Lord of the Rings Mafia

On September 14 2011 06:10 Lanaia wrote:
I want to in, but school just started and all. And I'm already swamped! (How does that even happen).

Looks like it'll be an awesome game!

On September 17 2011 13:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
I want the ring.

On September 17 2011 14:30 wherebugsgo wrote:


none as much as me.

On September 17 2011 14:38 wherebugsgo wrote:


Yes. I am Sauron.

On September 17 2011 14:42 GreYMisT wrote:


Promises of power and land I would imagine.

On September 17 2011 23:16 syllogism wrote:

Jackal is currently on top of my suspicion list, mostly due to being around last night while not saying anything useful at all. However, I don't think the above looks like a conversation between scum buddies. WBG's play makes very little sense regardless of his alignment, though a third party makes most sense.

On September 17 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote:


So comment on something else. There are enough posts by this point that you can generate some productive discussion by scumhunting and analyzing. We've got at least ten pages of constant posting, so go through that and find some scum instead of complaining when you are rightfully called out for not contributing.

On September 18 2011 00:00 chaos13 wrote:


Already discussed it. VI or Jester. Agree?

On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote:
Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players.

On September 18 2011 02:39 Jackal58 wrote:
And it they're both townies what does that tell us?

On September 19 2011 04:34 prplhz wrote:
i voted for jackal because he is a dude who is supposed to be doing a lot better than he is right now. i think town isn't doing too great and i kinda miss some vocal veteran who can try to get something cool going 'cause i'm not doing a very good job even though i tried with the drh lynch. jack is a dude who can do this but he's just sitting there and watching everything burn, wbg and some other's were up for lynching but i didn't find them very likely to be scum. also it doesn't make too much sense to pressure vote a guy who talks insanity (wbg) 'cause he's already talking and he's not making sense. wbg is clearly better to keep in this game than jackal, 'cause we have plenty of vets who aren't saying much but we only have one crazy ring hungry guy. jack needs to say something and he needs to do something good for town 'cause i know he's able to do this.

@ON
are you insane? no i don't have the ability to kill two random players instantly if they don't post enough for my liking, what the fuck?

On September 19 2011 03:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jackal is additionally suspicious because he says he knows how I play yet he seems to have completely forgotten my appearance in Ace's game.

I was hella scummy in Ace's game and I fucking flipped medic. I have my own reasons for WHAT I do, but that doesn't make me scum.

On September 19 2011 05:18 prplhz wrote:
jackal, i don't have that kind of meta with you, i just know that you're a veteran and i think it's very often better to pressure a veteran to do sensible things that pressure a noob, 'cause a noob will most likely just dig a deeper hole for himself (hi, i'm prplhz, and since i started talking the votes have been piling up on me)

i like the erandorr analysis even though i think you're missing that scum we're most likely just sitting back enjoying the show while wbg shat the thread up. i have no idea who erandorr is and i'm having a hard time forming an opinion on him, i'm leaning town but as it is right now i'll have to vote to stay alive.

i think vain and chaoser are acting pretty weird right now, chaoser was on my back earlier and now he's suddenly on supersoft's back with a weak case looks like he's trying to distance himself from me

On September 19 2011 05:51 syllogism wrote:
I don't think Jackal lynch is happening, and at least he is now around posting his thoughts. Jackal if you are town you need to stop fixating on WBG as lynching is generally a bad method for disposing third parties when they aren't bullet proof. If he is a third party he could of course be lying about a number of things, but his behaviour so far makes slightly more sense in the context of him being a role who only has to find the ring.

##unvote
##vote Erandorr

On September 19 2011 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:


What makes you think that if WBG gets the ring, he and the ring will leave the game?

Let's just say I have a rather...personal interest in this.

On September 19 2011 06:55 Radfield wrote:



We have tons of time left. Decide who you think is most scummy, nothing less.




This is where we disagree. I would much rather mislynch a townie day 1 then kill a third party. I care ~1% about a third party(even a SK) at this point in the game, and even successfully lynching him tells us absolutely nothing about the mafia. Town should be looking for scum, why are you so desperate to find a third party?

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 19 2011 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:


I did not lose it for town in Ace's game. I fucking protted a vig from a shot, then I role blocked the scum vig.

You relied too much on your DT power which failed you miserably when you weren't willing to listen to reason. I even gave you a massive lead on Palmar, but you blew it because you relied on being a DT too much. Try to think your reads out rather than blame people. You need to listen to reason now. And since you're not reasoning, I suspect you're mafia.

Finally, you haven't read the OP. No one can give me the ring right now! I've trapped all of you shitty posters with this, no one can give me the ring till night. So, fuck off and die.

I missed the fucking vote. God fucking damn.

You guys should've voted Jackal, the case on Erandor was terrible.

On September 19 2011 08:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
How the FUCK did you miss the vote. You've been active this entire time.

On September 19 2011 09:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think the case on Jackal is still pretty strong. We should consider lynching him tomorrow.

Other people who stand out to me are Drazerk and Dr. H.

Palmar still needs to post more, I think I saw a couple by him but he doesn't normally lurk this much.

Sandroba will hopefully have internet tomorrow and will be able to weigh in on all of this. It's not a very good idea to lynch either of them unless they begin showing signs of harboring a scum agenda.

On September 19 2011 10:06 TranceStorm wrote:

I would like to know why you said that as well Jackal. Did you not read the OP or something?

On September 19 2011 10:12 wherebugsgo wrote:


No, I'm saying scum were already voting me.

Jackal tried making up a reason to vote me and it failed pretty hard.

On September 20 2011 18:10 Pyo wrote:
Just caught up with the thread. My comments/responses so far...

WBG was predictably lying about his claim, although I guess it was too ridiculous for anyone other than Palmar to have been claiming a role/post restriction like that as scum.

Speaking of Palmar, I find his lack of participation in the thread to be very curious... I've played 3 games with him, one with him as mafia, one with him as an 3rd party and one with him as town and in all 3 he was in everyone's face about everything... Basically, what I'm trying to say is that he's out of character independent of his alignment, so his odd behavior is kind of a NULL tell.

I'm a little suspicious of radfield to be honest his analysis seems too good and too "correct." I'm mostly referring to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11445752, but others as well. I won't advocate lynching him in case he really is that good (mafia will likely kill him soon if he's actually town), but I'd warn against reading too much into his assertion that people who stuck with their day 1 votes are automatically more scummy than the people that switched... feels like a convenient way for scum to sheep votes onto people. (Note, I'm town and I kept my vote on bugs because I felt like he was lying/being deceptive about his role claim/posting restriction... which he was)

And to respond to ON (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&currentpage=41#814: bugs most certainly did indirectly claim his role in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&currentpage=17#331


If that's not claiming, I don't know what is. Obviously, at the time I had no idea that Dr. H was scum... not sure what to make of bugs now - if it even matters.

On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:


In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away.

btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it.

We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly.

chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita...

On September 20 2011 17:30 iGrok wrote:
Give me the ring.

On September 17 2011 09:19 heist wrote:
To be honest, any talk of neutral factions is kind of pointless at this point. We have no idea what they are capable of even if they exist, and quite frankly even if there are 3rd parties, we should be focusing on scum, and scum only, right now. So please no more talk about which LOTR might be neutral aligned.

But while I'm on the topic of pure speculation, I believe the ring belongs to someone in the town or a neutral faction. It seems to make sense balance-wise and lore-wise. It starts off with the hobbits, a good faction. Sadly any game with items seems to get sidetracked into pointless discussion. For now, if you have the ring, congrats. Don't give it up and don't reveal yourself.

Nice bandwagon you got started there chaoser. I don't agree with it but hey, pressure is pressure.

On September 18 2011 02:35 heist wrote:






These kind of posts are exactly what we can't allow to just slide by. You are just posting aggressive little one-liners that aren't exactly contributing much to town discussion. If you disagree with someone, I would ask that you flesh out your ideas more and provide your thoughts on specific players.
Most of his posts prior to this were also 1 liners.
As a side note, the reason we want at least two majority candidates is it forces everyone to make a choice. If we have just one easy target everyone votes for, we will gain absolutely no information based on the lynch since everyone voted the same. Being forced to choose creates liability and patterns will start to emerge that can be worked with. If the situation is 1 townie and 1 scum on the chopping block, and the mafia try to swing majority votes for the townie, that's a lot of information that we can use.

On September 18 2011 03:14 heist wrote:


It's none worse in having two townies closely leading the vote and one townie a clear frontrunner. Obviously it's not the ideal situation to find oneself in and that's why we all work tirelessly to make sure this doesn't happen. If two townies are leading the votes, town is doing something wrong.

On September 18 2011 19:31 heist wrote:
Gone the entire day and just found out I forgot to place my vote on Navillus. Oh well. I no longer feel like he's scum based on his subsequent responses, just a townie with some bad decisions.

WBG, DrH, and Drazerk are terrible lynches right now. WBG is definitely the easy lynch right now and most likely NOT SCUM. DrH is arguably one of the most active and most town player we have right now. Frankly, the justifications for Drazerk are weak, really really weak.

However without much better alternative, I'm liking Syllogism's plan for now. No more lurking from those that could be such an asset to the town. I will go ahead and double that pressure.

##Vote: Jackal58

On September 19 2011 05:58 heist wrote:
The case against Erandorr is better than against you, prplhz. Different mindsets, but I'd rather we lynch you or Erandorr than someone whom we all believe isn't mafia (WBG). The last thing I want is enough people switching their votes from you to Erandorr to place WBG in the lead for the lynch. If enough people switch over, I'll be sure to check back in at least once (hopefully) before the end of day to make the switch.

On September 21 2011 01:36 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand what's going on with this cipher. Assuming the intention isn't just to mislead, there is no reason to voluntarily post an anonymous message in code, especially something that short. Thus if we assume the source of the message is a townie, it would have to be some sort of information role result. If that is the case, obviously the role has to have a posting restriction that prohibits him from talking about it, or perhaps simply doesn't know how to solve it either. The message structure and word length indicates the message could say [player X] is [alignment]. However, the first word is 6 letters long and none of the names match if it's a substitution cipher. Similarly replacing the last four letters with TOWN or SCUM doesn't get you anywhere, as doesn't replacing the two letter word with 'is'.

On September 21 2011 07:16 TranceStorm wrote:
Besides the the apparent scumminess of iGrok / Jackal, a player that has seemed to slip right through the cracks to me has been supersoft.

On September 19 2011 05:58 heist wrote:
The case against Erandorr is better than against you, prplhz. Different mindsets, but I'd rather we lynch you or Erandorr than someone whom we all believe isn't mafia (WBG). The last thing I want is enough people switching their votes from you to Erandorr to place WBG in the lead for the lynch. If enough people switch over, I'll be sure to check back in at least once (hopefully) before the end of day to make the switch.

On September 21 2011 06:30 heist wrote:
5. Yeah because I totally knew both were townies. I had no good scum reads day 1. I made it abundantly clear that my priority for lynching was purely based on who could most likely be mafia, not who is most likely not town from the leading candidates.

On September 21 2011 11:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Why on earth should town consider giving you the ring? Assuming your claim is true, why should we care whether you are bulletproof or not? You don't share the town win condition, so if push comes to shove, you'll side with mafia late game. If they want to kill you at night, then that's no loss to town. In fact, that would be ideal for town.

How about we don't give you the ring and you still submit to our Maia and nightkill targets?

Also, if all non-town are given safe claims, what was the safe claim given to you that you can guarantee is not part of the game?

On September 22 2011 01:10 Radfield wrote:



The problem is there is no impetus for scum to claim third party. Why not just claim town power role, as that is far easier to pull off. Not to mention that towns absolutely LOVE piling on a confirmed third party.

Buying himself an extra day is possible, but if that's his strategy then this is a terrible way to do it.

Here's the thing, if iGrok was confirmed Third Party, we would absolutely NOT be lynching him. Thing is, this is a totally bullshit claim, and nothing stacks up in that claim.

One thing is for certain, iGrok is certainly not town as no townie would ever make that claim. If no one is willing to back me on Jackal(or Pyo) then we should bring the hammer down on iGrok.

On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:


I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him).

This part got me convinced:



I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!".

What about you?

On September 18 2011 21:44 Jackal58 wrote:
Then I suppose it's time for a paradigm shift Mr. jcarlsoniv.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)

On September 22 2011 03:57 chaoser wrote:


I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't.

On September 19 2011 08:41 Jackal58 wrote:
You're about as much fun to play with as a burning bag of catshit.

Replace me Curu.

On September 22 2011 06:06 OriginalName wrote:
Im down for lynching one of those two but I havent decided which one I want to move to yet.

I still think Pyo is a decent lynch but I agree that vote spreading can be detremental at this point.

Radfield purely out of curiousity why Jackal over Palmar?

On September 22 2011 04:33 chaoser wrote:




Don't try to use your asking for a replacement as some sort of "town cred" bullshit. I already called chaos13 out on it, don't you do it too.