Archon_Toilet wrote: You keep saying you shot. If you were shot how did you survive? Claiming veteran? I got shot and I survived, that's as much as you need to know | ||
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##cleave iGrok I'm going to be extremely displeased with the setup if a clearly evil creature flips neutral when our win con says to purge all evil | ||
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Either way if he doesn't flip mafia, curu really messed up | ||
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On September 21 2011 15:33 iGrok wrote: Apparently I can. So, your medic is fucking dumb. Though after the game ends I'm going to chew you out for playing dumb, this is actually hilarious Calling bullshit on the medic, so you are still lying scum or a bulletproof SK and if you don't see how my above logic makes perfect sense, that just makes you even scummier | ||
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After I had vigged you: "This had better be a fucking joke." "was that supposed to do something syllogism?" And now later: "I was told I took a hit right after you used cleave." I suppose you are more likely to be SK by this point, which is unfortunate because I'd rather lynch mafia. | ||
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Since jeejee is acusing jackal, but haven't said shit I'll keep him there. I have a funny feeling that if jackal is town jeejee is mafia planting the seed so someone else can make a full blown case and get the blame People had been pushing Jackal since day 1, but sandroba interprets Jeejee's day 2 vote as scum wanting to subtly get a wagon started and thus "avoiding blame". This doesn't particularly sound like townie sandroba logic. The language is a bit awkward too, specifically the usage of "funny feeling" | ||
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On September 21 2011 17:22 Palmar wrote: rofl, die scum die Are you going to do anything useful all game? | ||
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On September 21 2011 21:15 Drazerk wrote: Mafia was given safe claims it makes no sense for them to use one everyone would instantly believe is scum / third party. So you are saying it makes more sense for town to claim Balrog and lie about everything? | ||
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On September 22 2011 01:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Also I'm still looking for an answer from back when I asked your opinion on Palmar. It still looks more like his recent apathetic town play than his scum play, but at the same time if this is how he plays town these days, I'll be highly disappointed. Just stop joining games if you don't care or don't have time. If I don't take meta into account, he is obviously isn't looking townish at all. | ||
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Are you really this awful? | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:36 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Says the person who chose to day vig him the day he revealed. You should have waited for the next day at least, such that any medics could change target If there was a medic on iGrok, this raises more questions on the other two that 'survived hits' You've already repeatedly established that you are really daft, so I'm not even going to bother explaining the obvious to you | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:42 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I can't speak for him, but iIt's not about his alignment, it's about the alignment of the people pushing his lynch that I care about. I somewhat agree, but the thing is he has been beyond saving for quite a while now and bussing is the norm in TL mafia | ||
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On September 23 2011 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: What makes sense? Drazerk? And do you care to answer my question i stated before? Drazerk does yes And you are right about sandroba sort of being consistent as jeejee was modkilled (before that he found him scummy, so clearly he would have wanted to lynch/vig him next). Anyway, this still isn't townie sandroba play unless he is just extremely busy. If he was town he would by now be certain that I'm also town and he enjoys playing town with me, which likely would motivate him to post more. Extremely unconvincing reasoning for someone who doesn't know us, I admit. | ||
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On September 23 2011 02:43 kitaman27 wrote: Arwen, the Evenstar has a post restriction? Could you clarify what made it go away? I doubt he can talk about the specifics of his PR, but it's pretty likely that his protection only lasted from night 1 until day 2 ended, that is until the lynch | ||
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On September 23 2011 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: PR on a medic? How the fuck that makes sense? There have been a few games where medics have to defend the person they protect also in the thread | ||
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On October 10 2011 15:23 Mig wrote: Ok but do you have another candidate for town MVP? Even with the people practically confirmed pretty sure town would have lost without him. No, I definitely agree with him being the MVP, although if Sandroba hadn't died and had actually posted his reads, he would be more deserving | ||
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