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(though I sort of still have to read the books, where's that copy of the Fellowship I saw lying around here somewhere?) | ||
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On September 16 2011 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote: what jcarl said. Except replace scum with nazgul. Hey we should get Nazgul to play in this. Curu PM him! This. Do it. Now. | ||
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On September 17 2011 05:28 Curu wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand role PMs are all out. Game will officially start in 4 and a half hours. does this mean we can't discuss the game until then? | ||
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Frodo probably can give the ring Sam almost definitely can Aragorn possibly can And In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this. | ||
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On September 17 2011 10:35 xtfftc wrote: It's not really important as it's all speculations at the moment but I don't see Tom Bombadil as anything else but a neutral PGO who shoots at anyone who visits him apart from hobbits and Gandalf. They definitely should be. See now I don't know the lore but unless this is like a 110% perfect fit, I'd rather stay away from guessing such specific roles (especially with specific exceptions) just from lore. Even if it is a fit, maybe Curu doesn't like PGOs (paranoid gun owners if like me you had to look it up, xtfftc described the whole role though) so I really don't think we can or should try to assume these things. | ||
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On September 17 2011 11:11 OriginalName wrote: ... DIDNT YOU JUST WANT TO TRADE THE RING TO YOU. ok i see im not sure if scum or really stupid. Wait does anyone think that he was seriously trying to get the ring?? I thought it was quite clear that his original post was a joke, not just the content he makes it look joking, it really is a null tell and doesn't matter if he contradicts it, cause you know, it was a joke... | ||
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On September 17 2011 12:25 GGQ wrote: Yeah claiming VT is really sketch tbh. It's either a lie or bad play. Why is it a bad play? | ||
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Navillus, I feel as if you're pulling the noob card. This is your 6th game, you should know better than to claim day one. I looked through your older games and couldn't find any other instance where you opened the game with a claim, combined with the fact you decided to sound really angry with the random censored swears, makes me suspicious. Besides the random vote on Drazerk, who do you suspect right now? 6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.) As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me. | ||
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On September 18 2011 03:11 heist wrote: Navillus Claiming your role hours into the game is the single most suspicious thing anyone has done this game. Not only is this your very first post into the game, but you also start off with a very early vote. Let's place this in conjunction with your latest post. 1. Your original claim for voting for Drazerk is that he had no justification. Yet now you admit that you knew exactly what DrH and Drazerk were trying to do: create pressure. But you feel the need to start your game off by voting for one of them. It's a safe and easy vote at the time but now there is clear contradiction between your reasoning then and your justifications now. 2. Your entire response to people (one of whom is Drazerk) calling you out on claiming so early is troubling to me. You claim over and over to be inexperienced and you start attacking those that called you out, namely Drazerk. 3. Furthermore, your reasoning for attacking Drazerk is a little troubling. So... if I understand correctly, DrH and Drazerk do the exact same thing, but one is a vet townie and one is scummy? Based purely on how you good you think they are? You also provide additional justification in saying he attacked you. He never attacked you, he called you out for claiming VT. I can believe you made a mistake, but your reactions so far to being challenged is one that I find highly suspicious. Then why aren't you voting for me? Also I numbered you're main paragraphs for clarity Now to respond - Claiming was a mistake I've said that don't have much more to add, there wasn't any deep reason for it, just a bad decision. 1. I don't admit that I know exactly what both of them were doing, I both now and at the time believed that the original vote was pressure, I also believe that Dr. H's vote was also pressure because he adds a little and yes because he's supposedly very good, good enough to not as scum try to start a bandwagon with the second vote of the game. I don't though believe that Drazerk's vote was necessarily also pressure, he just quoted someone else and dropped his vote there, adding basically nothing. 2. I'm not attacking him for calling me out, I was attacking him before he called me out and my problem isn't that he called me out, it's that he called me out in place of actually answering my accusation 3. Yes the fact that one is a vet did factor into my thoughts, but also as I said Dr. H didn't just quote chaoser and go on his way, Drazerk did. And again, it's not that he attacked me or called me out that's suspicious it's that he ignored the original accusation and attacked, or called out, or whatevered me instead, that serves to both divert attention from him and to attempt to discredit his accuser without actually responding. | ||
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On September 18 2011 06:40 Ciryandor wrote: Also, prplhz is a good guy but maybe he's not, scum might all vote together, but maybe they won't, And splitting the vote into two candidates might be bad, but maybe not. And Rayne is suspicious, but also he's not. What I read | ||
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On September 18 2011 10:00 JeeJee wrote: ##vote:jeejee The shadow is my friend. ![[image loading]](http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/jpg/misc-jackie-chan.jpg) | ||
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On September 18 2011 10:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: I agree with you that there's almost definitely no post restriction. Notice how his posts went from all saying "gimme the ring", and now they aren't. I may be missing a pattern, but I don't think he's following restrictions. Also, @chaoser: Let me clarify "somewhat large leap". I took "leaning town" to mean "I'm going to put them aside for now, and look for others." That didn't sit right with me because I don't feel comfortable with the bandwagon/town pressuring (however you want to see it) of grey. Ehh it still might be a restriction, he could just be required to post it a certain number of times | ||
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On September 18 2011 11:14 OriginalName wrote: 1.This means jackshit, Curu explcitly stated that all scums have a safeclaim. 2.Does the exact same thing as drazerk does, fairly self explanitory. Its like your trying to start a bandwagon. 3.Why defend him like this, just because he claims it was a joke at the time doesnt it mean it nessicarily does. He basically went "Ok guys gimmie the ring" then once people were like "wtf are you retarded or scum or some shits" then hes like naw JK. I mean really the only time your at all connected to him is this post and desite people being suspicious you have not given your thoughts into at all, all youve done really is talk about the ring and tunnel drazerk for borderline silly reasons. 4.Dont bullshit noobcard me. at this point goes, "Oh he can do it but this person cannot because clearly this person is clearly beneath me and we should totally completely lynch him amirite? 5.Care to explain more into this navillus. FOS Navillus 1. That's why I didn't bother to give it originally, I just gave it in response to supersoft 2. Well that's because I did want a wagon because, you know, I thought and think that he is scum. The difference is that 1. I also wanted to force a response to get a further read on him, which I did, this further read made my suspicions stronger. 2. I was basing my vote off of what I perccieve to be pretty scummy actions he didn't even give his own reason for his vote, he just quoted someone, also Greymists original post did not look nearly scummy enough to drop a third vote on and try to start a bandwagon from which leads me to 3. It looked like a joke in the original post I feel our best course of action day one has got to be to have whoever is in possession of the One Ring to come out of hiding and give it to me. I'll take good care of it. This looks very much like a joke, I actually don't have much to add, if you can't identify when someone is joking and at the very least when someone obviously isn't actually pushing for something I don't know what I can say to convince you. I'll take good care of it. Does this really look like he thought there was any possibility of the ringbearer actually just handing it over based on this point??? And again my thoughts on him are that he was joking, if I think that, then there's not much for me to add. 4. I never said that Drazerk was beneath me, please don't put stupid words in my mouth it actually makes me angry. I compared him to Dr. H, and I also compared their actions which you neglected to mention. 5. And THIS is why we don't just filter people's posts and analyze them based on that, if you could have been bothered to actually read the thread you would see that that made perfect sense in context, I will not baby you and explain things that you should have read yourself, go back and read the whole thread please, THEN respond to this. Finally, I have a question for you, you just spent probably a decent amount of time filtering my posts and writing this up, if you think ALL these things reflect badly on me then... why no vote? Don't worry I won't be offended, but seriously do you or do you not think that I'm scum, a FOS is a whimpy way of accusing me without having to take any responsibility, if you think I'm scum please I want you to vote for me. | ||
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On September 18 2011 12:20 OriginalName wrote: I meant that Drazerk was beneath DrH, not you. Ahh then I'm sorry for the tone of that, well to that I'll say that again what they said was different, the fact that he was dropping a third vote with no justification made him stand out, and his responses have not helped him while Dr. H has acted in my eyes fairly townie. | ||
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##Vote pphlz Ciryandor has done nice little soft defends of him at least twice now, the first time saying that pphlz is a "good guy" the second he tries to use his inactive lynch idea to divert attention specifically from pphlz, so I say we lynch pphlz, then if he flips red we've got another definite red in Ciryandor. | ||
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On September 19 2011 01:13 kitaman27 wrote: prplhz hasn't really stood out to me one way or another. He used his first few posts to talk about flavor, but so has half the other players in the game. The only thing that gives me bad vibes is that when he posted his list of candidates, he included nav based on others arguments rather than sharing his own opinion. nav opened the game with that "rage" vt role claim, but then he followed up with his name claim, which I'm not sure scum would so willingly give up. I don't like the fact that he is trying to show that he is bad at the game, however. To be honest, this post right above me might be his biggest fault. The fact that he spends an entire post about Ciryandor and then manages to squeeze a prplhz vote right in the middle without giving a reason other than "I can't get him lynched". TranceStorm is guilty for the same thing a few posts earlier. chaoser, what is your opinion on nav? Are you still sticking to prplhz? JeeJee and Radfield dropping off the face of the earth makes me uneasy and Erandorr, I'd like to hear more of your opinion rather than you asking others for theirs. Well to clarify I squeezed the prplhz vote for a few reasons, first I don't like either of the other major candidates -especially Jackal but more on that in a sec- but I also don't want to vote for a candidate that has no shot at getting lynched, as I pointed out that's a pretty scummy thing to do and more importantly gives no help to the town. So that's my reason 1. Then I actually think that he's a good candidate he has been acting very scummy, basically what everyone else who voted for him said. So that's reason 2. Also, though this is smaller, he's one of the votes on Jackal and I just think that whole wagon is very suspicious, Jackal has generally been lurking and acting no different from a few other lurkers, but a wagon just seemed to appear on him, this is a wagon that scum would really want because it's a lurker lynch which is easy for them to go on and Jackal if he's town is someone they'd want particularly out of the way (also I just realized his other vote was on Dr. H, talk about going after vets) So that's my smaller reason 3. Finally Reason 4 which was my explicit one is that I'm getting very suspicious of Ciryandor and he's linked nicely to pplhz so that actually works out great, I lynch my biggest target, stay within the main candidates so scum cant throw the vote in random directions, AND get specific info on someone I'm quite suspicious of. On September 19 2011 01:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yeah navi, it was something I was going to bring up later on. Seems as if he's just trying to not take a stance and avoid offending anyone. Those who's votes are not on the main lynch candidates need to get them on the (at least) 3 main targets. The more scattered the votes are, the more beneficial for the scum. It looks like WBG, prpl, and jackal are the front runners. It worries me how quickly the votes for jackal piled up, although he was inactive until recently. So cyber, JeeJee, GGQ, drh, cir...could you put your votes in a place where they will be useful? Now that I think about it, we haven't ears for drh or radfield in a while. Yeah so I just want to emphasize again, jackal's vote is very weird, I would look hard at everyone that jumped on him so quickly. | ||
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On September 19 2011 01:54 Ciryandor wrote: You know what, if prplhz gets lynched today, I'm definitely voting Nav for being a blathering senile dwarf with more delusions of grandeur than common sense who's tunneling on me straight through Moria for trying to feel out people on Day 1. Getting people off their asses and fishing for reactions should be our Day 1 goal, NOT giving some schmuck who barely scrapes by the anti-lurker guidelines a free pass to winning the game as a deadweight scum or hanging by the coat-tails townie, while the people who are yakking it up and that we have more of a profile of on their desirability for town get targeted just because they're non-committal or obnoxiously loud. Sorry for the triple post but just saw this too. First I'm an elf not a dwarf. Second this is just confirming my suspicions more and more, I FOS him and he jumps on me with a really REALLy angry OMGUS. And third, please stay civil, if you are town (something I'm doubting more and more by the second) then you really shouldn't be essentially trying to start a fight, making things personal only helps scum. | ||
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On September 19 2011 03:01 Mig wrote: Updated Day 1 Votecount Greymist Drazerk Navillus TranceStorm Cyber_cheese wherebugsgo DoctorHelvetica Drazerk iGrok Pyo Jackal58 Erandorr prplhz chaoser Greymist raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv navillus iGrok GGQ Archon_Toilet DoctorHelvetica JeeJee JeeJee GGQ Archon_Toilet wherebugsgo Jackal58 syllogism heist prplhz ciryandor About 5 hours left in the day. WBG in the lead with 6 votes Oh woops I forgot to unvote drazerk, fixed now. | ||
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On September 19 2011 02:37 Ciryandor wrote: Conversely, if none of their posts and their connections point to lurkers, what happens to these lurkers? We are left completely in the dark to their choices and motives then. What can be achieved by winnowing out the chaff is that lynching one active guy in a later day yields much much more information regarding them than lynching them on Day 1 would have been. Simply put, more activity equals more material to work with, and the easier to unravel the patterns and connections that everyone would have with one another without us losing more townies than absolutely necessary to the lynch or night shots. Just think about it, a scum-team with a mix of active and inactive players can exploit silent townies who have no idea where to go or target by sacrificing them late in the game as potential scum while they can focus on killing off power roles. Forcing all of them to be active deprives them of one level of camouflage and forces them to either expose their gameplan or cover their tracks. Both yield information on who we have to end up killing. And don't tell me I'm being personal, Navi started it by poking at my non-committal Day 1 play-style because he thought it was too indecisive. So the first problem here is that you're assuming that we can just stop all lurking from lynching a lurker day1, that's just false lurkers gonna lurk, it's a fact of life, sure you might be able to get it to lower degrees by lynching one or two, of course by then we've lynched a couple townies have no good scum reads and have nearly lost. You don't waste lynches on policy or information, you lynch scum. When you do lynch for inactivity scum will not get hit. Ever. Because you have no idea which inactive to lynch and scum will point you to a town one, preferably a townie that will be useful to town later i.e. Jackal. Additionally how do we know when we've stopped them from lurking? You do this and the scum will stop lurking but we'll be ignoring the scummy things they say because we'll keep lynching that people that still are lurking, that is, townies. We should be just going for the scummy things we have now... you and prplhz. Finally I didn't start anything I was calling you out for being indecisive which looked and looks scummy I was not calling you a blathering senile dwarf with more delusions of grandeur than common sense or a elf with a hard-on for dwarven quarrying every moment you do so In short, you and prplhz need to die. | ||
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On September 19 2011 03:10 jcarlsoniv wrote: EBWOP: navi, you ninja voted under my nose lol I think I posted it in thread, I forgot to unvote drazerk but I fixed it now :\ | ||
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Also ciryandor and WBG himself need to vote, just so it doesn't look like i skipped them on purpose | ||
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heck I'm even hitting that little round arrow to refresh PLEASSSE | ||
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can we lynch prplhz now? | ||
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for you... time to die | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:33 prplhz wrote: dude noone is good in their first game just do your best. i bet you're putting in more effort into this game than 2/3 of everybody else. come on man. way to be totally fucking useless. you policy vote on a guy because you don't like him, what the fuck. you're ruining the game 100 times more than he is with your whining and calling for replacement. one's a miracle, the other's a disaster. also i didn't get anything from the encoded string from caesar or from vigenere with random lotr related words. Sadly this is much more than my first game, I just never seem to join at good times (or I'm just really busy and should stop trying in general). | ||
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